[00:02] where could I download the file that belongs to /boot/xen-4.11-amd64.gz? [00:06] xen-hypervisor-4.11-amd64: /boot/xen-4.11-amd64.gz [00:58] I'm not sure if this is the best place to report this, but https://docs.lubuntu.net/lubuntu_installation_on_old_computers.html is very broken. I tried #lubuntu but they said they don't control that domain. [00:59] I followed the directions, but ubuntu won't install on my computer. This doesn't bode well if even the installer doesn't work right. [01:01] I get a screen full of "/init: line 49: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found" [01:01] what in the heck is that supposed to mean? [01:01] I just want to run a darn installer and have it install. === ZadPartout is now known as Nurse_ [01:02] JonnyGators: "/sr0" is the DVD drive - likely a bad copy of the .iso to the medium. [01:02] JonnyGators: sr0 would normally be a cd/dvd drive [01:03] certainly could be [01:03] or a bad download of the iso [01:03] i'd definitely check the iso checksum [01:03] Weird, because I imaged a USB from an iso using rufus, like I've done many times for ISOs. [01:03] iso checksum? [01:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/500822 [01:04] Launchpad bug 500822 in casper (Ubuntu) "/init: line 7: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found" [Low,Triaged] [01:04] this looks relevant [01:04] ...also it's a decade old. nice [01:06] waltman: unfortunately, that's a long-standing complaint :( a previous member of the lubuntu team is imho not acting responsibly; I don't know the history well enough to report it to someone else, but I've come away with the conclusion that it's best to ask for lubuntu help on irc and then go to wherever they say their stuff is :) [01:06] How do I check the iso checksum? [01:06] from windows? no idea :D [01:06] .....of course not..... [01:07] i don't remember if it has that stuff built in. i'm thinking it doesn't and you'll have to download something [01:07] from linux... md5sum /path/to/file [01:07] sarnold: I'm not complaining. I was just trying to report a broken web page! [01:07] waltman: hehe :) thanks for that :) it's just unfortunate that there's no good solution to it :( [01:08] Huh. I figured the solution would be for whoever maintained the lubuntu.net domain to fix the page. [01:08] waltman: it probably is, you could try emailing them and see how far you get. please be prepared to be dissapointed. :( [01:08] JonnyGators: okay so this sounds really weird but someone on that bug page said that swapping the USB ports used for the usb drive and the keyboard fixed it for them [01:09] Who is "them"? [01:09] worth a try i guess, considering it wouldn't take very long to test [01:09] and i see someone else says that the issue is due to the tool used to write the image to the usb (which i could totally believe) [01:09] Ok....the link with that bug seems to be what I'm experiencing, with it filling the page with that error.....but that pgae lists no fix, or way to get the install to work. [01:10] So.....what's the deal.....no ubuntu for my machine because of a decades old bug no one can be bothered to fix? [01:10] If they want to own lubuntu.me and disown lubuntu.net, it seems to me they're try to do some SEO to get their links above the other ones in web searches. But what do I know? :) [01:10] s/they're/they'd/ [01:11] waltman: heh, I'm sure they would like your help to get the old links scrubbed off the internet :) [01:11] JonnyGators: See: http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows ; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/CDIntegrityCheck . [01:11] Hmmm....I did try different usb ports, and my keyboard is on a slower usb port, so I don't want to do that necessarily. Although....ok.....I'll play around with USB ports. [01:11] tnx [01:15] Oh well. I don't even run lubuntu. I thought I was just doing a good deed. [01:16] you were :) you just didn't know the long and frustrating history with a previous member of the project :( === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:27] Ok, different USB port, different error. [01:27] Same bug probably [01:27] Rather annoying that an over 10 year old bug is preventing me from simply just installing this. [01:28] And it seems no one has come up with so much as a explanation or solid workaround. [01:28] hi all [01:28] JonnyGators: try a new memory stick perhaps? [01:28] stick worked fine installing linux on my laptops. [01:29] "unable to find a medium container a live file system" [01:29] takes me to a prompt with yes or no, but my keyboard doesn't work at this point. [01:29] Say what you will about microsoft....but at least they make a working installer. [01:31] Isn't there any stable, consistent, way to just get a damn linux install to work? [01:31] Every time I try to do this, it's something. [01:32] JonnyGators: Buying hardware from a company like System76 helps. [01:32] file properties on nautilus: the checkbox near " execute as program" has three states? What does the dash-check mean? [01:32] There's an old joke that if apple made cars, they'd only drive on 10 percent of the roads. [01:32] If you can't make an OS that works on all the hardware out there....then find something else to do. [01:33] JonnyGators: Lets stick to productive support discussion please. #ubuntu-offtopic is good for other chat. [01:33] Ok, still playing musical USB ports, and still getting errors. [01:33] JonnyGators: honestly from what I've seen so fr, it souds a lot more like your hardware is the issue :( [01:34] JonnyGators: try memtest86 or memtest86+? try another linux distro? [01:34] Best I can figure, the errors suggest that once booting to the USB device, it stops seeing the media, the installers, the USB device.....not sure how that's possible since it gets that far off of the usb device. [01:34] This desktop has been running strong and solid for years on Windows. [01:34] JonnyGators: Because the first portion of booting happens with disk reads being made through calls to the boot firmware, rather than native drivers. [01:35] This seems like a bug in the installer that breaks it's communication with the media. [01:35] JonnyGators UEFI or BIOS? [01:35] I've tried both, got the same results on both with the first 2 usb ports where I was getting the page of those 49 errors. [01:36] I've been doing UEFI the most recent attempts. [01:36] Anybody knows how I can input Chinese quotation marks in Ubuntu? [01:36] I'm already using the Intelligent Pinyin input method, but I can't get Chinese quotation marks. [01:36] JonnyGators the motherboard....it has uefi or bios? [01:37] JonnyGators: Are you brought to a shell when booting fails? [01:37] uefi [01:37] Uh....I think so? I get text errors, but I'm unable to type at the screen I'm at, but I'm not sure if that's because it's not recognizing the keyboard or what. [01:38] It's not frozen, it barks at me when I remove the usb jump drive to move it to another port before hitting the reset button. [01:38] JonnyGators: Have you ever booted a GNU/Linux distro on this machine, and had working USB? [01:38] I've not used linux on this machine ever. [01:39] I built it initially as windows 7, and updated it to 10 at some point. [01:40] JonnyGators with UEFI you just "unzip" the ISO on the pendrive and all works on every PC. Pendrive must be FAT32. If that doesn't work is your pendrive or your motherboard the problem, IMHO [01:41] I used rufus, wrote the iso to usb. Whoop...de...do ,blame it on the motherboard. It's a motherboard, it works fine for windows, if linux doesn't like it ,that's a problem with linux. [01:42] I mean, really....if the software has a problem with the motherboard, what am I supposed to do.....modify my motherboard to get around the programming that isnt' working right with it? Or should the software be fixed to work properly with working hardware? [01:42] JonnyGators try delete partitions and partition table on the pendrive, recreate a GPT partition table, and add 1 partition FAT32 formatted. [01:43] Sorry, dos partition table [01:43] Ok....get this..... [01:43] red usb ports = the first error I listed that filled a page. black usb ports = the recent error I listed. Blue usb ports = win. [01:43] Linux likes blue. [01:44] I'll have to make a note of that. [01:44] linux, however, does not like my mouse and keyboard....guess I need to move those over to a blue usb port [01:45] JonnyGators coulb be a bad boot sector on the pendrive from previuos formatting/media-creation [01:45] Well, that confirms it....moving the mouse/keyboard dongle to my other blue usb port, made them work [01:45] when installing ubuntu, it seems only my 2 blue usb ports work. I hope the install process fixes it for the rest, I will need those. [01:46] Perhaps the usb drivers on the install media need an update? [01:46] the blue ports are usb 3.0 [01:46] Yeah, and red are 3.1 [01:47] odd that 3.0 good, 3.1 bad, when installing. === sharpie_3 is now known as sharpie [01:48] JonnyGators all those usb 3 ports are embedded on the motherboard or they are expansion boards? [01:48] all embedded. [01:49] Huh....I did once add an expansion card, because I had lag problems with a usb sound input device, and the add on card resolved the lag issue. Maybe gigabit mobos suck when it comes to usb ports. [01:49] But, that's in the media server to take backups to externals now. [01:51] JonnyGators then recreate partion ---> MANUALLY on the pendrive, then---> MANULLY mount the ISO and copy the files. If doesn't work change pendrive and/or motherboard. [01:51] anyways, anyone want to take bets whether or not I completely botch this attempt at a dualboot setup and need to restore from my backup? And then bet on whether or not the restore actually works? My backups are consistent.....the always work when tested, and never work when needed. [01:51] Right....except that.....at the moment, I don't need to do that, the install is working on my 3.0 ports [01:52] JonnyGators so what's the issue now? [01:53] I don't know yet, heh. Just worried that this partial usb issue may continue once the install is complete. I'm hoping drivers are installed as part of the process that fix that. [01:53] JonnyGators ines it start, it goes till the end, don't worry [01:55] JonnyGators at the first reboot remove the pendrive, otherwise you enter the installation loop :D [01:57] JonnyGators some disk or two for the dualboot? [01:57] *same [01:58] i cant get bluetooth working on 20.04 at all :( [02:03] same disk, I have a 1TB SSD, shrunk down the partition to free up 250GB for linux to give a dualboot a try. [02:04] My m-audio sound card hasn't had a driver update in like 10 years, and it seems to bluescreen windows 10 more and more with each update, which isn't convenient when streaming. [02:04] So, I could buy another piece of hardware that does the exact same thing as the working one, or find an OS that plays nice with it. [02:04] I figure....doesn't hurt to try linux out. [02:05] I am so surprised my new monitor works [02:05] I absolutely hate replacing working hardware over greedy companies refusing to support their products to force people into replacing things before they die. [02:05] I have a dual display port monitor hooked up and it actually works [02:06] WOW! [02:09] goddard: woo :D dual display port, is that > 4k or something similar? === feodoran is now known as Guest26705 === feodoran_ is now known as feodoran [02:11] sarnold: nah, but it is a 4k display greater than 120 hz [02:12] 4k at 144 hz [02:12] i am using kde neon and all i had to do in the settings was say that the two devices it detected one is a "replica" and it worked [02:12] i am so surprised [02:12] linux in many ways worked much better than windows in terms of fonts on some apps [02:16] although KDE only detected 120 hz [02:16] I'm trying to install python-gtk2 but i can't find it using apt. Can anyone help? [02:17] it is in the repo [02:17] python-gtk2 [02:17] booted into a live usb environment 20.04 i just see the background wallpaper, no cursor or anything [02:17] can i restart the window manager [02:18] goddard, E: Unable to locate package python-gtk2 [02:18] your on what version? [02:18] ubuntu 20.04.1 [02:18] Hmmmm.....tiny text......windows has this easy setting to make text bigger without adjusting resolution. I found a desktop setting, but it only sets desktop texts. Is there a simple systemwide text scaling setting like windows has? [02:19] goddard: ooooo 4k at 144hz, nice nice nice. [02:20] i executed sudo systemctl restart gdm and it's been hanging for a bit... [02:21] JonnyGators already installed? [02:21] golden_ticket: python-gtk2 was not published in focal; the last release with it was eoan https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygtk/+publishinghistory [02:21] sarnold, how should I get a hold of it then? [02:21] you could use pip [02:22] probably [02:22] golden_ticket: you could use libvirt or lxd to run bionic in a VM or a container [02:23] Yeah, install completed. [02:23] I'm on a 55" TV on my wall, it's a little hard to read. [02:23] JonnyGators see, no worry [02:23] sarnold, believe it or not that's what I have been trying to do the entire day. Just got xen to install/run on the newest version of ubuntu (20.04.1 - which wasn't working before) [02:23] I had to change some stuff and build from source with the instruction of someone from #xen [02:23] JonnyGators: theres nothing as easy as windows or os x; there's a lot more widget families on unix systems.. there's some advice on https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI [02:25] sarnold, when do you think gtk2 will be added? [02:25] What in the heck? I gotta spend hours futzing around with command line stuffs to do what Microsoft simplified into one simple setting? [02:26] How on earth has linux not set a text scaling setting? [02:26] How is that considered remotely acceptable for an OS these days? [02:26] This isn't going to work, I can't read a thing on my screen. [02:26] JonnyGators, this OS is for programmers/people who like to tinker [02:26] if you want something shiny and expensive go buy an OS [02:27] I just want something that will work with my sound card and be stable. [02:27] You can scale everything on your desktop or manually change the font (like making your own) [02:27] I get tinkering....but the ability to read the screen is a pretty basic requirement for an OS, I'd expect at least that much out of the box. [02:28] scaling the desktop seems to only scale icons and icon text, the menu and everything else is still tiny [02:28] You can scale bro [02:28] You could try changing the resolution? [02:28] i am scaling right now [02:28] works great in KDE/Plasma [02:28] JonnyGators this is on Ubuntu 20.04? pretty sure they have scaling built-in [02:28] and Gnome [02:29] I remember when I had to manually build the drivers for ethernet...then use that to apt-get update so I could get the drivers for wifi [02:29] Sweet memories :) [02:29] Aj [02:29] ah* [02:30] I can't seem to find it. But...uh....being focused on audio and video production, I installed ubuntu studio. But....isn't the basic core features pretty much the same? [02:30] JonnyGators: try to find display settings [02:30] or use Gnome Tweak [02:31] what desktop environment / widget set is ubuntu studio using? whatever it is using, look for those things in the arch wiki link https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/HiDPI [02:31] display settings has resolution, but no scaling [02:32] im on kde neon right now, but you should have gnome tweaks installed [02:32] use that [02:32] its easy to find [02:32] Ugh....see, this is why I never end up using linux. I install it, and every little basic 2-10 second step in using windows, turns into 20+ minute programming excursions. This is the most inefficient way to use a computer. [02:33] JonnyGators: bro you gotta learn to use something new [02:33] gnome tweaks......ok, that sounds like fun. [02:33] Are they underwear gnomes? [02:33] Phase 3 - profit? [02:33] JonnyGators settings > universal access > Large Text > ON [02:34] I don't have a universal access [02:34] nah dude just use gnome tweaks [02:34] I searched gnome tweaks, came up empty [02:35] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rwf3nCJr_CU [02:35] watch that [02:35] it will show you what to do [02:35] hey how can i enable unix keybindins in gtk apps (chrome, firefox etc) [02:35] key bindings* [02:35] JonnyGators: it might be easier to install plain ubuntu and see if it works for you [02:36] hoobershaggus: afaik you cannot :( I cry every time I accidentally close a tab in firefox when I try to delete a word :( [02:36] so Ubuntu Studio doesn't have universal access settings? [02:36] i see my hatred of gtk was not in error then [02:36] thanks [02:36] hoobershaggus: exactly. [02:39] Ok, so I was able to install gnome tweaks, it opened after installing, found a font scale setting and adjusted it, nothing happened, no apply button, closed the window, but now I can't find it to reopen it. [02:40] Searching gnome tweaks in the start menu doesn't bring it up, rather useless search [02:40] Why is it when software is installed, it doesn't leave me any simple way to reopen it? [02:40] It's not in recently used, it's not in all apps, it just up and vanished. [02:40] there may be a Utilities folder when gnome tweaks is [02:41] You can hit your windows key, search for the program, add it to your favorites and now it's nice and easy to open [02:41] JonnyGators, Before you start trying to critique an OS perhaps you should learn how it works? lol [02:41] just sayin [02:41] Perhaps it should be user friendly/ [02:41] I mean, this is realistically what a new end user is facing. [02:42] guys, please divide ubuntu support with discussions and move into the proper channel, #ubuntu-discuss [02:42] it is, if you take the time to learn a new os [02:42] I do not understand how anyone is supposed to use this thing if 20+ minutes later I'm still trying to figure out how to make text readable, when microsoft, detects these things automatiaclly, and has a simple easy to access setting if it doesn't. [02:42] you can talk there 24/7 [02:43] I'm discussing a need for support, I can't read text on my screen. [02:43] And the only way I've found to open gnome tweak, which hasn't scaled anything, is to go back into the software installer, and search for it, which gives me a launch button....it's not accessible anywhere from the menus. [02:44] JonnyGators: asking support is writing 1 question all in one line then wait for volunteers to help you [02:45] JonnyGators: to discuss about software into other channels please [02:45] how do I get universal readable text in linux? [02:45] JonnyGators: I went to tweaks, Fonts, Scaling factor and reduced it from 1.0 to .90 my display shows smaller text [02:45] I have set that scaling factor up to 3.0, all text is still tiny. [02:48] So linux doesn't have a way to set readable text? [02:49] https://imgur.com/a/kCpWZVX does this help? [02:50] Hey folks. [02:50] howdy [02:50] o/ [02:50] A picture of the setting that I did find and that doesn't work on my machine isn't of much help, but I appreciate the thought. [02:51] So far golden_ticket's pm to format the drive seems to be the best idea. [02:51] haha [02:52] I'm trying to install obs-studio (on debian) from the Ubuntu PPA. I can add the PPA to my system, but debian refuses to talk to it citing a missing key. As best I can determine from this page: https://launchpad.net/~obsproject/+archive/ubuntu/obs-studio the PPA does in fact have a key so should I somehow be able to manually download it and install it? [02:53] ...'scuise me. Not from the ubuntu PPA. From the OBS PPA...that happens to be targeting ubuntu [02:53] JonnyGators: don't make your life harder than it needs to be. Follow a path some one else blazed if you aren't an expert. [02:56] I just want to stream using my m-audio delta sound card without the risk of bluescreening. Microsoft and m-audio have made that impossible. I was hoping linux could help. [02:57] Are you using generic Ubuntu? [02:57] Did you download the ISO from this site? https://ubuntu.com/download/desktop/thank-you?version=20.04.1&architecture=amd64 [02:58] I was using ubuntu studio since my focus is on audio production. I'm going to reinstall with that though ,and see if that scales better. Or at all. [02:59] Ubuntu Studio using XFCE and it is in my opinion old and not a good place to start. [02:59] k [03:00] Start with generic Ubuntu because you can install all the same software [03:00] or just #ubuntustudio [03:00] ask them [03:00] If I install on top of the same partitions I created the last time I installed, will it wipe them, or should I remove and re-create the partitions? [03:01] It depends, but I would just start fresh if you can. Always make a backup and double check so you do not delete something you want to keep. [03:29] Yay! Standard ubuntu has scaling. I can see, I can see. [03:30] hahaha [03:30] Congrats! [03:31] Now for the million dollar question....how do I setup an m-audio delta 44 sound card to work? [03:32] do you have the required firmware installed? [03:34] required firmware? [03:36] yes [03:37] what is the name of your soundcard? [03:37] ice xxxx? [03:37] m-audio delta 44 [03:37] try this [03:37] sudo apt-get install alsa-tools alsa-tools-gui [03:37] then reboot your machine [03:39] Ok, rebooting now. [03:40] Waiting.. [03:41] I'm back to my desktop, I don't see that app available anywhere. [03:41] try to search [03:41] Alsa [03:43] searching also brings up hdspconf [03:43] but nothing opens when I click on it. [03:44] what version of Ubuntu are you using? [03:44] Hmmm....the sound settings sees something, it calls it Analog Output - ICE1712[Envy24]PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (M-Audio Delta 44) [03:45] most recent, just downloaded the iso today. [03:45] But, selecting that and testing, gives me no sound on any of the outputs [03:46] !sound | JonnyGators [03:46] JonnyGators: If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - https://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. [03:47] This isn't a typical sound issue. [03:48] is the sound card listed in the output of lspci [03:48] lspci? [03:49] a command you can type in a terminal [03:51] yes [03:52] Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02) [03:52] Ideally, it should show up as 2 stereo input devices for the 1/2 and 3/4, and 2 stereo output devices for the 1/2 3/4 [03:52] But then, I'd also need to setup a way to use the ASIO drivers. [03:58] thereis another command, alsa-info does it detect your soundcard? [03:59] That doesn't seem to give me any useful information about anything. [04:00] I guess you need to talk to ubuntustudio people how to configure your audio card [04:02] I installed ubuntustudio 20.034 on a VM so I can look at the menus, there is a Ubuntu Studio Controls > Audio Setup that may help [04:02] 20.04* [04:04] I just wiped my ubuntostudio install because it was suggested to just use the plain ubuntu....now I need to go back to studio, where I can't read? [04:05] I found an envy24 control utility, and found that things were turned down and muted. I now have level meters working when running sound tests on them, but....that's all it is, meters, I have no actual audio coming out the outputs. [04:05] so you're on ubuntu 20.04, sound card is seen, the issue id configuration === OERIAS is now known as covid-19 === covid-19 is now known as covid-19v2 [04:07] How do I rescale Ubuntu under i3? [04:07] Everything is super tiny [04:08] Ugh.....well, it seems this answers my question.....linux will not be a viable solution, the half assed attempt at a sound interface for this sound card is a complete failure in programming. [04:08] Pretty meters, nonsensical patching, no audio passed through. [04:08] I remember my first Ubuntu install [04:09] Not sure what the programmers were going for there, but it certainly wasn't functionality. [04:10] Managed to find yet another set of sliders that needed to be turned up, I can get stereo sound out the 1/2 outputs, but there seems to be no funcionality to use the 3/4 outputs as another device. [04:10] That is something I absolutely must have. If linux can't figure out how to use this device like windows does, linux can do nothing for me. [04:11] Lol "like windows" [04:12] The concept of wanting linux to function like something that works and is user friendly is funny? [04:12] But, more specifically, I mean that windows automatically treats the input and output pairs as separate stereo inputs and outputs [04:13] !ot | JonnyGators [04:13] JonnyGators: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [04:13] I need linux to treat this the same way [04:13] I'm looking for support to get this sound card functioning like it was designed to. [04:13] you can stop trolling now JonnyGators [04:14] I'm not trolling. I have this sound card. I can't figure out how to get it to set up the way Windows automatically sets it up. [04:15] JonnyGators: i already told you to divive discussions from ubuntu support [04:15] Ok, to boil it down to a simple question, if I wanted to configure skype to use the line 3 and line 4 input and line 3 and line 4 output of my M-Audio Delta 44 sound card using ubuntu, how would I do that? [04:15] *divide [04:16] Does posing that question meet your channel rules? [04:21] Ok, I need to install citrix workspace app, the only download options for linux are debian packages, rpm packages, or tarball packages....how do I get one of those to work with ubuntu? [04:22] JonnyGators: if you have a bit of respect, you should patient a bit after asking 1 question and not immediatly ask another [04:23] I only have so much time available to stare at a screen with no response, I figured if the sound card issue was going to take a while to find some help on, I'd shift to a potentially easier topic. [04:23] Whatever, I'm going to bed, goodnight, peeps. === tehaugz is now known as augz === OEIRIAS is now known as OEIRAS === gr33n7007h is now known as al2o3-cr === ckb_ is now known as ckb [05:16] anyone has experience with noc-ps? === ace_me1 is now known as ace_me === Napsterbater_ is now known as Napsterbater === Napsterbater is now known as Guest50375 === Napsterbater_ is now known as Napsterbater [06:30] amazoniantoad, what have you tried? have you configured the font scaling in your desktop settings? === TheRedQueen is now known as Drone [07:29] Hi everybody! The new vlc snap on *ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS is pretty dangerous and can stall production machines .... [07:49] JonnyGators, ubuntu works with packages in debian format; you'd either pick those or go with a tarball (which is just an archive to unpack and not really a package) [08:18] Hi, I read this article https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/netbooting-the-live-server-installer/14510 on how to use PXE to boot Ubuntu Server, followed the instructions - but now how do I actually "send" this to the server I want it to install on? [09:10] Can anyone tell me how to get an Intel IPU3 CIO2 camera working under Ubuntu? [09:31] how about you motherfuckers pay what you fuckin ass owe the 5 of us in royalties for the use of our digital ideas [09:32] i know you sons of bitches are making money off of our ideas without paying us our royalties [09:32] lolwut [09:32] so thunderbird still has an irc extension... [09:32] legreffier...well if not..there is always kvirc, hexchat, xchat, mirc and many others [09:32] only one blocker left for bionic-to-focal upgrade! [09:33] AlligatorJoe: watch me caring. [09:35] legreffier like others including wechat, pidgin, and so on [09:35] legreffier...but yes, thunderbird still has irc also [09:37] k_sze..what is focal...is that the new 20.04 lts [09:37] yes [09:38] AlligatorJoe, https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604 [09:38] k_sze..yea ok...well i guess it might come in handy for people who like to use vpn with wireguard or need some other features....but i don't give a damn about upgrading right now [09:39] !mods [09:39] !ops [09:39] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Pici, Myrtti, jrib, Amaranth, tonyyarusso, Nalioth, lamont, CarlK, elky, mneptok, Tm_T, jpds, ikonia, Flannel, wgrant, stdin, h00k, IdleOne, Jordan_U, popey, Corey, ocean, cprofitt, djones, Madpilot, gnomefreak, lhavelund, phunyguy, chu [09:39] k_sze..i can imagine that focal would be a better os but i really don't want to bother [09:40] AlligatorJoe: what are you talking about? [09:41] eeos...oh just some new stuff that ubuntu has come out with [09:42] eeos...or included might be a more appropriate word [09:43] AlligatorJoe: maybe you name it so we uninstall it? [10:02] hi there [10:02] hows is manjaro different from ubuntu ? [10:05] silv3r_m00n, Ubuntu will have more software available.. has a larger community.. both are GNU/Linux so the majority of everything is the same (esp. if you know what you're doing) [10:05] Ubuntu has more choice in your software stack age I believe too (along with other things) [10:06] actually, no. with its aur side (like brew on mac or ports on freebsd), the software offer is way bigger on arch-related distribution imho [10:06] i read that manjaro has rolling release thing, which means softwares keep updating to the newest all the time, unlike ubuntu where updates are made available only as long as distro is supported [10:07] silv3r_m00n, Ubuntu has rolling rhina (a rolling release is available too) [10:07] s/rhina/rhino ^ [10:07] you get tons of update all the time. keep in mind this will break some software at some point. [10:08] and refer legreffier's comment (arch' AUR) on software; I'll concede that [10:08] that's why it's not recommended for newer user or critical systems. [10:09] try both and find out what you like most. at the end of the day all popular distribution are equally good (or bad). [10:33] Is there any way to make the "Dock" auto hide always instead of just when a window is overlapping it? [10:36] Paddy_NI: type 'sudo apt install gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock' and then enable 'auto-hide the dock' then relogin in maybe [10:37] EriC^^, Hmm.. I think the default behaviour is to auto hide only when a window is either overlapping it or maximised. Otherwise it's on screen. [10:37] Dash to dock might be what I am after [10:39] Sorted! [10:39] :-) [10:48] Paddy_NI: great :) [10:49] EriC^^, I am just very aware of how long I spend in front of my computer and that certain elements are static on screen pretty much all of the time. This is not good if you own a monitor prone to screen burn in. [10:49] Paddy_NI: i see, yeah [10:50] There should be three options for the default dock and panel. Always show, Autohide, and Overlap [10:50] hi, it is known which kernel will be installed in the next ubuntu release? [10:51] I've got this error from videolan's vlc 'Audio output failed: The audio device "default" could not be used: No such file or directory'! I'm running on Ubuntu 20.04 Dell Inspiron 3180 with AMD A6-9220e radion r4! [10:53] dob1: it's not known yet, but it might be kernel 5.8 depending on if it sticks to the schedule [10:54] EriC^^, it could be an older one otherwise ? [10:54] jescis, If you open a terminal and type "alsamixer" what does it say for "Card" and "Chip"? [10:55] jescis, Press enter after alsamixer of course [10:58] Paddy_NI: HDA ATI HDMI and chip: ATI R6xx HDMI [11:00] In the "Audio" menu of VLC under "Audio Devices" which device are you currently using? [11:00] alsa [11:01] You have an entry called "alsa"? [11:03] Paddy_NI: Output module: Alsa audio output [11:03] jescis, I mean from the "Audio" menu. Not the preferences window [11:04] Paddy_NI: Audio device: default [11:05] jescis, Is there anything else there? [11:05] Not that I can see [11:06] Do you hear sound from other things like your browser etc? [11:06] Yes [11:07] Might it be the file you are trying to play? [11:08] They're all mp4's on an external had drive [11:08] hard* [11:08] Does any other type of file play in vlc? [11:09] Say an mp3 etc? [11:10] No it still doesn't work [11:11] jescis, Go into preferences > audio and change the output module to "automatic". Quit VLC and try it again [11:12] Failing that try using pulse [11:14] it works with automatic [11:14] Excellent :-) [11:16] Paddy_NI: it also works with pulse audio [11:20] Paddy_NI: is there a way to fix alsa audio output? [11:28] jescis, Why are you tying to specifically use alsa? [11:28] can you use alsa directly when pulseaudio is already attached to it ? [11:30] I actually have to go now so I wont be much help, if you are still on later perhaps we can talk further jescis. Have a nice day. [11:37] apw: idk, but to answer Paddy's question, I want to use alsa because I want to have the volume stay at the same as I had it when I close then reopen vlc [11:38] dob1: currently it's at 5.6 i think [11:39] it might be 5.4 according to ubottu's data (/msg ubottu !info linux-generic groovy), maybe as in #ubuntu+1 they might know exactly [11:39] *ask in [11:40] jescis: opening and closing vlc will remember both volume and mute, and also repeat/shuffle, settings [11:40] i am supprised that pulse is not maintaining volume etc but whatever floats your boat [11:40] regardless of alsa as a requirement [11:41] it does that even without alsa set [11:44] NuckStarrr: But the box to do it is greyed out when not using alsa! [11:45] which makes sense i think, as pulse owns the mute and volume settings when in use [11:45] oh [11:46] so they should stay the same across vlc coming and going [11:46]