[00:28] <Unit193> It'd also be a bit nice if one could set DISTRIBUTOR or so, Ubuntu has http://paste.openstack.org/show/oZg7qNqZxdfsv8lXNevK but that'd be nice to have the option to set Ubuntu, Debian, etc.
[01:20] <bluesabre> jphilips: scheduled for tomorrow at 22:00 UTC.
[01:22] <Unit193> \o/
[09:30] <Unit193> Hold up, FF just hit?!
[09:45] <RikMills> yes
[09:47] <Unit193> I haven't looked at the schedule in months since it's not on the wiki, I guess it sneaks up on you.
[10:00] <ochosi> Unit193: a-ha, i wasn't aware of X-GNOME-Gettext-Domain (i'm also not really the desktop file expert)
[10:00] <ochosi> Unit193: what is distributor used for in practice?
[10:01] <ochosi> ideally create a MR based on that patch so we can discuss it on gitlab
[10:15] <Unit193> bluesabre: https://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libxfce4util_4.15.3-1.html
[10:16] <Unit193> ochosi: I don't know, I see glib handles it in Debian for X-Debian, and I have seen several Ubuntu ones use that too.  There's been a patch in libxfce4util since forever for that.
[10:20] <bluesabre> Unit193: yay!
[10:24] <bluesabre> Unit193: and yeah, I've been working non-stop day and night basically since COVID started, and missed that FF was here :\
[10:27] <Unit193> Urgh, condolences.. :/
[10:27] <Unit193> Kind of gathered you were very busy though.
[10:39] <Unit193> bluesabre: Soooo...Tempted to slip in glade with that too...  Not entirely sure that needs it's own package, but it's still used yes?
[10:39] <bluesabre> Unit193: yes!
[10:42] <Unit193> Meh, pulls in webkit/etc.  So yeah maybe still an extra package.
[10:52] <ochosi> as i said, please submit the existing patch in a MR
[10:52] <ochosi> that would already help
[10:53] <Unit193> I mean...It's not fit for upstream as-is, soo...
[10:53] <ochosi> it could still start the discussion
[10:53] <ochosi> or submit an issue
[10:53] <ochosi> but only irc is sometimes not enough
[10:53] <ochosi> unless i end up doing the thing myself
[10:58] <Unit193> Issue would seem better at least, though just figured I'd ask. :)
[11:03] <ochosi> sure, one can always try
[11:05] <Unit193> "Nah that doesn't seem too upstream worthy" "OK!" :)
[11:06] <Unit193> bluesabre: Yatzee!
[11:06] <Unit193> (...Or the proper spelling.)
[11:16] <Unit193> ...So I'm going to end up with one package with delta, for myself only too. >_<
[15:52] <jphilips> bluesabre: thanks. look forward to it tonight
[16:07] <pleia2> updated the team calendar for it too (just moved the one from the 11th that didn't happen)
[20:52] <ochosi> thanks, i was just wondering why i didnt see the meeting in my calendar
[20:52] <ochosi> is it in a few mins?
[20:52] <pleia2> in an hour
[20:52] <ochosi> (sry, i actually still dont see it in my calendar...)
[20:52] <ochosi> ok thanks :)
[21:58] <jphilips> bluesabre: 2 mins to go
[21:59] <bluesabre> yes indeedy
[22:00] <bluesabre> #startmeeting Xubuntu Community Meeting
[22:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Aug 28 22:00:26 2020 UTC.  The chair is bluesabre. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[22:00] <bluesabre> !team | Meeting time!
[22:00] <pleia2> o/
[22:00] <bluesabre> Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[22:00] <bluesabre> Who's here?
[22:01] <krytarik> o/
[22:01] <bluesabre> hi pleia2 jphilips krytarik :)
[22:01] <bluesabre> #chair pleia2 krytarik
[22:01] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik pleia2
[22:03] <bluesabre> hoping knome shows up since he had some ideas for this meeting
[22:05] <ochosi> o/
[22:05] <bluesabre> #chair ochosi
[22:05] <meetingology> Current chairs: bluesabre krytarik ochosi pleia2
[22:05] <bluesabre> We can go ahead and get started
[22:06] <bluesabre> #topic Open Action Items
[22:06] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to move code hosting and translations to GitHub and Transifex
[22:06] <bluesabre> #done bluesabre to notify the ML of Xubuntu Council nominations
[22:06] <bluesabre> Not sure: bluesabre and jphilips to send follow-up vote for desktop changes to the ML
[22:06] <bluesabre> Not sure: bluesabre to send vote to ML for Xubuntu Telegram bridge
[22:06] <bluesabre> I think I dropped the ball on those last two
[22:07] <bluesabre> #topic Updates and Announcements
[22:07] <ochosi> Xfce 4.16pre1 is out :)
[22:07] <ochosi>  \o/
[22:07] <bluesabre> Way to go ochosi 
[22:08] <bluesabre> Xubuntu Docs have been getting refreshed weekly, with some updates coming to Transifex soon, feel free to join us! (thanks jphilips for leading the charge here)
[22:08] <pleia2> nice
[22:08] <bluesabre> Feature Freeze was yesterday... we'll come back to this later :D
[22:08] <ochosi> :)
[22:09] <jphilips> will 4.16pre1 come to the PPA?
[22:09] <bluesabre> I think... probably
[22:10] <bluesabre> I have an experimental PPA here, in case you want to experiment: https://launchpad.net/~bluesabre/+archive/ubuntu/xfce-4.16
[22:10] <jphilips> sweet
[22:10] <bluesabre> It's not fully up-to-date as of this week's updates
[22:10] <bluesabre> But close
[22:11] <bluesabre> 20.10 won't include any 4.15 components, to be clear
[22:11] <ochosi> yeah
[22:11] <ochosi> wouldn't have made sense
[22:11] <ochosi> too early
[22:12] <bluesabre> On to the discussion-y bits
[22:12] <bluesabre> #topic Discussion
[22:12] <bluesabre> #subtopic Xubuntu Council (bluesabre / knome)
[22:12] <bluesabre> So, I put out a call for Xubuntu Council nominations a couple weeks ago.
[22:12] <ochosi> (i'm happy knome brought up that story, i would have forgotten about it already)
[22:12] <bluesabre> The ML, as well as my DMs, was silent :D
[22:13] <pleia2> now is a bad time for me, as you might "expect" ;D
[22:13] <ochosi> :'D
[22:13] <bluesabre> Definitely :D
[22:14] <pleia2> I would like to hear knome's thoughts too, but maybe a time to consider switching back to the XPL model?
[22:15] <pleia2> though I'm not sure anyone wants that either ;)
[22:15] <ochosi> the question is if the project at this point *needs* an XPL
[22:15] <pleia2> yeah
[22:15] <ochosi> after all, we all have been around very long (with some exceptions) and "know what we're doing"
[22:16] <ochosi> although as knome pointed out correctly, I've mostly moved upstream
[22:16] <ochosi> plus all the components that "made xubuntu special" are now on gitlab.xfce
[22:16] <ochosi> (in a good way)
[22:16] <bluesabre> Yay us for upstreaming our skills :D
[22:18] <bluesabre> Maybe we should table/ML this for now, and knome can possibly appear later in the meeting to continue the discussion?
[22:18] <ochosi> i'm wondering - what has the council ever done for us?
[22:18] <pleia2> things do tend to chug along with people just doing their thing
[22:18] <ochosi> (i'm sad knome isn't here to pick up the "what have the romans ever done for us" monty python ring...)
[22:18] <bluesabre> Yeah, the Council has been hands-off since the beginning, which is A-OK
[22:19] <bluesabre> roamin' roman knome'n
[22:19] <ochosi> :]
[22:22] <bluesabre> Alrighty, going to move on to the next thing, and jump around a bit since we have several team folks here.
[22:22] <bluesabre> #subtopic Team Membership
[22:22] <bluesabre> Generally speaking, I'd like to expand this... 
[22:22] <bluesabre> And jphilips applied a couple months ago, with little response
[22:22] <bluesabre> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-May/011972.html
[22:23] <bluesabre> Since he's been actively contributing and is on some of the subteams: on docs, bugs, social media, website (and probably more), I'd like to get him on the team.
[22:23] <pleia2> yeah, sorry about not saying anything
[22:24] <pleia2> the work has been really good :)
[22:25] <bluesabre> Since we don't add people frequently, and I don't think we have the process really defined, what's the next step?
[22:26] <pleia2> I think a meeting vote is fine, we have quorum today
[22:26] <bluesabre> Sounds good to me.
[22:26] <bluesabre> #vote Add jphilips to xubuntu-team?
[22:26] <meetingology> Please vote on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team?
[22:26] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:27] <pleia2> +1
[22:27] <meetingology> +1 received from pleia2
[22:27] <bluesabre> +1
[22:27] <meetingology> +1 received from bluesabre
[22:27] <bluesabre> !team
[22:29] <pleia2> well we DID have quorum
[22:29] <pleia2> wakey wakey :)
[22:30] <ochosi> +1
[22:30] <meetingology> +1 received from ochosi
[22:31] <bluesabre> The 4th vote is always the hardest to pry out of our team :D
[22:31] <pleia2> hehe
[22:32] <bluesabre> Suppose I'll have to nudge people on the ML
[22:33] <bluesabre> #endvote
[22:33] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Add jphilips to xubuntu-team?
[22:33] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:33] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:33] <bluesabre> Shoulda added voters to that
[22:34] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor)
[22:34] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to mail the ML about adding jphilips to team (3/6 voted in favor)
[22:34] <bluesabre> #subtopic Feature Freeze / Feature Requests
[22:35] <bluesabre> So, Feature Freeze was yesterday
[22:35] <bluesabre> We noticed as we received the mail :D
[22:35] <bluesabre> There's a few feature requests floating around
[22:35] <bluesabre> Enable folder thumbnailing (LP: #1873268)
[22:35] <bluesabre> Log notifications by default (LP: #1874496)
[22:36] <bluesabre> And a whole slew of app suggestions
[22:36] <jphilips> well everything in this doc really :D - https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit#
[22:36] <ochosi> the notifyd thing is feasible now
[22:36] <ochosi> i added some settings to it so the log doesn't overflow by default anymore
[22:36] <bluesabre> Nice
[22:36] <bluesabre> ochosi: whats the minimum release we need for that?
[22:36] <ochosi> before that used to be a bit of a problem, users would have had to clean up manually..
[22:36] <ochosi> bluesabre: hmm, lemme check...
[22:38] <ochosi> oh dear, it's not yet released
[22:38] <ochosi> i wanted to test and merge one final MR
[22:38] <ochosi> but then focused on 4.16pre1
[22:38] <ochosi> so i guess that's too late for 20.10
[22:38] <bluesabre> :)
[22:39] <bluesabre> I've been thinking about how to best test/vote on the changes and additions outlined in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1hzvQURi8l--GrfqsxP9c0tWNUzrkbZjZTiVxGUegALg/edit#heading=h.vc9bmc9pgxg8
[22:39] <bluesabre> I wonder if we should package up these changes in a PPA or re-spun ISO so they can more easily be taken for a spin
[22:40] <bluesabre> Is there a good platform (besides maybe a Google form) where we can vote on a pile of different things?
[22:41] <bluesabre> Or should we just blow up the mailing list with individual proposals
[22:41] <pleia2> google forms are very easy ;)
[22:42] <pleia2> but people do like chiming in when they really care about something on the mailing list
[22:43] <jphilips> google doc was shared with the ML over 6 months ago
[22:43] <jphilips> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-devel/2020-March/011876.html
[22:44] <pleia2> yeah, it's just a lot to consume at once
[22:46] <bluesabre> Unit193: welcome
[22:47] <bluesabre> So yeah, I think sending the proposals individually to the ML will help with the consumption problem
[22:47] <bluesabre> Lot of work upfront, but hopefully will lead to an actionable response
[22:47] <Unit193> Howdy.
[22:48] <ochosi> sry folks, i need to get some rest...
[22:48] <ochosi> i have a working day ahead tomorrow
[22:48] <jphilips> night
[22:48] <ochosi> ->
[22:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: have a great night/weekend!
[22:48] <ochosi> thanks, u2
[22:49] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML
[22:49] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre/jphilips to send individual proposals to the ML
[22:49] <pleia2> thanks bluesabre 
[22:50] <bluesabre> #topic AOB
[22:50] <bluesabre> Anything else to discuss today?
[22:50] <pleia2> Unit193: would you like to add a vote? :)
[22:51] <jphilips> people can give their opinion to these menu changes - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/6
[22:51] <Unit193> I've been informed there's something that was voted on, everyone seems in favor so I guess +1
[22:51] <jphilips> patch is provided
[22:51] <bluesabre> Oh hey, quorum
[22:53] <bluesabre> jphilips: with 4/6 in favor, welcome to the team!
[22:53] <jphilips> thanks
[22:53] <pleia2> :D
[22:54] <bluesabre> #action bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups
[22:54] <meetingology> ACTION: bluesabre to add jphilips to the application Launchpad and GitHub groups
[22:54] <bluesabre> *applicable
[22:54] <bluesabre> but we :D
[22:54] <bluesabre> Anything else?
[22:54] <jphilips> also opinions on adding a 'Sound' entry to the settings manager - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/pull/9
[22:56] <jphilips> there was the question about including qt5 libs in the default install
[22:56] <bluesabre> Oh right
[22:56] <pleia2> I left a comment about one of the items in Issue 6 (but that should also be part of the mailing list emails that will be sent out)
[22:56]  * pleia2 pat pat ubot93 
[22:56] <bluesabre> Some background, qt5-style-plugins: Makes QT apps look like GTK apps in Xubuntu, but brings in some QT dependencies
[22:57] <bluesabre> Better default support, larger install size
[22:58] <Unit193> We don't ship any Qt5 applications, seems rather silly...  Also, that's rather deprecated, so wouldn't be the best idea.
[22:59] <bluesabre> deprecated is good to know
[23:00] <jphilips> as part of my recommendations of new apps/packages to add is keepassxc, which does include the same qt5 libs used in qt5-style-plugins
[23:01] <jphilips> the full list can be found here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/145vm29WnxgYm4Y_8guaGDAblZT5sRjZ3jhKRktgX1No/edit#gid=0
[23:02] <jphilips> this is its github issue - https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/issues/5
[23:02] <bluesabre> That's an instance where we should probably review and comment on the bug report to filter the list down a bit. We can indicate as much in the ML
[23:04] <bluesabre> So yeah, let's take the software discussions to the ML so we're not swamping everybody with a sudden list of decisions :)
[23:04] <bluesabre> Anything else to discuss for the meeting?
[23:06] <bluesabre> Alrighty!
[23:06] <bluesabre> #topic Schedule Next Meeting
[23:07] <bluesabre> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-schedule/15531
[23:07] <bluesabre> How about sometime around 9/10?
[23:08] <bluesabre> #action Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10
[23:08] <meetingology> ACTION: Team to schedule meeting the week of September 10
[23:08] <bluesabre> #endmeeting
[23:08] <meetingology> Meeting ended Fri Aug 28 23:08:07 2020 UTC.  
[23:08] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2020/xubuntu-devel.2020-08-28-22.00.moin.txt
[23:08] <bluesabre> Thanks everybody!
[23:08] <Unit193> ...Are these seed adjustments serious?  Was this filed April 1st?
[23:08] <pleia2> have a good evening, all
[23:09] <jphilips> Unit193: yes its serious, see the github issue. was mentioned in ML as well
[23:09] <jphilips> night all
[23:09] <bluesabre> It's not an omnibus package, I'd say each item is up for discussion/filtering down/voting
[23:11] <jphilips> all are welcome to comment in the spreadsheet as well or the github issue
[23:13] <jphilips> bluesabre: is your 4.16 PPA updated once a week, so a new build will be coming out tomorrow?
[23:14] <bluesabre> jphilips: it's all manual, but tomorrow is a Saturday, so good chance I'll get some updates in
[23:15] <jphilips> sweet. thanks
[23:15] <jphilips> does launchpad not have any automated means to run builds?
[23:23] <bluesabre> Pretty much limited to on-commit (not ideal) or automating uploads from somewhere else
[23:26] <bluesabre> bbl
[23:29] <Unit193> bluesabre: Surprised you grabbed my -nocsd for your 4.16 repo.