| callmepk | good morning | 01:13 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Morning callmepk | 01:24 |
| callmepk | morning duflu | 02:32 |
| jibel | Good morning $world | 04:55 |
| duflu | Good morning jibel | 04:59 |
| jibel | Hi duflu | 05:03 |
| jibel | hmm, something brings down my entire session when I do a package update. That's annoying | 05:04 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 06:13 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:28 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 06:42 |
| marcustomlinson | morning desktoppers | 06:43 |
| didrocks | hey oSoMoN, marcustomlinson | 06:43 |
| oSoMoN | morning marcustomlinson | 06:43 |
| duflu | Morning oSoMoN, didrocks, marcustomlinson | 06:44 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 06:44 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 06:44 |
| marcustomlinson | hey didrocks oSoMoN and duflu | 06:46 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 07:29 |
| didrocks | hey seb128 | 07:30 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, comment ça va aujourd'hui ? | 07:30 |
| didrocks | ça va, et toi ? | 07:32 |
| seb128 | ça va bien :-) | 07:33 |
| Laney | sup | 08:03 |
| didrocks | hey Laney | 08:06 |
| oSoMoN | sup Laney | 08:09 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 and Laney | 08:12 |
| seb128 | hey duflu , Laney, oSoMoN ...how are you? | 08:15 |
| duflu | seb128, pretty good, you? | 08:16 |
| seb128 | I'm alright, up since 6:30 and I wish I had another hour sleep though | 08:17 |
| seb128 | working on it with a cappuccino | 08:17 |
| Laney | 6.30 😭 | 08:19 |
| Laney | hey didrocks oSoMoN duflu seb128 | 08:19 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, we're 6:30 brothas :) I did manage to go to sleep before midnight though, so I'm fairly well rested | 08:24 |
| luna_ | sorry i missed the meeting yesterday had massive headache and no energy for anything yesterday | 08:51 |
| didrocks | cpaelzer: it seems the blacklist isn’t enough: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg gnome-software is still there. I wonder what actionnable solution we have | 08:57 |
| seb128 | didrocks, ignore the noise and move on? ;-) | 08:58 |
| didrocks | seb128: well, we try to keep the list clean, it’s like when you have your first compilation warning on a project and finish with hundreds | 08:58 |
| didrocks | or same in syslogs :p look at it and you will be scared | 08:59 |
| seb128 | right, I get that, but we don't seem to have an option that doesn't create ongoing workload for our team | 09:00 |
| seb128 | so between noise and increased workload... | 09:00 |
| seb128 | not that I'm happy about it :-/ | 09:01 |
| didrocks999 | let’s see what cpaelzer says about it | 09:01 |
| Laney | is it component-mismatches or germinate not understanding the provides? | 09:22 |
| didrocks999 | germinate from my notes of a discussion between v_orlon and s_eb128 | 09:25 |
| seb128 | unsure, or it doesn't like the Recommends having universe options listed as first alternatives | 09:26 |
| didrocks999 | oh, I think you were more categoric that it was the germinate output triggering this | 09:26 |
| seb128 | but changing the order would mean adding a diff over Debian... | 09:26 |
| seb128 | I don't understand germinate enough to make statement, but I pointed out to the reply from Steve | 09:26 |
| seb128 | he's probably right in what he said but I didn't check | 09:27 |
| jibel | Laney, hi, the ubiquity MP has been updated, can you do another pass? | 09:27 |
| Laney | Ordering would be weird, it should be able to resolve the relationship with what's there already | 09:27 |
| Laney | jibel: yeah, I saw, will do later! | 09:27 |
| jibel | thanks | 09:28 |
| Laney | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm | 09:29 |
| Laney | didrocks999: seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p6zmXmwSN7/ | 09:31 |
| Laney | We don't build ubuntu-desktop on riscv64/s390x, so the Provides isn't there | 09:31 |
| didrocks999 | oh good catch, the issue would be only on those 2 archs… Then the info is lost when c-m takes that as an input | 09:33 |
| didrocks999 | then, excluding the arch on packagegit will introduce the same delta issue… | 09:34 |
| seb128 | would be nice to have an ignore list to add such items... | 09:36 |
| didrocks999 | that’s why I tried the blacklist in the platform seed | 09:40 |
| didrocks999 | but no luck | 09:40 |
| seb128 | :-( | 09:40 |
| Laney | I think it's going to have to be fix c-m | 09:41 |
| Laney | e.g. to look at seeds and where they are supposed to be supported | 09:41 |
| Laney | or stop this happening somehow | 09:43 |
| Laney | laney@snakefruit:~$ chdist apt-cache groovy-proposed-riscv64 show gstreamer1.0-packagekit | egrep '^Task' | 09:43 |
| Laney | Task: ubuntu-desktop-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-budgie-desktop | 09:43 |
| Laney | but either of those are sort of saying that on these arches it's ok for things to not be installable with main only | 09:46 |
| Laney | perhaps that is ok | 09:46 |
| cpaelzer | didrocks999: I was experimenting with blacklist today for other reasons | 10:55 |
| cpaelzer | didrocks999: it seems to have no effect at all and also isn't in the STRUCTURE file anymore | 10:55 |
| cpaelzer | first of all the same file is present on platform and ubuntu | 10:57 |
| cpaelzer | adding the package "totalbullshit" to the blacklist on both seed repos makes it NOT show up in the output of germinate | 11:00 |
| cpaelzer | so the blacklist mechanism seems to be no more exist | 11:01 |
| cpaelzer | and due to that your recent change does nothing at all | 11:06 |
| cpaelzer | per germinate doc there is a different way to blacklist | 11:06 |
| cpaelzer | I'm experimenting with it right now | 11:06 |
| Laney | cpaelzer: what are you trying to do? | 11:07 |
| Laney | blacklist entries are almost never the right thing | 11:08 |
| cpaelzer | Laney: two things, first: above didrocks tried to get gnome-software to no more show up (there is a longer story around snaps behind it) | 11:08 |
| Laney | *maybe* if you want to cause FTBFS they're appropriate | 11:08 |
| cpaelzer | Laney: and second: I have a virtual package and some of the providers of said virtual pkg are in main, but it pulls in others which now are in component mismatches | 11:09 |
| cpaelzer | I was looking at it (experimentally) for the latter and saw the question of didrocks999 above | 11:09 |
| cpaelzer | and since I just found that blacklist either are processed later (post germinate) or never at all I thought I'll let didrocks999 know about it | 11:10 |
| cpaelzer | Laney: if you happen to know if the blacklist files are actually used ...? because otherwise we could as well remove them to not mislead. | 11:14 |
| cpaelzer | Laney: and OTOH if you know a way I can convince germinate to use a pkg already seeded (as described in the germinate man page) instead of a random one in the following step I'd appreciate that as well | 11:15 |
| cpaelzer | germinate.log:1615:* Chose esmtp-run out of mail-transport-agent to satisfy logcheck | 11:15 |
| Laney | cpaelzer: I don't know why postfix isn't picked there, that's weird to me since it's in the same seed... | 11:28 |
| Laney | but I do think that blacklist wouldn't help, it doesn't make germinate try a different path, just would give you an error at best (AFAIK) | 11:29 |
| cpaelzer | yeah I already found that adding it to blackist won't help too much | 11:29 |
| cpaelzer | but I fund that we have at least one blacklist file too much (the one in platform.git) | 11:30 |
| cpaelzer | it isn't read at all | 11:30 |
| Laney | yeah no idea what that is | 11:30 |
| Laney | I'm talking about the "* !package" entries when I talk about blacklists | 11:31 |
| Laney | you might have to ask Colin to help you with the default-mta thing :( | 11:31 |
| cpaelzer | default-mta is fine, just mail-transport-agent picks up the wrong thing | 11:31 |
| Laney | it's an or-ed dependency | 11:32 |
| cpaelzer | yes, and it picks the worst possible | 11:32 |
| Laney | if default-mta was working it would have followed the first branch and picked postfix there | 11:32 |
| cpaelzer | it resolves default-mta to postfix and mail-transport-agent to esmtp and then picks the latter | 11:32 |
| Laney | but it's obviously backtracked | 11:32 |
| Laney | which means default-mta is not working | 11:33 |
| cpaelzer | hmm true | 11:33 |
| cpaelzer | germinate.log:1614:? Unknown dependency default-mta by logcheck | 11:33 |
| Laney | Unknown supported-misc-servers package postfix | 11:35 |
| Laney | why | 11:35 |
| cpaelzer | the log is full of those | 11:35 |
| Laney | I think this is your problem, whyever that is | 11:37 |
| Laney | it clearly is in main | 11:40 |
| Laney | weird weird | 11:40 |
| xnox | Wimpress: Laney: Raspiberry Pi | 12:08 |
| xnox | is that the right way to spell it? | 12:09 |
| xnox | Raspyberry P | 12:15 |
| * xnox loves all the variations | 12:16 | |
| Laney | didrocks999: seb128: I just thought at lunch: we could make the seed have gstreamer1.0-packagekit [!riscv64 !s390x] to fix this thing probably | 13:15 |
| didrocks999 | Laney: worth a try, good idea | 13:21 |
| xnox | Laney: oooh, i like that. | 13:26 |
| Laney | it's kind of weird that you have to do this when the metapackage is arch-restricted already, but germinate doesn't know that | 13:28 |
| Laney | maybe seeds could get that concept as a top-level thing: Seed-Arch: amd64 arm64 i386 ppc64el | 13:29 |
| Laney | today is a germinate day! | 13:29 |
| Laney | (talking about it, not doing any actual work on it, the best kind of contribution) | 13:29 |
| xnox | Laney: i still don't know the point of the supported seed, given that components-missmatches doesn't look at it. It looks at all seeds ever. | 13:32 |
| Laney | what do you mean it doesn't look at it, it surely does | 13:34 |
| hellsworth | good morning desktopers | 15:01 |
| oSoMoN | good morning hellsworth | 15:01 |
| hellsworth | hey there oSoMoN | 15:01 |
| Laney | greetings hellsworth | 15:10 |
| Laney | how goes | 15:10 |
| hellsworth | hey there Laney! oh i'm ok, moving slower this morning. | 15:14 |
| Laney | age catches up on us all | 15:14 |
| hellsworth | it snowed over night. the earliest snow in record | 15:14 |
| hellsworth | and it's grey and snowy out... makes the bed seem warmer :) | 15:15 |
| Laney | nice | 15:15 |
| Laney | is it sticking around then? | 15:15 |
| hellsworth | so yesterday the high was like 2 and the day before.. 34 | 15:15 |
| hellsworth | just wild | 15:15 |
| hellsworth | nah it'll melt over the next couple of days but there's snow on the ground now | 15:15 |
| Laney | snow angel STAT | 15:19 |
| hellsworth | haha no it's too wet to really work for a snow angel :) | 15:21 |
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