[01:33] <ubptgbot> Sean Zaininger was added by: Sean Zaininger
 Is it just my orientation sensor that is broken? or is that a known issue  on egde channel atm?
 what device?
 did you just update?
 edge is not a very safe place to be iiuc
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 Good morning all, Is it possible to install Ubuntu touch on a Huawei Mate 9 Pro phone?
 @matv1 [Is it just my orientation sensor that is broken? or is that a known issue  on eg …], Rotation works on devel. Edge has been merged with some sensor experiment, could be thats a problem
 interesting. That seems likely indeed. I am on OnePlus 3 btw and orientation sensor has been broken for a few days now
 oh and, come to think of it, I could not get a GPS fix on that device either when I was travelling last saturday. (I know it can take quite a long time but I gave it more then 20 minutes before giving up)
 ++++mein fp2 mit Ubuntu Touch viel zu hohén Energieverbrauch
 @Flohack [Rotation works on devel. Edge has been merged with some sensor experiment, could …], Not sure who is working on that but if he/she needs some logs pulled, just ask
 @YougoChats [edge is not a very safe place to be iiuc], Dont worry, I know I shoulndt be relying on it. Just reporting what is happening. Maybe it is of some help :)
 @PetitMesange [++++mein fp2 mit Ubuntu Touch viel zu hohén Energieverbrauch], Hello, we speak english here :) if you prefer german, there is the German Ubports channel. it is: https://t.me/UBports_Deutsch
 Thanks!!!
 If I want to port ut for a new device what language should I know? What should I know?
 @matv1 [Not sure who is working on that but if he/she needs some logs pulled, just ask], Tell @mariogrip he merged it ^^
 @matv1 [oh and, come to think of it, I could not get a GPS fix on that device either whe …], Yes its sensor framework replacement, prone to breaking all sensors 😆does ambient light or proximity work?
 *should* be fixed now ish
 For gps it's missing a package, fixing that today
 ah cool. will check tonight then. Thank you!
 oh and fwiw, prox. sensor was failing as well. ambient light sensor appearently fuctioning still
 @DearerMetal [If I want to port ut for a new device what language should I know? What should I …], from what I understand, C or C++ is helpfull but not essential, Linux shell obviously. But mostly plain-old English for reading and following the docs 😀
 Also, you will want to join the porting channels for support: https://t.me/halium
 @DearerMetal [If I want to port ut for a new device what language should I know? What should I …], oh your already there.
 @matv1 [from what I understand, C or C++ is helpfull but not essential, Linux shell obvi …], I read all the docs but for my dev there is not even a LOS official
 So the docs are almost unuseful
 @DearerMetal what is your desired device?
 I need to start from a LOS 16 unofficial that have some minor bugs itself so I need to know which things I need to start dev. If I just follow the guide I'll find myself stuck with a non bootable os
 @NotKit [@DearerMetal what is your desired device?], S9+
 @DearerMetal [I need to start from a LOS 16 unofficial that have some minor bugs itself so I n …], frankly, get things compiled, then ask for help with logs in Halium group when it boots/fails to boot
 since it is Treble device, it should work with GSI image, so compiling kernel with changed config is the starting point
 I know I'll be stuck in boot fail and I just want to know before it happens what to do about it
 @NotKit [since it is Treble device, it should work with GSI image, so compiling kernel wi …], I can do that from unofficial LOS 16 but if you watch in the new porting device list
 There is already s9+ but that dev is stuck since 1 year ago
 @DearerMetal [I know I'll be stuck in boot fail and I just want to know before it happens what …], it's hard to predict the issues before they happen
 I think he already asked in helium group...
 Thx for explaining man
[14:03] <ubptgbot> Roy Damen was added by: Roy Damen
[14:49] <ubptgbot> rdponsell was added by: rdponsell
 can we use desktop apps on UBports like burpsuite etc?
 @rdponsell [can we use desktop apps on UBports like burpsuite etc?], you can install x11 and cli apps in a libertine container
 how can you guide me?
 no, but you can read the documentation for setting up and using libertine on https://docs.ubports.com
 ok thanks
 i am new in UBports can anyone tell me how to setup/install libertine and use burpsuite on it
 @rdponsell [ok thanks], you just have to go to system settings —> libertine —> create a new libertine container (this operation takes several minutes)  and then choose debs or packages from repositories.
 I wouldn't let the screen turn off during the process. You can advoid the screen turning of with active screen app from openstore
 (or just selecting Never in the screen timeout in system settings)
 take in mind two things for libertine: … Repositories are from ubuntu 16.04 … Libertine is still experimental so many apps maybe doesn't launch at all
 @dohbee [(or just selecting Never in the screen timeout in system settings)], I find this more annoying 😆
 @dohbee [(or just selecting Never in the screen timeout in system settings)], never seen a bot like this
 Rodney isn't a bot
 @j2g2rp [take in mind two things for libertine: … Repositories are from ubuntu 16.04 … Libert …], Thanks mate for complete steps
 also i think you need to keep the system settings in front
 yeah I forgot to say 😂
 @rdponsell [Thanks mate for complete steps], you are wellcome
 can install dual boot UBports with Oxygen Os in OP3?
 dual boot is not supported, not
 [Edit] dual boot is not supported, no
 Okay
 thanks anyway
 another two things:  … The experience of desktop apps isn't the better even when they run. … With libertine tweak tool app you can make some tweaks to the container yo created to make them more usable
 @j2g2rp [another two things:  … The experience of desktop apps isn't the better even when t …], i connects my device with monitor and use it with mice and keyboard
 well burpsuite will probably not run
 what about wine then?
 your phone is not x86
 it cannot run x86 applications
 wine is x86?
 there's apparently a version of wine that can do WinRT things, but almost certainly whatever you want to run is not available for WinRT
 I think wine is also present for android devices
 so yes, wine is only for x86 in debian/ubuntu archives anyway
 @ItsMeShouko [I think wine is also present for android devices], nah it sucks
 @dohbee [so yes, wine is only for x86 in debian/ubuntu archives anyway], ok
 @rdponsell [nah it sucks], no. it's just only for WinRT apps because it's ARM
 @dohbee [no. it's just only for WinRT apps because it's ARM], any usefull winrt app which can do jobs like burpsuite?
 @rdponsell [any usefull winrt app which can do jobs like burpsuite?], what is burpsuite?
 @Shakendo [what is burpsuite?], infosec pen testing app
 @Shakendo [what is burpsuite?], You can find bugs in payment gateways with this
 @rdponsell [any usefull winrt app which can do jobs like burpsuite?], probably not, and it has nothing to do with Ubuntu Touch; i'm not going to do internet searches for you
 ahh ok, would xmir be able to handle that Rodney?
 @Shakendo [ahh ok, would xmir be able to handle that Rodney?], if the phone was x86, sure
 probably yes i use this before and buy a lot of stuffs for free
 is burpsuite x86 specific? Im unfamiliar with it
 @Shakendo [is burpsuite x86 specific? Im unfamiliar with it], the download page says so
 @rdponsell [probably yes i use this before and buy a lot of stuffs for free], we won't help you steal things through illegal activity here
 ahh ok, so essentially to use it, UT would need a x86 compatibility solution
 @dohbee [we won't help you steal things through illegal activity here], ok
 @Shakendo [ahh ok, so essentially to use it, UT would need a x86 compatibility solution], or burp needs to port their software to UT
 which if its purpose is for what was previously stated, I doubt will happen
 can a pro dev port burp in UT?
 @rdponsell [can a pro dev port burp in UT?], sure, if you find one willing to do it, but we here wont cause we dont condone theft here
 @Shakendo [which if its purpose is for what was previously stated, I doubt will happen], no, it's an infosec testing tool. though yes, malicious people may use it to do some illegal things
 anyway, to the core point: Ubuntu Touch does not magically turn your phone into a PC
 ahh ok, and yeah, UT doesnt = mini ARM PC, Ubuntu and Ubuntu Touch are different
 what about raspberry pi ?
 you can run UT on a RPi 3B
 still not gonna be a PC, but RPi does run UT, Pi4 iirc has graphics issue
 RPi is still ARM. it won't run x86 apps either
 no i mean can we run burp wine and other stuff in Raspberry pi 4
 this group is about Ubuntu Touch, not what someone might have theoretically done on an RPi with some other systems
 @dohbee [RPi is still ARM. it won't run x86 apps either], so this means better to buy a laptop for this
 @rdponsell [so this means better to buy a laptop for this], don't know and won't help you with it. this group is about Ubuntu TOuch
 okay
 UT is not for pen testing can't do hacking and gaming either maybe photo and video editing also can't be easy on it so what can this os do?
 it is an OS for phones
 @rdponsell [UT is not for pen testing can't do hacking and gaming either maybe photo and vid …], Basically there are not more than 3-4 native apps
 and also can't use android apps also
 no, it is not android
 @ItsMeShouko [Basically there are not more than 3-4 native apps], there are lot more than 3-4 native apps
 but they aren't from snapchat, whatsapp, or whatever
 @dohbee [there are lot more than 3-4 native apps], name it
 @dohbee [there are lot more than 3-4 native apps], And are they useful?
 if you want android, use android
 @rdponsell [name it], open-store.io
 We will have to write them
 i'm not going to waste time arguing with you
 @mrcyjanek [open-store.io], already check this out there is only fking garbage
 @ItsMeShouko [And are they useful?], yes. and don't try to start a pointless argument, simply because whatever special thing you want might not be there
 keep it up @rdponsell and i'll just ban you. be nice
 @dohbee [yes. and don't try to start a pointless argument, simply because whatever specia …], No, no I am not, I understand your point
 By useful app I mean alternatives to android apps
 @mrcyjanek [open-store.io], i am talking about terminal apps/software or whatever you call
 @rdponsell [i am talking about terminal apps/software or whatever you call], what do you mean by that?
 [Edit] By useful app I mean alternatives to android apps that we use daily
 @mrcyjanek [what do you mean by that?], like python programs
 I run ffmpeg, youtube-dl and other's on ut from terminal app
 you can install CLI tools in libertine, which are available from ubuntu archive
 @dohbee [you can install CLI tools in libertine, which are available from ubuntu archive], actually, you can use them natively if you make ~/bin and add it to path
 @mrcyjanek [actually, you can use them natively if you make ~/bin and add it to path], sure, you can dump static things in your home dir and run them too
 But I don't get the point of using terminal apps on phone, yea it's cool to to have some things available but there's no legit use case for that
 that's just a phone
 @mrcyjanek [But I don't get the point of using terminal apps on phone, yea it's cool to to h …], vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub
 @dohbee [vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub], I'm not a fan of vim, but yeah git and nano is helpfull ;p
 i do that on android already too
 @dohbee [vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub], [Edit] I'm not a fan of vim, but yeah git and nano is helpful ;p
 @dohbee [i do that on android already too], seabass would be cool if it had ability to increase font size
 @mrcyjanek [I'm not a fan of vim, but yeah git and nano is helpful ;p], well, my emacs config probably won't work well without x11 :)
 @dohbee [vim and git are great, because i can work on things at the pub], Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard
 @dohbee [well, my emacs config probably won't work well without x11 :)], oh...
 Keyboard specially for terminal
 two bots are talking to each other
 @ItsMeShouko [Keyboard specially for terminal], Um..? I don't see any problems with current keyboard
 @ItsMeShouko [Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard], if i'm going to use a terminal on a phone seriously, OSK won't cut it. time for bluetooth keyboard
 except for missing `~` character
 @mrcyjanek [Um..? I don't see any problems with current keyboard], Um I mean lots of keys are hard to reach since we need to switch them
 @ItsMeShouko [Um I mean lots of keys are hard to reach since we need to switch them], a matter of habit
 anyway, banned. i'm done with that person's nonsense
 @mrcyjanek [a matter of habit], Maybe you're right
 But yeah, something like `hacker's keyboard` from android would be cool, to have also `ctrl` on keyboard
 oh and one more thing on phones with 21:9 screens...
 @ItsMeShouko [Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard], ut keyboard is much nicer that fingerterm
 (Photo, 2340x1080) https://irc.ubports.com/ZZeZ811C.png
 themes are nicer and theres more settings
 @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], It's unusable in landscape mode
 i just need to find time to render/print the parts for this keyboard, and build the electronics, and write the firmware, so i can have the ultimate portable bluetooth keyboard
 @mrcyjanek [<reply to media>], Ooof can you even type like that on a modern smartphone?
 Very painful exp.
 @ItsMeShouko [Ooof can you even type like that on a modern smartphone?], I can't
 @ItsMeShouko [Ooof can you even type like that on a modern smartphone?], just use portrait
 But sometimes when/my/path/is/long/in/terminal I have to rotate my screen
 or to simply use nethogs
 @joeth [just use portrait], That's not the solution I want
 nethogs?
 (Photo, 712x416) https://irc.ubports.com/iP5sOI2R.png
 in portrait it looks like this:
 (Photo, 371x542) https://irc.ubports.com/PP02umyQ.png
 Oh I see
 (Photo, 640x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/gaQGsPNi.png works in portrait on postmarketos
 @joeth [<reply to media>], font size
 @mrcyjanek [font size], i guess
 Ofc it is the font size I'm 999999% sure, it increases the column size and so makes more space
 I don't remember whether I asked or not, but is it possible to enable notifications from sites in morph?
 @Jaymz665 [I don't remember whether I asked or not, but is it possible to enable notificati …], Nope, at least not yet, push notifications are a bit of a tricky one when it comes down to notifications well in general I think?
 I think it's not really push notification but the banner that browsers display as notification … anyway, that's not working in morph yet. Not sure if QtWebEngine even supports it already
 Webpush is a little more interesting than that, but it is indeed not supported in Morph Browser
 https://developers.google.com/web/fundamentals/push-notifications/web-push-protocol
 @UniversalSuperBox [Webpush is a little more interesting than that, but it is indeed not supported i …], are there plans for implementation?  I really need web notifications, since morph for me is the main application :-)
 Not at the moment
 But if you're interested in seeing how it could be hooked up (for battery purposes, it might require looking in the device-wide push client rather than the browser) I'm game
 @Jaymz665 [are there plans for implementation?  I really need web notifications, since morp …], It would need to run the browser in the background when the device is sleeping, is that what Android does?
 Or did they split it off into a listener component?
 It actually works remarkably similarly to Ubuntu-Push
 Don't tell anyone, but I did a bit of reading during my vacation
 I would like to just receive notifications at least when I turn on the browser, that would be good.  How it works on android, I cannot say, since I have not studied this issue
 @UniversalSuperBox [It actually works remarkably similarly to Ubuntu-Push], Well so far services need to use our gateway, would that be the same for web push?
 I'm sure that QtWebEngine could be coaxed into sending notifications, but I don't think that's the way we should spend our time implementing it. Then the browser would need to run in the background all the time or would only get notifications when it's running
 @Flohack [It would need to run the browser in the background when the device is sleeping, …], i think google actually uses firebase messaging for chrome
 @Flohack [Well so far services need to use our gateway, would that be the same for web pus …], Check the link I just sent
 The application server tells a push service that there's a notification, the push service handles delivering the notification to the device.
 but that is different from the serviceworker "push" notifications thing in web
 lol, that's just ubuntu-push's push-helpers.
 The push server sends a push message to the browser client, it dispatches the message to the service worker, the worker determines what to do.
 i'm pretty sure the serviceworker thing just keeps a chromium process running in background, and a socket open to the server in question
 Not according to MDN: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Push_API#Push_concepts_and_usage
 Chromium does stay open in the background, but it is maintaining a connection to Firebase, not the app server
 Likewise, Firefox maintains a connection to Mozilla's push servers
 The app server is told to contact Firebase or Mozilla Push Service
 hmm
 It's pretty cool
 I'm pretty sure that is what allows Chrome on Android to handle push notifications without tanking battery life. It just hooks into the existing push client running inside the GMS
 Since GMS has the connection to Firebase already, it doesn't need to open a new one for every push subscription.
 well if that's true, i guess we could implement something in ubuntu-push and point things at our server then
 Yeah!
 sigh why did all these apps have to break with qt 5.12
 @dohbee [if i'm going to use a terminal on a phone seriously, OSK won't cut it. time for …], Agreed! Have to say the iClever portable folding blue tooth keyboards are all really nice and work excellently with UT (tested on OnePlus One and Meizu Pro 5)
 @ItsMeShouko [Sfos terminal is lot easier to use than ubports, maybe we need a better keyboard], btw Fingerterm should be easy to port since it does not depend on Silica
 Noice
 @UniversalSuperBox [Yeah!], Is there a "Hello World" for web push I could use to try out things? We already have the Matrix customization in place, I would clone it to make an adapter for web push
 Ah like this lol xenial_-_fix-ut1556
 goood
 my keyboard
 [Edit] Ah like this lol https://github.com/vkarpov15/web-push-demo
 Stops registering the CTRL key when I am too fast. Its a gaming keyboard with n-key-rollover lol
 @Flohack what do I do if the Teleports window is empty on the desktop? This is for that grammar PR.
 @ahoneybun [@Flohack what do I do if the Teleports window is empty on the desktop? This is f …], Eh what do you mean empty? I will take over your PR if you like. pot file is autogenerated, you cannot change it directly. You need to change the strings in the qml and cpp files
 I did change the files though I would told I need to build it using clickable to build the application and pot file. The window is just white with a title bar. If you can share what you did I'm fine with you taking over the PR.
 I just want to learn so I can contribute.
 @ahoneybun [I did change the files though I would told I need to build it using clickable to …], well you just need to get` clickable build` to work. you dont need to actually be able to run it. Still it should work no idea whats wrong. did you start with `clickable desktop`?
 Yea I did the desktop option after running the commands I need. I can't use adb to push the app on the phone since the PinePhone has no android parts
 I think it builds fine. I have a different branch on my fork for a new PR.
 i really like UT's terminal, think i prefer it to sfos' fingerterm - but sfos does have a better 'terminal keyboard layout' or whatever its called
 but i think on either OS for any serious stuff to be done in a terminal a physical keyboard is a must
 dunno why, but terminals just require the whole screen IMO, having a keyboard bump up and take half of it up proper breaks it for me 😆