[05:10] <xu-help53w> hi
[05:11] <xu-help53w> I need help regarding to xubuntu
[05:14] <xu-help53w> Currently i am using windows 10 64 ,I want to replace it with xubuntu and use alternate softwares in it ,like libre office,Kdenlive.Is it possible in xubuntu to use it ?
[05:15] <xu-help53w> currently i am using win 10 64 bit.
[05:49] <Andrio> xu-help53w, sure?
[05:49] <Andrio> I don't see why not
[06:27] <pmjdebruijn> xu-help53w: you can run xubuntu from a live cd, without replacing your windows install immediately, I highly recommend playing around in the live cd environment first, to get a "feel" of things
[06:36] <diogenes_> xu-help53w, for a quick look winthout even having the need to install it on a ISB stick, just try it out right in your browser by clicking start: https://distrotest.net/Xubuntu
[07:26] <xu-help53w> with live cd I can use/test  the said software  i.e  Kdenlive
[07:31] <pmjdebruijn> you'll have to install it first, but given enough RAM sure... though given you'll be working with fairly large files and such. performance will probably not be great on the live cd
[11:05] <DarkTrick> Hello
[11:06] <DarkTrick> I'm experiencing rather regular session crashes ( system goes back to login screen) since upgrading to 20.04
[11:08] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, look in .xfce4-session.verbose-log .xsession-errors journalctl -xb
[11:08] <DarkTrick> Maybe someone can make some sense off of the log files? apport.log: https://pastebin.com/qW9VQt3r  syslog: https://pastebin.com/EfEKMgDM authlog: https://pastebin.com/cgDSX9Sh  crash happened at 19:59
[11:10] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, where are those located?
[11:11] <diogenes_> in /home/use show hidden
[11:12] <diogenes_> also pam_kwallet.so? do do you have KDE too or KDE services enabled in session and startup advanced?
[11:12] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, no .xfce4-session.verbose-log present. only .xsession-errors
[11:13] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, @KDE: not knowingly
[11:14] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, checked session and startup: no
[11:15] <DarkTrick> xsession-errors looks like something: https://pastebin.com/4Ck8pnY5
[11:15] <diogenes_> well id suggest you create a new user and see if it crashes too.
[11:24] <diogenes_> but you have some KDE apps installed.
[11:25] <DarkTrick> yes I do
[11:25] <DarkTrick> but no services or the DE
[11:26] <diogenes_> well that app is looking for KDE services.
[11:27] <DarkTrick> journal -xb sounds like something is wrong wit xfce4-notifyd (?) https://pastebin.com/djqm2Ziy
[11:27] <DarkTrick> diogenes_, which app?
[11:31] <diogenes_> DarkTrick, no clue which app is that maybe dolphin but ok, if you want, try a new user.
[11:33] <DarkTrick> diogenes_: where did you look for finding the KDE info?
[11:33] <DarkTrick> and why would a user-app crash the whole system? shouldnt like... the kernel prevent that?
[11:51] <brainwash> DarkTrick: "apport: report /var/crash/_usr_lib_xorg_Xorg.0.crash already exists and unseen, doing nothing to avoid disk usage DoS"
[11:52] <xu-irc28w> hi! can anyone maybe tell, when the upgrade from 18.04.5 lts to 20.04.1 lts will probably be enabled? still not getting any notice :(  thanks a lot!
[11:54] <DarkTrick> brainwash, that tells me, that a crash file should've been created, but it wasnt, because the file was already there?
[11:54] <brainwash> right
[11:55] <brainwash> either open and analysis the crash dump manually, or run "ubuntu-bug /var/crash/_usr_lib_xorg_Xorg.0.crash"
[11:55] <brainwash> launchpad may reject the file though
[11:57] <brainwash> xu-irc28w: I guess no one knows
[11:57] <brainwash> xu-irc28w: https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/08/ubuntu-20-04-upgrade-notification-delay
[11:59] <xu-irc28w> brainwash thx!
[14:37] <DarkTrick> brainwash: Thank you for the hint!
[18:46] <Exterminador> so,  I'm using an AZERTY keyboard (French layout) and in Windows I can type `Ã` using AltGr
[18:46] <Exterminador> so,  I'm using an AZERTY keyboard (French layout) and in Windows I can type `Ã` using AltGr+2 but not in Xubuntu. any ideas?
[18:50] <Exterminador> unfortunately I'm tied to that keyboard layout (I'm a Portuguese working and living in France). in order to type certain characters, I need to open the character map and search for them
[19:12] <Exterminador> I've tried to reconfigure the keyboard and make AltGr as compose-key but seems to have no effect
[19:14] <diogenes_> Exterminador, run: ls ~/.config/autostart | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:14] <diogenes_> share the url
[19:15] <Exterminador> as root or normal user?
[19:15] <diogenes_> user
[19:16] <Exterminador> as normal user says: ls: cannot access '/home/vitor/.config/autostart': No such file or directory
[19:17] <diogenes_> that's unheard of.
[19:17] <diogenes_> something is messed up on your syste.
[19:18] <Exterminador> it's a new install from 3 days ago, more or less
[19:21] <diogenes_> even on new install there is always ls ~/.config/autostart
[19:21] <Exterminador> nonetheless I have the exact same issue in a laptop that had as
[19:21] <Exterminador> 1st install Xubuntu 18.04
[19:23] <Exterminador> I can't type some latin chars like Ã and ã normally
[19:25] <Exterminador> on the old laptop there's no ~/.config/autostart eiter
[19:27] <diogenes_> then it's tweaked and tainted because ls ~/.config/autostart should be there.
[19:28] <Exterminador> all the images have been downloaded from the official Xubuntu website and I did not installed any third party stuff
[19:31] <Exterminador> and all the installations completed w/o further errors except for the onboard keyboard on 1st launch
[19:32] <Exterminador> I can reinstall Xubuntu, but I dont't think it would make any difference
[19:34] <diogenes_> Exterminador, ok go to settings > session and startup > application autostart
[19:35] <Exterminador> there are a few applications there
[19:36] <diogenes_> is im-launch enabled?
[19:38] <Exterminador> yep, it is
[19:40] <diogenes_> ok wait a sec let me check something out.
[19:41] <Exterminador> after uncheck and recheck all the programs that were checked, .config/autostart gets populated
[19:41] <diogenes_> yeah i got it now how it works, it only gets populated after you add/remove something from the default list.
[19:42] <Exterminador> I've been trying to "solve" this keyboard issue for some time already
[19:43] <Exterminador> unfortunately I alaways ended up in failure
[19:45] <diogenes_> Exterminador, ok run this: cat /etc/default/keyboard | nc termbin.com 9999
[19:46] <diogenes_> share the url
[19:46] <Exterminador> https://termbin.com/i7kf
[19:48] <diogenes_> so the main problem is that you cannot type characters as Ã?
[19:50] <Exterminador> well, basically yes. French has support for chars like ç, é, è.. but not ã and á as example
[19:50] <Exterminador> and those are kinda important in Portuguese
[19:50] <Exterminador> and widely used in sentences
[19:51] <diogenes_> so in windows you pick French and it can type ã and á, on Xubuntu you pick French and it doesn't type ã and á?
[19:52] <Exterminador> basically, yes, that's the issue
[19:54] <Exterminador> in Xubuntu I need to open the character map or use `Ctrl+Shift+U` followed of the unicode 00C3 for Ã and 00E3 for ã
[19:54] <Exterminador> as example
[19:55] <Exterminador> in Portuguese, to type á, you'd use (using my actual keyboard layout) AltGr+3+a
[19:56] <Exterminador> I could try to install the Portuguese language in the system and see if it would work?
[19:57] <Exterminador> although, as french falls into the Latin alphabet it should support those special chars out-of-the-box
[20:03] <diogenes_> Exterminador, see this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/358/how-can-i-type-accented-characters-like-%C3%AB
[20:12] <Exterminador> I've tried the compose key, as I've stated above. but the French keyboard layout by default is `Shit+2` inputs number 3. `AltGr+2` inputs the ~ directly and `3` inputs " on its own
[20:12] <Exterminador> so, it doesn't work for me
[20:12] <Exterminador> s/number 3/number 2/
[20:18] <Exterminador> it does work for everything except Ãã
[20:20] <diogenes_> Exterminador, use French (no dead keys) then composekey + shift + ~ + e
[20:21] <diogenes_> Ẽ ) see zorks for ,e
[20:21] <diogenes_> dammit
[20:21] <diogenes_> works for me
[20:21] <Exterminador> let me try it then
[20:21] <Exterminador> what about Ã?
[20:23] <diogenes_> Ã - with English keyboard
[20:23] <diogenes_> Ã ) with French (nod ead keys) woks too
[20:26] <Exterminador> doesn't work for me..
[20:27] <diogenes_> so basically, you need to: 1) set layout with french (no dead keys) 2) (i setup Left CTRL as compose key) press simultaneously: LCtrl + Shift + ~ then after a milisecond press e or a
[20:27] <diogenes_> Ẽ
[20:27] <diogenes_> Ã
[20:27] <diogenes_> ẽ
[20:27] <diogenes_> ã
[20:27] <diogenes_> works perfectly well just need some training :)
[20:29] <Exterminador> well, the Ã and ã doesn't work for me
[20:30] <Exterminador> I guess I'll need to use ā instead
[20:30] <diogenes_> a is q on a qwerty keyboard.
[20:30] <Exterminador> I'm using an azerty one
[20:30] <Exterminador> so, yes. a=q
[20:31] <diogenes_> ok it works here then it should work for you too, tey to disable im-launch from startup and reboot because it sometimes interferes.
[20:31] <diogenes_> try*
[20:33] <Exterminador> will do and retry
[20:37] <Exterminador> well, seems that it still doesn't work for Ãã.. that's something I need to learn to live with
[20:38] <Exterminador> diogenes_: thanks for the help anyway :)
[20:38] <diogenes_> ã
[20:38] <diogenes_> try English keyboard
[20:38] <diogenes_> Ã
[20:39] <Exterminador> I don't have one. it's a French one and it's AZERTY
[20:40] <diogenes_> so if it work for English layout then you can easily switch between them, doesn't matter that it's Frensh, you can still use English A instead of q
[20:41] <Exterminador> I think it's because of how the keyboards are made. they have 3 functions in just one key.. as example, number 3 is 3, ", #
[20:41] <Exterminador> most of keyboards have only two functions
[20:44] <Exterminador> when I try compose key + shift + ~ + a, the a isn't "printed" unless I hit it a second time
[20:44] <diogenes_> what's the compose key?
[20:46] <Exterminador> in my case, it's the Windows logo
[20:46] <diogenes_> Exterminador, wait i might have found another workaround
[20:46] <Exterminador> I'm all eyes :)
[20:51]  * Exterminador phone, brb
[20:57] <diogenes_> Exterminador, ok ping me when you're back.
[20:57] <Exterminador> diogenes_: just got back
[20:58] <Exterminador> perfect timing
[20:58] <diogenes_> Exterminador, go to keyboard > application shortcuts
[20:59] <Exterminador> yes?
[20:59] <diogenes_> now first open the terminal and run: sudo apt install xdotool
[21:00] <Exterminador> done
[21:00] <diogenes_> now in application shortcuts click add
[21:00] <Exterminador> done
[21:00] <diogenes_> command: sh -c "sleep 1; xdotool type 'ã'"
[21:01] <diogenes_> pick your key combination
[21:01] <diogenes_> ok
[21:04] <diogenes_> so?
[21:13] <Exterminador> hum
[21:13] <Exterminador> seems to work..
[21:14] <diogenes_> Exterminador, you can even minimize the delay with: sleep 0.3
[21:15] <diogenes_> also setup the key combinations for any other characters you have troubles with.
[21:24] <Exterminador> wow
[21:24] <Exterminador> ãÃ
[21:25] <Exterminador> works good :D
[21:25] <diogenes_> nice
[21:25] <Exterminador> diogenes_: tks a lot dude
[21:25] <Exterminador> this will solve most of my typing problems from this keyboard
[21:25] <diogenes_> you're welcome