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[02:13] <ubptgbot> <No Thanks> Hey guys I'm thinking of experimenting with ubuntu touch on a nexus 5, but before I do is it possible to revert back to stock if I don't like it? Does anyone have a guide handy?
 Is anyone working on MIA1? … Also, is convergence available on Lenovo Z2 plus?
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 @No Thanks [Hey guys I'm thinking of experimenting with ubuntu touch on a nexus 5, but befor …], yes, it's quite easy to go back to android. Just do the normal way of installing Android. Nexus Root toolkit is a good tool for it
 @mrmechanic3000 [Is anyone working on MIA1? … Also, is convergence available on Lenovo Z2 plus?], which part of convergence? the video out?
[04:04] <ubptgbot> <No Thanks> Thank you Kugi
 @mateosalta [which part of convergence? the video out?], Yes
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 @hendursaga [So there's a risk that if the build server gets compromised, every single UT pho …], Well every server can get compromised, why you would think other distros are safe from that? Thats not specific to UT
 If you are afraid that a server gets compromised better not download anything at all
 @Flohack [If you are afraid that a server gets compromised better not download anything at …], Well put xD
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 @dohbee [there is no integrated solution for that yet, no], Thank you for help!
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 Welcome all
 (Photo, 404x316) https://irc.ubports.com/x0ogxLYQ.png Hi, wanna to connect with 1200 business, consumers. You need add 2 business & 3 consumers contacts to join and post message subject to group rules. Then fill webform
 @Flohack
 @admins
 Can I use a USB wifi stick if I include the drivers for it in my kernel?
 i guess so
 I guess I should try it then
 I rly want to try Ubuntu Touch
 ubports is good, it only lacks in 3rd party apps department
 only if we had more apps
 @ItsMeShouko [ubports is good, it only lacks in 3rd party apps department], I included anbox support in my kernel
 BTW what is libertine?
 @ItsMeShouko [only if we had more apps], if you build them, they will come
 @J0SH1X [BTW what is libertine?], a tool for managing a container to run legacy/CLI applications in when needed
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and fails to boot afterwards
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], [Edit] Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and ubports fails to boot afterwards
 @ItsMeShouko [Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and u …], My wifi doesn't work so I didn't try anything
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], [Edit] Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and then it force reboot. Afterwards ubports fails to boot afterwards
 @J0SH1X [I included anbox support in my kernel], [Edit] Did you try multi account on tg in anbox? when I do, it freezes eventually and then it force reboot. Afterwards ubports fails to boot
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 Is it normal load for ubuntu touch?
 I'm just playing music in the background
 I mean 208 tasks and 820 threads
 doesn't seem that bad then
 Damn :/ my desktop have smaller load than that, is there any way to lower that?
 Also 5.19 as a load is a bit high.. I think.
 After 5 minutes of listening to music and typing random commands in terminal load is on 2.10 :/
 Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch pirated movie on my phone, and it is in mkv and media player refuse to play it :c
 @mrcyjanek [I mean 208 tasks and 820 threads], Dont worry about number of tasks and threads. Compare with ubuntu desktop, its even more there
 @Flohack [Dont worry about number of tasks and threads. Compare with ubuntu desktop, its e …], Hmm, okay.
 @mrcyjanek [Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch …], mkv is a free container. what codec is the data inside it?
 @mrcyjanek [Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch …], Well then dont pirate movies ;)
 @dohbee [mkv is a free container. what codec is the data inside it?], Let me check
 @Flohack [Well then dont pirate movies ;)], Oh.
 Rootfs is limited in size, we have a general policy to not add any new stuff. Besides that I doubt it would be that easy just to install one package.
 You can try yourself and tell us the results
 @Flohack [You can try yourself and tell us the results], Ill
 well we can't ship non-free things really
 Oh
 but i'm pretty sure matroska support is already there
 because matroska is a free format
 Ill look for problem then
 where the problem coulr be
 yeah. `gstreamer1.0-plugins-good` has the matroska plug-in, and is installed in UT
 maybe install the ugly gstreamer package?
 maybe trying to figure out what the issue is exactly before grasping at straws? :P
 @Flohack [Well then dont pirate movies ;)], Lmao
 Hello. Apologies in advance but does ubtouch work with 4g?
 yes
 Nice thank you ^^.
 If all i need is calls text and a browser, can i use ub as a primary devica?
 probably. many people do
 Yeah, i use it as a daily driver on my oneplus 3. Everything but video seems to work pretty well already
 @atp468 [If all i need is calls text and a browser, can i use ub as a primary devica?], But it depends on your device how usable it is
 Is the OTA13 going to be stable for Oneplus 3T?
 does oneplus 3t have devel channel now?
 or rc channel?
 yes
 But stable no
 then it should get stable channel when ota13 release happens, yes
 it will be the same image as is currently in rc though
 I use it in rc chanel,and work fine
 Thank's
 👍
 @mrcyjanek [Alsooo, can we please get non-free codecs installed in rootfs? I'd like to watch …], UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝
 Hey can anyone help me to install httracker in ubuntu?
 @Bhojpuria_bhaia [Hey can anyone help me to install httracker in ubuntu?], this group is about Ubuntu Touch (https://ubuntu-touch.io) not a support group for traditional Ubuntu on PCs
 Ok can you please provide me the link to that community
 https://ubuntu.com has links to their official support channels
 pretty sure there is no telegram group though
 So any suggestions … What should I do?
 go to the ubuntu web site, find a method of asking for support that you prefer to use, and go there i guess
 or ask whomever develops httracker, whatever that is
 but this is the wrong group :)
 QA 83 will comes up in 40 mins https://youtu.be/50Ar0aJuGWk
 Q&A is live now!
 @ScardracS [QA 83 will comes up in 40 mins https://youtu.be/50Ar0aJuGWk], Can you Twitter us? xD
 @Flohack [Can you Twitter us? xD], Did it
 Fwd from UBports News Channel: We are live! https://youtu.be/50Ar0aJuGWk
 I believe in you both
 I do not, but I have no choice.
 i think this Josef person in youtube chat is trying to troll
 (it's not really)
 you can patch it to be
 @ArubIslander don't feed the troll :P
 @mariogrip oxide is better than webengine before webengine existed, and webkit was not good enough
 @Flohack [Rootfs is limited in size, we have a general policy to not add any new stuff. Be …], Simlinks is a our saviour. Or rootfs r/o?
 @Flohack [Rootfs is limited in size, we have a general policy to not add any new stuff. Be …], [Edit] Simlinks is an our saviour. Or rootfs r/o?
 @Javacookies [UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝], Ah, if that's feature it's ok xd
 @Javacookies [UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝], >Linux … >Piracy blocking … Just lol
 Any word in this sentence  just a platinum
 @Javacookies [UT has a piracy-blocking feature so you can't watch your pirated movies 😝], Lmao
 @riddlach [>Linux … >Piracy blocking … Just lol], Windows you have to pay for the codecs to watch them lmao
 "AOSP is not convergence, independence, FOSS?"
 hahaha
 @amyosx [Windows you have to pay for the codecs to watch them lmao], VLC is totally free, and yes, Windows 10 "Movies" app have general codecs from box
 yea
 I don't remember a time where I had to pay for codecs when I used windows
 @riddlach [VLC is totally free, and yes, Windows 10 "Movies" app have general codecs from b …], True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay
 In stock movies
 @riddlach [>Linux … >Piracy blocking … Just lol], On my dwsktop I can only watch pirated movies because of drm lol
 @amyosx [True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay], meh, my gpu cant process hevc with special hevc instruction
 @amyosx [True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay], [Edit] meh, my gpu cant process hevc with special hevc instructions set
 Lol nor can mine but point remains, it should be free
 @mrcyjanek [On my dwsktop I can only watch pirated movies because of drm lol], You know what many of online movie sites have free licensed movies?
 Good time, the question about turbo, as you know, for a normal installation, you need to change the partition.  The question is, if after that you put the android again, will the partition be reset?
 @riddlach [You know what many of online movie sites have free licensed movies?], Yeah, I'm using the pirate bay
 @mrcyjanek [Yeah, I'm using the pirate bay], )))
 @mariogrip you can just make some bind mounts into `~/` and not resize the rootfs
 also note that it won't work on pinephone
 @amyosx [Lol nor can mine but point remains, it should be free], Look what i find https://www.videolan.org/developers/x265.html
 @riddlach [Look what i find https://www.videolan.org/developers/x265.html], Microshit still charge
 @amyosx [Microshit still charge], language and be nice
 @amyosx [True, but for stuff Like hevc you have to pay], Never had to pay for hevc
 @dohbee [language and be nice], Sorry
 Amy, No one forces you to use proprietary players
 @kipters [Never had to pay for hevc], It is 2.99 on ms store
 @riddlach [Amy, No one forces you to use proprietary players], I don't lol
 and let's stay on topic please
 I use manjaro on desktop, and Ubuntu touch on main phone
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], Sorry
 @mariogrip no.
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], We on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], [Edit] Were on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT
 @dohbee [and let's stay on topic please], [Edit] We're on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT
 Rootfs is readonly?
 @riddlach [Rootfs is readonly?], Can be made rw in UT Tweak Tool
 @riddlach [We're on topic, just talking about playing videos on UT], paying for codecs on windows has nothing to do with UT
 Not adviced as I broke ota
 @riddlach [Rootfs is readonly?], yes. updates are image based
 @amyosx [Can be made rw in UT Tweak Tool], If this true, you can place codec libs in sdcard/storage and simlink libs in /libs/ or other lib-specific way
 But, you can compile it for your architecture
 @riddlach [If this true, you can place codec libs in sdcard/storage and simlink libs in /li …], And break ota xD
 Yes
 Everything have a price
 again, the aforementioned problem is probably something else. figure out the actual problem before arguing about theoretical solutions
 @dohbee [again, the aforementioned problem is probably something else. figure out the act …], Ok
 @dohbee [again, the aforementioned problem is probably something else. figure out the act …], We have already come to the decision that there are simply no necessary codecs for viewing, if I understand everything correctly
 @riddlach [We have already come to the decision that there are simply no necessary codecs f …], for viewing what? the specific example that spawned all that noise, was about an mkv file, for which the decoder is already installed because it's an open format
 @dohbee [for viewing what? the specific example that spawned all that noise, was about an …], Idk, i'm confused
 And Yes, what is protection from piracy?
 @Jaymz665 [Good time, the question about turbo, as you know, for a normal installation, you …], missed this, but yes, android image requires different partition sizes from UT
 @riddlach [And Yes, what is protection from piracy?], nothing, it was sarcasm
 Oh lol
 Just take it all seriously
 Sry!
 @dohbee [missed this, but yes, android image requires different partition sizes from UT], that is, do I need to re-do the partitions for UT?
 @Jaymz665 [that is, do I need to re-do the partitions for UT?], yes, to go from android to UT the partition layout needs to be changed from what android uses on the pro5
 Ehhh, again this "dance with a tambourine" is sad that this is not in automatic mode
 @dohbee [@ArubIslander don't feed the troll :P], Heh... Yeah, I belatedly realised...
 @Jaymz665 [Ehhh, again this "dance with a tambourine" is sad that this is not in automatic …], yeah well, it's sad that everything got dropped because it wasn't making enough money for canonical
 @Flohack for the delta, it only overwrites things which are in the image which did change
 so dpkg won't know that something is installed any more, but the binaries and such will still be there
 full image update will overwrite everything
 the delta is just a tarball of the set of files that changed from the last update
 @dohbee [the delta is just a tarball of the set of files that changed from the last updat …], oh cool
 @dohbee [yeah well, it's sad that everything got dropped because it wasn't making enough …], If the canonical guys took your idea with pibephone, it would be a success!  You are great, this is really cool, although I again flashed the phone for android, I decided to transfer it to UT again. Android no more inspires me =)
 @mariogrip no, swap baaaaad on phones
 @dohbee [yeah well, it's sad that everything got dropped because it wasn't making enough …], [Edit] If the canonical guys took your idea with pinephone, it would be a success!  You are great, this is really cool, although I again flashed the phone for android, I decided to transfer it to UT again. Android no more inspires me =)
 fedora is enabling zRAM on everything by default now
 @Jaymz665 [If the canonical guys took your idea with pinephone, it would be a success!  You …], we didn't make pinephone. pine64 did. the way  it came about is basically the same way the meizu and bq partnerships with canonical happened. there were just no companies making anything like pinephone or librem5 with reasoanble specs at that ti
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 @dohbee [fedora is enabling zRAM on everything by default now], zRAM works well on channel where we have 2 GB ram on android 10 lmao
 whee another troll in YT chat
 @mariogrip samsung note 20 ultra when
 @dohbee [@mariogrip samsung note 20 ultra when], Wen eta iPhone 12
 never
 Lol
 Imagine if apple allowed boot loader unlock
 Or unsigned firmware
 imagine if hardware makers released open source drivers
 That'd be sick
 @dohbee [imagine if hardware makers released open source drivers], Yes
 Pls
 interested to know if the ubports for fxtec pro1 has the same problem as my cosmo communicator, ie. no clue how to add a custom keyboard layout so the next level for symbols etc. doesnt work 😄
 @PiecerEdd [interested to know if the ubports for fxtec pro1 has the same problem as my cosm …], it should work using the keyboard indicator in the top panel
 @dohbee [it should work using the keyboard indicator in the top panel], the problem is the keyboard layout for the cosmo doesnt exist
 and ive no idea how to add one
 theres a Xorg keyboard layout for it but i cant find how to add/port this to mir/lomiri :P
 oh. it's a standard xkb thing though right?
 i think so yeah
 What's the reason for needing Halium? I see in the docs info on the how, but not the why. (My only UT experience is through Pinephone, so apologies)
 @YepYepperson [What's the reason for needing Halium? I see in the docs info on the how, but not …], because android devices don't have open source drivers in upstream linux. we have to run a minimal set of android components to make the hardware work, on android devices
 Is it the mainline Linux kernel with certain driver blobs? Or you mean like the android kernel entirely?
 @YepYepperson [Is it the mainline Linux kernel with certain driver blobs? Or you mean like the …], Its android kernel with android chroot
 @YepYepperson [Is it the mainline Linux kernel with certain driver blobs? Or you mean like the …], no. the blobs only work with specific kernel version. it's the kernel version that came with the device, with some patches for UT; and an lxc that some android userspace components run in
 android kernel itself also has plenty of improvements for mobile things that haven't been upstreamed yet
 Interesting. But the Android userspace stuff doesn't actually run, right? We're talking about some like initrd thing that sets up the LXC container?
 I mean, it's not like running Xubuntu in ChromeOS, right?
 @YepYepperson [Interesting. But the Android userspace stuff doesn't actually run, right? We're …], none of the java stuff. only low level things like timekeeper and camera service and such
 very minimal android
 Wild
 That makes the Pinephone situation make a lot more sense
 why?
 Well, is Pinephone the first non-Halium device? (aside from the x86 port maybe?)
 yes, and raspberry pi
 or well, non-android device
 to be fair, all the devices canonical ported, and nexus 5, opo, and similar devices are not using halium yet (but are doing the same things that halium was built on)
 Oh gotcha, interesting
 @YepYepperson [Interesting. But the Android userspace stuff doesn't actually run, right? We're …], camera server needs to run, all radio stuff, some sensor things etc... So its basically all services in Android coming from init.rc
 For some we also dont know what they are, but you cannot easily remove them ^^
 Uh oh, mystery code
 @YepYepperson [Uh oh, mystery code], Life is also a mystery, I am not scared ^^
 @YepYepperson [Uh oh, mystery code], Be honest, how much code from the kernel you really understand what its doing
 Very little, to be honest. Pointers in C make my eyes glaze over.
 @Flohack [Be honest, how much code from the kernel you really understand what its doing], well the important bits you need to understand what the hardware does to understand what the kernel source is doing :P
 How did Canonical get those few devices working without/before Halium? Does yet mean the plan is to convert them over to sort of streamline development?
 @YepYepperson [How did Canonical get those few devices working without/before Halium? Does yet …], The porting process is nowadays almost the same. Halium is a more formalized way to boot the device, but its not a huge change in fact. And yes we will bring some older devices to Halium 7.1
 @YepYepperson [How did Canonical get those few devices working without/before Halium? Does yet …], doing most the same things halium does, just in a more specific way, because the goal wasn't to make a platform to ship other linux distros on top of. only Ubuntu
 halium just takes all that stuff and works to make it more of a product that is generic and that other distros can use to run on top of android devices with
 Do they still need the Android kernel? Or is the hardware more open?
 @YepYepperson [Do they still need the Android kernel? Or is the hardware more open?], Android hardware is never open 😆
 android devices are android devices. being open or not has nothing to do with the OS
 @Flohack [Android hardware is never open 😆], hardware is never open 😆
 @vtsoft [hardware is never open 😆], Well thats not true entirely, it depends on how well its documented.
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 @hacker12455 [I don't remember a time where I had to pay for codecs when I used windows], Because you pay that when buying a PC from a store. If you build your own PC and download the codecs you are likely doing so illegally
 I assume that for most devices that you can run UT for you already paid for the codec license at the time of hardware purchase. If Android includes it "for free" I believe UBPorts can too
 But don't quote me on that, it's complex legal stuff