[00:24] <wu_> HI
[00:24] <wu_> wow guys i first time using lubuntu
[00:24] <wu_> its working so super nice
[00:24] <wu_> i mean so super smooth
[00:25] <wu_> but why i cant change mouse settings?
[00:25] <wu_> its not workiong if i change them
[00:25] <wu_> is someone here?
[05:16] <ynbu846ye8noubow> Hello. I have an old laptop with limited resources, which I wanted to use for something other than nothing. I installed Ubuntu's "Lubuntu 18.04.5" on it, and used apt to install weechat from whatever Lubuntu's default repositories are. The installation completed, so I thought I was in the clear, but it gave me version 1.9.1, from 2018. It works
[05:16] <ynbu846ye8noubow> fine, and I wouldn't mind using it indefinitely, but if it is possible, I would install the latest version. Is that something that is possible?
[05:19] <guiverc> you could look in the snapstore; but they'll use more resources that the deb packaged 18.04 version..  only security fixes are backported to older releases.  for newer features you move to later releases
[05:21] <guiverc> I also used to like using Ubuntu-MATE's software boutique, it had a nice software list, and added a pre-screened list of PPAs for some software it listed (I trusted their screening so it was nice), however I can't recall how easy it is to use in 18.04; it's less easy than it used to be :(  (they've made it more Ubuntu-MATE specific)
[05:22] <ynbu846ye8noubow> Hmm, I do have an old lubuntu, don't I
[05:22] <ynbu846ye8noubow> I wonder how that happened
[05:22] <guiverc> if you're running x86/32-bit; later supported releases don't support x86/32-bit any longer.. 18.04 is the only choice
[05:23] <ynbu846ye8noubow> No, I am 64 bit
[05:23] <ynbu846ye8noubow> It isn't quite THAT old
[05:23] <ynbu846ye8noubow> My lap top, I mean
[05:23] <ynbu846ye8noubow> I must have just clicked the wrong thing
[05:23] <ynbu846ye8noubow> It still works, though. That's all that matters
[05:24] <guiverc> 18.04 is supported until 2021-April (3 years from release)..  it'll require re-install to upgrade as it was the last release using LXDE
[05:25] <guiverc> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1058304/is-there-a-program-like-fedy-but-for-ubuntu is an answer for Software Boutique I gave years ago... it looks like changes occurred in 19.10 so it maybe still a good option for 18.04
[05:25] <ynbu846ye8noubow> Oh, what does the new one use?
[05:25] <guiverc> LXQt
[05:25] <ynbu846ye8noubow> I see
[05:25] <guiverc> I'd also check you downloaded Lubuntu from a Lubuntu web site.  Getting an older release thinking it was the latest often occurs when people download from non-Lubuntu sites offerring Lubuntu for download
[05:26] <ynbu846ye8noubow> I'm pretty sure I was there
[05:27] <ynbu846ye8noubow> I checked the hash sums and everything
[05:27] <ynbu846ye8noubow> Unless I got them from a sketchy site, also
[05:27] <guiverc> If you want a Ubuntu flavor web site, don't ask google (it'll send you to 1 of 3 sites, only 1 is legit and under Canonical/Lubuntu/Ubuntu control), go to https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours  (Canonical control that site)
[05:27] <ynbu846ye8noubow> Oh, yeah, that is where I was
[05:28] <guiverc> The Lubuntu web site is https://lubuntu.me/
[05:29] <ynbu846ye8noubow> Yeah, I clicked from official ubuntu site
[05:29] <guiverc> :)
[05:29] <ynbu846ye8noubow> I had ubuntu on that lap top before, but gnome is too much
[08:19] <kmikita> Is this spam? I see this screeshot frequently.
[08:55] <tomreyn> kmikita: yes, worse, it's a scam
[10:04] <lubuntu--User> hello
[10:07] <tomreyn> hi
[10:07] <lubuntu--User> hey tomreyn
[10:08] <tomreyn> what's up, lubuntu--User, any support questions?
[10:09] <lubuntu--User> I think i'm muted in channel, becuase i can't see anybody else chatting
[10:10] <tomreyn> it's more that nobody else is chatting right now
[10:10] <guiverc> lubuntu--User, it's a support channel not a chat channel (#lubuntu-offtopic is for chat, it's quiet currently too though)
[10:11] <lubuntu--User> how many users are here?
[10:12] <guiverc> my client sees 72 people, but other side of bots there will be more (eg. via bridge to telegram for example)
[10:13] <lubuntu--User> so 72 ppl and no one chatting is weird
[10:14] <tomreyn> lubuntu--User: you are chatting, and guiver and i are responding, if only to tell you this channel is just about support questions and answers, not general chat.
[10:15] <lubuntu--User> if this is a support channel, so why is no one asking for support
[10:16] <tomreyn> dicsusing this is something you could do in #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:16] <lubuntu--User> there will be more ppl there?
[10:21] <lubuntu--User> it doesn't connect to #ubuntu-offtopic
[10:22] <guiverc> maybe it requires registration  (sorry I can't remember)
[11:07] <guiverc> @A K, the reverse of who it was installed.. it'll depend if you installed a deb package, snap etc...
[11:11] <guiverc> if unsure, if it's a snap, it'll show when you list snaps, ie. `snap list`
[11:49] <guiverc> `sudo apt remove vivaldi`
[11:49] <guiverc> or replace vivaldi with whatever the package is named
[11:49] <guiverc> (it would have been `snap remove vivaldi` for a snap)
[11:51] <guiverc> try `dpkg -l |grep vival`  (to list packages, grep shows only those with vival in name, or the like till you find it)
[11:51] <guiverc> what OS/release are you using?
[11:53] <guiverc> sorry I don't see the package in Ubuntu repositories, so don't know name.   try vivaldi-stable maybe
[11:54] <guiverc> otherwise you'll have to search for it, `apt-cache search vivaldi` for example
[11:56] <guiverc> :)
[12:01] <guiverc> you can re-size partitions (ie. shrink or grow, shrink in this case), however if your disk is partitioned in MBR you can only have 4 primary partitions; you already have 4
[12:02] <guiverc> to resize you'll need to not be using it (ie. boot live media such as your Lubuntu install media) to resize.  you could remove swap & use that partition if needed, or once it's gone make another extended  to have swap & new partition within extended (you can use swapfiles so don't need swap partition anyway)
[12:09] <JohnDoe_71Rus> <A K> try https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/4/4.2/muon.html
[12:39] <href> hey! Is there a way to have a full screen magnifier in lubuntu ?
[12:40] <href> I don't want something like xzoom or kmag -- I want approximately the same as Windows 10's magnifier, which zooms the whole screen
[12:40] <href> Alt/+ Alt/- don't work as it don't follow the mouse but requires to use scroll instead
[13:07] <macgyver1> is there a Lubuntu 19.04 32 bit version? or only 64bit?
[13:09] <macgyver1> latest version is 19.10?
 32 bits 18.04
 64 bits 20.04
 19.04 and 19.10 are EOL
[13:15] <macgyver1> ok thw 20.04 will never become 32bit?
[13:19] <macgyver1> The only choice for 32 bit is 18.04?
 No, the last 32 bits release was 18.10
 @macgyver1 [<macgyver1> The only choice for 32 bit is 18.04?], Yes
[13:20] <macgyver1> ok
[13:21] <macgyver1> what is the repo to get updates for lubuntu 32 bit?
[13:32] <macgyver1> I would like to add a ppa repository to install latest updates in lubuntu 32 bit
[13:32] <macgyver1> which repository should I add?
[13:43] <macgyver1> should I add  ppa:lubuntu-dev/staging ? or should I go for another repository?
 @Michaël Van Bogaert [last thing i did was updating my custom kernel (liquorix)], Kernels can do that sort of things
 Try with previous kernel
 I don't know what liquorix is, I use the supported kernels.
 Going back to supported kernel doesn't solve the issue?
 With dmesg you can search for kernel verbose
[14:32] <macgyver1> I try to update and it says : The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/eugenesan/ppa/ubuntu cosmic Release' does not have a Release file.
[14:34] <macgyver1> which ppa repository should I add?
 @Michaël Van Bogaert [<reply to image>], It seems that it was a bug and it has been fixed in the latest versions, what version of the kernel do you have?
 @macgyver1 [<macgyver1> I try to update and it says : The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.n …], Is not a cosmic release in ppa
 And is EOL
[14:38] <macgyver1> should I find and add a correct ppa? which is the correct ppa to add?
[14:41] <kc2bez> macgyver1: What are you trying to update?
[14:41] <macgyver1> I have not installed latest updates to lubuntu cosmic and I want to install latest upbdates
[14:42] <macgyver1> and latest upgrade packages
[14:42] <macgyver1> but it says 404 not found
[14:42] <kc2bez> cosmic is EOL
[14:42] <kc2bez> !eol
[14:43] <macgyver1> yes but there is no other version 32bit than cosmic
[14:44] <kc2bez> You would have to reinstall with 18.04 There is no upgrade path from 18.10 32 bit.
[14:45] <macgyver1> if I add a ppa repository from 18.04 will it work?
[14:45] <kc2bez> No
[14:46] <kc2bez> You can't really downgrade the installation either.
[14:47] <kc2bez> The only practical way is to backup all your files and reinstall.
[14:50] <macgyver1> should I wait for them to create a 32 bit version of 19.10, or of 20.04
[14:50] <macgyver1> ?
[14:51] <kc2bez> There will never be a 32 bit version for them. 32bit support was dropped.
[14:53] <kc2bez> https://lubuntu.me/sunsetting-i386/
[16:34] <joe5456> hey, what's the best way to connect an active x session to a tv using an hdmi cable? i want to be able to use the tv as my monitor and hear the audio of the computer coming through the tv too, which i'm assuming the hdmi cable will also be supporting.
[16:36] <joe5456> i know there's xrandr, but thought that there might be a better program to use. i'm on 20.04
[16:37] <tomreyn> joe5456: i'm not so much into lubuntu, but i'm sure it provides a graphical display configuration utility, just like gnome does? if your tv supports it, you should be able to configure it there.
[16:38] <tomreyn> (and TVs with HDMI input usually do, i think)
[16:41] <tomreyn> joe5456: according tos this it should be    Configuration Center -> Monitor settings    https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.1/LXQt_configuration_center.html
[16:42] <tomreyn> i.e. https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.10/monitor_settings.html
[16:42] <joe5456> tomreyn, thanks, i'll have a look at that
[22:02] <uki> greetings !  please some help, my wired network stoped working, the device is been disabled at boot, how to fix?
[22:07] <tomreyn> re-enable the wired network using the network icon on the bottom right corner
[22:11] <uki> i did that but no go
[22:13] <uki> I have also created a new wired connection but didnt work either, the device is been disabled while booting the machine, the leds on the socket are off.
[22:13] <uki> the leds are on until the boot start
[22:17] <tomreyn> uki: do you have another way to get online with this system?
[22:17] <uki> im using a offboard card to be able to connect right now, im on the system with the problem
[22:18] <LimeOn> Hello. Im having a "problem" with "screengrab" program
[22:18] <LimeOn> I had to use the print key to capure the entire screen, now i have to drag the area i want to do it
[22:18] <tomreyn> uki: good. let's get some info on what you have there:    lspci -knnv | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:18] <LimeOn> and i dont know how come back to the other way
[22:19] <tomreyn> uki: also   dmesg | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:20] <tomreyn> LimeOn: should be a matter of not pressing shift, or disabling caps lock
[22:20] <uki> i got this a output:  https://termbin.com/xzdv
[22:20] <uki> as*
[22:21] <tomreyn> so your ethernet chipset is a RTL8111/8168/8411 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet Controller [10ec:8168], driven by the r8169 kernel module
[22:21] <uki> yea
[22:22] <tomreyn> uki: what about the other output?
[22:22] <uki> sec
[22:23] <uki> here:  https://termbin.com/u8two
[22:24] <LimeOn> tomreyn: nope, it doenst change it, i just suddenly changed to this other method, i dont know why(I remember an upgrade notification, maybe it changed the program version)
[22:24] <tomreyn> uki: please install the pending updates, and reboot
[22:24] <tomreyn> !uptodate | uki
[22:25] <tomreyn> LimeOn: hmm, i wouldn'T know then, sorry
[22:25] <uki> i can not do updates, things stop working, i had to reinstall the system several times due to updates breaking things, the system was working fine and the it froze and the wired network stop working
[22:26] <LimeOn> tomreyn: no problem, thanks for the answer
[22:26] <tomreyn> LimeOn: you're welcome, good luck.
[22:27] <tomreyn> uki: so you're saying that updating to the latest security and bug fixes makes your system freeze?
[22:28] <uki> no , something happened earlier today and the system froze, after reboot the wired network stoped working, the device is been disabled when the boot start.
[22:28] <tomreyn> uki: okay, but is this a reason not to install the pending updates now?
[22:30] <uki> right after turning the machine on, the leds on the network card socket are on, when boot start the leds goes off.   The updates make things go bad, it did happen several times, i had to reinstall several times cos the updates as breaking the system, it is running fine w/o updates
[22:30] <tomreyn> uki: have you also considered doing a bios upgrade, since you seem to have a rather old one (the latest is version 4306, released 2014/01/26, you have version 0405, released  02/25/2011
[22:31] <tomreyn> uki: okay, but aren't you saying it's already broken now? so what will get worse by installing the remaining updates?
[22:32] <uki> ill probably gonna end having to reisntall everything again , all i need is the wired network to work, how to make the device not disable at boot ?
[22:33] <tomreyn> the wireless network driver / module crashes during or shortly after boot according to the log you posted
[22:34] <tomreyn> but this shouldn't cause the wired network to break
[22:34] <uki> this wireless card it temporary just to be able to connect it will be removed from the machine once the wired is working again
[22:34] <tomreyn> i see.
[22:34] <uki> the wireless wasnt in the machine b4. i put it on after the problem to be able to connect
[22:35] <uki> i though maybe reinstalling the network sofware that deal with wired connecion would fix it?
[22:35] <uki> but i dunno what should be reisntalled
[22:35] <uki> if that is the case
[22:37] <tomreyn> the wired network interface was properly detected and the driver loaded during boot. but i don't see it being configured.
[22:37] <tomreyn> that's the output of    nmcli d 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:38] <uki> here: https://termbin.com/qnct
[22:38] <tomreyn> i don't think that reinstalling software will help here. based on what you wrote, downgrading some software might help, but we do not know which. you can inspect the latest updates applied tot he system in /var/log/apt/history.log
[22:39] <tomreyn> so this should be the wired ethernet:  enp4s0  ethernet  unmanaged  --
[22:39] <uki> yes
[22:39] <tomreyn> it is not managed by network manager. do you use something other than network manager for managing the network connection then?
[22:39] <uki> nop , just what come with the system
[22:40] <tomreyn> networkctl 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:40] <uki> here:  https://termbin.com/qnct
[22:41] <uki> oops here: https://termbin.com/4umg
[22:42] <tomreyn> nmcli c | grep ethernet | nc termbin.com 9999
[22:43] <tomreyn> so the wired network connection is neither managed by network-manager nor systemd-networkd at this time.
[22:43] <uki> https://termbin.com/z9dn
[22:44] <tomreyn> this next command should either connect your wired network or print an error message. it *may* also break your wireless network:
[22:44] <tomreyn> nmcli c up 274c3f88-1b5e-4420-a1b8-e14a7461ea20
[22:45] <uki> if wireless break  , reboot?
[22:45] <tomreyn> or try reactivating it using the gui, yes
[22:46] <tomreyn> whatever works
[22:46] <uki> ok
[22:46] <uki> Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection (device lo not available because device is strictly unmanaged).
[22:46] <uki> how to make the card managed ?
[22:50] <tomreyn> oh right there's no device assigned to this connection profile, so it probably tries lo
[22:51] <tomreyn> uki: just delete this network connection profile and create a new one for the wired network.
[22:51] <tomreyn> you should be able to do so using the gui
[22:51] <uki> i did while ago , no go
[22:51] <tomreyn> there's also nm-connection-editor, which provides more options
[22:52] <uki> that is what im using
[22:52] <tomreyn> and can you be more specific than "no go"?
[22:52] <uki> did not work
[22:52] <tomreyn> hah
[22:52] <uki> state is the same
[22:53] <uki> the card wanst even listed with ifconfig
[22:53] <tomreyn> so you were able to create the connection profile fine, and while doing so, you set it up for the enp4s0 network card?
[22:53] <uki> yes
[22:53] <uki> enp4s0 wasnt been list by ifconfig
[22:54] <tomreyn> that's weird, because the connection profile you have now is not associated to enp4s0
[22:54] <tomreyn> i'm not talking about ifconfig, i'm talking about nm-connection-editor, though
[22:54] <uki> ok let me try again
[22:55] <tomreyn> first delete the connection profile, then use 'nmcli c' to verify it is gone.
[22:55] <tomreyn> then add it again, ensuring you select the enp4s0 network device
[22:55] <uki> its gone
[22:56] <tomreyn> if this device is not listed by / available on nm-connection-editor, please point it out
[22:56] <uki> i did select the device
[22:56] <uki> nmcli c:  Ethernet 1  568a574e-4b46-4224-a508-fb797843b0d3  ethernet  --
[22:57] <tomreyn> hmm, it doesn't store the device for some reason.
[22:57] <tomreyn> ah this may be only listed while it's active
[22:58] <uki> maybe
[22:58] <tomreyn> okay, try bringing it up using nmcli again
[22:58] <tomreyn> nmcli c up 568a574e-4b46-4224-a508-fb797843b0d3
[22:59] <uki> while ago, b4 coming here.  i manage to bring the device "up" with :  ip link set enp4s0 down
[22:59] <tomreyn> you brought it up by bringing it down?
[22:59] <uki> oh sorry copied the wrong command lol,  used the up option yes
[23:00] <uki> Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection (device lo not available because device is strictly unmanaged).
[23:01] <tomreyn> ip link show enp4s0
[23:01] <uki> 2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST> mtu 1500 qdisc noop state DOWN mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[23:01] <uki>     link/ether f4:6d:04:1c:89:93 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[23:02] <tomreyn> well, try bringing it up again, see what happens
[23:02] <uki> with which command?
[23:02] <tomreyn> ip link set enp4s0 up
[23:02] <uki> RTNETLINK answers: Operation not permitted
[23:02] <tomreyn> chances are that your cable is just broken
[23:03] <tomreyn> sudo please
[23:03] <tomreyn> sudo ip link set enp4s0 up
[23:03] <uki> did, nothing on the output
[23:04] <tomreyn> ip link show enp4s0
[23:05] <uki> ip link show enp4s0
[23:05] <uki> 2: enp4s0: <BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP,LOWER_UP> mtu 1500 qdisc fq_codel state UP mode DEFAULT group default qlen 1000
[23:05] <uki>     link/ether f4:6d:04:1c:89:93 brd ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff
[23:05] <tomreyn> so it's up now
[23:05] <uki> look up
[23:05] <uki> looks*
[23:05] <tomreyn> nmcli c up 568a574e-4b46-4224-a508-fb797843b0d3
[23:06] <uki> Error: Connection activation failed: No suitable device found for this connection (device lo not available because device is strictly unmanaged).
[23:06] <tomreyn> hmm, i don't get it
[23:06] <uki> ifconfig
[23:06] <uki> enp4s0: flags=4163<UP,BROADCAST,RUNNING,MULTICAST>  mtu 1500
[23:06] <uki>         inet6 fe80::f66d:4ff:fe1c:8993  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x20<link>
[23:06] <uki>         inet6 2804:14c:194:935c:f66d:4ff:fe1c:8993  prefixlen 64  scopeid 0x0<global>
[23:06] <uki>         ether f4:6d:04:1c:89:93  txqueuelen 1000  (Ethernet)
[23:06] <uki>         RX packets 17  bytes 2520 (2.5 KB)
[23:07] <tomreyn> use the pastebin
[23:08] <tomreyn> uki: you can talk again
[23:09] <tomreyn> (you had been silenced)
[23:09] <uki> oops sry about that
[23:09] <uki> here the ifconfig output:  https://termbin.com/erkcd
[23:11] <uki> i know the card works, i tried with a live medium and it does work
[23:11] <tomreyn> it has no ipv4 address assigned to it, because dhclient has not been run on it
[23:12] <tomreyn> do you have a file /etc/netowrk/interfaces, and is it not empty?
[23:13] <tomreyn> that's /etc/network/interfaces - typo fixed
[23:13] <uki> the file isnt present, also it isnt present on a different machine with same lubuntu 20.04
[23:15] <uki> the leds on the device socket came up good sign
[23:26] <tomreyn> uki: you can run    dhclient enp4s0    which will probably bring it online now. but this wont really help us fix it in general
[23:26] <uki> got an ipv4 with dhclint -4 enp4s0
[23:27] <uki> so it probably wont work after reboot right ?
[23:35] <tomreyn> uki: not without further modifications, i guess.
[23:35] <tomreyn> i don't understand why it's not getting configured automatically.
[23:36] <tomreyn> i still think it would be best to install any pensding updates first of all, siunce they could fix and problems that you have now
[23:37] <uki> test
[23:37] <uki> funny , i disabled the wifi, the connection is on cable but on the nm-tray it doesnt show any active connection
[23:38] <uki> test
[23:39] <uki> funny , i disabled the wifi, the connection is on cable but on the nm-tray it doesnt show any active connection
[23:39] <uki> hmmm the nm-tray disapeared ...
[23:41] <uki> hey tomrey thanks very much for the help
[23:44] <tomreyn> uki: you'Re welcome!
[23:44] <tomreyn> hope you can solve it somehow.
[23:45] <uki> im still searching , found this: https://rolandschnabel.de/blog/2020/03/networkmanager-in-ubuntu-19-10-and-20-04-not-working/
[23:56] <uki> it is fixed with the instructions on that link !