| Unit193 | It'd also be a bit nice if one could set DISTRIBUTOR or so, Ubuntu has http://paste.openstack.org/show/oZg7qNqZxdfsv8lXNevK but that'd be nice to have the option to set Ubuntu, Debian, etc. | 00:28 |
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| bluesabre | jphilips: scheduled for tomorrow at 22:00 UTC. | 01:20 |
| Unit193 | \o/ | 01:22 |
| Unit193 | Hold up, FF just hit?! | 09:30 |
| RikMills | yes | 09:45 |
| Unit193 | I haven't looked at the schedule in months since it's not on the wiki, I guess it sneaks up on you. | 09:47 |
| ochosi | Unit193: a-ha, i wasn't aware of X-GNOME-Gettext-Domain (i'm also not really the desktop file expert) | 10:00 |
| ochosi | Unit193: what is distributor used for in practice? | 10:00 |
| ochosi | ideally create a MR based on that patch so we can discuss it on gitlab | 10:01 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libxfce4util_4.15.3-1.html | 10:15 |
| Unit193 | ochosi: I don't know, I see glib handles it in Debian for X-Debian, and I have seen several Ubuntu ones use that too. There's been a patch in libxfce4util since forever for that. | 10:16 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yay! | 10:20 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: and yeah, I've been working non-stop day and night basically since COVID started, and missed that FF was here :\ | 10:24 |
| Unit193 | Urgh, condolences.. :/ | 10:27 |
| Unit193 | Kind of gathered you were very busy though. | 10:27 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Soooo...Tempted to slip in glade with that too... Not entirely sure that needs it's own package, but it's still used yes? | 10:39 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: yes! | 10:39 |
| Unit193 | Meh, pulls in webkit/etc. So yeah maybe still an extra package. | 10:42 |
| ochosi | as i said, please submit the existing patch in a MR | 10:52 |
| ochosi | that would already help | 10:52 |
| Unit193 | I mean...It's not fit for upstream as-is, soo... | 10:53 |
| ochosi | it could still start the discussion | 10:53 |
| ochosi | or submit an issue | 10:53 |
| ochosi | but only irc is sometimes not enough | 10:53 |
| ochosi | unless i end up doing the thing myself | 10:53 |
| Unit193 | Issue would seem better at least, though just figured I'd ask. :) | 10:58 |
| ochosi | sure, one can always try | 11:03 |
| Unit193 | "Nah that doesn't seem too upstream worthy" "OK!" :) | 11:05 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Yatzee! | 11:06 |
| Unit193 | (...Or the proper spelling.) | 11:06 |
| Unit193 | ...So I'm going to end up with one package with delta, for myself only too. >_< | 11:16 |
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| jphilips | bluesabre: thanks. look forward to it tonight | 15:52 |
| pleia2 | updated the team calendar for it too (just moved the one from the 11th that didn't happen) | 16:07 |
| ochosi | thanks, i was just wondering why i didnt see the meeting in my calendar | 20:52 |
| ochosi | is it in a few mins? | 20:52 |
| pleia2 | in an hour | 20:52 |
| ochosi | (sry, i actually still dont see it in my calendar...) | 20:52 |
| ochosi | ok thanks :) | 20:52 |
| jphilips | bluesabre: 2 mins to go | 21:58 |
| bluesabre | yes indeedy | 21:59 |
| bluesabre | #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting | 22:00 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Fri Aug 28 22:00:26 2020 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 22:00 |
| meetingology | Available commands: action commands idea info link nick | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | !team | Meeting time! | 22:00 |
| ubottu | Meeting time!: bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 | 22:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 22:00 |
| bluesabre | Who's here? | 22:00 |
| krytarik | o/ | 22:01 |
| bluesabre | hi pleia2 jphilips krytarik :) | 22:01 |
| bluesabre | #chair pleia2 krytarik | 22:01 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik pleia2 | 22:01 |
| bluesabre | hoping knome shows up since he had some ideas for this meeting | 22:03 |
| ochosi | o/ | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | #chair ochosi | 22:05 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik ochosi pleia2 | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | We can go ahead and get started | 22:05 |
| bluesabre | #topic Open Action Items | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | #done bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | #done bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | Not sure: bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | Not sure: bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | I think I dropped the ball on those last two | 22:06 |
| bluesabre | #topic Updates and Announcements | 22:07 |
| ochosi | Xfce 4.16pre1 is out :) | 22:07 |
| ochosi | \o/ | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | Way to go ochosi | 22:07 |
| bluesabre | Xubuntu Docs have been getting refreshed weekly, with some updates coming to Transifex soon, feel free to join us! (thanks jphilips for leading the charge here) | 22:08 |
| pleia2 | nice | 22:08 |
| bluesabre | Feature Freeze was yesterday... we'll come back to this later :D | 22:08 |
| ochosi | :) | 22:08 |
| jphilips | will 4.16pre1 come to the PPA? | 22:09 |
| bluesabre | I think... probably | 22:09 |
| bluesabre | I have an experimental PPA here, in case you want to experiment: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.16 | 22:10 |
| jphilips | sweet | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | It's not fully up-to-date as of this week's updates | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | But close | 22:10 |
| bluesabre | 20.10 won't include any 4.15 components, to be clear | 22:11 |
| ochosi | yeah | 22:11 |
| ochosi | wouldn't have made sense | 22:11 |
| ochosi | too early | 22:11 |
| bluesabre | On to the discussion-y bits | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | #topic Discussion | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Xubuntu Council (bluesabre / knome) | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | So, I put out a call for Xubuntu Council nominations a couple weeks ago. | 22:12 |
| ochosi | (i'm happy knome brought up that story, i would have forgotten about it already) | 22:12 |
| bluesabre | The ML, as well as my DMs, was silent :D | 22:12 |
| pleia2 | now is a bad time for me, as you might "expect" ;D | 22:13 |
| ochosi | :'D | 22:13 |
| bluesabre | Definitely :D | 22:13 |
| pleia2 | I would like to hear knome's thoughts too, but maybe a time to consider switching back to the XPL model? | 22:14 |
| pleia2 | though I'm not sure anyone wants that either ;) | 22:15 |
| ochosi | the question is if the project at this point *needs* an XPL | 22:15 |
| pleia2 | yeah | 22:15 |
| ochosi | after all, we all have been around very long (with some exceptions) and "know what we're doing" | 22:15 |
| ochosi | although as knome pointed out correctly, I've mostly moved upstream | 22:16 |
| ochosi | plus all the components that "made xubuntu special" are now on gitlab.xfce | 22:16 |
| ochosi | (in a good way) | 22:16 |
| bluesabre | Yay us for upstreaming our skills :D | 22:16 |
| bluesabre | Maybe we should table/ML this for now, and knome can possibly appear later in the meeting to continue the discussion? | 22:18 |
| ochosi | i'm wondering - what has the council ever done for us? | 22:18 |
| pleia2 | things do tend to chug along with people just doing their thing | 22:18 |
| ochosi | (i'm sad knome isn't here to pick up the "what have the romans ever done for us" monty python ring...) | 22:18 |
| bluesabre | Yeah, the Council has been hands-off since the beginning, which is A-OK | 22:18 |
| bluesabre | roamin' roman knome'n | 22:19 |
| ochosi | :] | 22:19 |
| bluesabre | Alrighty, going to move on to the next thing, and jump around a bit since we have several team folks here. | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Team Membership | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | Generally speaking, I'd like to expand this... | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | And jphilips applied a couple months ago, with little response | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-May/011972.html | 22:22 |
| bluesabre | Since he's been actively contributing and is on some of the subteams: on docs, bugs, social media, website (and probably more), I'd like to get him on the team. | 22:23 |
| pleia2 | yeah, sorry about not saying anything | 22:23 |
| pleia2 | the work has been really good :) | 22:24 |
| bluesabre | Since we don't add people frequently, and I don't think we have the process really defined, what's the next step? | 22:25 |
| pleia2 | I think a meeting vote is fine, we have quorum today | 22:26 |
| bluesabre | Sounds good to me. | 22:26 |
| bluesabre | #vote Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? | 22:26 |
| meetingology | Please vote on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? | 22:26 |
| meetingology | Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) | 22:26 |
| pleia2 | +1 | 22:27 |
| meetingology | +1 received from pleia2 | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | +1 | 22:27 |
| meetingology | +1 received from bluesabre | 22:27 |
| bluesabre | !team | 22:27 |
| ubottu | bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 | 22:27 |
| pleia2 | well we DID have quorum | 22:29 |
| pleia2 | wakey wakey :) | 22:29 |
| ochosi | +1 | 22:30 |
| meetingology | +1 received from ochosi | 22:30 |
| bluesabre | The 4th vote is always the hardest to pry out of our team :D | 22:31 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 22:31 |
| bluesabre | Suppose I'll have to nudge people on the ML | 22:32 |
| bluesabre | #endvote | 22:33 |
| meetingology | Voting ended on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? | 22:33 |
| meetingology | Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 | 22:33 |
| meetingology | Motion carried | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | Shoulda added voters to that | 22:33 |
| bluesabre | #action bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor) | 22:34 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor) | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | #subtopic Feature Freeze / Feature Requests | 22:34 |
| bluesabre | So, Feature Freeze was yesterday | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | We noticed as we received the mail :D | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | There's a few feature requests floating around | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | Enable folder thumbnailing (LP: #1873268) | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | Log notifications by default (LP: #1874496) | 22:35 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1873268 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Enable Xfce 4.14 folder thumbnailing" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873268 | 22:35 |
| ubot93 | Launchpad bug 1874496 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "xfce4-notifyd doesn't log notifications by default" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874496 | 22:35 |
| bluesabre | And a whole slew of app suggestions | 22:36 |
| jphilips | well everything in this doc really :D - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit# | 22:36 |
| ochosi | the notifyd thing is feasible now | 22:36 |
| ochosi | i added some settings to it so the log doesn't overflow by default anymore | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | Nice | 22:36 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: whats the minimum release we need for that? | 22:36 |
| ochosi | before that used to be a bit of a problem, users would have had to clean up manually.. | 22:36 |
| ochosi | bluesabre: hmm, lemme check... | 22:36 |
| ochosi | oh dear, it's not yet released | 22:38 |
| ochosi | i wanted to test and merge one final MR | 22:38 |
| ochosi | but then focused on 4.16pre1 | 22:38 |
| ochosi | so i guess that's too late for 20.10 | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | :) | 22:38 |
| bluesabre | I've been thinking about how to best test/vote on the changes and additions outlined in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit#heading=h.vc9bmc9pgxg8 | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | I wonder if we should package up these changes in a PPA or re-spun ISO so they can more easily be taken for a spin | 22:39 |
| bluesabre | Is there a good platform (besides maybe a Google form) where we can vote on a pile of different things? | 22:40 |
| bluesabre | Or should we just blow up the mailing list with individual proposals | 22:41 |
| pleia2 | google forms are very easy ;) | 22:41 |
| pleia2 | but people do like chiming in when they really care about something on the mailing list | 22:42 |
| jphilips | google doc was shared with the ML over 6 months ago | 22:43 |
| jphilips | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html | 22:43 |
| pleia2 | yeah, it's just a lot to consume at once | 22:44 |
| bluesabre | Unit193: welcome | 22:46 |
| bluesabre | So yeah, I think sending the proposals individually to the ML will help with the consumption problem | 22:47 |
| bluesabre | Lot of work upfront, but hopefully will lead to an actionable response | 22:47 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 22:47 |
| ochosi | sry folks, i need to get some rest... | 22:48 |
| ochosi | i have a working day ahead tomorrow | 22:48 |
| jphilips | night | 22:48 |
| ochosi | -> | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | ochosi: have a great night/weekend! | 22:48 |
| ochosi | thanks, u2 | 22:48 |
| bluesabre | #action bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML | 22:49 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML | 22:49 |
| pleia2 | thanks bluesabre | 22:49 |
| bluesabre | #topic AOB | 22:50 |
| bluesabre | Anything else to discuss today? | 22:50 |
| pleia2 | Unit193: would you like to add a vote? :) | 22:50 |
| jphilips | people can give their opinion to these menu changes - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/6 | 22:51 |
| Unit193 | I've been informed there's something that was voted on, everyone seems in favor so I guess +1 | 22:51 |
| ubot93 | Issue 6 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Menu Updates" [Open] | 22:51 |
| jphilips | patch is provided | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | Oh hey, quorum | 22:51 |
| bluesabre | jphilips: with 4/6 in favor, welcome to the team! | 22:53 |
| jphilips | thanks | 22:53 |
| pleia2 | :D | 22:53 |
| bluesabre | #action bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups | 22:54 |
| meetingology | ACTION: bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | *applicable | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | but we :D | 22:54 |
| bluesabre | Anything else? | 22:54 |
| jphilips | also opinions on adding a 'Sound' entry to the settings manager - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/9 | 22:54 |
| ubot93 | Pull 9 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Setting Manager: Add Sound entry to Hardware section" [Open] | 22:54 |
| jphilips | there was the question about including qt5 libs in the default install | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | Oh right | 22:56 |
| pleia2 | I left a comment about one of the items in Issue 6 (but that should also be part of the mailing list emails that will be sent out) | 22:56 |
| ubot93 | Bug 6 in Launchpad itself "'next 10 entries' at bottom of page" [Medium, Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6 | 22:56 |
| * pleia2 pat pat ubot93 | 22:56 | |
| bluesabre | Some background, qt5-style-plugins: Makes QT apps look like GTK apps in Xubuntu, but brings in some QT dependencies | 22:56 |
| bluesabre | Better default support, larger install size | 22:57 |
| Unit193 | We don't ship any Qt5 applications, seems rather silly... Also, that's rather deprecated, so wouldn't be the best idea. | 22:58 |
| bluesabre | deprecated is good to know | 22:59 |
| jphilips | as part of my recommendations of new apps/packages to add is keepassxc, which does include the same qt5 libs used in qt5-style-plugins | 23:00 |
| jphilips | the full list can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0 | 23:01 |
| jphilips | this is its github issue - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/5 | 23:02 |
| ubot93 | Issue 5 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "New seed software" [Open] | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | That's an instance where we should probably review and comment on the bug report to filter the list down a bit. We can indicate as much in the ML | 23:02 |
| bluesabre | So yeah, let's take the software discussions to the ML so we're not swamping everybody with a sudden list of decisions :) | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | Anything else to discuss for the meeting? | 23:04 |
| bluesabre | Alrighty! | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | #topic Schedule Next Meeting | 23:06 |
| bluesabre | https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531 | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | How about sometime around 9/10? | 23:07 |
| bluesabre | #action Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10 | 23:08 |
| meetingology | ACTION: Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10 | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | #endmeeting | 23:08 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Fri Aug 28 23:08:07 2020 UTC. | 23:08 |
| meetingology | Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-08-28-22.00.moin.txt | 23:08 |
| bluesabre | Thanks everybody! | 23:08 |
| Unit193 | ...Are these seed adjustments serious? Was this filed April 1st? | 23:08 |
| pleia2 | have a good evening, all | 23:08 |
| jphilips | Unit193: yes its serious, see the github issue. was mentioned in ML as well | 23:09 |
| jphilips | night all | 23:09 |
| bluesabre | It's not an omnibus package, I'd say each item is up for discussion/filtering down/voting | 23:09 |
| jphilips | all are welcome to comment in the spreadsheet as well or the github issue | 23:11 |
| jphilips | bluesabre: is your 4.16 PPA updated once a week, so a new build will be coming out tomorrow? | 23:13 |
| bluesabre | jphilips: it's all manual, but tomorrow is a Saturday, so good chance I'll get some updates in | 23:14 |
| jphilips | sweet. thanks | 23:15 |
| jphilips | does launchpad not have any automated means to run builds? | 23:15 |
| bluesabre | Pretty much limited to on-commit (not ideal) or automating uploads from somewhere else | 23:23 |
| bluesabre | bbl | 23:26 |
| Unit193 | bluesabre: Surprised you grabbed my -nocsd for your 4.16 repo. | 23:29 |
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