[00:46] <pjotter> tomreyn: No luck so far...
[00:46] <pjotter> Where can I find the source packages for higer versions?
[01:00] <Bashing-om> pjotter: 0.10.1-1 -- https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-weather-plugin .
[01:12] <Unit193> See also, `pull-lp-source`
[01:30] <pjotter> @Unit193 and @tomreyn. Thanks a million. I totally fixed it now! It's running again. Hurray!
[01:34] <pjotter> I took the 8.11 version and applied the fixes that are actually supposed to be applied to 10.1. But they ales did the trick for 8.11
[09:49] <xubuntu11i> hello
[09:50] <xubuntu11i> im posting from a virtual machine
[12:36] <saucy> yo, version 20.04 or whatever uses twice as much ram as 18.00
[12:37] <saucy> why did did u have to put a nsa backdoor in it that uses twice as much ram
[12:39] <diogenes_> saucy, that's probably because of snapd.
[12:39] <saucy> ugh
[12:39] <saucy> I removed snapd but I need it for chromium
[12:43] <saucy> yo fricken version 18 used 340mb ram with no snapd, 20 with no snapd is at 600 plus mb of ram usage
[12:44] <saucy> these differences make me uncomfortable
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> the fact that chromium is now distributed via snapd, isn't due to xubuntu, that an upstream Ubuntu thing
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> I don't like it either
[12:44] <pmjdebruijn> but then again, I usually stick with Firefox anyhow
[12:45] <saucy> im on a crapbox laptop that i got for free, firefox isnt as snappy as chromium
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> I'm not saying it is
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> although the difference has gotten much smaller in recent times
[12:46] <saucy> i dont disagree with that
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> 18.04 will still be supported a while though
[12:47] <saucy> eh, i upgraded
[12:47] <pmjdebruijn> well that's the risk you took :)
[12:48] <pmjdebruijn> the live iso/usb stuff exists for a reason :)
[12:48] <pmjdebruijn> but I'm not snapd fan either, but there not a lot that can be done about that really
[12:49] <saucy> isnt snapd closed source?
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> why would you say that?
[12:49] <saucy> idk i heard someone say it is
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> people say dumb things... https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal-updates/snapd sources are right there
[12:50] <saucy> hmm
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> the backend infrastructure might be though, not sure about that
[12:51] <saucy> why doesnt debian use it
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> not sure how that particularly matters
[12:52] <saucy> debian u can get chromium right from their packages
[12:52] <saucy> no snapd
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> i'm sure you can
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> I'm guessing Canonical moved chromium to snapd, as that probably decreases the amount of work they have to do to support multiple versions of ubuntu
[12:53] <pmjdebruijn> but that's just a guess
[12:53] <saucy> hmm
[12:54] <pmjdebruijn> it's basically canonical competitor to redhat's flatpak
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> redhat pushed flatpak under the gnome/freedesktop.org so it seems vendor neutral
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> I'm guessing flatpak will probably win in the end
[12:55] <pmjdebruijn> but i'm not that enthousiastic about either
[12:58] <saucy> hmmm
[12:59] <pmjdebruijn> https://snapcraft.io/blog/chromium-in-ubuntu-deb-to-snap-transition seems my guess what spot on
[13:01] <saucy> its all a cover
[13:02] <pmjdebruijn> people being lazy usually fits occams razor very well
[13:03] <saucy> opera uses snapd, and its backdoored by the chinese
[13:03] <pmjdebruijn> not sure if that's true, but I don't see how that's connected
[13:04] <pmjdebruijn> given that opera software will very likely want to invest as little time as possible into maintenance as well, thus choosing snapd
[13:04] <pmjdebruijn> saucy: snapd's sources are available, so you're free to audit it
[13:05] <pmjdebruijn> or simply deinstall it
[13:11] <saucy> ugh
[13:13] <saucy> also before i leave
[13:13] <saucy> the icons in 20.04 for folders went from blue to brown
[13:13] <saucy> for xfce
[13:13] <saucy> or whatever
[13:13] <saucy> in 18 they were blue
[13:13] <saucy> now they are ugly manilla brown
[13:14] <saucy> completely unappealing
[13:15] <saucy> if this os wasnt free, id be calling support right now and complaining to a person that can barely speak english about the colors of folders
[14:16] <aplasticsoldier> how do i look at mario in this
[16:01] <az-> hello, where I can find the package x0vncserver, it should come with tighervnc but no it's not there
[16:03] <diogenes_> !info x0vncserver
[16:13] <tomreyn> az-: where did you read about those packages? which xubuntu release are you using?
[16:13] <az-> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/x0vnc4server.1.html
[16:14] <az-> 18.04.5
[16:14] <az-> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/en/man1/x0vnc4server.1.html
[16:15] <az-> I've used apt search to find it but seems like I should try vnc4server?
[16:18] <tomreyn> yes, i would think so
[16:20] <tomreyn> package vnc4server provides /usr/bin/x0vnc4server
[16:21] <tomreyn> on 18.04
[16:38] <Cursarion> yo, xfce4-weather-plugin stopped working because met.no deprecated the protocol. It's been fixed already though, someone'd just need to upgrade the package: https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/-/commit/97601ab2ad1f9810516be6d3d91c5c9b16d6397a
[16:40] <Cursarion> (I'm on 18.04)
[16:59] <tomreyn> it'S in universe. this same or another "someone" would need to file a bug about it, and/or provide a patch.
[17:01] <tomreyn> someone was here yesterdsy who seemed to report that rebuilding it with just this patch applied made things work again: https://gitlab.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin/commit/?id=97601ab2ad1f9810516be6d3d91c5c9b16d6397a
[17:01] <tomreyn> ... using the process discussed at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb - on their 18.04 installation.
[17:01] <tomreyn> Cursarion: ^
[17:02] <tomreyn> !bug
[17:22] <Cursarion> does ubuntu-bug allow specifying what's wrong? I ran it and it just shows options about sending or not sending a problem report
[17:37] <tomreyn> Cursarion: it collects log files from your system, then forwards you to a website where you can provide further information