 Great discussion. … I believe the biggest part in implementing all this is having atleast one consumer grade, modern hardware that although runs android but also has complete like all the feature support in UT. Pinephone is ok but isn't powerful consumer grade like Snapdragon based phones are... Nexus 5 has complete support, but it
[01:13] <ubptgbot> 's old and not available to purchase by people in market. … If only we can get 1 company to tie up with, and say you make and sell your android phone but help us build UT to it. Once that is done in my opinion there are few apps that are must (atleast for indian audience) they are as follows.
 1. Facebook (but PWA version of it is also ok) … 2. Twitter (PWA version will work too) … 3. WhatsApp (native level support is must to give user experience as in India WhatsApp has payment feature too. But if we approach with a consumer device in market they will atleast try to help out) … 4. UPI based payments apps like Paytm, pho
[01:19] <ubptgbot> nepe, Bhim (these are all Indian based companies, and due to recent self reliance wave here they will easily agree to help) … 5. Doc editing and storage (easy installable Nextcloud services will be more than enough) … 6. Probably a personal assistant like Mycroft integration ( although not really a compulsory feature) … 7. Entertainment apps for mu
[01:19] <ubptgbot> sic, movies etc. Here in India there is Jiomusic,movies and all its indian company so again will help
 8. YouTube is also available as PWA
 What's upi?
 Unified payments interface
 Ah, NFC payment?
 like touch/tap to pay
 It's great payment system only in india, directly linked to one's unique national ID and bank accounts.
 @mateosalta [Ah, NFC payment?], Not nfc. More of qr and mobile phone no. Based
 You can scan qr codes
 Yes
 Also if you have a person's phone no and it is linked to his bank account, you can directly transfer money to him through your contact
 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface
 Checkout Google pay in india on Google... It is also UPI protocol based.... … There are several apps which use UPI in background for payment... This includes even whatsapp in India
 WhatsApp also lets us send money to friends directly in chat if friend and us have our you ids linked with whatsapp
 As for Device manufacturer we have LAVA mobiles which is Indian brand but is not so big here. However due to recent border clashes with China have given rise to big push for local manufacturers... So we have a chance getting their help, going directly to big players won't help as they simply won't care, however these small players
[01:32] <ubptgbot> can help atleast make a respectable base... And Indian people do adopt things fast given their basic needs are satisfied.
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 We have no conrltrol over third parties
 [Edit] We have no control over third parties
 @mrmechanic3000 [WhatsApp also lets us send money to friends directly in chat if friend and us ha …], Sounds like you guys over there do have a very different money behaviour. ☺ But giving Whatsapp control/information about my unique ID and payment details sounds scary to me. I rather trust my coins. 🤓
 UT is in partnership with VollaPhone. They ship with their OS but UT as alternative.
 So step by step.
 I think your basic idea is good. But it is harder to make real than you think.
 It mainly lacks the manpower for initial efforts I guess.
 @mrmechanic3000 [As for Device manufacturer we have LAVA mobiles which is Indian brand but is not …], Along with Lava, I would suggest Micromax as well. As they have developed official Cyanogen powered devices in the past, branded as YU. Those were decent hardware & people accepted those positively.
 Does Ubuntu Touch have biometrics/facial recognition built-in?  … Maybe take a look at Howdy... … https://itsfoss.com/face-unlock-ubuntu/
 @OVSCADMIN [Does Ubuntu Touch have biometrics/facial recognition built-in?  … Maybe take a lo …], Works good. And if you don't want to see notifications everytime authentication is performed , you can update syslog.LOG_AUTH with syslog.LOG_NOTICE in /lib/security/howdy/pam.py
 @OVSCADMIN [Does Ubuntu Touch have biometrics/facial recognition built-in?  … Maybe take a lo …], No, sorry.
 (Photo, 712x67) https://irc.ubports.com/3k3IOm09.png Thats not doable, I stopped reading here:
 Not in 100 years we have space for such a package 😆
 @Flohack [Not in 100 years we have space for such a package 😆], who does not have space for it? :P
 @Flohack [Not in 100 years we have space for such a package 😆], Be careful wrt memory quotations. And as opposed to Bill Gates' 640k quote, yours can be proven now 😁
 600 MB is about the size of for example the entirety of libreoffice. that's a whole lot more functionality than another way of unlocking your phone imo. and even on android devices that officially support face unlocking, results and reliability (and thus security) vary a lot. things may have improved last time i checked some samsung ph
[07:07] <ubptgbot> one would unlock for anyone with eyebrows, or even a picture of someones face.
 [Edit] 600 MB is about the size of for example the entirety of libreoffice. that's a whole lot more functionality than another way of unlocking your phone imo. and even on android devices that officially support face unlocking, results and reliability (and thus security) vary a lot. things may have improved but last time i checked some
[07:08] <ubptgbot>  samsung phone would unlock for anyone with eyebrows, or even a picture of someones face.
 Its simple the fact that we have devices with small flash and therefore smaller cache partitions, if our rootfs explodes it wont be installable anymore
 Also, Android uses probably a lot more of efficient code and has also hardware onboard for this, so less waste of space, but just guessing
 you'd have to move to some sort of minimal install with wifi and/or sd card access, with a huge post-install session to pull in the rest. but then you'd run into trouble during OTA's
 [Edit] you'd have to move to some sort of minimal install with wifi and/or sd card access, with a huge post-install session to pull in the rest. but then you'd run into trouble during the bigger OTA's
 @YougoChats [you'd have to move to some sort of minimal install with wifi and/or sd card acce …], It would get more complex and has a higher chance to fail and I dont think thats justified just for face unlock lol
 it just adds another attack vector.
 and a support  nihgtmare
 [Edit] and a support  nightmare
 The above description sounds like an alternative tobacco that is 100% free of nicotine but works 100% as if it contained nicotine
[08:58] <ubptgbot> <Michael Liu> How to connect internet in Ubuntu touch
 @Michael Liu [How to connect internet in Ubuntu touch], WiFi or Network?
[08:59] <ubptgbot> <Michael Liu> Wifi
 If you dont see switch you may want to check battery settings
 To make switch appear restart unity8 in UTTT
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 guys for whom it is not difficult, a note on a bug, on turbo with a bluetooth headset connected, it is impossible to hear and speak with the interlocutor, there is always an extraneous "white noise"
 @mrmechanic3000 [1. Facebook (but PWA version of it is also ok) … 2. Twitter (PWA version will work …], WhatsApp probably will never come natively to UT, because they ban you from using third party clients and it is against the ToS
 unless someone manages to convince whatsapp to build an official client for ut, which is very very very unlikely at this stage
 I bridge whatsaupp to my matrix-account
 but it is against ToS
 imagine using whatsapp
 @mrmechanic3000 [1. Facebook (but PWA version of it is also ok) … 2. Twitter (PWA version will work …], @matv1 a typical requirement set to be fulfilled by us ^^
 anyone can try a quick test in the camera app? … does the vibration work when taking picture? … I tried on my MX4 and XPeria X and it doesn't seem to work
 @Javacookies [anyone can try a quick test in the camera app? … does the vibration work when taki …], You need to allow 'other vibrations' in system settings AND restart camera app. Then it works. Tested yesterday on my E5.
 Just tested Xperia, works too.
 yeah, I just saw your MR that's exactly what I was about to submit 😂
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/oOJIIzF8.webp
 Does vibrations work for you with the instrucions above?
 I'll just restart my xperia x … front camera stops working everyday 😅
 but so far, my observation is that it only works the first time
 I just confirmed that … it only works the first time
 and I feel like the vibration happens to late...maybe it should be triggered immediately after pressing the shutter button
 Yes, you are right. Only first time working.
 Had to restart too. You mentioned that and camera app broke! 😅
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/SC2AkzeO.webp
 hey everybody. i am using redmi note 7.i have waited a lot but recently got Ubuntu touch port for my device. but Ubuntu Touch is not Android n Google services is missing there. … but as a Linux fan i always wanted ubuntu in my mobile device too. my question is, is there any way to use ubuntu touch in Android using virtualization technolo
[17:16] <ubptgbot> gy or virtualization apps? … or can i use Android apps in ubuntu touch using virtualization or any other way?
 there is not. if you are porting the device you can do the work to get anbox working, but apps will be very limited and slow
 @itsaazim Hi. Not as of now realistically. Anbox should work on RN7, but it is far from being usable on any device
 :'( bad news for me.
 hi i am try flashing my bq e.45.  … Now fastboot oem unlock … over pass 5 minutos, is normal ?
 [Edit] hi i am try flashing my bq E4.5  … Now fastboot oem unlock … over pass 5 minutos, is normal ?
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/4Er7frTV.png
 you have android on the device currently?
 Yes
 you should probably join https://t.me/WelcomePlus for further install help with that. you can't just flash straight from android to UT with the installer, but you need to install the OEM Ubuntu Edition image for the e4.5 first, and then flash using the UBports Installer
 @dohbee [you should probably join https://t.me/WelcomePlus for further install help with …], tks
 @Wioxjk [I bridge whatsaupp to my matrix-account], Don't yku have to have your own matrix server and bridge server?!
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Don't yku have to have your own matrix server and bridge server?!], Yes a couple
 Yeah, thats why I never tried to set one up for my siblings, if you need a server for whats app that links to a matrix server that'd ok I can set that up, but I'm not setting up my own matrix server as well
 @Wioxjk [Atleast it Ubuntu Touch works nicely with my Fairphone 2 :) I hope that it will …], I vote for FP3+ 😎
 @bhuvaneshduvvuri [I thought UT is project explicitly for privacy and security, I'm wrong?], There are proximty tracing application initiatives that attempt to preserve privacy, see https://www.pepp-pt.org/
 Great discussion there people, very interesting to get insight into the workings of the foundation and UT development planning and difficulties around priorities, which mostly seem to revolve around manpower.
 I find it very difficult to sit back and watch the discussion as is the way, I too have preferences in the way I'd like to see UT to go.  Anbox is not high on my list.  I use UT because it is something else, something different.  Its not Andriod or iOS.  Is mass adoption the goal?  I know these are big questions.  Do you continue to do w
[19:34] <ubptgbot> hat you do well or do you spread the net wide as a catch all?
 For me, and the type of user I am, I'd love to see a tight inbuilt Nextcloud integration.  But Im not sure if thats going to catch the masses.
 [Edit] For me, and the type of user I am, I'd love to see a tight inbuilt Nextcloud integration to the core of OS.  But Im not sure if thats going to catch the masses.
 But, I realise everyone wants something different.  Keep up the good work.
 [Edit] But, I realise everyone wants something different.  Keep up the good work.  Im still along for the ride.
 @wayneTBT [I find it very difficult to sit back and watch the discussion as is the way, I t …], We need some limited mass adoption, to get the hardware we want. If we were only software, who cares how many users? But unholy alliance, our software wants to have hardware which tens to break and needs to be replaced. Without hardware we can
[19:39] <ubptgbot> isntall to the software is useless
 Our existing devices are slowly dying, we need some for new users and for us
 well, we need more people using and helping to develop it too
 @Flohack [Our existing devices are slowly dying, we need some for new users and for us], I agree with the point about hardware definitely. Most devices have been android 5 until recently, and 11 out next month lmao
 ideally that would mean companies paying people to work on UT, or making significant contributions to the UBports Foundation, as well
 @dohbee [ideally that would mean companies paying people to work on UT, or making signifi …], I'd donate if I could
 @Flohack [We need some limited mass adoption, to get the hardware we want. If we were only …], Ok, so compatible hardware is an ongoing high priority, it makes sense.
 @wayneTBT [Ok, so compatible hardware is an ongoing high priority, it makes sense.], not zombie hardware more so i guess
 @dohbee [well, we need more people using and helping to develop it too], Sure, devs also want better hardware than 6 year old.
 @Flohack [Sure, devs also want better hardware than 6 year old.], i just want my 4 year old phone to work
 @dohbee [ideally that would mean companies paying people to work on UT, or making signifi …], I'd love to see you folks get some good financial ethical backing.
 Generally money to hire someone comes with some stipulations, which makes us more of a middleman for finding good talent than a direct hiring force, and our partners become the drivers of Ubuntu Touch.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Generally money to hire someone comes with some stipulations, which makes us mor …], Like Volla and Pine64?
 In other words, the company we're working with says "we want to hire someone to work on Anbox" and we say "okay, these people know something about Anbox" and then Anbox moves forward.
 @dohbee [i just want my 4 year old phone to work], I got Nexus 6P to work now, for me its enough for the moment. But people want camera, fingerprint, NFC, wireless charging, double tap to wake etc.
 @UniversalSuperBox [In other words, the company we're working with says "we want to hire someone to …], PH ok
 Ye have been making great headway with devices recently.
 @Flohack [I got Nexus 6P to work now, for me its enough for the moment. But people want ca …], God
 Hell
 @Flohack [I got Nexus 6P to work now, for me its enough for the moment. But people want ca …], qi charging should just work
 has nothing to do with UT
 @Flohack [I got Nexus 6P to work now, for me its enough for the moment. But people want ca …], hah, yes, the wants tend to get piled on quite quickly.
 @UniversalSuperBox [In other words, the company we're working with says "we want to hire someone to …], Understood
 @wayneTBT [hah, yes, the wants tend to get piled on quite quickly.], *laughs in not realising camera was broken on my gsi until I tried taking a selfie in a new dress lmao*
 @amyosx [*laughs in not realising camera was broken on my gsi until I tried taking a self …], My second dress I owned as well lol
 @dohbee [has nothing to do with UT], People dont know what features need sw assistance, they just "want" smth to work. Everything is easy (according to marketing) you dont need to worry about details, thats a lifestyle
 hehehe.
 I suppose a lot of people are coming from android and ios perhaps and those expectations are carried over from that environment.
 I know its unfair to make comparisions there.
 @wayneTBT [I suppose a lot of people are coming from android and ios perhaps and those expe …], Sure, even devs. The more we can cater for them the better
 [Edit] I suppose a lot of people are coming from android and ios perhaps those expectations are carried over from that environment.
 I forgot FM Radio and VoLTE
 well it's hard to develop cool things using NFC when NFC doesn't work
 @Flohack [I forgot FM Radio and VoLTE], hehe, and it goes back to the endless list of wants.
 but NFC and FM don't work on any devices, so 🤷‍♀️
 @wayneTBT [hehe, and it goes back to the endless list of wants.], Yeah its truly endless and we sometimes shift the last item to the front to appear it moving lol
 Despite my previous comments (about tight NC integration), I am very pleased with the UT experience on my Xperia X.  Sure there are some quirks but being part of this community and what has been achieved so far and actually anticipating the release of new features, far outweighs the want to even explore the alternatives (especially the l
[19:51] <ubptgbot> arger ones).
 @wayneTBT [Despite my previous comments (about tight NC integration), I am very pleased wit …], the NC integration is pretty much there btw, just a bit bumpy still
 Sure, it is there for the most part.
 (yes, contacts, as everyone complains)
 I was keeping quiet 😁
 It would be cool if there was a generic way for apps to sync data with NC. So that we are not limited to caldav carddav
 Like, 2FA apps
 Yeah, nice.
 @Flohack [It would be cool if there was a generic way for apps to sync data with NC. So th …], there is; or at least, it was in development and nearly ready in april 2017. we just need to pick up the pieces, finish it, and get it in
 I'd like to introduce you to a project called Keeper which was started very late in the Ubuntu for Devices game...
 @Flohack [Our existing devices are slowly dying, we need some for new users and for us], Yes, that is true. 2G and 3G probably won't be a thing in most countries by the mid 20s, so that'll kill off a lot of devices anyway.
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'd like to introduce you to a project called Keeper which was started very late …], Guess why I said it ^^
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'd like to introduce you to a project called Keeper which was started very late …], storage-framework. keeper was for backups
 Okay
 @Flohack [Our existing devices are slowly dying, we need some for new users and for us], The Volla phone is a nice device, quite powerful.
 storage-framework and time are basically the only thing separating us from many consumer experiences
 storage-framework also solves the "how can my app access the SD card" thing too
 [Edit] storage-framework also solves the "how can my app access the SD card" thing
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 yep. time is separating me from many great things being completed
 Put file in storage-framework, ask for it later
 who cares where it went lol
 @dohbee [ideally that would mean companies paying people to work on UT, or making signifi …], Yes, I think without a company backing the project directly there's only so much the community can do. Companies paying people to work on UT and / or contributing to the foundation would greatly enhance the long term prospects for the project,
[20:05] <ubptgbot>  IMHO.
 @Mokmeister [Yes, I think without a company backing the project directly there's only so much …], Yeah we are working on that. But its also great if we receive donations and can direct them where we think its good. Some bigger sponsors trust us not to fund dumb stuff
 And if we get more of them we can mediate the work seeks worker thingie much better
 Now we need more skilled people, heck even if you offer money there is little response
 cool
 (to your previous two statements!)
 Tech skills are high in demand, it's hard to attract the right people.
 (in response to your last statement!)
 Yes sure. Its not only demand, also the hybrid skillset Android/Linux is not common enough to get us a lot of applicants.
 i don't think that is specifically necessary. i could certainly learn more about anbox in the process of fixing all the other things wrong with anbox that have little to do with android itself
 @dohbee [i don't think that is specifically necessary. i could certainly learn more about …], Yeah but ppl with your flexibility are rare on the market
 tell that to all the companies that keep rejecting my applications :P
 @dohbee [tell that to all the companies that keep rejecting my applications :P], Ha I will!
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/8qFhxRV6.webp
 i'm already registered to vote, thanks though
 @amyosx [<reply to media>], LOL
 @dohbee [i'm already registered to vote, thanks though], Lol
 @Flohack [LOL], That sticker pack is the best
 *2nd best
 Yumi best
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GWQW5GHt.webp
 (Sticker, 484x512) https://irc.ubports.com/GZlYUCEa.webp
 lain best
 @joeth [lain best], astolfo best
 (Sticker, 512x506) https://irc.ubports.com/ubvxHpLJ.webp
 this is not @ubportsof btw
 @dohbee [this is not @ubportsof btw], oops sorry
 Hey, can we make it possible to pick more than one notification time for even in calendar?
 @Flohack [I forgot FM Radio and VoLTE], there is proof-of-concept app for FM radio on MTK
 VoLTE is different level of difficulty though
 @mrcyjanek [Hey, can we make it possible to pick more than one notification time for even in …], open an issue on the calendar app i guess?
 @dohbee [open an issue on the calendar app i guess?], Okay
 but i guess if icalendar format allows it, then it should be technically possible for someone to do
 @mrcyjanek [Okay], Ah it's on gitlab..
 I'll open it in the morning
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