[00:15] <maradrash> Hey guys, desperated here. Tried everything online. Anyone knows how to prevent from bluetooth headset idle disconnects? Thank you.
[00:21] <sarnold> maradrash: some headset vendors supply smartphone applications that you can use to change settings, this may be one of them
[00:22] <liowenex> !esm
[00:28] <maradrash> sarnold, thanks. I think its not. Is this a headset configuration?
[00:29] <sarnold> maradrash: it might be; I've never put effort into understanding what bluetooth on the desktop offers, since I know it souds terrible in comparison to bluetooth on android
[00:30] <maradrash> sarnold, yeah! Thank you aggain.
[00:32] <d33cee> hello all. I've got a friend trying to install cfdisk, but the package no longer seems to be present. I've found evidence that it WAS here before, perhaps as 'cfdisk-udeb'
[00:32] <d33cee> is it really gone? what are his options for installing cfdisk now?
[00:33] <maradrash> sarnold, found that app you said. Mine is Edifier and disabled the options. Let's pray to work on desktop too :)
[00:33] <d33cee> is packages.ubuntu.com having some trouble?... it's throwing out random 500 errors.
[00:33] <sarnold> d33cee: cfidsk is in the fdisk package; apt install fdisk shold do the job
[00:33] <sarnold> maradrash: woo! good luck :D
[00:36] <sarnold> d33cee: yeah, it's doing the same for me. it's a flaky service :/
[00:36] <sarnold> d33cee: I've passed it along, hopefully it can be poked
[00:36] <d33cee> thanks a ton
[00:37] <sarnold> d33cee: btw the apt-file tool can help
[00:37] <sarnold> as can the command-not-found package, but that's a bit funny
[00:38] <d33cee> yeah, I just told him about it. Had to look it up first, to make sure it existed.
[00:38] <d33cee> i've relied on the equivalent in another package manager, quite a bit
[00:41] <Napk1n> I set up hourly backups of my database, but im curious, is there a way to export the backup file to a different server?
[00:43] <sarnold> Napk1n: some folks use streaming replication to do 'live' backups; other folks use rsync or zfs send to replicate their data to another machine periodically
[00:44] <Napk1n> sarnold thanks! ill look into all those
[01:56] <ornxka> i want to upgrade but i cant update my distribution because it is too old but do-release-upgrade is telling me i need to update before i run it
[01:58] <rfm> ornxka, there are some instructions in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades but I think it's easier to backup your data and do a fresh install
[01:59]  * ornxka screaming externally
[01:59] <ornxka> oh well thank you anyway
[02:01] <lotuspsychje> ornxka: we usually advice to upgrade before a release goes eol, fresh installer safer as rfm mentions see !usn
[02:02] <ornxka> im attempting the steps in the EOLupgrades page
[02:06] <lotuspsychje> ornxka: just keep in mind, there are possible security risks
[02:07] <ornxka> as in, the resulting system might be vulnerable?
[02:13] <lotuspsychje> ornxka: yes, lets say your system was compromized in the time that it went over EOL, you will take it compromized to the next release too right?
[02:17] <ornxka> oh this is running in a container on my local system
[02:17] <ornxka> if it was compromised then so is the system i would be running the update on, probably
[02:17] <ornxka> so its probably fine
[02:17] <ornxka> but i see what you mean
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> allrighty
[04:32] <ckb> 30 * * * * will be every 30 minutes, correct?
[04:32] <RoseBus> can i see clipboard history?
[04:43] <tacomaster>  RoseBus From my understanding if you do not have a clipboard manager than there is not way to retrieve it.
[04:43] <tacomaster> RoseBus, https://superuser.com/questions/790102/where-to-find-clipboard-history-ubuntu-14-04 this is where I got the document
[04:55] <tacomaster> Does anyone know a way to see what files a program is failing to access while the application is starting? I know that lsof has a pid option you can give it but it crashes so quickly i dont have the time to find the pid and do the search.
[04:55] <tacomaster> In windows I would use something like procmon but for linux I would have no idea
[05:04] <leibniz[m]> Can someone look at this to tell me what process has been taking a long time to startup? http://i.imgur.com/yCOXEsA.png
[05:04] <leibniz[m]> And how to fix it?
[05:32] <willc> Would a bad MBR cause a HD to go missing from Ubuntu's HDs to install on list while using the Ubuntu Live boot (usb)? A month or so ago the system crashed, and after selecting "ubuntu" in grub the system stopped booting up; won't even show bios. Not sure if it is a dead SSD or a bad MBR
[05:43] <lotuspsychje> willc: did you recently changed some settings in bios?
[05:44] <willc> On this machine no. I tried swapping out the harddrive and putting it into another machine
[05:45] <lotuspsychje> willc: what about booting ubuntu in recoverymode, does that still work?
[05:53] <willc> lotuspsychje, doesn't appear to be an option
[05:54] <willc> ubuntu 20.04 live usb
[05:54] <willc> try without installing, try without installing safe graphics, install, install (safe graphics), test memory, boot from first hd
[05:55] <lotuspsychje> willc: are you trying to rescue data from the live, or whats your plan?
[05:55] <willc> trying to install ubuntu on the disk, but the ubuntu installer doesn't recognize the existence of the drive. Don't know if it is a dead drive or bad mbr
[05:56] <lotuspsychje> willc: is it an nvme ssd?
[05:57] <willc> I didn't check before installing. Kingston
[05:57]  * willc gets the screwdrivers back out
[05:57] <lotuspsychje> willc: if its n nvme you might need manual partitioning
[05:58] <lotuspsychje> willc: if its a classic sata ssd and doesnt show at partitioning might be dead, or secure/fastboot settings might be wrong in bios
[05:58] <willc> The HD was working fine, and then it crashed one day and on reboot showed me grub. then when I selected ubuntu and pressed enter it stopped working entirely and the bios stopped appearing
[05:59] <willc> black screen on boot and that is all
[06:00] <willc> kingston 120gb ssdnow v+
[06:02] <lotuspsychje> willc: can you go check the settings in bios on secureboot and fastboot?
[06:04] <willc> fastboot is off
[06:05] <willc> no mention of secureboot
[06:05] <lotuspsychje> willc: and legacy or uefi boot?
[06:06] <willc> UEFI was on, but I just turned it back off
[06:06] <willc> haven't booted with it off yet
[06:06] <lotuspsychje> try
[06:08] <willc> "Booting from local disk... boot error"
[06:09] <lotuspsychje> hmm weird
[06:09] <EriC^^> willc: switch the uefi back on..
[06:09] <willc> maybe it is a dead drive
[06:09] <EriC^^> willc: do you have a live usb you could use to troubleshoot
[06:10] <willc> EriC^^, yea. Ubuntu 20.04 live usb
[06:15] <EriC^^> willc: boot it up
[06:20] <willc> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda returns: /dev/sda1 * 2048 ########## ########## 119.5G c w95 fat32 (lba)
[06:20] <willc> nothing else is listed
[06:20] <willc> ### is a bunch of numbers
[06:26] <willc> I'll assume it to be a dead drive
[06:28] <willc> EriC^^, booted it up; nothing has changed
[06:29] <willc> The ubuntu installed crashes when I try to select a drive
[06:29] <willc> when I press + because there are no drives apaprently?
[06:33] <EriC^^> willc:  can you get a terminal?
[06:33] <willc> I have terminal access using the ubuntu live usb, yes
[06:38] <EriC^^> willc: do you have an internet connection on it?
[06:39] <willc> yes
[06:40] <EriC^^> willc: type 'sudo parted -ls | nc termbin.com 9999'
[06:40] <EriC^^> copy link here
[06:43] <willc> http://termbin.com/qlhb
[06:44] <willc> looks like only the usb is listed
[06:45] <lotuspsychje> weird, cause ssd's dont die easy
[06:46] <EriC^^> willc: did you change any ahci/raid/rapid storage settings or similar in the bios?
[06:46] <willc> EriC^^, no.
[06:46] <EriC^^> bad connection perhaps?
[06:47] <willc> It was an old laptop that I had ubuntu running on. One day I was using nano writing some code (html/js) and then it froze. Upon reboot I saw the grub menu. Selected ubuntu and from then on it wouldn't boot.
[06:48] <willc> So I had taken the harddrive out of the laptop and put it into another laptop in hopes that it might work, or that I could reformat it, but nothing.
[06:48] <willc> So I am assuming at this point a dead drive?
[06:49] <willc> thank you for your feedback lotuspsychje and EriC^^
[06:49] <EriC^^> i think so too, willc
[06:49] <EriC^^> no problem willc
[06:50] <willc> I saw some kingston hds on sale. maybe I'll get two and have two working laptops!
[06:50] <willc> heh
[06:50] <EriC^^> sounds good
[07:00] <lotuspsychje> willc: what i usually do on possible dead media, is try to scan them a last time with photorec, if it doesnt show there, its mostly dead
[07:01] <lotuspsychje> !info testdisk | willc
[07:39] <Kaidok5797> Is there a flavor of Ubuntu that works well on an old netbook that has an education focus like Edubuntu did since thats now no more?
[07:49] <guiverc> Kaidok5797, the age and architecture of the netbook is first in decision. I'd probably look at what software you'd use, and then decide which flavor next  (depending on resources, some apps will run best on some DEs, so resources available would for me decide how critical or weight should go on flavor)
[07:53] <Kaidok5797> Well I'm just trying to kinda of recycle a machine i found and give to a family who is home schooling. This is just for grade school kids. Its an old Asus Eee PC 1000HEB
[07:53] <Kaidok5797> guiverc ^^^
[07:55] <guiverc> I have a asus eeepc 1000HE which I used for testing Lubuntu 18.04.5 LTS, mine has a intem atom N270 only in it, so is limited to x86/32-bit, 1GB of RAM.  On mine, i'd restrict it to Lubuntu 18.04 LTS myself  Yes I also tested Xubuntu, Kubuntu.. on it too, but Lubuntu was lighter, who much RAM do you have?
[07:55] <guiverc> s/intem/intel
[07:57] <guiverc> for packages, you can add `edubuntu-desktop` (https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/edubuntu-desktop) but if you want to restrict it for certain age kids, look in the post and you'll note preschool, primary, secondary, tertiary packages if needed
[07:58] <guiverc> looking at it, if you prefer xubuntu; it'd be my second choice.. kubuntu third... difference between them isn't that significant (will vary on your ram available though)
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> This is the exact same one guiverc that you have
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> I will try lubuntu 18.04.5 LTS on it and see how that runs
[07:59] <Kaidok5797> Thanks a TON for your suggestions and help guiverc
[08:04] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: there's also a few meta packages with a lot of EDU packages inside on the repos too
[08:05] <Kaidok5797> Awesome.... thank you!
[08:09] <nikolam> I just wonder.. why every now and then, lxc machine looses network connection.. is it because network connection for it is visible in "network connections" applet in tray, and get deleted, or is it becuase of updates etc
[08:10] <nikolam> Also I think that when lxc is using bridged connection, main LAN connection get interrupted for a second, when bringing up lxc machine..
[08:12] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: https://www.fossmint.com/best-linux-educational-software-for-kids/
[08:20] <Kaidok5797> lotuspsychje Thanks a TON!
[08:20] <lotuspsychje> Kaidok5797: welcome, dont mind the ppa's on the article, most of those are on the repos already
[08:21] <Kaidok5797> 10-4.... wow this is exactly what I needed. VERY helpful!
[08:40] <nikolam> I think I needed to destroy and re-create lxc machine at least 2 times already after ubuntu updates, wonder if that is how lxc works and in ubuntu or I am wrong
[08:51] <leibniz[m]> What is that `kde-frameworks-5-qt-5-14-core18`? I don't remember installing it
[08:51] <leibniz[m]> http://i.imgur.com/LyYsiE4.png
[08:53] <tomreyn> try asking in #kubuntu if this is a kubuntu installation
[08:54] <guiverc> KDE Frameworks for Qt5 is used by many KDE apps; sorry I can't be more specific than that
[08:55] <leibniz[m]> guiverc: I have only VScode installed via snaps.
[08:56] <guiverc> alas I don't use VScode so don't know what toolkits it uses
[09:13] <Paddy_NI> Is there anyway to make Ubuntu start with only one of two displays active?
[09:13] <Paddy_NI> Without unplugging cables etc
[09:14] <Paddy_NI> The main reason for me needing this is that I have a pretty long DisplayPort to HDMI cable run across the room here and it's plugged into a TV which Ubuntu insists is "Display 1" and the login screen appears on that.
[09:15] <Paddy_NI> My actual main display is plugged into the DVI port and is recognised as "Display 2". This is ideally where I want the login window to appear.
[09:43] <guiverc> Paddy_NI, I don't know if the login/greeter/DM is your issue, but I switched to sddm for many machines as greeter appears all screens, allowing me to have screens turned off
[09:44] <gebbione> hi folks, facing a dual screen detecting problem after the last update
[09:44] <gebbione> tried to use an older kernel at boot time but it has not worked
[09:45] <gebbione> the only problem i see in the journal is - Aug 29 10:41:59 bizmate-i7 kernel: [drm:radeon_init [radeon]] *ERROR* No UMS support in radeon module!
[09:46] <gebbione> i ll try removing nomodeset
[10:19] <gebbione> running a search in files, nautilus, hangs the window and eventually pops up with the suggestion to kill files as it is stuck. What might be happening?
[11:29] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, I might give that a go. I remember sddm from back when I used Arch.
[11:30] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, It's still a bit odd that you cannot dictate which display the stock Ubuntu greeter appears on all the same. Or you cannot control whether a monitor is on or off using the display settings dialogue.
[11:31] <Paddy_NI> At the moment I have to do "xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --off"
[11:31] <Paddy_NI> I have to do this to turn it back on "xrandr --output DisplayPort-0 --auto --right-of DVI-0"
[11:32] <guiverc> Paddy_NI, I have no idea not knowing enough about the internals and how it works.. as I understand it the kernel gets given details by the hardware (though the kernel module/driver software has some part too)
[11:33] <Paddy_NI> guiverc, Interesting, I wish I understood this stuff better myself.  It's not ideal that I have to trouble others with my problems :-)
[11:33] <Paddy_NI> Thank you for the recommendation, I will look into switching my greeter.
[11:34] <guiverc> we're a community, trying to help each other when we can is part of living in a community
[12:19] <elias_a> Paddy_NI: You could also look the other way around: your problems are also real and communicating them to community is a part of the development process. This is the way I see Open Source. :)
[13:10] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:10] <luna_> Hi
[13:57] <revolve> Is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair still the recommended way to fix a faulty GRUB2 installation?
[13:57] <rander2> hello
[13:58] <rander2> a start job is running for raise network interfaces # at the start up
[13:59] <rander2> http://paste.debian.net/1161703/
[13:59] <rander2> how may I solve it ?
[14:16] <Intelo> I want to select the portion of camera screen that I want to share with video converancing tools. I do not want to just show all the screen that my web webcam has. Any solutions?
[14:22] <revolve> Is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair still the recommended way to fix a faulty GRUB2 installation?
[14:49] <p0a> Hello I am trying to hibernate from the command line with `systemctl hibernate' on ubuntu 20.04. I think the command does not work however. What is the right thing to do?
[14:59] <TheWild> hello
[14:59] <TheWild> Ubuntu Server. I have trouble running X as non-root user. Where's the catch?
[15:00] <TheWild> when I do "su ubuntu" within the X session ran as root, no program can access the display.
[15:01] <compdoc> ubuntu is your user name?
[15:01] <TheWild> yes
[15:02] <prp-e> Hey guys, I debootstrapped ubuntu, I tried to install the kernel on it (to make a live disc) and it seems initramfs hasn't been generated. What packages should I install?
[15:02] <prp-e> I have written this script for making a live debian system : https://github.com/Caprice-Linux/live_image
[15:03] <silv3r_m00n> hi there i have intel hd630 igpu in i5-7400, i ran glmark2 to check gpu strength, when running glmark2 from installed Ubuntu the score comes to 3474 and when running ubuntu live from usb the score comes to around 2283, why is there such a big difference ?
[15:03] <p0a> silv3r_m00n: because ubuntu live is not as efficient as installed ubuntu, in short
[15:05] <silv3r_m00n> p0a: is there a big difference as such ?
[15:05] <p0a> silv3r_m00n: the metrics have not been explained and therefore it is impossible to say what is big and what is not
[15:06] <leftyfb> silv3r_m00n: the live usb is not a properly installed system and cannot be used to compare performance
[15:07] <compdoc> TheWild, some of my programs use X, so I have never had to work with it directly, but I wonder if you should look at file permissions in your ubuntu user home directory. for me, working with root like that has changed permissions on my files instead of root's files
[15:07] <silv3r_m00n> p0a: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/t8ydgZmpzN/
[15:08] <leftyfb> silv3r_m00n: the live installer is not meant to gather performance metrics.
[15:08] <silv3r_m00n> alright, i would accept so
[15:09] <p0a> silv3r_m00n: the gpu does not exist in vacuum. https://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?t=385486
[15:11] <TheWild> compdoc: I've changed permissions to /home/ubuntu/.Xauthority so that ubuntu can read and write it
[15:11] <TheWild> but it didn't help
[15:13] <compdoc> all files in the ubuntu home folder should be owned by user:group ubuntu:ubuntu. Why do you switch to root to run x, then run su ubuntu? Is your root account activated?
[15:14] <compdoc> I mean can you log in as the root user?
[15:14] <compdoc> log into the console or remotely
[15:14] <TheWild> because startx straight from ubuntu account doesn't work. For some odd reason it ends with segmentation fault.
[15:14] <compdoc> oh, vnc?
[15:15] <TheWild> no
[15:15] <p0a> TheWild: Get a core dump
[15:16] <compdoc> the seg fault might be for other reasons that need to be fixed
[15:17] <p0a> silv3r_m00n: just looking at the source code of glmark2 you will see that it is meant to be run on an idle system
[15:17] <p0a> silv3r_m00n: that is, if you have a busy system, glmark2 will give you false benchmarks. So it makes sense that a liveCD is also giving you 'false' benchmarks
[15:19] <p0a> It is written in high-level C++ with basic timing routines. It's 'good enough' for its purpose but it's not meant to be foolproof (and the license informs you of that fact as well)
[15:20] <TheWild> trying to launch startx from *ordinary 80x25 text mode* seems to be the culprit
[15:20] <TheWild> I've removed nomodeset from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX, did update-grub and now it works
[15:20] <TheWild> looks liek something has no permissions to switch from text mode to graphical mode
[15:21] <TheWild> s/liek/like/
[15:24] <silv3r_m00n> p0a: i found the reason behind the difference.... when running glmark2 the rendering window must be fully visible and not covered by any other window like a terminal or browser or so.... i mistakenly ran glmark2 on the install ubuntu system hidden behind the console which propelled the fps and resulting in a wrong higher score
[15:24] <silv3r_m00n> after fixing this, both live and installed ubuntu system are giving similar scores
[15:26] <p0a> silv3r_m00n: ok so you had hid the rendering window and had gotten a higher score? Credits to glmark2 for giving similar scores after the fix then :)
[15:26] <p0a> sorry, had hidden*
[15:26] <silv3r_m00n> p0a correct, when glmark is hidden behind some other window, rendering speeds up giving higer fps and higher scores... because the gpu does not have to draw to monitor
[15:37] <Hilikus> how come the software updater or any other update software in ubuntu is not prompting me to do a full release update? i'm using 18.04 and i've been waiting for the 20.04.1 thinking that that's when i would get prompted but it hasn't. i know i can for the update by hand, but i want to understand why ubuntu is not prompting me for it. in "software
[15:37] <Hilikus> and updates" i have "notify me of a new ubuntu version" at "for long term support versions"
[15:38] <p0a> Hilikus: 18.04 is EOL or not?
[15:39] <Hilikus> i don't know. i don't think so
[15:39] <jeremy31> Ubuntu 18.04 is not EOL
[15:39] <Belial> nope. 16.04 is still supported too.
[15:39] <p0a> Hilikus: Typically LTS users do not want to upgrade, they want to stay with the same release for as long as possible.
[15:41] <ioria> Hilikus, https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/08/ubuntu-20-04-upgrade-notification-delay
[15:42] <p0a> Hilikus: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle with 18.04 you're good until ~2028
[15:43] <Hilikus> p0a then the option for "notify me of a new ubuntu version' would be called "only after End Of Life of my version". the option clearly says notify me of a new version when theres a new long term support
[15:44] <Hilikus> ioria ah ok. interesting. thank you. so i guess canonical is just not ready. i'll wait then
[15:44] <ioria> Hilikus, you're welcome
[15:45] <p0a> Hilikus: okay, my bad then.
[15:46] <Intelo> Whats the effect called when music sound in background is dimmed when someone speaks and raise automatically when speaking is stop? How can I get it in kdenlive/ (or any other suggestions)?
[15:49] <p0a> Intelo: https://manual.audacityteam.org/man/auto_duck.html
[15:49] <Intelo> hm
[15:49] <Intelo> p0a: thanks!
[15:49] <Intelo> p0a: you use kdenlive?
[15:50] <p0a> Intelo: Nope :) sorry.
[15:51] <Intelo> ok
[15:55] <_jak> Hi! Is there any way to use the connection applet thingy from the default gnome-shell/mutter envrionment with another window manager, like xmonad?
[15:59] <p0a> _jak: haskell.org wiki says "You can't use part of mutter plus part of some other window manager." https://wiki.haskell.org/Xmonad/Using_xmonad_in_Gnome This may be old information, confirm with respective channels for xmonad and/or mutter
[16:02] <tomreyn> _jak: read the network-manager-gnome package description and check its recursive dependencies list.
[16:04] <tomreyn> apt-rdepends network-manager-ssh-gnome:  https://termbin.com/1rn2
[16:05] <kinghat> if i rerun cp -av on a dir of data that ive already copied over i dont get the overwrite warning that i get if i do it in a test dir and im not sure why that would be 🤷‍♂️
[16:08] <j`ey> Im on rpi4, which is the correct qemu package if I want to run aarch64 files w/ kvm? is it qemu-kvm? because that says "QEMU Full virtualization on x86 hardware"
[16:08] <tomreyn> _jak: see above for the dependencies. and here's the package description:  apt show network-manager-ssh-gnome | grep -A100 '^Description': https://termbin.com/htz1
[16:09] <_jak> tomreyn: thanks!
[16:09] <tomreyn> j`ey: kvm is architecture specific https://www.linux-kvm.org/page/Main_Page
[16:10] <tomreyn> you can use qemu without the acceleration
[16:10] <j`ey> tomreyn: arm64 supports kvm too
[16:11] <rr123> my wired ethernet shows "cable unplugged" under settings, why ubuntu keeps sending dhcp requests(255.255.255.255) via this interface? I would expect the system won't do anything until cable is on or the interface is active?
[16:11] <rr123> it's bothering as it fills up my log
[16:11] <ioria> _jak,  can't you run 'nm-applet' with that wm ?
[16:12] <rr123> i probably can turn off its 'connect automatically', or 'dhcp' from settings, but what about one day I have cable plugged back?
[16:12] <rr123> as long as cable is unplugged, it should not really, do anything on that interface
[16:12] <p0a> rr123: find which process sends that message
[16:12] <rr123> p0a: dhclient
[16:13] <rr123> not sure why 4 dhclients are running
[16:13] <tomreyn> j`ey: qemu-kvm doesn't, though, as frar as i know.
[16:14] <p0a> rr123: configure dhclient to not do that :)
[16:14] <rr123> managed by systemd, i don't recall did anything there manually
[16:14] <Intelo> How to truely get copyright/royalty free background music for videos to be used anywhere like youtube, tv, any site?
[16:15] <p0a> Intelo: classic cat (https://www.classiccat.net/) has some. Read on https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/ as well to see a license that may be of interest.
[16:17] <p0a> Intelo: there's also music on archive.org. Check the license as usual.
[16:18] <rr123> it's eye-opener when I start to view the log lively: gnome-shell: Failed to load background 'file:///home/rr123': Error opening file /home/rr123: Is a directory
[16:18] <Sbur3> This is less an Ubuntu question, though I'm using Ubuntu, so ... I would like to recover the e-mails of a specific account and set it up (if possible) like a conversation in that the account was used to communicate with one person.  Look at the exchanges like it was a play like Romeo and Juliette
[16:18] <rr123> again this just fills my log, as it repeats every one minute or so
[16:19] <Sbur3> Would archiving it do the trick?
[16:23] <Intelo> p0a: what about youtube audio library? Can that be used off youtube sites?
[16:23] <Intelo> p0a: also very importantly,  it happens that the license changes with time and you get sued/turned off monitization etc from youtube or other sources. What to do at that point?
[16:24] <TheWild> what's the earliest script that Linux runs?
[16:29] <p0a> Intelo: What is a youtube audio library and how does it (or your other questions) relate to ubuntu?
[16:29] <Intelo> p0a: my questions and your recent two answers do not relate to ubuntu
[16:29] <Intelo> :)
[16:30] <pavlos> TheWild: pid 1 ... init
[16:32] <TheWild> pavlos: thanks. I just found out that /sbin/init is a symlink to /lib/systemd/systemd. Something has to launch /sbin/init anyway. Is this GRUB?
[16:33] <TheWild> and is "/sbin/init" hardcoded or it attempts to launch "init" by looking at directories defined in $PATH... wait, is $PATH available at this point at all?
[16:35] <p0a> TheWild: https://opensource.com/article/17/2/linux-boot-and-startup
[16:39] <p0a> TheWild: this is also informative with regards to systemd specifically; https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/bootup.html
[17:02] <pavlos> TheWild: grub passes control to the kernel which calls systemd (the links posted by p0a explain ...
[17:12] <TheWild> I'll take a read. Thanks.
[17:23] <leibniz[m]> What is the name of the monospace or sans font? I don't want to hard code a name in my conig
[17:45] <TheWild> Linkandzelda: if you don't want a particular monospace font then I think "Monospace" alone would work.
[17:45] <TheWild> the same for sans: "Sans".
[17:47] <Intelo> I want to select the portion of camera screen that I want to share with video converancing tools. I do not want to just show all the screen that my web webcam has. Any solutions?
[17:51] <tomreyn> Intelo: is your question ubuntu related this time?
[18:03] <Intelo> tomreyn:  ofcourse
[18:07] <coconut> Intelo, i think there is no base as such for webcam(as far as i know). You would have to do that from the video converance tool software.
[18:07] <Intelo> coconut: there are such apps for windows as a confirmed statment
[18:08] <coconut> Intelo, then search for a linux version of the same software
[18:08] <Intelo> coconut: that does not exists
[18:08] <Intelo> hence asking here
[18:09] <Intelo> coconut: https://www.xsplit.com/vcam
[18:09] <Intelo> this can do it but for windows only
[18:10] <coconut> Intelo, there is a linux version of zoom, maybe that would do as alternative? -> https://zoom.us/download#client_4meeting
[18:11] <Intelo> coconut: sir, I already have zoom and this question is not about zoom
[18:11] <Intelo> I want to select the portion of camera screen that I want to share with video converancing tools. I do not want to just show all the screen that my web webcam has. Any solutions?
[18:11] <Intelo> coconut: repaste for you ^
[18:11] <coconut> i see
[18:11] <coconut> i cannot help then, sorry
[18:11] <Intelo> via the desired app, the camera will be visible as a new source (view tha pp)
[18:12] <Intelo> app)*
[18:12] <Intelo> coconut: someone else might. I can wait.
[18:13] <coconut> Intelo, all i know that "programming wise" this should be done from xsplit itself.
[18:14] <Intelo> coconut: no idea
[18:16] <geosmile> is there a way to schedule a cron job when the cpu/disk is not being used much?
[18:16] <neeosy> @geosmile you could set up a cron and the program could check for cpu usage before it runs
[18:17] <neeosy> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9229333/how-to-get-overall-cpu-usage-e-g-57-on-linux
[18:20] <Mar22> Hey, I'm trying to resize a windows partition from Ubuntu 20.04 and then absorve the newly freed space into /home. The partition is less than 20% full, is there any risk of data loss? And also, I've read that in order to expand a partition I have to free space "next to it", is that right?
[18:22] <p0a> geosmile: although if you want to run a program when the cpu/disk usage is low, it sounds like a daemon
[18:22] <p0a> not a cron job
[18:24] <coconut> Mar22, you need to make steps as small as possible, and from a live environment. Backing is always advised, but if they all do that???
[18:24] <coconut> s/backing/backing up
[18:24] <geosmile> p0a, thnkas
[18:27] <Mar22> what's a live enviroment and what do you mean by steps? I'm sorry I'm a newbie
[18:28] <p0a> Mar22: there's no risk of data loss if you do it correctly, and it's not too hard
[18:28] <coconut> Mar22, from a live usb iso so that nothing is mounted when you use gparted
[18:28] <p0a> Mar22: How this will be accomplished largely depends on your partition tool
[18:30] <p0a> Mar22: you can't partition your hard drive while you boot from it; you need to boot from another medium. A live CD is an operating system that boots from usb (or dvd). You can also boot from another hard drive.
[18:30] <coconut> Mar22, with small steps i mean that you do the opposite of just creating an end result, so that possible problems are avoided. ## i have to go and watch tv now.
[18:34] <p0a> Mar22: here is a guide for GNOME 'Disks'. https://help.gnome.org/users/gnome-help/stable/disk-resize.html.en
[18:34] <Mar22> thanks!
[18:34] <p0a> Mar22: you would first resize the windows partition to make it smaller; then you'd resize /home to make it larger.
[18:34] <p0a> Mar22: this needs to be done from a live CD
[18:36] <p0a> and backing up is important in case of failure (say, power surge while you partition...)
[18:38] <p0a> Does anyone know how I can hibernate from the command line? I've tried `systemctl hibernate' but it does not work
[18:38] <p0a> I'm using ubuntu 20.04
[19:09] <puzzola> p0a: I am not an expert but the scratches in the dirt say to install pm-utils and then you'll have a command called pm-hibernate
[19:13] <tomreyn> systemctl hibernate should do the right thing, if it works on this system
[19:14] <tomreyn> now if p0a told us *what* about it does not work, we could look into this more
[19:19] <p0a> I'm sorry, `failed to authenticate system via logind: Access denied.' with authentication for org.freedesktop.systemd1.manage-units to start hibernate.targets
[19:20] <p0a> I forgot to mention what fails. While I can shutdown the system, I can not hibernate. I think I need to configure something...
[19:27] <tomreyn> p0a: did you run it with or without sudo?
[19:29] <tomreyn> is the system fully up to date?
[19:29] <tomreyn> !uptodate
[19:41] <acebrianjuan> Hi folks, I have an HDD with Windows and an SDD with Ubuntu and my PC only has one slot for one disk
[19:42] <acebrianjuan> I was using the Ubuntu SDD and had to switch to Windows to find some old files, so I disconnected the SDD and connected the HDD with Windows on it
[19:43] <acebrianjuan> And for a few days switching the disks worked just fine
[19:43] <acebrianjuan> The different operating systems booted up from the disks just fine
[19:44] <acebrianjuan> But today I'm getting error: file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found
[19:44] <acebrianjuan> Entering rescue mode...
[19:45] <acebrianjuan> and I end up with a grub rescue> shell
[19:46] <acebrianjuan> I was expecting the Windows startup window to show up, but got that error instead
[19:47] <acebrianjuan> Does anybody know why I get this error?
[19:47] <acebrianjuan> Thank you
[19:49] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: chances is that the windows installation broke the grub boot loader installation. it's not used to co-exist with other OSes.
[19:50] <tomreyn> you'd need to find a way to repair or reinstall grub now.
[19:51] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: this PC had Windows previously installed and I bought a new SDD where I installed Ubuntu
[19:52] <tomreyn> you have not mentioned which (somewhat special, with just one sata (?) connector) hardware you have there, which ubuntu release you have installed. this is usually useful contextual information.
[19:52] <acebrianjuan> Xubuntu 20.04 LTS
[19:52] <acebrianjuan> on the SDD
[19:53] <acebrianjuan> and Windows 8.1 on the HDD
[19:53] <acebrianjuan> PC model is a Dell Latitude D420
[19:54] <tomreyn> oh its a laptop, ok
[19:54] <acebrianjuan> My first question is, can we really switch OSs by switching physical drives as I was doing?
[19:55] <tomreyn> searchign the web for "file '/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found" brings up https://askubuntu.com/questions/266429/error-file-grub-i386-pc-normal-mod-not-found
[19:55] <acebrianjuan> If one day I need Windows then I plug the Windows HDD
[19:55] <acebrianjuan> if the next day I need Ubuntu I plug the SDD with Ubuntu
[19:55] <tomreyn> generally, you can switch this way, until one of the systems decides it is to be the only one and overwrites the other, or its boot loader, as it may have happened here
[19:56] <acebrianjuan> I thought the bootloader was installed on the physical drives
[19:56] <tomreyn> hmm, you're right, what i said makes no sense, sorry
[19:57] <acebrianjuan> Maybe it is installed on the BIOS I don't know
[19:57] <tomreyn> it's only installed on the disk if you're bios booting, which, according to the error message, you seem to be doing at least for ubuntu
[19:57] <delita> i wonder if windows updates can overwrite your bootloader
[19:58] <acebrianjuan> Because otherwise how would GRUB fire up when the Windows HDD is plugged? Like I'm experiencing now
[19:58] <tomreyn> grub couldn't really have been written to the windows hdd, unless ubuntu was running and the windows hdd connected, i guess
[20:00] <coconut> delita, ms would be able, yes, but in practice afaik this only happens when installing the whole operating system
[20:01] <p0a> tomreyn: without sudo, it's up to date
[20:01] <p0a> tomreyn: I'd like to be able to hibernate without sudo
[20:02] <acebrianjuan> this: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1155626/to-boot-windows-in-my-hard-disk-from-grub-rescue-mode
[20:02] <tomreyn> p0a: what do you mean by "without sudo, it's up to date"?
[20:03] <p0a> tomreyn: I did not run `systemctl hibernate' with sudo, and my system is up to date, replying to your previous questions.
[20:04] <p0a> (Admittedly, from a while ago)
[20:04] <tomreyn> p0a: does the system hibernate fine if you run "sudo systemctl hibernate", though?
[20:04] <coconut> delita, have you seen any rumours or news that they are doing that?
[20:04] <p0a> tomreyn: yeah
[20:04] <tomreyn> p0a: so then i guess everything works as intended
[20:05] <p0a> Right. Is it possible to hibernate without sudo?
[20:05] <tomreyn> yes, if you're logged in as root
[20:05] <delita> coconut, i was just guessin. sounds like some bs they'd do
[20:06] <coconut> delita, just not smart if they would...
[20:06] <tomreyn> p0a: disabling secure boot should also allow for it
[20:06] <p0a> tomreyn: I want to leave my laptop at my office, is that dangerous to do?
[20:07] <p0a> Not worried about it getting stolen, but malware/etc.
[20:07] <tomreyn> p0a: i don't know your office, can't tell whether it's dangerous there.
[20:07] <p0a> I suppose hibernation wouldn't do much as someone can just shut it down and plug in a usb
[20:07] <p0a> nevermind tomreyn I'm just not smart enough to secure my laptop in that environment
[20:08] <delita> p0a, if someone has physical access to your device, that pretty much bypasses a lot of security things you may have
[20:08] <p0a> right
[20:09] <acebrianjuan> Ok, so my guess is that during one of the Windows updates the GRUB bootloader was changed/deleted and now I got this mess
[20:09] <delita> just boot from another OS of a USB and get all of your files. if you encrypted everything, then maybe you're cool. but i don't see any other way of being safe
[20:11] <acebrianjuan> Can I restore GRUB with a Ubuntu Live USB? Maybe?
[20:12] <p0a> delita: even then someone can put a hardware keylogger, or rig your laptop otherwise
[20:12] <p0a> delita: or even a camera that records what you type
[20:12] <tomreyn> !recoveringgrub | acebrianjuan
[20:14] <acebrianjuan> tomreyn: Thanks for that!
[20:14] <tomreyn> acebrianjuan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/Installing#Fixing_a_Broken_System
[21:33] <Doc-Saintly> I'm using a Lenovo Miix 520 and I noticed that the function keys are always on their "special" mode, so it's doing things like volume up/down. I've done testing and it seems like the computer can't see the "Fn" key being pressed. Is there a solution to this? I would like to have use of the function key toggle on this computer.
[21:51] <Doc-Saintly> I've now seen that I can use xkb or xmodmap to manually map between the two keys, but I'm wondering if there's an actual fix for toggling the Fn lock on the keyboard as expected
[22:03] <oerheks> Doc-Saintly, you might want to put this in writing on askubuntu too
[22:03] <oerheks> i find no fix/simular reports
[22:12] <Doc-Saintly> thanks. most of the posts I see are about just mapping the keys manually.
[22:14] <Mrokii> Doc-Saintly: I'm not using Ubuntu (Gnome) anymore, but in earlier versions there was a section in the keyboard-preferences where one could change the behaviour of all kinds of special keys, like alt, win or whatever. In a way that they behave like that automatically. Maybe have a look in system preferences where you can configure your keyboard.
[22:15] <Mrokii> Doc-Saintly:Take a look if there's something for the fn-key as well.
[22:15] <Doc-Saintly> Mrokii, yea, unfortunately the fn key is acting at the hardware level based on xev output
[22:16] <Doc-Saintly> which leaves firmware / kernel changes or remapping in software level as far as i can tell
[22:20] <Mrokii> I guess using a changed xmodmap is a way to go, but I haven't used these for years, so I have no clue how and what to change.
[22:21] <Mrokii> Doc-Saintly: Have you checked askubuntu.com for a solution? If not, that's a good place to ask.
[22:22] <dw1> whats the easiest way to get full system suppor for emojis in focal
[22:22] <Doc-Saintly> I'll give it a try, but I don't think I've ever gotten an answer from there :(
[22:23] <Mrokii> Okay.
[22:26] <Mrokii> Doc-Saintly: I've just found a document that mentions some bios-settings (albeit for a different problem, swapping ctrl and fn-key). Have you looked there? Maybe there are more options than that.
[22:26] <Mrokii> https://support.lenovo.com/nl/en/solutions/ht074187
[22:27] <Doc-Saintly> Mrokii, - thanks, but that bios setting doesn't exist for this model :(
[22:27] <Mrokii> Damn.
[22:29] <Doc-Saintly> Thanks. I'll wait on the question some before I move on to remapping the keyboard. Have a good one. :)
[22:29] <Doc-Saintly> ah - one other question. Is there an easier utility for quickly remapping a keyboard instead of digging around for the key codes with xev and writing the config files?
[22:30] <Doc-Saintly> Something where I can just press the source key and then the target key.
[22:31] <Mrokii> I don't know unfortunately. Haven't done this in years, and back then I was using xev as well to manually create the changes I needed.
[22:32] <Doc-Saintly> :( seems like a common enough hang-up for people moving to linux (since many mfgs rely on windows drivers to make their stuff work), it's surprising there's not a utility, or perhaps a repository of key mapping fixes.
[22:35] <Mrokii> Yeah, there are probably more people with similar problems.
[22:48] <tomreyn> Doc-Saintly: i'm pretty sure you can control this in the uefi / bios setup utility, if anywhere.
[22:49] <tomreyn> i have a laptop (different manufacturer, though), which does the same thing, and has 'bios' options for both this and the other setting Mrokii mentioned, too
[22:49] <tomreyn> some bioses have settings hidden by default, and you need to press a certain key combo (possibly undocumented) to unlock extra menus
[23:10] <willc> lotuspsychje and EriC^^ : bought a new HD today. Had the same errors happening. Created a Gparted liveboot. Partitioned the drive and now it seems to be working. Which makes me wonder what happened to the other hard drives boot sequence that it appears unpartitioned.
[23:19] <Bashing-om> willc: Partition tables can become corrupted - why there are backups on the drive by default :P
[23:25] <dw1> whats the best way to get full system support for emojis in focal
[23:26] <willc> Hmm. So after using gparted and partitioning the drive, and then rebooting and successfully installing ubuntu on that drive, on boot I get "hard drive not found" - but I know the drive works and is found because i just installed on it... seems to be a boot issue
[23:29] <Bashing-om> willc: Maybe here grub is not finding the config files for the kerenl to boot. Can you boot the liveUSB and mount the drive's root partiton to have a peek ?
[23:33] <willc> booting up now
[23:36] <willc> Bashing-om, what am I looking for? when running "sudo fdisk -l" I see the drive
[23:36] <willc> under "boot" it has *
[23:42] <willc> installing boot-repair
[23:52] <Bashing-om> willc: We are looking for the boot config files on the drive. Show us that fdisk output - maybe this is no more than a EFI issue ? Once we know the target we have a looksee.