[00:28] It'd also be a bit nice if one could set DISTRIBUTOR or so, Ubuntu has http://paste.openstack.org/show/oZg7qNqZxdfsv8lXNevK but that'd be nice to have the option to set Ubuntu, Debian, etc. [01:20] jphilips: scheduled for tomorrow at 22:00 UTC. [01:22] \o/ [09:30] Hold up, FF just hit?! [09:45] yes [09:47] I haven't looked at the schedule in months since it's not on the wiki, I guess it sneaks up on you. [10:00] Unit193: a-ha, i wasn't aware of X-GNOME-Gettext-Domain (i'm also not really the desktop file expert) [10:00] Unit193: what is distributor used for in practice? [10:01] ideally create a MR based on that patch so we can discuss it on gitlab [10:15] bluesabre: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libxfce4util_4.15.3-1.html [10:16] ochosi: I don't know, I see glib handles it in Debian for X-Debian, and I have seen several Ubuntu ones use that too. There's been a patch in libxfce4util since forever for that. [10:20] Unit193: yay! [10:24] Unit193: and yeah, I've been working non-stop day and night basically since COVID started, and missed that FF was here :\ [10:27] Urgh, condolences.. :/ [10:27] Kind of gathered you were very busy though. [10:39] bluesabre: Soooo...Tempted to slip in glade with that too... Not entirely sure that needs it's own package, but it's still used yes? [10:39] Unit193: yes! [10:42] Meh, pulls in webkit/etc. So yeah maybe still an extra package. [10:52] as i said, please submit the existing patch in a MR [10:52] that would already help [10:53] I mean...It's not fit for upstream as-is, soo... [10:53] it could still start the discussion [10:53] or submit an issue [10:53] but only irc is sometimes not enough [10:53] unless i end up doing the thing myself [10:58] Issue would seem better at least, though just figured I'd ask. :) [11:03] sure, one can always try [11:05] "Nah that doesn't seem too upstream worthy" "OK!" :) [11:06] bluesabre: Yatzee! [11:06] (...Or the proper spelling.) [11:16] ...So I'm going to end up with one package with delta, for myself only too. >_< === sorin3llo1 is now known as sorin3llo [15:52] bluesabre: thanks. look forward to it tonight [16:07] updated the team calendar for it too (just moved the one from the 11th that didn't happen) [20:52] thanks, i was just wondering why i didnt see the meeting in my calendar [20:52] is it in a few mins? [20:52] in an hour [20:52] (sry, i actually still dont see it in my calendar...) [20:52] ok thanks :) [21:58] bluesabre: 2 mins to go [21:59] yes indeedy [22:00] #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting [22:00] Meeting started Fri Aug 28 22:00:26 2020 UTC. The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [22:00] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick [22:00] !team | Meeting time! [22:00] Meeting time!: bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 [22:00] o/ [22:00] Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings [22:00] Who's here? [22:01] o/ [22:01] hi pleia2 jphilips krytarik :) [22:01] #chair pleia2 krytarik [22:01] Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik pleia2 [22:03] hoping knome shows up since he had some ideas for this meeting [22:05] o/ [22:05] #chair ochosi [22:05] Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik ochosi pleia2 [22:05] We can go ahead and get started [22:06] #topic Open Action Items [22:06] #done bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex [22:06] #done bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations [22:06] Not sure: bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML [22:06] Not sure: bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge [22:06] I think I dropped the ball on those last two [22:07] #topic Updates and Announcements [22:07] Xfce 4.16pre1 is out :) [22:07] \o/ [22:07] Way to go ochosi [22:08] Xubuntu Docs have been getting refreshed weekly, with some updates coming to Transifex soon, feel free to join us! (thanks jphilips for leading the charge here) [22:08] nice [22:08] Feature Freeze was yesterday... we'll come back to this later :D [22:08] :) [22:09] will 4.16pre1 come to the PPA? [22:09] I think... probably [22:10] I have an experimental PPA here, in case you want to experiment: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.16 [22:10] sweet [22:10] It's not fully up-to-date as of this week's updates [22:10] But close [22:11] 20.10 won't include any 4.15 components, to be clear [22:11] yeah [22:11] wouldn't have made sense [22:11] too early [22:12] On to the discussion-y bits [22:12] #topic Discussion [22:12] #subtopic Xubuntu Council (bluesabre / knome) [22:12] So, I put out a call for Xubuntu Council nominations a couple weeks ago. [22:12] (i'm happy knome brought up that story, i would have forgotten about it already) [22:12] The ML, as well as my DMs, was silent :D [22:13] now is a bad time for me, as you might "expect" ;D [22:13] :'D [22:13] Definitely :D [22:14] I would like to hear knome's thoughts too, but maybe a time to consider switching back to the XPL model? [22:15] though I'm not sure anyone wants that either ;) [22:15] the question is if the project at this point *needs* an XPL [22:15] yeah [22:15] after all, we all have been around very long (with some exceptions) and "know what we're doing" [22:16] although as knome pointed out correctly, I've mostly moved upstream [22:16] plus all the components that "made xubuntu special" are now on gitlab.xfce [22:16] (in a good way) [22:16] Yay us for upstreaming our skills :D [22:18] Maybe we should table/ML this for now, and knome can possibly appear later in the meeting to continue the discussion? [22:18] i'm wondering - what has the council ever done for us? [22:18] things do tend to chug along with people just doing their thing [22:18] (i'm sad knome isn't here to pick up the "what have the romans ever done for us" monty python ring...) [22:18] Yeah, the Council has been hands-off since the beginning, which is A-OK [22:19] roamin' roman knome'n [22:19] :] [22:22] Alrighty, going to move on to the next thing, and jump around a bit since we have several team folks here. [22:22] #subtopic Team Membership [22:22] Generally speaking, I'd like to expand this... [22:22] And jphilips applied a couple months ago, with little response [22:22] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-May/011972.html [22:23] Since he's been actively contributing and is on some of the subteams: on docs, bugs, social media, website (and probably more), I'd like to get him on the team. [22:23] yeah, sorry about not saying anything [22:24] the work has been really good :) [22:25] Since we don't add people frequently, and I don't think we have the process really defined, what's the next step? [22:26] I think a meeting vote is fine, we have quorum today [22:26] Sounds good to me. [22:26] #vote Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? [22:26] Please vote on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? [22:26] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname) [22:27] +1 [22:27] +1 received from pleia2 [22:27] +1 [22:27] +1 received from bluesabre [22:27] !team [22:27] bluesabre, knome, krytarik, ochosi, pleia2 and Unit193 [22:29] well we DID have quorum [22:29] wakey wakey :) [22:30] +1 [22:30] +1 received from ochosi [22:31] The 4th vote is always the hardest to pry out of our team :D [22:31] hehe [22:32] Suppose I'll have to nudge people on the ML [22:33] #endvote [22:33] Voting ended on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team? [22:33] Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [22:33] Motion carried [22:33] Shoulda added voters to that [22:34] #action bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor) [22:34] ACTION: bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor) [22:34] #subtopic Feature Freeze / Feature Requests [22:35] So, Feature Freeze was yesterday [22:35] We noticed as we received the mail :D [22:35] There's a few feature requests floating around [22:35] Enable folder thumbnailing (LP: #1873268) [22:35] Log notifications by default (LP: #1874496) [22:35] Launchpad bug 1873268 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Enable Xfce 4.14 folder thumbnailing" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1873268 [22:35] Launchpad bug 1874496 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "xfce4-notifyd doesn't log notifications by default" [Wishlist, Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1874496 [22:36] And a whole slew of app suggestions [22:36] well everything in this doc really :D - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit# [22:36] the notifyd thing is feasible now [22:36] i added some settings to it so the log doesn't overflow by default anymore [22:36] Nice [22:36] ochosi: whats the minimum release we need for that? [22:36] before that used to be a bit of a problem, users would have had to clean up manually.. [22:36] bluesabre: hmm, lemme check... [22:38] oh dear, it's not yet released [22:38] i wanted to test and merge one final MR [22:38] but then focused on 4.16pre1 [22:38] so i guess that's too late for 20.10 [22:38] :) [22:39] I've been thinking about how to best test/vote on the changes and additions outlined in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit#heading=h.vc9bmc9pgxg8 [22:39] I wonder if we should package up these changes in a PPA or re-spun ISO so they can more easily be taken for a spin [22:40] Is there a good platform (besides maybe a Google form) where we can vote on a pile of different things? [22:41] Or should we just blow up the mailing list with individual proposals [22:41] google forms are very easy ;) [22:42] but people do like chiming in when they really care about something on the mailing list [22:43] google doc was shared with the ML over 6 months ago [22:43] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html [22:44] yeah, it's just a lot to consume at once [22:46] Unit193: welcome [22:47] So yeah, I think sending the proposals individually to the ML will help with the consumption problem [22:47] Lot of work upfront, but hopefully will lead to an actionable response [22:47] Howdy. [22:48] sry folks, i need to get some rest... [22:48] i have a working day ahead tomorrow [22:48] night [22:48] -> [22:48] ochosi: have a great night/weekend! [22:48] thanks, u2 [22:49] #action bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML [22:49] ACTION: bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML [22:49] thanks bluesabre [22:50] #topic AOB [22:50] Anything else to discuss today? [22:50] Unit193: would you like to add a vote? :) [22:51] people can give their opinion to these menu changes - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/6 [22:51] I've been informed there's something that was voted on, everyone seems in favor so I guess +1 [22:51] Issue 6 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Menu Updates" [Open] [22:51] patch is provided [22:51] Oh hey, quorum [22:53] jphilips: with 4/6 in favor, welcome to the team! [22:53] thanks [22:53] :D [22:54] #action bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups [22:54] ACTION: bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups [22:54] *applicable [22:54] but we :D [22:54] Anything else? [22:54] also opinions on adding a 'Sound' entry to the settings manager - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/9 [22:54] Pull 9 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "Setting Manager: Add Sound entry to Hardware section" [Open] [22:56] there was the question about including qt5 libs in the default install [22:56] Oh right [22:56] I left a comment about one of the items in Issue 6 (but that should also be part of the mailing list emails that will be sent out) [22:56] Bug 6 in Launchpad itself "'next 10 entries' at bottom of page" [Medium, Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/6 [22:56] * pleia2 pat pat ubot93 [22:56] Some background, qt5-style-plugins: Makes QT apps look like GTK apps in Xubuntu, but brings in some QT dependencies [22:57] Better default support, larger install size [22:58] We don't ship any Qt5 applications, seems rather silly... Also, that's rather deprecated, so wouldn't be the best idea. [22:59] deprecated is good to know [23:00] as part of my recommendations of new apps/packages to add is keepassxc, which does include the same qt5 libs used in qt5-style-plugins [23:01] the full list can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0 [23:02] this is its github issue - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/5 [23:02] Issue 5 in Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings "New seed software" [Open] [23:02] That's an instance where we should probably review and comment on the bug report to filter the list down a bit. We can indicate as much in the ML [23:04] So yeah, let's take the software discussions to the ML so we're not swamping everybody with a sudden list of decisions :) [23:04] Anything else to discuss for the meeting? [23:06] Alrighty! [23:06] #topic Schedule Next Meeting [23:07] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531 [23:07] How about sometime around 9/10? [23:08] #action Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10 [23:08] ACTION: Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10 [23:08] #endmeeting [23:08] Meeting ended Fri Aug 28 23:08:07 2020 UTC. [23:08] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-08-28-22.00.moin.txt [23:08] Thanks everybody! [23:08] ...Are these seed adjustments serious? Was this filed April 1st? [23:08] have a good evening, all [23:09] Unit193: yes its serious, see the github issue. was mentioned in ML as well [23:09] night all [23:09] It's not an omnibus package, I'd say each item is up for discussion/filtering down/voting [23:11] all are welcome to comment in the spreadsheet as well or the github issue [23:13] bluesabre: is your 4.16 PPA updated once a week, so a new build will be coming out tomorrow? [23:14] jphilips: it's all manual, but tomorrow is a Saturday, so good chance I'll get some updates in [23:15] sweet. thanks [23:15] does launchpad not have any automated means to run builds? [23:23] Pretty much limited to on-commit (not ideal) or automating uploads from somewhere else [23:26] bbl [23:29] bluesabre: Surprised you grabbed my -nocsd for your 4.16 repo.