plujonDoes chromium-browser-dbg no longer exist?00:15
plujonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Debugging mentions it, but on Ubuntu 18.04, apt-cache search chromium-browser-dbg returns nothing.00:15
Bashing-om!info chromium-browser-dbg bionic00:18
ubottuPackage chromium-browser-dbg does not exist in bionic00:18
Bashing-om!info chromium-browser-dbg xenial00:21
ubottuchromium-browser-dbg (source: chromium-browser): chromium-browser debug symbols. In component universe, is optional. Version 51.0.2704.79-0ubuntu0. (xenial), package size 778764 kB, installed size 3558434 kB00:21
sarnoldplujon: are you looking for http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/c/chromium-browser/ ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages00:24
lkmy nvidia drivers are not working01:15
plujonsarnold: Thanks; looks like what I'm after!01:15
sarnoldplujon: nice :)01:16
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javangoHi. How can I know that the model of digital piano I want to buy will work on ubuntu? Sorry if it is wrong quesiton for this channel. I couldn't find any information about my model on Internet01:21
javangoIt is Casio PX-S100001:21
javangoOr may be Ubuntu will work with any usb midi keyboards?01:22
sarnoldjavango: there's folks in #lau who might be better suited to know this .. I'm not sure :/01:23
sarnoldI'd like to think things are standardized enough to not be a problem, but .. lst time I looked at synths they were too expensive to gamble :)01:23
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goddardwhy isn't ntfsfix always ran by default?03:07
goddardor at least prompted03:07
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luna_Hello, my computer failed to update from a 5.4 kernel to a 5.8 kernel as i did not have enough diskspace, and broke my system, any easy way to fix this from a live DVD or is reinstalling the best option?05:24
Maikluna_: stop cross posting please05:24
Maikasking in one ubuntu channel is enough :)05:25
Maikkernel 5.8? That one isn't even released yet on Ubuntu yet, at least not for 20.0405:26
luna_Maik: i am running 20.08 Rolling Rhino, so maybe more a question for #ubuntu+105:26
Maiknot sure, ubuntu+1 is actually for the next dev release, in this case 20.1005:27
Maikluna_: the rolling release isn't even a official release so there's no support for it here05:31
Maikonly official releases are supported05:31
luna_yeah i get that05:33
Maikluna_:  i'd turn to Martin Wimpress who created the tool, join Wimpy's World on discord. they have a channel on their server for Rolling Rhino.05:35
Maikhere's a invite for you: https://discord.gg/ZbXPDD05:36
luna_Maik: i am there already05:41
Maikluna_: you also know that Rolling Rhino is intended for Ubuntu developers and experienced Ubuntu users?05:47
ace_meAny ideea please on how to fix this on system ?06:08
ace_me"system does not fully support snapd: cannot mount squashfs image using "squashfs": mount: /tmp/sanity-mountpoint-673953061"06:08
ace_memain.go:129: system does not fully support snapd:06:11
Maikace_me: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60859806/chromeos-error-system-does-not-fully-support-snapd-cannot-mount-squashfs-imag06:13
Maikcheck if libsquashfuse0 squashfuse fuse  are installed06:14
Maikace_me: or this one maybe: https://dausruddin.com/ubuntu-system-does-not-fully-support-snapd-cannot-mount-squashfs-image-using-squashfs/06:15
luna_Maik: yeah i do06:23
luna_do someone know how to mount a ZFS disk on an Ubuntu live DVD?06:24
guivercluna_, you've indicated you're using Rhino, off-topic here (my groovy system is too)06:25
ace_meI now do Maik apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r`06:25
ace_meafter it finish we'll see06:25
luna_guiverc: continued in #ubuntu+106:25
Maikluna_: Just some good advice, since you give the impression not to be a experienced user i would stay away from the Rolling Rhino tool and use LTS releases as a daily driver. :)06:26
luna_don't feel like reinstalling however06:28
Maikace_me: ok. I'm afk in a few though.06:28
ace_meProcessing was halted because there were too many errors.06:28
ace_meE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)06:28
Maikluna_: that just takes up to 15 minutes or so, depending on your machine's hardware.06:29
ace_mevps provider moved our instalation to a new server and from that moment things are not working06:29
luna_Maik: backuping up the home dir i can't mount to a spare hdd i don't have take longer however06:29
luna_i rather don't remove all my files06:30
Maikcan't you access your home dir through a live usb session and copy the files from there to a external hdd?06:31
luna_Maik: maybe but don't have any empty external HDD with enough space06:32
th4ntisCan someone help me figure out why I can get this sddm login to work for me "https://store.kde.org/p/1374247/" My login screen says QtQuickControls 2.4 isn't installed. So I installed "qtquickcontrols2-5-dev" but that doesn't seem to do it.06:32
Maikluna_: and that's why i don't recommend rolling releases like Rhino is as a daily driver, one can run into nasty issues06:33
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ace_mesudo modprobe loop07:23
ace_memodprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.0/modules.dep.bin'07:23
ace_memodprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.007:23
ace_mewhat means07:38
ace_me    Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...07:38
EriC^^ace_me: sounds like it's searching for the boot logo, when do you get this msh07:39
ace_mesudo modprobe loop07:41
ace_memodprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.0/modules.dep.bin'07:41
ace_memodprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.007:41
ace_mewhat does this means EriC^^ ?07:41
ace_menice nick... people always smile to you when ask question ^^07:42
ace_mecan modules.dep.bin be installed or is part of the kernel ?07:44
ace_memy main issue is that snap ccanot be installed07:44
ace_meEriC^^: I get that msg on sudo apt autoremove for example and I cannot finish the instalation of anything as it stops there07:48
ace_memaybe with a CTRL+C it continues but mostly ssh@... reboot07:48
tomreynace_me: can you show the outputs of     lsb_release -ds     and    cat /proc/version    ?07:53
tomreynshould be one line each, so you can paste it here directly (if so)07:53
tomreynalso     hostnamectl status | grep Virtualization07:58
DarwinElfis there a list of all standard uid:gid for all users & groups used by all core & official extra packages/daemons/etc.?08:23
tomreynnot that i know of. you'll best just reinstall.08:26
tomreyn(I'm assuming you're asking this question because you recursively overwrote ownership and/or permissions, which is what 99,9% of the others asking this question did.)08:28
DarwinElfno, I did not.  Just some of the uid:gid are unusual08:29
DarwinElfand when I add software it seems some are just added in order rather than being set to a standard like many older, strictly Unix-like operating systems (OS)08:30
luna_Got the system saved now, just having a small system, missing the kernel module to get Ethernet working, anyone can help me solve that?08:30
tomreynluna_: please don't keep cross posting08:34
DarwinElffor example, if a username is its own group (rather than using users group) why does group 1000 go to sambashare rather than the first desktop/GUI user?08:41
EriC^^DarwinElf: can you give an example? paste.ubuntu.com08:41
DarwinElfline in /etc/group: sambashare:x:1000:user08:42
EriC^^i have :x:128:user08:43
DarwinElfin a more old-style Debian system 1000 is for wheel, not sambashare (you'd think at least it goes to the first user, even if there is no wheel group, just the group being their username)08:43
EriC^^which ubuntu version is this?08:44
DarwinElfthat's fine, but the group in the case of that line is sambashare.  Just reread as: sambashare:x:1000:08:44
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EriC^^yeah but 1000 is the gid, i think it should be 128 or so08:45
DarwinElfi'm asking about group 1000, not 12808:45
EriC^^isnt group 1000 the gid of the user? those numbers+ are for the added users usually08:45
DarwinElfyes, if you see 23 minutes ago, that's what I'm asking about, and in this case, gid 100008:46
luna_Anyone know how to install Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller modules/drivers in Ubuntu ?08:47
tomreynDarwinElf: non system UIDs and GIDs are assigned by using the first free one (starting at 1000)08:50
tomreynthat's on debian and derivatives08:50
DarwinElfso why was gid 1000 given to sambashare rather than the username I wrote during installation?08:51
DarwinElfanyway, the particular '*ubuntu' is KDE Neon...08:51
tomreyni assume that in this case the samba server was setup before the user was created.08:52
DarwinElfthey say they're 'not a distribution' (only focusing on KDE) so I didn't think they'd bother with that question (they just put a newer KDE on Ubuntu or Kubuntu)08:52
Maikluna_: why you keep cross posting when we told you not to do so on IRC, Telegram and discord?08:52
DarwinElfi didn't do any out-of-the-ordinary installation...08:52
DarwinElfdoesn't look like that PC even has a samba server, just some libraries for it...08:53
tomreynDarwinElf: we only support ubuntu and official flavours here. if this is a kubuntu system, you can get support, but it doesn't sound like it.08:53
DarwinElfit probably basically is just with KDE updated more often08:54
tomreynthere's also ##linux, and maybe another channel for what what you chose to install08:54
DarwinElfit's not really a kernel question...08:54
DarwinElftheir site says: 'Is it a distro? Not quite, it's a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base.'  I don't know what they mean by archive/base other than some stable version of *ubuntu...08:55
DarwinElfso whatever they did, it doesn't sound like they changed /etc/group & /etc/passwd ...08:56
DarwinElfit says it's on LTS Ubuntu... just is KDE's own thing (whatever they want to call it, not distribution)08:57
tomreyn!based on ubuntu08:58
ubottuThe Ubuntu channels can only provide support for Ubuntu and its official flavors, since other distributions and derivatives have repository and software changes. So please use their dedicated support venues, for example: Linux Mint (#linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org), Kali Linux (#kali-linux), and LXLE (#lxle)08:58
MaikDarwinElf: though Neon uses Ubuntu as a base it is not supported in this channel because it's not a official flavor08:59
b247_euHi there anyone with experience in using pulseaudio?09:00
Maikkde neon has it's own channel elsewhere by the way09:01
tomreynb247_eu: hi. it's best to directly ask your specific question, then anyone reading it can either respond directly to it or not.09:01
guivercb247_eu, I suspect most of use pulseaudio but it'll depend what you want (and what OS/release you are using)09:01
DarwinElfalright, well I still hope someday there's a list of Ubuntu gid:uid for all core & official extra packages; that was my initial question...09:01
b247_euI have a Ubuntu 20.04 laptop that use a a network sink (located on a Debian 9 RPI 3 - here it goes the network source); RPi has both hdmi-connected to TV and 3.5jack connected to an amplifier. The sound goes well from my laptop to RPI but the output sound is only on HDMI; I need to output the sound on 3.5 analog only09:08
b247_eu@guiverc what do you think? can you guide me? i can send all the details, like modules used, OS and so ...09:11
tomreynb247_eu: sounds like an advanced configuration, defintely not somehting i could help with. in case you can't find help with it here, try #lad, too.09:13
guivercI couldn't help either.. you're best asking the group as you initially did; if someone can help they'll speak up (be patient also, most of us are busy on other things & look when we can)09:14
tomreynmaybe ##linux as well. and maybe there's a pulse audio channel as well, you may need to ask irc user alis (a bot) about it.09:14
luna_fixed my broken system now with help, now time to watch aKademy :)09:17
lotuspsychjein wich of the 5 channels09:18
mra90what is a difference between export VARIABLE=XYZ and just VARIABLE=XYZ?09:26
EriC^^mra90: export goes to the subshells as well if im correct09:27
mra90ahh right09:28
mra90I have a compilation error on ubuntu "<strdint.h> No such file or directory"09:47
mra90what am I missing here?09:47
jellymra90, maybe you're not missing anything but have an extra r characted in <stdint.h> ?09:53
mra90jelly, no I have made a typo only here09:54
jellymra90, then see if installing build-essential helps things09:55
mra90sudo apt-get install build-essentails  - I have alreeady done it09:55
Psil0Cybinanyone have luck installing ubuntu or debian on an hp laptop10:28
Psil0Cybinno its a brand new hp laptop and it came preinstalled with windows10:28
Psil0Cybini enabled legacy boot and disabled safe mode and i cannot boot anything10:28
Psil0Cybinits really bugging me10:28
MaikPsil0Cybin: never go for the newest stuff. Always try to pick a bit older hardware if you want to switch to Linux.10:30
tomreynPsil0Cybin: any error messages? what's the last thing you get to see when you try to boot? how was the installer media setup? which ubuntu version are you trying to install?10:30
tomreyndisable "fast boot", too10:31
MaikPsil0Cybin: is there a PCIe NVMe SSD M.2 in it by any chance?10:33
jeremy31Psil0Cybin: should leave it UEFI only if Windows was installed that way10:34
jeremy31Intel Optane?10:36
Psil0Cybinokay but it came preinstaleld with windows i want to format it and just use Debian10:37
Psil0Cybinas my main OS10:37
Psil0CybinI got it to boot debian but it could not partition anything10:37
tomreynthen you're asking on the wrong channel10:37
Psil0Cybindebian or ubuntu at this point who cares10:37
Psil0Cybinto be honest10:37
Psil0Cybini just do not want windows 1010:38
tomreynwe can try to support you installing ubuntu, not debian10:38
tomreynat least on this channel10:38
MaikPsil0Cybin: join #debian please, this channel is for support with Ubuntu and it's official flavors only.10:39
tomreynthey did, cross posting10:40
Maikanother one?10:40
Psil0Cybinthe prob is the bios is REALLY basic I am shocked10:40
Psil0Cybinits a brand new machine my friend gave me , kind of like a give away now it makes sense and its just like very new very thin, i cannot even find a bios update for widows to try to get more advanced settings10:40
Psil0Cybinbut all i could do is set legacy boot to enabled and saftey to disabled.10:41
tomreynfeel free to asnwer the questions i asked above when you'Re ready to install ubuntu, and we can take it from there10:44
Psil0Cybinwill get a xubuntu iso ready10:46
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gst568923Hi guys, I would like to know when I remove a snap application using snap-store all the files including the configuration ones are removed or can remain some residues?10:57
tomreyngst568923: snaps have write access to $the HOME/snap directory by default, if i recall correctly, so they could write there, and i assume there are no guarantees for anything written there to be removed.11:06
tomreynthose which have been whitelisted for 'classic' access restrictions may also r/w anywhere else on the disk11:07
tomreynall of this is from my somewhat fragile memory, may not be entirely correct. but maybe there's documentation.11:08
ThinkT510gst568923: this is a good start: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/managing-ubuntu-snaps/11:10
gst568923ThinkT510 good11:14
gst568923ThinkT510 but so if, for example, once I have deleted skype with snap-store and the $HOME/snap/skype folder remains, I can safely delete it manually? there are no other paths where residues can remain to be eliminated manually11:15
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ThinkT510gst568923: according to that article what is in $HOME/snap/ are simply user settings.11:17
tomreynhttps://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-confinement and https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management discusses possible locations11:18
tomreynor rather conditions of making locations available, and how to tell which conditions apply11:18
akemhpHi, is there q simple way to block internet data if it uses more than X GB upload or download but keep local net functionnal?12:01
tomreynakemhp: the only 'simple' approach there is would be https://askubuntu.com/questions/1225868/what-does-restrict-background-data-usage-do-in-network-settings12:04
BluesKajHiyas all12:05
akemhptomreyn, Does it keep local net over wifi untouched?12:08
akemhptomreyn, I think i have another solution though a bit more complicated it will be more flexible. A script using "vnstat".12:10
tomreynakemhp: it doesn't try to apply traffci shaping based on destination, no. it's also not exactly what you asked for.12:11
makavelimanaged to fix my 2 monitor issue after update... i switched from gnome and installed kde-plasma... worked straight away.12:11
tomreynakemhp: "it" being network managers' "restrict background ata usage"12:11
akemhptomreyn, Thanks anyway. Yeah, i think vnstat will be fine.12:11
tomreynvnstat is a network traffic monitor12:12
akemhptomreyn, I know, but just a script running in background checking the interface with vnstat once in a while, and shutting down the interface if traffic goes over the limits. It should work. Just need to get my script kiddy skillz on :P12:16
tomreynip -s link    may be easier12:20
akemhptomreyn, Interesting, yep, thank you.12:23
tomreynthat's just per interface, of course, not target specific.12:25
akemhptomreyn, Exactly what i need since its for a VPN virtual interface.12:26
akemhpAnything on that interface must be stopped if RX/TX goes over the limit so i shut it down.12:27
akemhpI was wondering how RX and TX are reseted or loop back at some point. Though it should not impact me ofc. I wanna limit the interface to 20 GB max for the month then shut it down.12:28
akemhp15 or 20 something like that.12:29
tomreynbringing the interface down will reset the statistics, i think12:30
akemhpI think so.12:31
akemhpThats real good; should be easier than i thought. Thanks again.12:32
tomreynwhat you really want there is traffic accounting, but that's not just as simple12:34
tomreynor directly with iptables https://catonmat.net/traffic-accounting-with-iptables12:38
akemhpNop, no need for more complicated, what i got is just what i was after. Thanks anyway tomreyn. I dont need per app or per users or anything more advanced.12:42
tomreynok. :)12:43
tomreyni just 'found' pmacct, too, which is in ubuntu, and not too complicated. but may still be over the top for you. and you'd need to do promiscuous mode, which is not nice.12:44
lkwhen using bumblebee I get this error13:01
lk[  667.634258] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)13:01
tomreynlk: "nvidia" is the proprietary driver for nvidia graphics cards. it is available on supported ubuntu releases using the "ubuntu-drivers" command.13:04
tomreynbumblebee is no longer how you do muxless graphics on current ubuntu releases, though.13:04
lktomreyn: I have it installed.13:08
lktomreyn: In fact I have the 450 drivers instead because the 440 drivers couldn't even detect the card.13:08
lkI installed bumblebee because I cant get xorg to use my darn nvidia card13:08
tomreyni'm not qualified to support you in making nvidia proprietary drivers work.13:09
lkhow about the open source ones13:10
lkactually no13:11
lkill wait for someon else who can help13:11
lotuspsychjelk: as tomreyn said, bumblebee is not the way to go anymore13:11
lotuspsychjelk: wich chipset is this exactly?13:11
lkLouWestin_: 1650 gtx13:13
lotuspsychjelk: wich driver versions give: ubuntu-drivers list please13:13
lklotuspsychje: full command?13:14
lotuspsychjelk: ubuntu-drivers list13:14
dev4449Had any also had trouble installing latest docker engine on  20.04?13:16
lotuspsychjelk: is there a reason why you are on kernel 5.6?13:16
lklotuspsychje: only way to get amd graphics working lol13:16
lotuspsychjelk: amd graphics with nvidia chipset?13:17
lklotuspsychje: ryzen 5 cpu and 1650 gtx nvidia13:17
lotuspsychjeamd cpu you mean13:17
lotuspsychjelk: so what happens when you boot kernel 5.4 exactly?13:18
lklotuspsychje: software graphics rendering.13:18
lotuspsychjedisformed graphics on desktop?13:19
lklotuspsychje: ati is used.13:19
lkrather them amdgpu or nvidia13:19
lotuspsychjelk: could you boot into kernel 5.4.0-45-generic and pastebin us your dmesg please?13:20
tomreyndev4449: asking specific questions is much preferred over polls here.13:22
ubottuPlease elaborate; your question or issue may not seem clear or detailed enough for people to help you. Please give more detailed information; for example, we might need errors, steps, relevant configuration files, Ubuntu version, and hardware information. Use a !pastebin to avoid flooding the channel.13:23
lklotuspsychje: this is weird, when I boot up I get no boot options menu13:23
lkthe heck13:23
dev4449tomreyn: ok13:23
lotuspsychjelk: you mean you cant enter grub?13:24
lklotuspsychje: well I obviously go through grub, given my computer still boots up13:24
lkbut i get no bootloader screen13:24
lotuspsychjelk: what about F1 switch to textboot?13:24
lkill try brb13:24
lotuspsychje!nomodeset | lk see also13:25
ubottulk see also: Systems with certain graphics chipsets may not boot properly out of the box. "Temporarily Add a Kernel Boot Parameter for Testing" as discussed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/KernelBootParameters to add the "nomodeset" parameter there.13:25
tomreynthe grub menu doesn't display by default13:25
tomreynin uefi boot mode you'd need to hit escape (possibly repeatedly) to bring it up13:26
ledenitomreyn: yes need pres 'shift '13:26
lktomreyn: escape gives me the grub terminal13:27
lkah shift13:27
lkok perfect13:27
Checkmateguys how to deny access to the port 80 from all except one ip?13:27
lotuspsychjeCheckmate: check the #netfilter channel for firewall experts13:28
tomreynledeni: wasn't it shift for legacy bios? i always forget which is which.13:29
lklotuspsychje: so you wanted dmesg13:29
lotuspsychjelk: yes please13:29
lklotuspsychje: I also want you to see this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P4Tq5dDQrG/13:31
lotuspsychjelk: can we see a: sudo lshw -C video , too please13:32
lklotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QR8G7fbKsj/13:33
lotuspsychjehmmm ok thats pretty weird13:34
ledenitomreyn:  me too always miss boot twice lol13:34
lotuspsychjelk: on the first sight your dmesg looks pretty sane to me, i think your case is a switcheroo nvidia/amd but not sure why neither graphics load13:34
lkamd will load in 5.613:35
lotuspsychjelk: both graphics show unclaimed, means driver didnt load13:35
lkin 5.4 ;)13:35
lkin 5.6 amd atleast loads13:35
lotuspsychjelk: i think switcheroo hybrids you need to enable one or the other yourself13:36
lotuspsychjebut im not sure how myself13:36
lotuspsychjelk: this is the wiki, last edited 2015: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics13:37
lotuspsychje!info switcheroo-control | lk with this maybe13:38
ubottulk with this maybe: switcheroo-control (source: switcheroo-control): D-Bus service to check the availability of dual-GPU. In component main, is optional. Version 2.1-1 (focal), package size 13 kB, installed size 85 kB (Only available for linux-any)13:38
dev4449tomreyn: Thanks. Was gathering all the info when I encountered a stack overflow question where one of the answers solved my problem.13:39
lotuspsychjelk: if you can enable neither of them on 5.4 i would advice to file a new !bug13:41
lotuspsychjelk: seems like you're on the right track with 5.6 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen7-4700u-linux&num=113:57
lkok ill try switcheroo-control13:58
lk only works if you are using the opensource driver (nouveau, radeon) and not the proprietary ones (nvidia, fglrx).13:58
lotuspsychjelk: maybe try the switcheroo from 5.614:00
lkit only works with open source drivers14:00
lotuspsychjelk: other bugs like bug #1888088 also mention renoir is too new for 5.4 so it seems14:05
ubottubug 1888088 in linux (Ubuntu) "[amdgpu] [AMD Renoir] Display won't rotate, nor do fractional scaling, but amdgpu.exp_hw_support=1 fixes it" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188808814:05
lkI think im gonna wait 3 months and hope ubuntu figures this all out :p14:05
lotuspsychjelk: maybe your case would be good to test out ubuntu 20.10 with kernel 5.8 aswell14:05
lkI could do that14:06
lotuspsychjewould be nice for yourself and the community you test14:06
lkalright, ill give it a whirl later today :P14:07
lotuspsychjelk: check also bug #187928714:08
ubottubug 1879287 in ubuntu-drivers-common (Ubuntu) "[nvidia+amdgpu] System sometimes starts with a black screen with Nvidia PRIME setup on Ryzen+Nvidia system (but kernel 5.6.14 works perfectly)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187928714:08
lotuspsychjelk: you got nvidia-prime installed?14:10
lotuspsychjelk: can you check via nvidia-settings if you can switch cards there please14:10
lkI have done that14:10
lkand I cant14:10
lotuspsychjelk: greyed out or something?14:10
lkliterally not there14:10
lkill take a screenshot14:11
lotuspsychjeno its ok i believe you14:11
lotuspsychjelk: its because they both unclaimed on 5.414:11
lkon 5.6 I can get amd working free and clear and I have the nvidia card atleast /there/ with 5.6 and nvidia 450 graphics.14:12
lkbut I cant use it14:12
lotuspsychjelk: im interested in a screenshot on 5.6 and sudo lshw -C video14:13
lkscreenshot of14:13
lotuspsychjenvidia-settings tab prime14:13
lklotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9rhGFWKkd2/14:14
lkas for screenshot sec14:14
lotuspsychjelk: ok, thats promising as they both show their driver= loaded at bottom14:15
lklotuspsychje: https://i.imgur.com/w4kDeuD.png14:18
lotuspsychjelk: there isnt like a setting to switch from powersaving to performance mode?14:18
lotuspsychjehey ioria o/14:19
lknope lol14:19
iorialotuspsychje, hello lotus14:19
lotuspsychjelk: ok, so i assume you will have to need to use switcheroo method then14:19
lklotuspsychje: but switcheroo doesnt work with properitary drivers.14:20
iorialk, should be this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1017112/cant-switch-to-performance-mode-on-nvidia-x-server-on-16-04-after-cuda-install14:20
lotuspsychjeioria: you know howto switch from amd graphics to nvidia hybrid?14:20
lkwith amd not intel14:21
iorialotuspsychje, prime, no ?14:21
lkprime seems to work great with intel14:21
lotuspsychjeioria: lk has an amd cpu and nvidia hybrid, only works on 5.6 as his hardware is too new for 5.4, graphics dont load there14:21
lkI'm just the dumbass who bought a amd14:21
iorialotuspsychje, ah, amd... i see; no, no idea14:22
lotuspsychjeioria: on his 5.6 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9rhGFWKkd2/14:22
lotuspsychjelk: what happens when you launch that switcheroo-control ?14:22
lkgive me the wiki link again14:23
iorialk, prime should work with amd : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME14:23
lotuspsychjelk: that switcheroo-control is a package on the repos, try to install14:23
lotuspsychjelk: might be outdated, not sure https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics14:24
summonnerdon't forget to send a comment to Nvidia and AMD that you're trying to use their hardware and having trouble, and you expect better :P14:25
lkok whats the command to launch switcheroo14:26
lkI apparently have it installed14:26
lotuspsychjelk: check if there's a manpage for it14:26
iorialk, DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"    what gives ?14:26
lkno manual14:26
lkioria: ok this is weird14:27
lkI dont even have the open source drivers installed14:27
ioriai doubt it14:27
geosmilewhat is the right PPA for nvidia drivers: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu bionic main ?14:28
lotuspsychjelk: https://www.mankier.com/1/switcherooctl14:28
lkno actually14:28
lotuspsychjelk: switcherooctl list14:28
lkok your right lol14:28
lklotuspsychje: command not found14:29
lkioria: it should be trying nvidia not nouaviu or whatever14:30
iorialk, what ?14:30
EriC^^maybe you need to blacklist nouveau?14:30
iorialk, '1' means amd14:31
iorialk, xrandr --listproviders14:31
lotuspsychjei think on hybrid graphics, one isnt suppose to use nouveau14:31
iorialk,  you should have '0' = nvidia; 1 = amd14:32
lkioria: lets test that out14:32
lkI set it to 014:32
lklets launch a cool game14:32
iorialk,  if you want to run let's say inkscape with amd, you run DRI_PRIME=1 inkscape14:33
lkioria: with it set to 0 my graphics card ant being used14:33
lkoh I have to launch it with the ocmmand14:33
geosmilewhat is the best way to update nvidia/cuda on my 18.04?14:34
lkioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xsMv98BvwW/14:35
lklotuspsychje: also why is a ryzen 5 only getting 60 fps14:37
lkon glxgears14:37
iorialk,  i guess you need both opensource or both proprietary14:37
lkno way because crusader kings 2 gives 30 fps14:37
lkand thats a triple a game14:38
lkoh I see what your saying14:38
lk0 is the nvidia14:38
lklets try switching to open source on nvidia and see what happens14:38
lotuspsychjelk ioria https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/switcheroo-control14:40
lotuspsychjetry that right click on an app?14:40
lklotuspsychje: I did that here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xsMv98BvwW/14:41
lotuspsychjelk: with the dri prime command, but not right mouse click on a software?14:42
lotuspsychjecheck if you can choose graphics with right mouse14:43
lklotuspsychje: no14:45
lkioria: both open source 60/7214:45
lotuspsychjelk: from the activities/app ?14:45
lotuspsychjei assume this would make mostly sense, the system boots with default AMD powersaving mode, then when you need high end graphics you launch it manually14:47
lkI think for some reason14:47
lkthe 0 and 1 are switched14:47
lkbecasue if I installed properitary drivers14:48
lkI get 60/10000 fps for glxgears14:48
lkwith non properitary I get 60/7214:48
lk(which still makes no sense because 60 fps)14:48
lkon glxgears14:48
lotuspsychjelk: does nvidia-smi output something?14:48
lklotuspsychje: lets see14:57
lotuspsychjelk: wich driver version active?14:57
lklotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yJCCQSsVx8/14:57
lotuspsychjelk: allright, same version from graphics ppa should be good14:59
lklotuspsychje: WAIT HOLD HERE14:59
lkI do have option to launch from dedicated gpu15:00
lkonly problem is it doesnt actually do that15:00
lksame memory usage15:00
lklotuspsychje: which ppa15:00
lotuspsychjelk: it doesnt launch the app or?15:00
lkit lauches the app15:00
lkbut the graphics card memory usage is still at 11mg15:01
lotuspsychjelk: doesnt increase when you move forward in the game?15:01
lkwhich ppa15:01
lkthe ubuntu offical ppa is 44015:01
lkwhich doesnt work for my hardware15:01
lotuspsychjelk: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa nvm its the same 450.66 version15:02
lotuspsychjelk: what about your software&sources/tab additional drivers15:02
lotuspsychjelk: tell me what you see there15:02
lklotuspsychje: with my ppa its 450/440 server/xorg, if I was to remove it would list 440/440 server/xorg15:03
lklotuspsychje: only problem is 440 wouldnt work for me15:03
lotuspsychjelk: your ppa?15:03
lkor is that the same :P15:04
lotuspsychjeah you added it yourself?15:04
lkotherwise it only offerred 44015:04
lotuspsychjelk: but does your additional drivers show other driver versions?15:04
lkwhich wasnt any good15:04
lkit shows the server version of 44015:04
lotuspsychjelike 435?15:05
lkhow about I remove my self installed stuff15:07
lkand reboot15:07
lotuspsychjelike what?15:07
lkthe 450 drivers15:07
lkbecause it offers me a different option15:07
lotuspsychjelk: well you need to be sure first if you got other driver versions first?15:08
lkits 440-nvidia-driver or 440-nvidia-driver-server or xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without the added ppa15:08
lk450-nvidia-driver or 440-nvidia-driver-server or xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without the added ppa15:09
lkwith the added*15:09
lotuspsychjeok, try with the 440 perhaps?15:09
lkok but I already have and it wont work :P15:09
lotuspsychjebut for 20.04 there are several bugs on the 44015:09
lkI really dont want to go down that rabbit hole15:09
lotuspsychjeyeah understand15:10
lotuspsychjelk: not sure why right mouse/launch doesnt work properly15:10
lotuspsychjetrying to think why..15:10
lotuspsychjenvidia-smi shows your GTX off, but that would be right when switcheroo loads default AMD15:11
lotuspsychjelk: seems there like an extension for it also https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/2203/gnome-run-with-prime/15:15
lotuspsychjecan you check if you can bypass it trying launch nouveau15:16
lkI never used this15:16
lkI came over from linux mint15:16
lklotuspsychje: nouveau is the open source drivers15:16
lkAlthough GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector.15:17
lotuspsychjelk: i know, i mean thats what i think happens, your system trys to launch nouveau instead of your nvidia driver15:17
lotuspsychjeand maybe run with prime could bypass it?15:17
lkok I installed the shell thing15:17
lknow how exactly do I bypass it15:18
lklike I Understand launch nouveau15:18
lkbut dont know the syntax here15:18
bertptrsHi all, not sure if this is the best place for this question, but here goes. For previous LTS releases I started getting update prompts as soon as the first point release was available, but it hasn't happened yet for bionic → focal. Is there a published reason for this?15:23
lotuspsychjelk: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension-data/screenshots/screenshot_2203.png15:27
lotuspsychjebertptrs: the upgrade path isnt open yet at this moment15:28
lotuspsychjebertptrs: see the status here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/1760415:28
lklotuspsychje: from the default launcher/ubuntus custom desktop shit I dont see the option15:29
lkI imagine I have to boot into gnome15:29
bertptrslotuspsychje: Thank you! So the grub issue from a few months ago is currently blocking the upgrade15:29
lotuspsychjelk: yeah, as its a gnome extension15:29
lkdoes ubuntu come with default gnome installed15:29
bertptrsApparently only one month. Time crawls in 2020 it seems15:29
lotuspsychjelk: ubuntu-desktop does, with DE were you on now?15:30
lkubuntu desktop15:30
lotuspsychjebertptrs: the devs are still working on a few bugs15:30
Lutinhi guys I installed squid-deb-proxy on ubuntu focal but it only runs on IPv6 port and not IPv4 I wonder why15:33
akemhpHey i got an issue setting date with the "date" command, its not applied for some reason; so i do something like: sudo date --set="1 OCT 2020"; it displays jeudi 1 octobre 2020, 00:00:00 (UTC+0200) which is ok; but then if i just type date again its the old date september; any idea ? it seems i don't have an NTP server running i wonder whats going on...15:33
bertptrswhich NTP servers did you check? GNOME and systemd both have one15:35
akemhpI just grepped for ntp bertptrs; maybe this is the issue: 633 ?        Ssl    0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd ?15:36
bertptrsCheck `timedatectl status`15:36
akemhpSystem clock synchronized: yes ; systemd-timesyncd.service active: yes15:37
bertptrsyou can use other subcommands to turn it off if it's running15:37
bertptrsakemhp: so it is running15:37
akemhpI guess that is why my date command dont work.15:37
akemhpOk thanks bertptrs; ill digg that.15:37
bertptrsOut of curiosity, why do you want to set your time incorrectly?15:37
akemhpbertptrs, Testing purpose for a script that run stuff for the next month...I wanna see it in action :P15:38
akemhpI know there is cron but i need so,ething different:15:39
akemhpIt <works, thanks!15:42
akemhpIts me again with another problem ofc :P15:59
akemhpAny idea why the pkill does not kill thoses process zith the pattern 'vpn'?16:00
akemhpHa ok i need the -f flag; weird i did not remember that.16:06
johnjaydid anyboy else have their desktop fonts shrink really tiny after restart today?16:08
johnjayapparently it's an old bug that resurfaced in 20.04. you can fix it by adjusting Scaling Factor in gnome-tweaks.16:08
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lotuspsychjejohnjay: its a known mutter bug still in progress16:09
johnjayok. it didn't appear until i installed updates and restarted today16:09
lotuspsychjejohnjay: bug #189252116:09
ubottubug 1892521 in mutter (Ubuntu) "Shell text is too big in mutter 3.36.4-0ubuntu0.20.04.2" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189252116:10
ryan-cI've got a monitor with a native resolution of 5120x1440 - every time i turn my screen off and back on ubuntu switches to 3840x1080. I'm using integrated intel graphics (i915). Any ideas?16:27
mortSo, I just tried upgrading to the 20.10 beta. Obviously, because Ubuntu sucks, something graphics related crashed during the upgrade, and the tmux session the upgrade was running in also somehow crashed after I continued the upgrade through ssh. Now, after the upgrade, apport-autoreport is in restart loop and the system idles at systemd consuming16:50
mort100% CPU. What do I do?16:50
akemhpThanks everyone.16:51
mortApparently, cleaning out /var/crash fixed it. But this is really bad; the error reporter can apparently get into a state where it causes systemd to use 100% CPU16:54
ryan-cwhen the monitor powers back on, i see "DDC gathered modelines" in my xorg log, but the 5120x1440 mode is missing17:08
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lklotuspsychje: so in my xorg conf it only lists nivida and not amd17:27
lkwait no17:28
lklol nvm17:28
lklotuspsychje: PROGRESS!!!17:30
lkadded Option "PrimaryGpu" "true" to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf17:31
lkso now it seems I have access to my graphics board but not my intergrated graphics17:33
tomreyn!ubuntu+1 | mort17:49
ubottumort: Groovy Gorilla is the codename for Ubuntu 20.10. For technical support, see #ubuntu+1. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.17:49
osseToday I learned about grub-reboot. My life is going to change for the better.17:53
justabeginnerhello people,18:01
justabeginnerI am seeking help to set up post installation of Ubuntu on my new Lenovo Ideapad Flex 5 with AMD Ryzen 4 4500 CPU18:02
justabeginnerI've install Groovy Gorilla (daily build)18:04
justabeginnernumber of issues, let me go one by one.18:04
justabeginnerthe trackpad is not working.18:06
justabeginnerhave upgrade kernel to Linux 5.9 which the touchscreen is became not working.  now I am booted to Linux 5.8 which touchscreen works18:08
justabeginnerthe reason for kernel upgrading is to get brightness control to work. as suggested by comments on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjegdWtHuOE18:09
tomreyn!ubuntu+1 | justabeginner18:13
ubottujustabeginner: Groovy Gorilla is the codename for Ubuntu 20.10. For technical support, see #ubuntu+1. For testing and QA feedback and help, see #ubuntu-quality.18:13
justabeginnerthanks tomreyn18:15
tomreynpersonally, i'd rather install 20.04 LTS - if that's possible - and then do whatever seems necessary to make things work, such as upgrade the graphics stack from a ppa, or use mainline kernel builds until there is a newer kernel available in ubuntu18:15
tomreyn... 20.04 via !HWE18:15
tomreynjustabeginner: ^18:16
lotuspsychjelk: messing with xorg sounds like a messy workaround for hybrid cards these days oO18:16
justabeginnerthat makes sense. I would see if I can install LTS.18:18
ryan-cmanually configuring xorg doesn't work18:22
tomreynjustabeginner: if 20.04 installs (you may want to  try the daily installer image rather than the release image), you will likely want to try one of the following PPAs on top of it for better graphics support: padoka, oibaf18:26
justabeginnerI am not quite get you here, daily installer image ? Isn't this 20.10 ?18:28
justabeginnerpoint noted for PPAs for better GPU driver tomreyn18:29
lklotuspsychje: my plan is to keep the nvidia card on when im home, and then switch to amd when I'm out(which is never, especially now).18:30
lotuspsychjelk: i dont think its really designed to be always on, if by default its on AMD18:31
lklotuspsychje: probably not, but I dont think firefox is gonna nuke my gpu.18:31
lotuspsychjeno :p18:32
lotuspsychjebut you might have more power consumption browsing the web18:32
tomreynjustabeginner: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/focal/daily-live/current/ for the installer and https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers for the updated mesa graphics stack18:32
lkI'm not concerned about my electric usage besides like existental environmental concerns.18:33
lkand for all I know this problem could be solved in 3 months18:34
lkor I figure out a better solution18:34
tomreynjustabeginner: if you haven't used an amdgpu driven graphics chipset with linux before: there is also the proprietary amdgpu-pro overlay for those cards, but we don't support it here. you'd need to get help with this from amd. and if youreally want to go that route you should definitely not use and updated mesa, kernel, amdgpu, ubuntu release.18:36
tomreynso unless you need to use the graphics card for compute, i don't think you want amdgpu-pro.18:37
lotuspsychjelk: its weird, cause here they say its fixed on bionic bug #176898818:41
ubottubug 1768988 in switcheroo-control (Ubuntu) "switcheroo-control fails to detect multi-gpu system" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/176898818:41
ryan-cOkay, well, making a manually edited xorg.conf did the trick.18:41
lklotuspsychje: they are using intel18:41
lklotuspsychje: my guess is this is related specifically to a amd/nvidia combo18:42
lkamd/amd and intel/nvidia is :thumbsup:18:42
lkbut amd/nvidia? you got some competition in thar18:42
tomreynif you're referring to the nvidia proprietary driver, then i think the only way you can control things is using nvidia-settings.18:45
tomreynif you're using all mesa backed / open source graphics drivers, then switcheroo should be fine18:45
lktomreyn: nvidia-settings literally has no option in it18:47
lktomreyn: and the open source driver is either absurdly slow or doesnt work18:47
lklike 70 fps on glxgears18:47
justabeginnerlast couple of years, I am good with AMD gpu driver from Debian repository (non free) . And never consider driver from official release. tomreyn18:47
tomreynjustabeginner: to my knowledge, the amdgpu driver is free software (its firmware is not).18:48
lkamdgpu is free18:49
lktomreyn: ok if I try this and reboot, is there a chance xorg wont load? :P18:49
tomreynlk: definitely18:49
lklets write this down18:50
lotuspsychjelk: if things are so messy like this, i would go for a new !bug if it was me18:50
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs.18:50
justabeginnernever understood AMD GPU license in free world. Also, when buying, I am advised to go with AMD rather Nvdia for better free software support from community18:51
lotuspsychjelk: and explain your whole story from 5.4 and 5.6 etc18:52
justabeginnerthank you tomreyn for clarifcation that there is daily built within LTS release. (coming from Debian, it is new)18:52
oerheksnvidia and wayland, no go.18:52
lotuspsychjelk: but better file it from 5.4 default kernel first18:53
lktomreyn: : guess what happened18:59
lklotuspsychje: I think 5.6 may be better because I'm not gonna backtrace all my steps...19:00
tomreynjustabeginner: those aren't officially supported, they could be broken, but uslla ythey just work fine.19:00
ubottuThe kernel team supply continuous mainline kernel builds which can be useful for tracking down issues or testing recent changes in the Linux kernel. More information is available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/MainlineBuilds19:00
oerheksone can test them, but i would stick to the official updates19:00
lkcomplaint about ubuntu in general19:01
lkin linux mint in my files program19:01
lkI can right click and say open in terminal19:01
lkor open as root19:01
lkI cant here19:01
lotuspsychjeoerheks: we tested his system, and his amd is too new for 5.4 so it seems19:01
tomreyn!enter | lk19:01
ubottulk: Please try and keep as much of your info as possible on ONE line - easier to follow for everyone.19:01
tomreyn!discuss | lk19:01
ubottulk: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks!19:01
oerheksoh, mint ..19:02
* oerheks walks away19:02
justabeginnerI am looking for solution to use Firefox with scrolling with finger, (not on scroll bar). This is suppose to be discussed here or on Firefox channel ?19:03
lotuspsychjelk: think it would be still advisable to file the bug on default kernel first, then just describe you got it working better on 5.619:03
lotuspsychjelk: you will help yourself and the community and inform the devs about your issue19:04
lkI left a comment here as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/switcheroo-control/+bug/176898819:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1768988 in switcheroo-control (Ubuntu) "switcheroo-control fails to detect multi-gpu system" [High,Fix released]19:06
oerheksyour comment is not suitable for that bugreport19:08
lotuspsychjelk: well thats only if we proved its the switcheroo mechanism would be faulty19:08
tomreynjustabeginner: Another IdeaPad 5 on ubuntu 20.04 user:  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-7-4700U-Daily-Driver19:08
lotuspsychjelk: doesnt take very long, boot 5.4 and ubuntu-bug linux, done!19:08
lkwhat package should I put down in ubuntu-bug? linux-firmware?19:09
lotuspsychjelk: we not really sure what makes it faulty yet, so the devs might add/changes packages anyways19:09
lklotuspsychje: Ok, so I did that, should I wait for the page to load before I reboot back into 5.619:12
lotuspsychjelk: it will forward you to launchpad; enter a title + description19:12
lkit says "Extra debug information will be added to the bug report automatically."19:12
lotuspsychjeyep, usefull info19:12
tomreynjustabeginner: for a newer kernel, i'd install (via apt) packages linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge and linux-generic-hwe-20.04 ; if you want something even newer i'd use https://github.com/pimlie/ubuntu-mainline-kernel.sh (not supported here, but self-explanatory from --help output)19:13
lkWhere do I go from here to enter a title and description?19:13
lotuspsychjelk: you took switcheroo package19:13
lotuspsychjelk: better ubuntu-bug linux19:14
lkI did that and then rebooted and did what you said19:14
lkby the time it clicked in my head, too late.19:14
lotuspsychjeyou can still abort in this stage19:15
lkWhere? How?19:15
justabeginnergood reading about Ryzen 4 CPU with Ubuntu OS tomreyn19:15
oerheksryzen 5 cpu and 1650 gtx nvidia, iirc19:15
lotuspsychjelk: close launchpad and ubuntu-bug linux19:15
oerheksdisable amds gpu in bios.19:16
lklotuspsychje: again?19:16
lotuspsychjeok nap time for me19:17
tomreynjustabeginner: I can't help with your firefox, question, though. It works on a touchscreen system i have (running 20.04).19:17
justabeginneryou use touchscreen system tomreyn?19:18
justabeginneryou can simply scroll page by touching anywhere the page and scroll ? When I do that, text selection happens19:19
tomreynjustabeginner: use, not really, have one which supports it, yes19:19
tomreynlet me try this quickly so i'm not telling you something wrong19:19
lktomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1894391 if you see lotus again, he worked a lot with me on this so he may want to comment.19:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1894391 in linux (Ubuntu) "AMD/Nvidia switchable graphics not working" [Undecided,New]19:22
justabeginnerI've upgrade kernel by simply downloading from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.9-rc3/amd64/ and dpkg -i *.deb19:22
oerhekslk,  when i read your bugreport, you are not up2date?19:24
oerheksApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.6 .. current for focal updates is 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.8   -- https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apport19:25
oerhekssudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # and reboot19:25
tomreynjustabeginner: this is bug 1697122 - will be fixed with firefox 81, or you can work around it using   export MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=119:32
ubottubug 1697122 in firefox (Ubuntu) "Package Firefox with MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 in environment to enable pixel scrolling with touchpad and touch gestures" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/169712219:32
tomreynjustabeginner: downloading kernel images like you did there is technically possible, but you'll get no chance to verify their authenticity (gpg signatures) unless you take further measures (or use the shell script i pointed to, or another, which does the same)19:34
tomreynlk: is this ubuntu, or "linux lite"?19:47
oerhekshe was complaining about mint .. i wonder19:49
lktomreyn: ubuntu20:02
oerheksupgrade properly, and try again?20:03
oerheksnot updated systems give false bugreports20:04
FaTaL_Gman, I wish alllllllllll of the services and supportiv apps and other utilities packaged with ubuntu respected the fact that net.ipv6 = nope, then stop trying, and recording errors. Would it be worth putting in requests with each one to silence it and not try if ipv6 is off?20:27
lkoerheks: I know because i tested this in multiple distros20:31
lkbut sure20:31
lkoerheks: same issue20:35
cluonbeamFaTaL_G: Perhaps stop trying to disable ipv6 and you won't have that problem.20:49
FaTaL_Gcluonbeam, I'm not sure why so many take that position - instead of forcing an imperfect feature onto us that as it stands, nearly no one needs, keep the feature, have it enabled by default, and don't look to disable something someone(s) decided you want.20:59
tatertotzFaTaL_G: are you actually having a technical problem? or just venting?21:00
jpdsFaTaL_G: IPv6 works fine on all my systems21:01
cluonbeamFaTaL_G: Probably because there's a ton of ipv4 functionality that runs through ipv6 code. It's an integrated network stack. Disabling ipv6 can cause unforeseen issues. And plenty of people need IPv6. Like the entire world. And I'm not sure why you're calling it imperfectr.21:01
cluonbeamFaTaL_G: Leave it alone. It's enabled by default for a ton of good reasons. Don't screw with the network stack because "reasons."21:01
FaTaL_Gtatertotz, I actually was asking the question I asked. The problem is more of a nuisance, log entries from various services/apps because it has ipv6 on, but its disabled on my system, by me21:02
cluonbeamFaTaL_G: Disabling it is causing your nuisance/issues. Don't do that, problem solved.21:02
cluonbeamLiterally a "it hurts when I do this - then don't do that" issue.21:02
tatertotzFaTaL_G: oh okay..you're not actually having a technical problen21:02
cluonbeamtatertotz: No, just one of those people who thinks they know better.21:03
cluonbeamHmm, that did not fully survive translation. Ah well.21:03
FaTaL_GThe issue is a nuisance, but requires technical which is, if ipv6 is off, don't try to use it service a b c and record entries with errors that it is off. Do I think I know better? No not at all. I'm learning, as I presume we all do, everyday in one way or another. I'm using the machine as a router, I want to avoid ipv6 since I don't know it yet.21:08
FaTaL_GIve read plenty of notes about security with it. I'll learn it eventually21:08
FaTaL_GI am not aware of a single reason for me to have it. And Linux has existed for quite a long time before ipv6 came along. So what am I missing?21:09
cluonbeamFaTaL_G: The point. Stop disabling ipv6. You aren't solving any issues whatsoever, and if you don't have ipv6 connectivity globally, its presence doesn't hurt you in the slightest.21:11
cluonbeamAnd if you DO, then hey, you'll get to find out that IPv6 is EASIER to manage than IPv4. :)21:12
FaTaL_GWouldn't then I need iptable rules for ipv4 and 6, as well as routing rules, and any filters set (not at a MAC leve), to handle both?21:13
cluonbeamYup. All of which function identically to IPv4.21:14
cluonbeamThere's nothing new to learn.21:14
cluonbeamExcept that addresses look different.21:14
cluonbeamAnd there's no NAT, which is a godsend.21:15
FaTaL_GWell unless I am missing something, this means every action I take from a router perspective now requires actions for ipv4 as well as ipv6, and there's no nat at all? so every ip in my network is addressable "directly" instead of being obfuscated due to the limitations of ipv4? yea, sounds like it has benefits but in my application more risks until I know what I'm doing21:19
cluonbeamFaTaL_G: Firewall rules function the same way as IPv4. "Default deny in" and you don't have to worry about that.21:19
cluonbeamBut anyway, you're dead set on this despite any facts presented, so have fun.21:20
xtaodo you actually have ipv6 connectivity through your isp? if not then it makes no difference at all as nothing is ever going to get routed to it over ipv621:20
FaTaL_Gno, we dont yet, but they can turn it on whenever they choose21:21
jpdsFaTaL_G: If you don't actually have IPv6 from your ISP, why are you complaining about anything?21:21
jpdsPlease take this off-topic nonsense elsewhere21:21
FaTaL_Gindeed. I got the answer to the question.21:22
vlmwhen writing to /dev/null does anything ever get written to hard drive,or is it discarded into ram or something else?21:25
jpdsvlm: Just goes into a blackhole in the kernel21:26
vlmjpds: ahh so dont have to worry about wear on my hard drive then?21:26
jpdsvlm: No21:26
vlmjpds: thanks!21:26
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siloxidI have a HP pavilion with no model name, nothing on it, but it has a dead battery. how can I get the name so I can have the battery replaced?22:57
tatertotzsiloxid: are you chatting from the computer right now?23:01
siloxidtatertotz: I'm on a different one. it's a friend's computer23:03
tatertotzthat's not really ubuntu related, especially if that computer is running WIndows23:03
siloxidtatertotz: uname -a says Linux michael-HP-Pavilion Notebook 4.15.0-88-generic #88-Ubuntu SMP ... x86_64 GNU/Linux23:06
FaTaL_Gususally the number on the battery is all you need to get to lookup a replacement. Model helps, but the battery itself will == success23:08
Maiksiloxid: install inxi then run 'sudo inxi -M ' to get the info of your machine you need, this will include the serial number too.23:10
Maikif you run it without sudo, it won't show the serial number.23:11
siloxidty Maik, FaTaL_G23:11
Maikthat way you can search for a replacement battery, if it is still available23:12
Maiksiloxid: yw23:12
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