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 @mariogrip heyo
 I now have a PinePhone 3G.
 nice, mine is here too
 It seems the latest image does not boot on the 3GB model sadly.
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 There is a patch that is not yet accepted in upstream u-boot that fixes that
 I've been trying to build it, but it has not been going well
 https://gitlab.com/pine64-org/crust-meta/-/jobs/714823033
 If someone can get that to build, there can be images for the PinePhone 3GB.
 the images for the 3gb variant is separate? I thought it'll just work
 The RAM in the 3GB variant is dual-rank, there was no handling for that inside open source u-boot before: https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-share-of-windows-7/
 That is not the right link
 https://gitlab.com/pine64-org/crust-meta/-/blob/3gb-pinephone/0001-dual-rank-ram.patch
 I see, but with that upstreamed, there shouldn't be separate images right?
[03:23] <ubptgbot> <W T> Hello all. Does anyone understand lxc containers?
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[03:25] <ubptgbot> <W T> (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/u1VIbNMQ.png What could be the problem?
[03:25] <ubptgbot> <W T> (Photo, 591x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/zkIDjgMW.png
 @Javacookies [I see, but with that upstreamed, there shouldn't be separate images right?], There won't be separate images. It needs to build at all to get it into an image.
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/omTaxbIJ.webp
 okay, thanks
 is there any news if OTA-13 will push through this week?
 @Javacookies [is there any news if OTA-13 will push through this week?], We got some criticals, there is a small risk of delay. Since today we gonna make a new RC probably, and it needs testing. On top of that I am not sure if all 60 issues have been verified already by QA team ^^
 okay, thanks for the information 👍
 I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Xperia x Performance.  The SIM card is not recognized.  What am I doing wrong?
 have you tried rebooting? mine wasn't detected until I rebooted
 @Javacookies [have you tried rebooting? mine wasn't detected until I rebooted], Yes I did
 did it work when it still has android?
 maybe you inserted the sim incorrectly? … when I put mine, I was a bit confused if I inserted it correctlty or in the wrong side
 are there any UT device without orientation sensor?
 not present or not working?
 OTA's leave it in some bad state on my OPO and my FP2, rebooting fixes it
 @Javacookies [are there any UT device without orientation sensor?], Raspberry pi3
 @Aury88 [Raspberry pi3], Haha, true
 @tlatsch [I installed Ubuntu Touch on my Xperia x Performance.  The SIM card is not recogn …], We had a diskussion regarding this in our German group recently (@UBports_Deutsch). There turning flight mode on wait some seconds turn it off helped.
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 @Aury88 [Raspberry pi3], that's right 😄 … i wonder if it will get an error ir the reading of the sensor is just null
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[10:25] <ubptgbot> <Aidan Garnett> Hi Fairphone 2 is said to be supported, is Fairphone 3 supported too?
 No
 Aidan I believe some community members are working on getting the GSI working on the fairphone 3, but nothing official and as far as I know it's still very buggy. I don't own a FP3 so I can't tell.
 @W T [<reply to media>], W Is that sailfishOS?
[11:57] <ubptgbot> <W T> @joeth [W Is that sailfishOS?], yes.  … docker works, lxc for some reason not
 @W T [yes.  … docker works, lxc for some reason not], This group is for ubports so sailfish questions are not relevant here. Try https://t.me/sailfishos_porters or https://t.me/joinchat/AWx9iUE-U9pZ_NeJlxXs0w for help with sailfishos.
 There are reasons for sailfish people to be here and talk here, for example, if you're porting apps from sailfish to Ubuntu touch, porting the other way around, trying to make an app which just works on both Os's, or trying to do sometjing else that can help with both operating systems. … Also discussing differences and similari
[12:07] <ubptgbot> ties is fine to … However, if your question/messages have nothing or very very little to Ubuntu touch, and is exclusively sailfish than using the sailfish chats would be better for everyone involved.
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 Hi!
 I'm with you again!) Gentlemen, I'm not a programmer ... I really want to see ubuntu touch as a stable system, a full replacement for android.  I have nexus 5. I can install any version of Ubuntu and test it, I will report any problems found.  If it helps, speed up the process of finalizing the system.
 @UniversalSuperBox [There is a patch that is not yet accepted in upstream u-boot that fixes that], Thank  you for the information! Nice to see you again.
 @Артём [I'm with you again!) Gentlemen, I'm not a programmer ... I really want to see ub …], I heard that  help is needed also by checking already reported bug... the ubports team need a  confirm of bugreports existence/behavior so to get rid of deprecated/already solved (and so noising) old bugreports
 @TartanSpartan [Is there any way to zoom in Beru/Sturm Reader? Pinch doesn't work.], I am working on that for some new release.😉
 Kate
[16:18] <ubptgbot> DearerMetal was added by: DearerMetal
 Hello
 How can I port ubuntu touch on s9+?
 join https://t.me/UBports_porting :)
 anyone received push notification lately? … I think I haven't received any lately
 I tried the push client app and it shows no generated token
 works in my vm with fluffychat at least
 token genrated now but I don't get any notification from it....
 @Javacookies [anyone received push notification lately? … I think I haven't received any lately], Did you clone/backup/restore your device maybe? That happened to me last time when I copied my daily to the new hardware
 yeah, I recently migrated my data to my xperia x
 but it qas working at first
 I just noticed it's not working when trying to replicate a logged issue I saw in github 😄
 Question: can I install Ubuntu in the multirom as second system?
 depends on your device … and you will need a modified multirom apk because it uses canonical's server for the images. It still works on my Nexus 5 though I haven't updated it in a few months but I doubt it'll stop working unless a major change in the OTA system happens.
 @Javacookies [depends on your device … and you will need a modified multirom apk because it uses …], Can you send the apk?
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/yZINF7Cr.webp
 Btw if in case we convergence is to be implemented, will it be available on non MHL/Slimport devices too?
 I mean say Mi A1 doesn't have Slimport or MHL hardware, will convergence work on it? Or is it impossible at hardware level itself?
 @mrmechanic3000 [I mean say Mi A1 doesn't have Slimport or MHL hardware, will convergence work on …], YOu can do it via wireless but it lags as is in general not very useful. If your device has no display-out we can´t do anything about it...
 "convergence" is available on all devices. external display support may not be
 @dohbee ["convergence" is available on all devices. external display support may not be], sadly the true concept of convergence will be burried further with the term being used in the pinephone community as equal to external display and desktop mode 😄
 @amyosx [Can you send the apk?], I can't find my copy anymore … maybe you can modify the apk yourself...I think that's how I did it before
 @TronFortyTwo [I am working on that for some new release.😉], Thank you, it's a much needed feature IMHO.
 so here is a good question, the halium7 devices that are in the installer (or picked up by the installer) are they gonna get channels for Edge if they dont currently have it? I know stable was mentioned but I may have missed the part about edge if anything was said/implied
 @Shakendo [so here is a good question, the halium7 devices that are in the installer (or pi …], they already were edge, no?
 @Shakendo [so here is a good question, the halium7 devices that are in the installer (or pi …], Why you wanna have edge, its gets messier day by day ^^
 @dohbee [they already were edge, no?], well for example, my note 4, the only channel it shows when I install or go into the channel section is development
 @Flohack [Why you wanna have edge, its gets messier day by day ^^], well my note 4 port is a mess in general, but what about those of us who do want it
 @Shakendo [well for example, my note 4, the only channel it shows when I install or go into …], Then smth is wrong, for my angler I got all 3 channels for arm64
 @Flohack [Then smth is wrong, for my angler I got all 3 channels for arm64], hmm, Ill check again, but last I checked it still only showed devel (about 2 days ago in the update screen) I just have to re-install UT since I broke it by removing xmir to try xwayland (didnt go very well)
 also arm64 could be different than armhf (which my device is) when it comes to the channels maybe?
 maybe. Maybe Marius forgot about 32bit hehe
 i guess it just didn't get the rc promotion yet? https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/armhf/hybris/
 thats what Im thinking, unless its like Florian said and someone forgot (not necessarily Marius as I think Dalton setup my device)
 @Shakendo [thats what Im thinking, unless its like Florian said and someone forgot (not nec …], Its not the device in this case, the channel needs to be manually promoted 1st time to get all 3 stages, and then later we need to get it into auto-promotion scripts. Its that I think
 It appears it was forgotten because it is the only armhf device in the 16.04/ namespace.
 @UniversalSuperBox [It appears it was forgotten because it is the only armhf device in the 16.04/ na …], yeah, I noticed theres no new armhf ports yet
 If you want @Flohack I can show you around there
 @UniversalSuperBox [If you want @Flohack I can show you around there], Is just the device not created, or are we also missing anything in CI ?
 Both
 Oki. I can solve system image in the meantime already. whats the codename
 The channels need to be created, then the devices in the channels.
 for my device, theres 3, trlte, trltespr, and trltetmo
 god
 😆
 Come to the video chat Florian, it'll be easier to explain lol
 The CI will explode trying to build all those devices daily
 I tried to unify but they all use a different blob for modem apparently cause they lost cellular when I tried
 ok gimme some minutes I nedd chocolate
 @Shakendo [I tried to unify but they all use a different blob for modem apparently cause th …], Its not your fault we need ideas to reduce that ^^
 well to make the unified build I need the system.img to mount r/w to setup the files, all the ports have the files to do it, but if system.img cant be mount r/w then my hands are kind of tied
 @UniversalSuperBox [Come to the video chat Florian, it'll be easier to explain lol], There
 @Shakendo [well to make the unified build I need the system.img to mount r/w to setup the f …], Nah we dont want this ^^
 exactly, I was thinking for first boot but thats still a issue cause it could produce problems, I could prob make the script run in recovery during install, but I have no idea how to do that
 anywho, I gotta go back to my project
 @Shakendo [exactly, I was thinking for first boot but thats still a issue cause it could pr …], We need to support device variants, e.g. I need 2 kernels for the same device, thats also not gonna work well with the current installer, it would build everything twice
 yeah, if I could figure out how to run the script in an automatic way, then I could drop the 2 variants cause the unified one works on my note 4, just lacks cellular until I manually run the script in recovery and reboot then cellular comes back
 @Shakendo [also arm64 could be different than armhf (which my device is) when it comes to t …], Can you try again ?
 But dont switch, its nothing in there yet
 @Flohack [Can you try again ?], Ill need a little bit, kind of in the middle of something
 @Shakendo [Ill need a little bit, kind of in the middle of something], Sure!
 Hello
 How can I port ubuntu touch on s9+?
 @DearerMetal [How can I port ubuntu touch on s9+?], scroll up to your previous asking the same question and read the reply to it
 I watched but didn't see... lol
 @dohbee [scroll up to your previous asking the same question and read the reply to it], Thx 👍
 @Flohack [Why you wanna have edge, its gets messier day by day ^^], I'm on edge lmao
 I'm a bit late to the party, but I was reading the call for OTA-13 testers and saw mention of support for 11 new devices. Is there a list for what those devices would be?
 @strongthany [I'm a bit late to the party, but I was reading the call for OTA-13 testers and s …], these https://system-image.ubports.com/16.04/arm64/hybris/devel/
 @strongthany [I'm a bit late to the party, but I was reading the call for OTA-13 testers and s …], ```    Nexus 6P (angler) …     Sony Xperia X Performance (F8131 & F8132) (dora) …     Sony Xperia XZ (kagura) …     Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet LTE (karin) …     Sony Xperia Z4 Tablet WiFi (karin_windy) …     Sony Xperia X Compact (kugo) …     One
[20:38] <ubptgbot> plus 2 (oneplus2) …     Oneplus 3 (and 3T) (oneplus3) …     Xiaomi Redmi 4(X) (santoni) …     Sony Xperia X (F5121 & F5122) (suzu) …     Bq Aquaris U Plus (tenshi)```
 Thank you both!
 I must say that angler is not in the installer right now since its awaiting a fix there
 But its already in the channel lol
 What is stopping Ubuntu Touch from shipping as a single BTRFS partition for /root then another btrfs partition for /home then a efi partition built using coreboot or its many distros or even rEFInd  for easy backups and recoveries without the worrying of loosing user data and whenever Ubuntu Touch has an update/upgrade the only 2 partit
[20:55] <ubptgbot> ions that ever get changed would be the efi boot partition & the BTRFS /ROOT without the need to even touch user btrfs/home partition?
 We already have that experience, but not that implementation.
 The partition layout is more complicated to allow an image-based upgrade path, but user data is not touched on an upgrade or reinstall.
 well no EFI for one because phones don't use EFI
 @dohbee [well no EFI for one because phones don't use EFI], It was just for the example...
 Yes, you're also assuming things for x86 desktops that don't exist on most phones, but that's beside the point.
 @dohbee [well no EFI for one because phones don't use EFI], I know its a boot.img for crying out loud.
 I'm a bit confused at the question, did you know that Ubuntu Touch already had this similar solution or are you expecting something different?
 @UniversalSuperBox [I'm a bit confused at the question, did you know that Ubuntu Touch already had t …], I couldn't find either on the Ubports site or github and partition layout so...
 also there's no need for btrfs on a read-only system
 Well Fedora going forward will be like Canonical with Snap packages it will force users of all genres to install their server/desktop OSes via BTRFS and BTRFS-only... …  So maybe the Mobile Linux Communities should start that as well maybe ....
 I just said we already do this, lol.
 and android stuff expects things to be ext4 or f2fs
 i don't think ubuntu is switching to btrfs by default?
 @dohbee [also there's no need for btrfs on a read-only system], So how can you install apps on a read-only system? Isn't downloading thing a write feature and moving downloads and saved items from apps a writing feature not a read feature?
 The apps are installed in user storage
 which isn't touched on an update
 UT is already not a traditional linux distro
 Thank you for your interest in making Ubuntu Touch better, for sure! But we've already got the use cases you seem to be solving for covered.
 if there was any reason to switch any of the filesystems used on any of the partitions, `f2fs` would probably be a better choice.
 The first Jolla phone used BTRFS, the second didn't. There was a reason for that.
 btrfs was pretty unstable back then. i think those problems are all solved now though, hence fedora opting to move to it by default in the next release
 right
 @fredldotme [The first Jolla phone used BTRFS, the second didn't. There was a reason for that …], Jolla used old kernels with bugs fixed today. … Google was once evaluating Btrfs for Android: https://marc.info/?l=linux-btrfs&m=149702342210832&w=2
 Well, most of our kernels aren't that much newer.
 @EmanueleCV [Jolla used old kernels with bugs fixed today. … Google was once evaluating Btrfs f …], like kernel 3.4 that came with android 4.4, which we must use on many devices?
 @fredldotme [Well, most of our kernels aren't that much newer.], Yes, it would require a backports effort.
 unfortunately, we don't get to upgrade the kernel on android devices
 @EmanueleCV [Yes, it would require a backports effort.], Have fun paying that person
 @dohbee [like kernel 3.4 that came with android 4.4, which we must use on many devices?], Don't you have recent kernels on Pinephone devices?
 We aren't really at the developer bandwidth point to be doing special case development for a single device
 @UniversalSuperBox [We aren't really at the developer bandwidth point to be doing special case devel …], I agree.
 maintenance/support is the bigger issue. but yeah
 And there's no reason for us to consider moving things to btrfs without a convincing user-side argument. Because we already solve for the case presented ("don't touch user data on an upgrade"), the whole discussion will quickly unfocus.
 goal is to keep things as consistent as possible across as many devices as possible
 Or, in other words... btrfs is cool tech and solves problems for some projects. But even ignoring the glaring "old kernel" issue, it needs to bring something new to the table for us to consider moving to it.
 Something more than "it is cool", because if that was a good reason for us to spend a lot of time on something we'd have a really cool OS :D
 From what I know, Btrfs has data advantages over ext4, xfs ...: checksumming. … But I am having limited resources, it would be nicer to have Lomiri running on the desktop.
 You still need to say what that helps for the user, though. Checksumming lets you detect and repair bad data when you have redundant copies, like in a server system. Without redundant copies, like on a 16GB eMMC system, you only detect corruption. Which is a good thing to detect, but you probably have bigger problems at that poi
[21:21] <ubptgbot> nt.
 Solve for the user, not the technology
 @UniversalSuperBox [Solve for the user, not the technology], Detecting data corruption is already something and helps you not to pry them into backups. … Compression helps save data helps increase the life of the hardware, according to Facebook sources. … Cheap system snapshots, you can upgrade and in case of problems with the update,
[21:27] <ubptgbot> restore: see how openSUSE microOS works. … But it's a huge job for you, and as I said in my opinion it's useful to focus on Lomiri on the desktop that I've been waiting for too many years :-D … Thank you so much for the work you do and for carrying on the old unity8!
 Ehh, yeah, that's closer but still feels like trying to rationalize a user need for a technology rather than adapting technology for a user need.
 btrfs definitely wouldn't have helped when my phone died by just powering off and refusing to power on again
 my data is fine. i just can't get to it
 And that's applying a mostly irrelevant example to a different discussion :P
 @UniversalSuperBox [Something more than "it is cool", because if that was a good reason for us to sp …], UT is a Really Cool OS
 Yes, of course! But I mean it could be technically really cool in all the whizbang ways
 The clickbait rather than the usable
 lol, I myself would like to see F2FS, since most android devices already have support for that and it has a speed benefit over EXT4
 The opportunity to support either is there and requires patches to initramfs-tools-halium and initramfs-tools-ubuntu-touch
 The initramfs script is really the only blocker of mounting F2FS. It should work already, but there are ext4 assumptions in the `fsck` calls.
 yeah, and thats all way over my head in terms of understanding
 but in theory I could format a SD Card to F2FS and mount it in UT already?
 No, I think Ciborium is hardcoded to only attempt mounting fat32 partitions
 ahh ok, is that if I use terminal to mount as well?
 You can do whatever you want with `sudo`, assuming the f2fs driver is built into the kernel.
 hmm, ok, Ill have to try playing with that then
 @Flohack [Sure!], so stable doesnt work with the installer, but RC seems too
 @Shakendo [so stable doesnt work with the installer, but RC seems too], there is no stable image yet :)
 thats my assumption for why that doesnt work
 well RC installed, but when I go into channels in the update screen it just sits at "Fetching Channels"
 so after 15 minutes still just said fetching channels on RC, guess thats still broken lol, I can switch back to dev, if I need/want to
 @UniversalSuperBox if I build my own device image to get the latest 3GBs fix how can I create an .img file to flash to my SD card? Thank you very much.
 You really only need the u-boot with spl image, and you can write that to the loader partition of your boot storage
 The whole device image isn't necessary
 mm sorry I'm still learning a bit but where do I get the spl image for u-boot?