[00:15] <plujon> Does chromium-browser-dbg no longer exist?
[00:15] <plujon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Chromium/Debugging mentions it, but on Ubuntu 18.04, apt-cache search chromium-browser-dbg returns nothing.
[00:18] <Bashing-om> !info chromium-browser-dbg bionic
[00:21] <Bashing-om> !info chromium-browser-dbg xenial
[00:24] <sarnold> plujon: are you looking for http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/universe/c/chromium-browser/ ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Debug%20Symbol%20Packages
[01:15] <lk> my nvidia drivers are not working
[01:15] <plujon> sarnold: Thanks; looks like what I'm after!
[01:16] <sarnold> plujon: nice :)
[01:21] <javango> Hi. How can I know that the model of digital piano I want to buy will work on ubuntu? Sorry if it is wrong quesiton for this channel. I couldn't find any information about my model on Internet
[01:21] <javango> It is Casio PX-S1000
[01:22] <javango> Or may be Ubuntu will work with any usb midi keyboards?
[01:23] <sarnold> javango: there's folks in #lau who might be better suited to know this .. I'm not sure :/
[01:23] <sarnold> I'd like to think things are standardized enough to not be a problem, but .. lst time I looked at synths they were too expensive to gamble :)
[03:07] <goddard> why isn't ntfsfix always ran by default?
[03:07] <goddard> or at least prompted
[05:24] <luna_> Hello, my computer failed to update from a 5.4 kernel to a 5.8 kernel as i did not have enough diskspace, and broke my system, any easy way to fix this from a live DVD or is reinstalling the best option?
[05:24] <Maik> luna_: stop cross posting please
[05:24] <luna_> sorry
[05:25] <Maik> asking in one ubuntu channel is enough :)
[05:25] <luna_> ok
[05:26] <Maik> kernel 5.8? That one isn't even released yet on Ubuntu yet, at least not for 20.04
[05:26] <luna_> Maik: i am running 20.08 Rolling Rhino, so maybe more a question for #ubuntu+1
[05:27] <Maik> not sure, ubuntu+1 is actually for the next dev release, in this case 20.10
[05:31] <Maik> luna_: the rolling release isn't even a official release so there's no support for it here
[05:31] <Maik> only official releases are supported
[05:33] <luna_> yeah i get that
[05:35] <Maik> luna_:  i'd turn to Martin Wimpress who created the tool, join Wimpy's World on discord. they have a channel on their server for Rolling Rhino.
[05:36] <Maik> here's a invite for you: https://discord.gg/ZbXPDD
[05:41] <luna_> Maik: i am there already
[05:44] <Maik> ok
[05:47] <Maik> luna_: you also know that Rolling Rhino is intended for Ubuntu developers and experienced Ubuntu users?
[05:48] <Maik> https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2020/06/ubuntu-rolling-release-rhino-tool
[06:08] <ace_me> Any ideea please on how to fix this on system ?
[06:08] <ace_me> "system does not fully support snapd: cannot mount squashfs image using "squashfs": mount: /tmp/sanity-mountpoint-673953061"
[06:11] <ace_me> main.go:129: system does not fully support snapd:
[06:13] <Maik> ace_me: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/60859806/chromeos-error-system-does-not-fully-support-snapd-cannot-mount-squashfs-imag
[06:14] <Maik> check if libsquashfuse0 squashfuse fuse  are installed
[06:15] <Maik> ace_me: or this one maybe: https://dausruddin.com/ubuntu-system-does-not-fully-support-snapd-cannot-mount-squashfs-image-using-squashfs/
[06:23] <luna_> Maik: yeah i do
[06:24] <luna_> do someone know how to mount a ZFS disk on an Ubuntu live DVD?
[06:25] <guiverc> luna_, you've indicated you're using Rhino, off-topic here (my groovy system is too)
[06:25] <ace_me> I now do Maik apt-get install --reinstall linux-image-`uname -r`
[06:25] <ace_me> after it finish we'll see
[06:25] <luna_> guiverc: continued in #ubuntu+1
[06:26] <Maik> luna_: Just some good advice, since you give the impression not to be a experienced user i would stay away from the Rolling Rhino tool and use LTS releases as a daily driver. :)
[06:28] <luna_> don't feel like reinstalling however
[06:28] <Maik> ace_me: ok. I'm afk in a few though.
[06:28] <ace_me> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
[06:28] <ace_me> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:29] <Maik> luna_: that just takes up to 15 minutes or so, depending on your machine's hardware.
[06:29] <ace_me> vps provider moved our instalation to a new server and from that moment things are not working
[06:29] <luna_> Maik: backuping up the home dir i can't mount to a spare hdd i don't have take longer however
[06:30] <luna_> i rather don't remove all my files
[06:31] <Maik> can't you access your home dir through a live usb session and copy the files from there to a external hdd?
[06:32] <luna_> Maik: maybe but don't have any empty external HDD with enough space
[06:32] <Maik> ouch
[06:32] <th4ntis> Can someone help me figure out why I can get this sddm login to work for me "https://store.kde.org/p/1374247/" My login screen says QtQuickControls 2.4 isn't installed. So I installed "qtquickcontrols2-5-dev" but that doesn't seem to do it.
[06:33] <Maik> luna_: and that's why i don't recommend rolling releases like Rhino is as a daily driver, one can run into nasty issues
[07:23] <ace_me> sudo modprobe loop
[07:23] <ace_me> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.0/modules.dep.bin'
[07:23] <ace_me> modprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0
[07:38] <ace_me> what means
[07:38] <ace_me>     Searching for splash image ... none found, skipping ...
[07:39] <EriC^^> ace_me: sounds like it's searching for the boot logo, when do you get this msh
[07:39] <EriC^^> *msg
[07:41] <ace_me> and
[07:41] <ace_me> sudo modprobe loop
[07:41] <ace_me> modprobe: ERROR: ../libkmod/libkmod.c:586 kmod_search_moddep() could not open moddep file '/lib/modules/4.4.0/modules.dep.bin'
[07:41] <ace_me> modprobe: FATAL: Module loop not found in directory /lib/modules/4.4.0
[07:41] <ace_me> what does this means EriC^^ ?
[07:42] <ace_me> ^^
[07:42] <ace_me> nice nick... people always smile to you when ask question ^^
[07:44] <ace_me> can modules.dep.bin be installed or is part of the kernel ?
[07:44] <ace_me> my main issue is that snap ccanot be installed
[07:48] <ace_me> EriC^^: I get that msg on sudo apt autoremove for example and I cannot finish the instalation of anything as it stops there
[07:48] <ace_me> maybe with a CTRL+C it continues but mostly ssh@... reboot
[07:53] <tomreyn> ace_me: can you show the outputs of     lsb_release -ds     and    cat /proc/version    ?
[07:53] <tomreyn> should be one line each, so you can paste it here directly (if so)
[07:58] <tomreyn> also     hostnamectl status | grep Virtualization
[08:23] <DarwinElf> is there a list of all standard uid:gid for all users & groups used by all core & official extra packages/daemons/etc.?
[08:26] <tomreyn> not that i know of. you'll best just reinstall.
[08:28] <tomreyn> (I'm assuming you're asking this question because you recursively overwrote ownership and/or permissions, which is what 99,9% of the others asking this question did.)
[08:29] <DarwinElf> no, I did not.  Just some of the uid:gid are unusual
[08:30] <DarwinElf> and when I add software it seems some are just added in order rather than being set to a standard like many older, strictly Unix-like operating systems (OS)
[08:30] <luna_> Got the system saved now, just having a small system, missing the kernel module to get Ethernet working, anyone can help me solve that?
[08:34] <tomreyn> luna_: please don't keep cross posting
[08:41] <DarwinElf> for example, if a username is its own group (rather than using users group) why does group 1000 go to sambashare rather than the first desktop/GUI user?
[08:41] <EriC^^> DarwinElf: can you give an example? paste.ubuntu.com
[08:42] <DarwinElf> line in /etc/group: sambashare:x:1000:user
[08:43] <EriC^^> i have :x:128:user
[08:43] <DarwinElf> in a more old-style Debian system 1000 is for wheel, not sambashare (you'd think at least it goes to the first user, even if there is no wheel group, just the group being their username)
[08:44] <EriC^^> which ubuntu version is this?
[08:44] <DarwinElf> that's fine, but the group in the case of that line is sambashare.  Just reread as: sambashare:x:1000:
[08:45] <EriC^^> yeah but 1000 is the gid, i think it should be 128 or so
[08:45] <DarwinElf> i'm asking about group 1000, not 128
[08:45] <EriC^^> isnt group 1000 the gid of the user? those numbers+ are for the added users usually
[08:46] <DarwinElf> yes, if you see 23 minutes ago, that's what I'm asking about, and in this case, gid 1000
[08:47] <luna_> Anyone know how to install Qualcomm Atheros Killer E220x Gigabit Ethernet Controller modules/drivers in Ubuntu ?
[08:50] <tomreyn> DarwinElf: non system UIDs and GIDs are assigned by using the first free one (starting at 1000)
[08:50] <tomreyn> that's on debian and derivatives
[08:51] <DarwinElf> so why was gid 1000 given to sambashare rather than the username I wrote during installation?
[08:51] <DarwinElf> anyway, the particular '*ubuntu' is KDE Neon...
[08:52] <tomreyn> i assume that in this case the samba server was setup before the user was created.
[08:52] <DarwinElf> they say they're 'not a distribution' (only focusing on KDE) so I didn't think they'd bother with that question (they just put a newer KDE on Ubuntu or Kubuntu)
[08:52] <Maik> luna_: why you keep cross posting when we told you not to do so on IRC, Telegram and discord?
[08:52] <DarwinElf> i didn't do any out-of-the-ordinary installation...
[08:53] <DarwinElf> doesn't look like that PC even has a samba server, just some libraries for it...
[08:53] <tomreyn> DarwinElf: we only support ubuntu and official flavours here. if this is a kubuntu system, you can get support, but it doesn't sound like it.
[08:54] <DarwinElf> it probably basically is just with KDE updated more often
[08:54] <tomreyn> there's also ##linux, and maybe another channel for what what you chose to install
[08:54] <DarwinElf> it's not really a kernel question...
[08:55] <DarwinElf> their site says: 'Is it a distro? Not quite, it's a package archive with the latest KDE software on top of a stable base.'  I don't know what they mean by archive/base other than some stable version of *ubuntu...
[08:56] <DarwinElf> so whatever they did, it doesn't sound like they changed /etc/group & /etc/passwd ...
[08:57] <DarwinElf> it says it's on LTS Ubuntu... just is KDE's own thing (whatever they want to call it, not distribution)
[08:58] <tomreyn> !based on ubuntu
[08:59] <Maik> DarwinElf: though Neon uses Ubuntu as a base it is not supported in this channel because it's not a official flavor
[09:00] <b247_eu> Hi there anyone with experience in using pulseaudio?
[09:01] <Maik> kde neon has it's own channel elsewhere by the way
[09:01] <tomreyn> b247_eu: hi. it's best to directly ask your specific question, then anyone reading it can either respond directly to it or not.
[09:01] <guiverc> b247_eu, I suspect most of use pulseaudio but it'll depend what you want (and what OS/release you are using)
[09:01] <DarwinElf> alright, well I still hope someday there's a list of Ubuntu gid:uid for all core & official extra packages; that was my initial question...
[09:08] <b247_eu> I have a Ubuntu 20.04 laptop that use a a network sink (located on a Debian 9 RPI 3 - here it goes the network source); RPi has both hdmi-connected to TV and 3.5jack connected to an amplifier. The sound goes well from my laptop to RPI but the output sound is only on HDMI; I need to output the sound on 3.5 analog only
[09:11] <b247_eu> @guiverc what do you think? can you guide me? i can send all the details, like modules used, OS and so ...
[09:13] <tomreyn> b247_eu: sounds like an advanced configuration, defintely not somehting i could help with. in case you can't find help with it here, try #lad, too.
[09:14] <guiverc> I couldn't help either.. you're best asking the group as you initially did; if someone can help they'll speak up (be patient also, most of us are busy on other things & look when we can)
[09:14] <tomreyn> maybe ##linux as well. and maybe there's a pulse audio channel as well, you may need to ask irc user alis (a bot) about it.
[09:17] <luna_> fixed my broken system now with help, now time to watch aKademy :)
[09:18] <lotuspsychje> in wich of the 5 channels
[09:26] <mra90> what is a difference between export VARIABLE=XYZ and just VARIABLE=XYZ?
[09:27] <EriC^^> mra90: export goes to the subshells as well if im correct
[09:28] <mra90> ahh right
[09:47] <mra90> I have a compilation error on ubuntu "<strdint.h> No such file or directory"
[09:47] <mra90> what am I missing here?
[09:53] <jelly> mra90, maybe you're not missing anything but have an extra r characted in <stdint.h> ?
[09:54] <mra90> jelly, no I have made a typo only here
[09:55] <jelly> mra90, then see if installing build-essential helps things
[09:55] <mra90> sudo apt-get install build-essentails  - I have alreeady done it
[10:28] <Psil0Cybin> anyone have luck installing ubuntu or debian on an hp laptop
[10:28] <Psil0Cybin> no its a brand new hp laptop and it came preinstalled with windows
[10:28] <Psil0Cybin> i enabled legacy boot and disabled safe mode and i cannot boot anything
[10:28] <Psil0Cybin> its really bugging me
[10:30] <Maik> Psil0Cybin: never go for the newest stuff. Always try to pick a bit older hardware if you want to switch to Linux.
[10:30] <tomreyn> Psil0Cybin: any error messages? what's the last thing you get to see when you try to boot? how was the installer media setup? which ubuntu version are you trying to install?
[10:31] <tomreyn> disable "fast boot", too
[10:33] <Maik> Psil0Cybin: is there a PCIe NVMe SSD M.2 in it by any chance?
[10:34] <jeremy31> Psil0Cybin: should leave it UEFI only if Windows was installed that way
[10:36] <jeremy31> Intel Optane?
[10:37] <Psil0Cybin> okay but it came preinstaleld with windows i want to format it and just use Debian
[10:37] <Psil0Cybin> as my main OS
[10:37] <Psil0Cybin> I got it to boot debian but it could not partition anything
[10:37] <tomreyn> then you're asking on the wrong channel
[10:37] <Psil0Cybin> debian or ubuntu at this point who cares
[10:37] <Psil0Cybin> to be honest
[10:38] <Psil0Cybin> i just do not want windows 10
[10:38] <tomreyn> we can try to support you installing ubuntu, not debian
[10:38] <tomreyn> at least on this channel
[10:39] <Maik> Psil0Cybin: join #debian please, this channel is for support with Ubuntu and it's official flavors only.
[10:40] <tomreyn> they did, cross posting
[10:40] <Maik> another one?
[10:40] <Psil0Cybin> the prob is the bios is REALLY basic I am shocked
[10:40] <Psil0Cybin> its a brand new machine my friend gave me , kind of like a give away now it makes sense and its just like very new very thin, i cannot even find a bios update for widows to try to get more advanced settings
[10:41] <Psil0Cybin> but all i could do is set legacy boot to enabled and saftey to disabled.
[10:44] <tomreyn> feel free to asnwer the questions i asked above when you'Re ready to install ubuntu, and we can take it from there
[10:46] <Psil0Cybin> ok
[10:46] <Psil0Cybin> will get a xubuntu iso ready
[10:57] <gst568923> Hi guys, I would like to know when I remove a snap application using snap-store all the files including the configuration ones are removed or can remain some residues?
[11:06] <tomreyn> gst568923: snaps have write access to $the HOME/snap directory by default, if i recall correctly, so they could write there, and i assume there are no guarantees for anything written there to be removed.
[11:07] <tomreyn> those which have been whitelisted for 'classic' access restrictions may also r/w anywhere else on the disk
[11:08] <tomreyn> all of this is from my somewhat fragile memory, may not be entirely correct. but maybe there's documentation.
[11:10] <ThinkT510> gst568923: this is a good start: https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/managing-ubuntu-snaps/
[11:14] <gst568923> ThinkT510 good
[11:15] <gst568923> ThinkT510 but so if, for example, once I have deleted skype with snap-store and the $HOME/snap/skype folder remains, I can safely delete it manually? there are no other paths where residues can remain to be eliminated manually
[11:17] <ThinkT510> gst568923: according to that article what is in $HOME/snap/ are simply user settings.
[11:18] <tomreyn> https://snapcraft.io/docs/snap-confinement and https://snapcraft.io/docs/interface-management discusses possible locations
[11:18] <tomreyn> or rather conditions of making locations available, and how to tell which conditions apply
[12:01] <akemhp> Hi, is there q simple way to block internet data if it uses more than X GB upload or download but keep local net functionnal?
[12:04] <tomreyn> akemhp: the only 'simple' approach there is would be https://askubuntu.com/questions/1225868/what-does-restrict-background-data-usage-do-in-network-settings
[12:05] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:08] <akemhp> tomreyn, Does it keep local net over wifi untouched?
[12:10] <akemhp> tomreyn, I think i have another solution though a bit more complicated it will be more flexible. A script using "vnstat".
[12:11] <tomreyn> akemhp: it doesn't try to apply traffci shaping based on destination, no. it's also not exactly what you asked for.
[12:11] <makaveli> managed to fix my 2 monitor issue after update... i switched from gnome and installed kde-plasma... worked straight away.
[12:11] <tomreyn> akemhp: "it" being network managers' "restrict background ata usage"
[12:11] <akemhp> tomreyn, Thanks anyway. Yeah, i think vnstat will be fine.
[12:12] <tomreyn> vnstat is a network traffic monitor
[12:16] <akemhp> tomreyn, I know, but just a script running in background checking the interface with vnstat once in a while, and shutting down the interface if traffic goes over the limits. It should work. Just need to get my script kiddy skillz on :P
[12:20] <tomreyn> ip -s link    may be easier
[12:23] <akemhp> tomreyn, Interesting, yep, thank you.
[12:25] <tomreyn> that's just per interface, of course, not target specific.
[12:26] <akemhp> tomreyn, Exactly what i need since its for a VPN virtual interface.
[12:27] <akemhp> Anything on that interface must be stopped if RX/TX goes over the limit so i shut it down.
[12:28] <akemhp> I was wondering how RX and TX are reseted or loop back at some point. Though it should not impact me ofc. I wanna limit the interface to 20 GB max for the month then shut it down.
[12:29] <akemhp> 15 or 20 something like that.
[12:30] <tomreyn> bringing the interface down will reset the statistics, i think
[12:31] <akemhp> I think so.
[12:32] <akemhp> Thats real good; should be easier than i thought. Thanks again.
[12:34] <tomreyn> what you really want there is traffic accounting, but that's not just as simple
[12:36] <tomreyn> https://shorewall.org/Accounting.html
[12:38] <tomreyn> or directly with iptables https://catonmat.net/traffic-accounting-with-iptables
[12:42] <akemhp> Nop, no need for more complicated, what i got is just what i was after. Thanks anyway tomreyn. I dont need per app or per users or anything more advanced.
[12:43] <tomreyn> ok. :)
[12:44] <tomreyn> i just 'found' pmacct, too, which is in ubuntu, and not too complicated. but may still be over the top for you. and you'd need to do promiscuous mode, which is not nice.
[13:01] <lk> when using bumblebee I get this error
[13:01] <lk> [  667.634258] [ERROR]Cannot access secondary GPU - error: [XORG] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[13:04] <tomreyn> lk: "nvidia" is the proprietary driver for nvidia graphics cards. it is available on supported ubuntu releases using the "ubuntu-drivers" command.
[13:04] <tomreyn> bumblebee is no longer how you do muxless graphics on current ubuntu releases, though.
[13:08] <lk> tomreyn: I have it installed.
[13:08] <lk> tomreyn: In fact I have the 450 drivers instead because the 440 drivers couldn't even detect the card.
[13:08] <lk> I installed bumblebee because I cant get xorg to use my darn nvidia card
[13:09] <tomreyn> i'm not qualified to support you in making nvidia proprietary drivers work.
[13:10] <lk> ok
[13:10] <lk> how about the open source ones
[13:11] <lk> actually no
[13:11] <lk> ill wait for someon else who can help
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> lk: as tomreyn said, bumblebee is not the way to go anymore
[13:11] <lotuspsychje> lk: wich chipset is this exactly?
[13:13] <lk> LouWestin_: 1650 gtx
[13:13] <lotuspsychje> lk: wich driver versions give: ubuntu-drivers list please
[13:14] <lk> lotuspsychje: full command?
[13:14] <lotuspsychje> lk: ubuntu-drivers list
[13:15] <lk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/KTH4Z9XjxJ/
[13:15] <dev4449> Hi
[13:16] <dev4449> Had any also had trouble installing latest docker engine on  20.04?
[13:16] <lotuspsychje> lk: is there a reason why you are on kernel 5.6?
[13:16] <lk> lotuspsychje: only way to get amd graphics working lol
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> lk: amd graphics with nvidia chipset?
[13:17] <lk> lotuspsychje: ryzen 5 cpu and 1650 gtx nvidia
[13:17] <lotuspsychje> amd cpu you mean
[13:17] <lk> yes
[13:18] <lotuspsychje> lk: so what happens when you boot kernel 5.4 exactly?
[13:18] <lk> lotuspsychje: software graphics rendering.
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> sorry?
[13:19] <lotuspsychje> disformed graphics on desktop?
[13:19] <lk> lotuspsychje: ati is used.
[13:19] <lk> rather them amdgpu or nvidia
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> lk: could you boot into kernel 5.4.0-45-generic and pastebin us your dmesg please?
[13:20] <lk> sure.
[13:20] <lotuspsychje> tnx
[13:21] <dev4449> anyone?
[13:22] <tomreyn> dev4449: asking specific questions is much preferred over polls here.
[13:23] <tomreyn> !details
[13:23] <lk> lotuspsychje: this is weird, when I boot up I get no boot options menu
[13:23] <lk> the heck
[13:23] <dev4449> tomreyn: ok
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> lk: you mean you cant enter grub?
[13:24] <lk> lotuspsychje: well I obviously go through grub, given my computer still boots up
[13:24] <lk> but i get no bootloader screen
[13:24] <lotuspsychje> lk: what about F1 switch to textboot?
[13:24] <lk> ill try brb
[13:25] <lotuspsychje> !nomodeset | lk see also
[13:25] <tomreyn> the grub menu doesn't display by default
[13:26] <tomreyn> in uefi boot mode you'd need to hit escape (possibly repeatedly) to bring it up
[13:26] <ledeni> tomreyn: yes need pres 'shift '
[13:27] <lk> tomreyn: escape gives me the grub terminal
[13:27] <lk> :P
[13:27] <lk> ah shift
[13:27] <lk> ok perfect
[13:27] <Checkmate> guys how to deny access to the port 80 from all except one ip?
[13:28] <lotuspsychje> Checkmate: check the #netfilter channel for firewall experts
[13:29] <tomreyn> ledeni: wasn't it shift for legacy bios? i always forget which is which.
[13:29] <lk> lotuspsychje: so you wanted dmesg
[13:29] <lotuspsychje> lk: yes please
[13:30] <lk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/hDGjy8Rx5H/
[13:31] <lk> lotuspsychje: I also want you to see this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/P4Tq5dDQrG/
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> lk: can we see a: sudo lshw -C video , too please
[13:33] <lk> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/QR8G7fbKsj/
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> hmmm ok thats pretty weird
[13:34] <ledeni> tomreyn:  me too always miss boot twice lol
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> lk: on the first sight your dmesg looks pretty sane to me, i think your case is a switcheroo nvidia/amd but not sure why neither graphics load
[13:35] <lk> amd will load in 5.6
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> lk: both graphics show unclaimed, means driver didnt load
[13:35] <lk> in 5.4 ;)
[13:35] <lk> in 5.6 amd atleast loads
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> lk: i think switcheroo hybrids you need to enable one or the other yourself
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> but im not sure how myself
[13:37] <lotuspsychje> lk: this is the wiki, last edited 2015: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> !info switcheroo-control | lk with this maybe
[13:39] <dev4449> tomreyn: Thanks. Was gathering all the info when I encountered a stack overflow question where one of the answers solved my problem.
[13:41] <lotuspsychje> lk: if you can enable neither of them on 5.4 i would advice to file a new !bug
[13:43] <lotuspsychje> *cant
[13:57] <lotuspsychje> lk: seems like you're on the right track with 5.6 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ryzen7-4700u-linux&num=1
[13:58] <lk> ok ill try switcheroo-control
[13:58] <lk>  only works if you are using the opensource driver (nouveau, radeon) and not the proprietary ones (nvidia, fglrx).
[13:58] <lk> noap
[14:00] <lotuspsychje> lk: maybe try the switcheroo from 5.6
[14:00] <lk> it only works with open source drivers
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> lk: other bugs like bug #1888088 also mention renoir is too new for 5.4 so it seems
[14:05] <lk> I think im gonna wait 3 months and hope ubuntu figures this all out :p
[14:05] <lotuspsychje> lk: maybe your case would be good to test out ubuntu 20.10 with kernel 5.8 aswell
[14:06] <lk> I could do that
[14:06] <lotuspsychje> would be nice for yourself and the community you test
[14:07] <lk> alright, ill give it a whirl later today :P
[14:08] <lotuspsychje> lk: check also bug #1879287
[14:09] <lk> interesting
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> lk: you got nvidia-prime installed?
[14:10] <lk> yes
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> lk: can you check via nvidia-settings if you can switch cards there please
[14:10] <lk> I have done that
[14:10] <lk> and I cant
[14:10] <lotuspsychje> lk: greyed out or something?
[14:10] <lk> literally not there
[14:11] <lk> ill take a screenshot
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> no its ok i believe you
[14:11] <lotuspsychje> lk: its because they both unclaimed on 5.4
[14:12] <lk> on 5.6 I can get amd working free and clear and I have the nvidia card atleast /there/ with 5.6 and nvidia 450 graphics.
[14:12] <lk> but I cant use it
[14:12] <lk> yey
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> lk: im interested in a screenshot on 5.6 and sudo lshw -C video
[14:13] <lk> screenshot of
[14:13] <lotuspsychje> nvidia-settings tab prime
[14:14] <lk> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9rhGFWKkd2/
[14:14] <lk> as for screenshot sec
[14:15] <lotuspsychje> lk: ok, thats promising as they both show their driver= loaded at bottom
[14:18] <lk> lotuspsychje: https://i.imgur.com/w4kDeuD.png
[14:18] <lotuspsychje> lk: there isnt like a setting to switch from powersaving to performance mode?
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> hey ioria o/
[14:19] <lk> nope lol
[14:19] <ioria> lotuspsychje, hello lotus
[14:19] <lotuspsychje> lk: ok, so i assume you will have to need to use switcheroo method then
[14:20] <lk> lotuspsychje: but switcheroo doesnt work with properitary drivers.
[14:20] <ioria> lk, should be this : https://askubuntu.com/questions/1017112/cant-switch-to-performance-mode-on-nvidia-x-server-on-16-04-after-cuda-install
[14:20] <lotuspsychje> ioria: you know howto switch from amd graphics to nvidia hybrid?
[14:21] <lk> with amd not intel
[14:21] <ioria> lotuspsychje, prime, no ?
[14:21] <lk> prime seems to work great with intel
[14:21] <lotuspsychje> ioria: lk has an amd cpu and nvidia hybrid, only works on 5.6 as his hardware is too new for 5.4, graphics dont load there
[14:21] <lk> I'm just the dumbass who bought a amd
[14:21] <lk> :(
[14:22] <ioria> lotuspsychje, ah, amd... i see; no, no idea
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> ioria: on his 5.6 https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/9rhGFWKkd2/
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> lk: what happens when you launch that switcheroo-control ?
[14:22] <lk> OK FINE ILL NOT PLAY MY GAMEZ
[14:22] <lotuspsychje> lol
[14:23] <lk> give me the wiki link again
[14:23] <ioria> lk, prime should work with amd : https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME
[14:23] <lotuspsychje> lk: that switcheroo-control is a package on the repos, try to install
[14:24] <lotuspsychje> lk: might be outdated, not sure https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HybridGraphics
[14:25] <summonner> don't forget to send a comment to Nvidia and AMD that you're trying to use their hardware and having trouble, and you expect better :P
[14:26] <lk> ok whats the command to launch switcheroo
[14:26] <lk> I apparently have it installed
[14:26] <lotuspsychje> lk: check if there's a manpage for it
[14:26] <ioria> lk, DRI_PRIME=1 glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"    what gives ?
[14:26] <lk> no manual
[14:27] <lk> ioria: ok this is weird
[14:27] <lk> I dont even have the open source drivers installed
[14:27] <ioria> i doubt it
[14:27] <lk> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yv2JVZTTNx/
[14:28] <geosmile> what is the right PPA for nvidia drivers: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu bionic main ?
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> lk: https://www.mankier.com/1/switcherooctl
[14:28] <lk> no actually
[14:28] <lotuspsychje> lk: switcherooctl list
[14:28] <lk> ppa:graphics-drivers/ppa
[14:28] <lk> ok your right lol
[14:29] <lk> lotuspsychje: command not found
[14:29] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[14:30] <lk> ioria: it should be trying nvidia not nouaviu or whatever
[14:30] <ioria> lk, what ?
[14:30] <EriC^^> maybe you need to blacklist nouveau?
[14:31] <ioria> lk, '1' means amd
[14:31] <ioria> lk, xrandr --listproviders
[14:31] <lotuspsychje> i think on hybrid graphics, one isnt suppose to use nouveau
[14:32] <ioria> lk,  you should have '0' = nvidia; 1 = amd
[14:32] <lk> ioria: lets test that out
[14:32] <lk> I set it to 0
[14:32] <lk> lets launch a cool game
[14:33] <ioria> lk,  if you want to run let's say inkscape with amd, you run DRI_PRIME=1 inkscape
[14:33] <lk> ioria: with it set to 0 my graphics card ant being used
[14:33] <lk> oh I have to launch it with the ocmmand
[14:33] <lk> ok
[14:34] <geosmile> what is the best way to update nvidia/cuda on my 18.04?
[14:35] <lk> ioria: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xsMv98BvwW/
[14:35] <lotuspsychje> weird
[14:37] <lk> lotuspsychje: also why is a ryzen 5 only getting 60 fps
[14:37] <lk> on glxgears
[14:37] <ioria> lk,  i guess you need both opensource or both proprietary
[14:37] <lk> no way because crusader kings 2 gives 30 fps
[14:38] <lk> and thats a triple a game
[14:38] <lk> oh I see what your saying
[14:38] <lk> 0 is the nvidia
[14:38] <lk> lets try switching to open source on nvidia and see what happens
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> lk ioria https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/bionic/+package/switcheroo-control
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> try that right click on an app?
[14:41] <lk> lotuspsychje: I did that here https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xsMv98BvwW/
[14:42] <lotuspsychje> lk: with the dri prime command, but not right mouse click on a software?
[14:43] <lotuspsychje> check if you can choose graphics with right mouse
[14:45] <lk> lotuspsychje: no
[14:45] <lk> ioria: both open source 60/72
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> lk: from the activities/app ?
[14:45] <lk> yes
[14:46] <lotuspsychje> hmmz
[14:47] <lotuspsychje> i assume this would make mostly sense, the system boots with default AMD powersaving mode, then when you need high end graphics you launch it manually
[14:47] <lk> I think for some reason
[14:47] <lk> the 0 and 1 are switched
[14:48] <lk> becasue if I installed properitary drivers
[14:48] <lk> I get 60/10000 fps for glxgears
[14:48] <lk> with non properitary I get 60/72
[14:48] <lk> (which still makes no sense because 60 fps)
[14:48] <lk> on glxgears
[14:48] <lotuspsychje> lk: does nvidia-smi output something?
[14:57] <lk> lotuspsychje: lets see
[14:57] <lk> yes
[14:57] <lotuspsychje> lk: wich driver version active?
[14:57] <lk> lotuspsychje: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/yJCCQSsVx8/
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> lk: allright, same version from graphics ppa should be good
[14:59] <lk> lotuspsychje: WAIT HOLD HERE
[15:00] <lk> I do have option to launch from dedicated gpu
[15:00] <lk> only problem is it doesnt actually do that
[15:00] <lk> same memory usage
[15:00] <lk> lotuspsychje: which ppa
[15:00] <lotuspsychje> lk: it doesnt launch the app or?
[15:00] <lk> it lauches the app
[15:01] <lk> but the graphics card memory usage is still at 11mg
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> lk: doesnt increase when you move forward in the game?
[15:01] <lk> no
[15:01] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[15:01] <lk> which ppa
[15:01] <lk> the ubuntu offical ppa is 440
[15:01] <lk> which doesnt work for my hardware
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> lk: https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa nvm its the same 450.66 version
[15:02] <lk> ok
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> lk: what about your software&sources/tab additional drivers
[15:02] <lotuspsychje> lk: tell me what you see there
[15:03] <lk> lotuspsychje: with my ppa its 450/440 server/xorg, if I was to remove it would list 440/440 server/xorg
[15:03] <lk> lotuspsychje: only problem is 440 wouldnt work for me
[15:03] <lotuspsychje> lk: your ppa?
[15:04] <lk> http://ppa.launchpad.net/graphics-drivers/ppa/ubuntu
[15:04] <lk> or is that the same :P
[15:04] <lk> ok
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> ah you added it yourself?
[15:04] <lk> yes
[15:04] <lk> otherwise it only offerred 440
[15:04] <lotuspsychje> lk: but does your additional drivers show other driver versions?
[15:04] <lk> which wasnt any good
[15:04] <lk> it shows the server version of 440
[15:05] <lotuspsychje> like 435?
[15:07] <lk> here
[15:07] <lk> how about I remove my self installed stuff
[15:07] <lk> and reboot
[15:07] <lotuspsychje> like what?
[15:07] <lk> the 450 drivers
[15:07] <lk> because it offers me a different option
[15:08] <lotuspsychje> lk: well you need to be sure first if you got other driver versions first?
[15:08] <lk> its 440-nvidia-driver or 440-nvidia-driver-server or xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without the added ppa
[15:08] <lk> with
[15:09] <lk> 450-nvidia-driver or 440-nvidia-driver-server or xserver-xorg-video-nouveau without the added ppa
[15:09] <lk> with the added*
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> kk
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> ok, try with the 440 perhaps?
[15:09] <lk> ok but I already have and it wont work :P
[15:09] <lotuspsychje> but for 20.04 there are several bugs on the 440
[15:09] <lk> I really dont want to go down that rabbit hole
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> yeah understand
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> lk: not sure why right mouse/launch doesnt work properly
[15:10] <lotuspsychje> trying to think why..
[15:11] <lotuspsychje> nvidia-smi shows your GTX off, but that would be right when switcheroo loads default AMD
[15:15] <lotuspsychje> lk: seems there like an extension for it also https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/2203/gnome-run-with-prime/
[15:16] <lotuspsychje> can you check if you can bypass it trying launch nouveau
[15:16] <lk> I never used this
[15:16] <lk> I came over from linux mint
[15:16] <lk> lotuspsychje: nouveau is the open source drivers
[15:17] <lk> Although GNOME Shell integration extension is running, native host connector is not detected. Refer documentation for instructions about installing connector.
[15:17] <lk> oh
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> lk: i know, i mean thats what i think happens, your system trys to launch nouveau instead of your nvidia driver
[15:17] <lk> duh
[15:17] <lotuspsychje> and maybe run with prime could bypass it?
[15:17] <lk> ok I installed the shell thing
[15:18] <lk> now how exactly do I bypass it
[15:18] <lk> like I Understand launch nouveau
[15:18] <lk> but dont know the syntax here
[15:23] <bertptrs> Hi all, not sure if this is the best place for this question, but here goes. For previous LTS releases I started getting update prompts as soon as the first point release was available, but it hasn't happened yet for bionic → focal. Is there a published reason for this?
[15:27] <lotuspsychje> lk: https://extensions.gnome.org/extension-data/screenshots/screenshot_2203.png
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> bertptrs: the upgrade path isnt open yet at this moment
[15:28] <lotuspsychje> bertptrs: see the status here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/focal-fossa-20-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/17604
[15:29] <lk> lotuspsychje: from the default launcher/ubuntus custom desktop shit I dont see the option
[15:29] <lk> I imagine I have to boot into gnome
[15:29] <bertptrs> lotuspsychje: Thank you! So the grub issue from a few months ago is currently blocking the upgrade
[15:29] <lotuspsychje> lk: yeah, as its a gnome extension
[15:29] <lk> does ubuntu come with default gnome installed
[15:29] <bertptrs> Apparently only one month. Time crawls in 2020 it seems
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> lk: ubuntu-desktop does, with DE were you on now?
[15:30] <lk> ubuntu desktop
[15:30] <lotuspsychje> bertptrs: the devs are still working on a few bugs
[15:33] <Lutin> hi guys I installed squid-deb-proxy on ubuntu focal but it only runs on IPv6 port and not IPv4 I wonder why
[15:33] <akemhp> Hey i got an issue setting date with the "date" command, its not applied for some reason; so i do something like: sudo date --set="1 OCT 2020"; it displays jeudi 1 octobre 2020, 00:00:00 (UTC+0200) which is ok; but then if i just type date again its the old date september; any idea ? it seems i don't have an NTP server running i wonder whats going on...
[15:35] <bertptrs> which NTP servers did you check? GNOME and systemd both have one
[15:36] <akemhp> I just grepped for ntp bertptrs; maybe this is the issue: 633 ?        Ssl    0:00 /lib/systemd/systemd-timesyncd ?
[15:36] <bertptrs> Check `timedatectl status`
[15:37] <akemhp> System clock synchronized: yes ; systemd-timesyncd.service active: yes
[15:37] <bertptrs> you can use other subcommands to turn it off if it's running
[15:37] <bertptrs> akemhp: so it is running
[15:37] <akemhp> I guess that is why my date command dont work.
[15:37] <akemhp> Ok thanks bertptrs; ill digg that.
[15:37] <bertptrs> Out of curiosity, why do you want to set your time incorrectly?
[15:38] <akemhp> bertptrs, Testing purpose for a script that run stuff for the next month...I wanna see it in action :P
[15:39] <akemhp> I know there is cron but i need so,ething different:
[15:42] <akemhp> It <works, thanks!
[15:59] <akemhp> Its me again with another problem ofc :P
[15:59] <akemhp> https://pastebin.com/9s8AdNak
[16:00] <akemhp> Any idea why the pkill does not kill thoses process zith the pattern 'vpn'?
[16:06] <akemhp> Ha ok i need the -f flag; weird i did not remember that.
[16:08] <johnjay> did anyboy else have their desktop fonts shrink really tiny after restart today?
[16:08] <johnjay> apparently it's an old bug that resurfaced in 20.04. you can fix it by adjusting Scaling Factor in gnome-tweaks.
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> johnjay: its a known mutter bug still in progress
[16:09] <johnjay> ok. it didn't appear until i installed updates and restarted today
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> johnjay: bug #1892521
[16:27] <ryan-c> I've got a monitor with a native resolution of 5120x1440 - every time i turn my screen off and back on ubuntu switches to 3840x1080. I'm using integrated intel graphics (i915). Any ideas?
[16:50] <mort> So, I just tried upgrading to the 20.10 beta. Obviously, because Ubuntu sucks, something graphics related crashed during the upgrade, and the tmux session the upgrade was running in also somehow crashed after I continued the upgrade through ssh. Now, after the upgrade, apport-autoreport is in restart loop and the system idles at systemd consuming
[16:50] <mort> 100% CPU. What do I do?
[16:51] <akemhp> Thanks everyone.
[16:54] <mort> Apparently, cleaning out /var/crash fixed it. But this is really bad; the error reporter can apparently get into a state where it causes systemd to use 100% CPU
[17:08] <ryan-c> when the monitor powers back on, i see "DDC gathered modelines" in my xorg log, but the 5120x1440 mode is missing
[17:27] <lk> lotuspsychje: so in my xorg conf it only lists nivida and not amd
[17:28] <lk> wait no
[17:28] <lk> lol nvm
[17:30] <lk> lotuspsychje: PROGRESS!!!
[17:31] <lk> added Option "PrimaryGpu" "true" to /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-nvidia.conf
[17:33] <lk> so now it seems I have access to my graphics board but not my intergrated graphics
[17:33] <lk> :P
[17:49] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | mort
[17:50] <jiggawattz> !ubuntu+2
[17:50] <jiggawattz> !ubuntu-1
[17:53] <osse> Today I learned about grub-reboot. My life is going to change for the better.
[18:01] <justabeginner> hello people,
[18:02] <justabeginner> I am seeking help to set up post installation of Ubuntu on my new Lenovo Ideapad Flex 5 with AMD Ryzen 4 4500 CPU
[18:04] <justabeginner> I've install Groovy Gorilla (daily build)
[18:04] <justabeginner> number of issues, let me go one by one.
[18:06] <justabeginner> the trackpad is not working.
[18:08] <justabeginner> have upgrade kernel to Linux 5.9 which the touchscreen is became not working.  now I am booted to Linux 5.8 which touchscreen works
[18:09] <justabeginner> the reason for kernel upgrading is to get brightness control to work. as suggested by comments on this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjegdWtHuOE
[18:13] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1 | justabeginner
[18:15] <justabeginner> thanks tomreyn
[18:15] <tomreyn> personally, i'd rather install 20.04 LTS - if that's possible - and then do whatever seems necessary to make things work, such as upgrade the graphics stack from a ppa, or use mainline kernel builds until there is a newer kernel available in ubuntu
[18:15] <tomreyn> ... 20.04 via !HWE
[18:16] <tomreyn> justabeginner: ^
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> lk: messing with xorg sounds like a messy workaround for hybrid cards these days oO
[18:18] <justabeginner> that makes sense. I would see if I can install LTS.
[18:22] <ryan-c> manually configuring xorg doesn't work
[18:22] <ryan-c> wtf
[18:26] <tomreyn> justabeginner: if 20.04 installs (you may want to  try the daily installer image rather than the release image), you will likely want to try one of the following PPAs on top of it for better graphics support: padoka, oibaf
[18:28] <justabeginner> I am not quite get you here, daily installer image ? Isn't this 20.10 ?
[18:29] <justabeginner> point noted for PPAs for better GPU driver tomreyn
[18:30] <lk> lotuspsychje: my plan is to keep the nvidia card on when im home, and then switch to amd when I'm out(which is never, especially now).
[18:31] <lotuspsychje> lk: i dont think its really designed to be always on, if by default its on AMD
[18:31] <lk> lotuspsychje: probably not, but I dont think firefox is gonna nuke my gpu.
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> no :p
[18:32] <lotuspsychje> but you might have more power consumption browsing the web
[18:32] <tomreyn> justabeginner: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/focal/daily-live/current/ for the installer and https://launchpad.net/~oibaf/+archive/ubuntu/graphics-drivers for the updated mesa graphics stack
[18:33] <lk> I'm not concerned about my electric usage besides like existental environmental concerns.
[18:34] <lk> and for all I know this problem could be solved in 3 months
[18:34] <lk> or I figure out a better solution
[18:36] <tomreyn> justabeginner: if you haven't used an amdgpu driven graphics chipset with linux before: there is also the proprietary amdgpu-pro overlay for those cards, but we don't support it here. you'd need to get help with this from amd. and if youreally want to go that route you should definitely not use and updated mesa, kernel, amdgpu, ubuntu release.
[18:37] <tomreyn> so unless you need to use the graphics card for compute, i don't think you want amdgpu-pro.
[18:41] <lotuspsychje> lk: its weird, cause here they say its fixed on bionic bug #1768988
[18:41] <ryan-c> Okay, well, making a manually edited xorg.conf did the trick.
[18:41] <lk> lotuspsychje: they are using intel
[18:42] <lk> lotuspsychje: my guess is this is related specifically to a amd/nvidia combo
[18:42] <lk> amd/amd and intel/nvidia is :thumbsup:
[18:42] <lk> but amd/nvidia? you got some competition in thar
[18:45] <tomreyn> if you're referring to the nvidia proprietary driver, then i think the only way you can control things is using nvidia-settings.
[18:45] <tomreyn> if you're using all mesa backed / open source graphics drivers, then switcheroo should be fine
[18:47] <lk> tomreyn: nvidia-settings literally has no option in it
[18:47] <lk> tomreyn: and the open source driver is either absurdly slow or doesnt work
[18:47] <lk> like 70 fps on glxgears
[18:47] <justabeginner> last couple of years, I am good with AMD gpu driver from Debian repository (non free) . And never consider driver from official release. tomreyn
[18:47] <tomreyn> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PRIME#PRIME_render_offload
[18:48] <tomreyn> justabeginner: to my knowledge, the amdgpu driver is free software (its firmware is not).
[18:49] <lk> amdgpu is free
[18:49] <lk> tomreyn: ok if I try this and reboot, is there a chance xorg wont load? :P
[18:49] <tomreyn> lk: definitely
[18:50] <lk> lets write this down
[18:50] <lotuspsychje> lk: if things are so messy like this, i would go for a new !bug if it was me
[18:50] <lk> !bug
[18:51] <justabeginner> never understood AMD GPU license in free world. Also, when buying, I am advised to go with AMD rather Nvdia for better free software support from community
[18:52] <lotuspsychje> lk: and explain your whole story from 5.4 and 5.6 etc
[18:52] <justabeginner> thank you tomreyn for clarifcation that there is daily built within LTS release. (coming from Debian, it is new)
[18:52] <oerheks> nvidia and wayland, no go.
[18:53] <lotuspsychje> lk: but better file it from 5.4 default kernel first
[18:59] <lk> tomreyn: : guess what happened
[18:59] <lk> :p
[19:00] <lk> lotuspsychje: I think 5.6 may be better because I'm not gonna backtrace all my steps...
[19:00] <tomreyn> justabeginner: those aren't officially supported, they could be broken, but uslla ythey just work fine.
[19:00] <oerheks> !mainline
[19:00] <oerheks> one can test them, but i would stick to the official updates
[19:01] <lk> complaint about ubuntu in general
[19:01] <lk> in linux mint in my files program
[19:01] <lk> I can right click and say open in terminal
[19:01] <lk> or open as root
[19:01] <lk> I cant here
[19:01] <lotuspsychje> oerheks: we tested his system, and his amd is too new for 5.4 so it seems
[19:01] <tomreyn> !enter | lk
[19:01] <tomreyn> !discuss | lk
[19:02] <oerheks> oh, mint ..
[19:02]  * oerheks walks away
[19:03] <justabeginner> I am looking for solution to use Firefox with scrolling with finger, (not on scroll bar). This is suppose to be discussed here or on Firefox channel ?
[19:03] <lotuspsychje> lk: think it would be still advisable to file the bug on default kernel first, then just describe you got it working better on 5.6
[19:03] <tomreyn> +1
[19:04] <lotuspsychje> lk: you will help yourself and the community and inform the devs about your issue
[19:06] <lk> I left a comment here as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/switcheroo-control/+bug/1768988
[19:08] <oerheks> your comment is not suitable for that bugreport
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> lk: well thats only if we proved its the switcheroo mechanism would be faulty
[19:08] <tomreyn> justabeginner: Another IdeaPad 5 on ubuntu 20.04 user:  https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-7-4700U-Daily-Driver
[19:08] <lk> shit
[19:08] <lotuspsychje> lk: doesnt take very long, boot 5.4 and ubuntu-bug linux, done!
[19:09] <lk> what package should I put down in ubuntu-bug? linux-firmware?
[19:09] <lotuspsychje> lk: we not really sure what makes it faulty yet, so the devs might add/changes packages anyways
[19:12] <lk> lotuspsychje: Ok, so I did that, should I wait for the page to load before I reboot back into 5.6
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> lk: it will forward you to launchpad; enter a title + description
[19:12] <lk> it says "Extra debug information will be added to the bug report automatically."
[19:12] <lotuspsychje> yep, usefull info
[19:13] <lk> https://i.imgur.com/6ImLsTj.png
[19:13] <tomreyn> justabeginner: for a newer kernel, i'd install (via apt) packages linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge and linux-generic-hwe-20.04 ; if you want something even newer i'd use https://github.com/pimlie/ubuntu-mainline-kernel.sh (not supported here, but self-explanatory from --help output)
[19:13] <lk> Where do I go from here to enter a title and description?
[19:13] <lotuspsychje> lk: you took switcheroo package
[19:14] <lotuspsychje> lk: better ubuntu-bug linux
[19:14] <lk> I did that and then rebooted and did what you said
[19:14] <lk> by the time it clicked in my head, too late.
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> you can still abort in this stage
[19:15] <lk> Where? How?
[19:15] <justabeginner> good reading about Ryzen 4 CPU with Ubuntu OS tomreyn
[19:15] <oerheks> ryzen 5 cpu and 1650 gtx nvidia, iirc
[19:15] <lotuspsychje> lk: close launchpad and ubuntu-bug linux
[19:16] <oerheks> disable amds gpu in bios.
[19:16] <lk> lotuspsychje: again?
[19:17] <lotuspsychje> ok nap time for me
[19:17] <tomreyn> justabeginner: I can't help with your firefox, question, though. It works on a touchscreen system i have (running 20.04).
[19:18] <justabeginner> you use touchscreen system tomreyn?
[19:19] <justabeginner> you can simply scroll page by touching anywhere the page and scroll ? When I do that, text selection happens
[19:19] <tomreyn> justabeginner: use, not really, have one which supports it, yes
[19:19] <tomreyn> let me try this quickly so i'm not telling you something wrong
[19:22] <lk> tomreyn: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1894391 if you see lotus again, he worked a lot with me on this so he may want to comment.
[19:22] <justabeginner> I've upgrade kernel by simply downloading from https://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v5.9-rc3/amd64/ and dpkg -i *.deb
[19:24] <oerheks> lk,  when i read your bugreport, you are not up2date?
[19:25] <oerheks> ApportVersion: 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.6 .. current for focal updates is 2.20.11-0ubuntu27.8   -- https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=apport
[19:25] <oerheks> sudo apt update && sudo apt full-upgrade # and reboot
[19:32] <tomreyn> justabeginner: this is bug 1697122 - will be fixed with firefox 81, or you can work around it using   export MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1
[19:34] <tomreyn> justabeginner: downloading kernel images like you did there is technically possible, but you'll get no chance to verify their authenticity (gpg signatures) unless you take further measures (or use the shell script i pointed to, or another, which does the same)
[19:47] <tomreyn> lk: is this ubuntu, or "linux lite"?
[19:49] <oerheks> he was complaining about mint .. i wonder
[20:02] <lk> tomreyn: ubuntu
[20:03] <oerheks> upgrade properly, and try again?
[20:04] <oerheks> not updated systems give false bugreports
[20:27] <FaTaL_G> man, I wish alllllllllll of the services and supportiv apps and other utilities packaged with ubuntu respected the fact that net.ipv6 = nope, then stop trying, and recording errors. Would it be worth putting in requests with each one to silence it and not try if ipv6 is off?
[20:29] <beaver> /20
[20:29] <beaver> sorry
[20:31] <lk> oerheks: I know because i tested this in multiple distros
[20:31] <lk> but sure
[20:35] <lk> oerheks: same issue
[20:49] <cluonbeam> FaTaL_G: Perhaps stop trying to disable ipv6 and you won't have that problem.
[20:59] <FaTaL_G> cluonbeam, I'm not sure why so many take that position - instead of forcing an imperfect feature onto us that as it stands, nearly no one needs, keep the feature, have it enabled by default, and don't look to disable something someone(s) decided you want.
[21:00] <tatertotz> FaTaL_G: are you actually having a technical problem? or just venting?
[21:01] <jpds> FaTaL_G: IPv6 works fine on all my systems
[21:01] <cluonbeam> FaTaL_G: Probably because there's a ton of ipv4 functionality that runs through ipv6 code. It's an integrated network stack. Disabling ipv6 can cause unforeseen issues. And plenty of people need IPv6. Like the entire world. And I'm not sure why you're calling it imperfectr.
[21:01] <cluonbeam> FaTaL_G: Leave it alone. It's enabled by default for a ton of good reasons. Don't screw with the network stack because "reasons."
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[21:02] <FaTaL_G> tatertotz, I actually was asking the question I asked. The problem is more of a nuisance, log entries from various services/apps because it has ipv6 on, but its disabled on my system, by me
[21:02] <cluonbeam> FaTaL_G: Disabling it is causing your nuisance/issues. Don't do that, problem solved.
[21:02] <cluonbeam> Literally a "it hurts when I do this - then don't do that" issue.
[21:02] <tatertotz> FaTaL_G: oh okay..you're not actually having a technical problen
[21:03] <cluonbeam> tatertotz: No, just one of those people who thinks they know better.
[21:03] <cluonbeam> \_(ツ)_/
[21:03] <FaTaL_G> lol
[21:03] <cluonbeam> Hmm, that did not fully survive translation. Ah well.
[21:08] <FaTaL_G> The issue is a nuisance, but requires technical which is, if ipv6 is off, don't try to use it service a b c and record entries with errors that it is off. Do I think I know better? No not at all. I'm learning, as I presume we all do, everyday in one way or another. I'm using the machine as a router, I want to avoid ipv6 since I don't know it yet.
[21:08] <FaTaL_G> Ive read plenty of notes about security with it. I'll learn it eventually
[21:09] <FaTaL_G> I am not aware of a single reason for me to have it. And Linux has existed for quite a long time before ipv6 came along. So what am I missing?
[21:11] <cluonbeam> FaTaL_G: The point. Stop disabling ipv6. You aren't solving any issues whatsoever, and if you don't have ipv6 connectivity globally, its presence doesn't hurt you in the slightest.
[21:12] <cluonbeam> And if you DO, then hey, you'll get to find out that IPv6 is EASIER to manage than IPv4. :)
[21:13] <FaTaL_G> Wouldn't then I need iptable rules for ipv4 and 6, as well as routing rules, and any filters set (not at a MAC leve), to handle both?
[21:14] <cluonbeam> Yup. All of which function identically to IPv4.
[21:14] <cluonbeam> There's nothing new to learn.
[21:14] <cluonbeam> Except that addresses look different.
[21:15] <cluonbeam> And there's no NAT, which is a godsend.
[21:19] <FaTaL_G> Well unless I am missing something, this means every action I take from a router perspective now requires actions for ipv4 as well as ipv6, and there's no nat at all? so every ip in my network is addressable "directly" instead of being obfuscated due to the limitations of ipv4? yea, sounds like it has benefits but in my application more risks until I know what I'm doing
[21:19] <cluonbeam> FaTaL_G: Firewall rules function the same way as IPv4. "Default deny in" and you don't have to worry about that.
[21:20] <cluonbeam> But anyway, you're dead set on this despite any facts presented, so have fun.
[21:20] <xtao> do you actually have ipv6 connectivity through your isp? if not then it makes no difference at all as nothing is ever going to get routed to it over ipv6
[21:21] <FaTaL_G> no, we dont yet, but they can turn it on whenever they choose
[21:21] <jpds> FaTaL_G: If you don't actually have IPv6 from your ISP, why are you complaining about anything?
[21:21] <jpds> Please take this off-topic nonsense elsewhere
[21:22] <FaTaL_G> indeed. I got the answer to the question.
[21:25] <vlm> when writing to /dev/null does anything ever get written to hard drive,or is it discarded into ram or something else?
[21:26] <jpds> vlm: Just goes into a blackhole in the kernel
[21:26] <vlm> jpds: ahh so dont have to worry about wear on my hard drive then?
[21:26] <jpds> vlm: No
[21:26] <vlm> jpds: thanks!
[22:57] <siloxid> I have a HP pavilion with no model name, nothing on it, but it has a dead battery. how can I get the name so I can have the battery replaced?
[23:01] <tatertotz> siloxid: are you chatting from the computer right now?
[23:03] <siloxid> tatertotz: I'm on a different one. it's a friend's computer
[23:03] <tatertotz> that's not really ubuntu related, especially if that computer is running WIndows
[23:06] <siloxid> tatertotz: uname -a says Linux michael-HP-Pavilion Notebook 4.15.0-88-generic #88-Ubuntu SMP ... x86_64 GNU/Linux
[23:08] <FaTaL_G> ususally the number on the battery is all you need to get to lookup a replacement. Model helps, but the battery itself will == success
[23:10] <Maik> siloxid: install inxi then run 'sudo inxi -M ' to get the info of your machine you need, this will include the serial number too.
[23:11] <Maik> if you run it without sudo, it won't show the serial number.
[23:11] <siloxid> ty Maik, FaTaL_G
[23:12] <Maik> that way you can search for a replacement battery, if it is still available
[23:12] <Maik> siloxid: yw