callmepkgood morning01:13
dufluMorning callmepk 01:24
callmepkmorning duflu 02:32
jibelGood morning $world04:55
dufluGood morning jibel 04:59
jibelHi duflu 05:03
jibelhmm, something brings down my entire session when I do a package update. That's annoying 05:04
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:13
didrocksgood morning06:28
oSoMoNsalut didrocks 06:42
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers06:43
didrockshey oSoMoN, marcustomlinson 06:43
oSoMoNmorning marcustomlinson 06:43
dufluMorning oSoMoN, didrocks, marcustomlinson 06:44
didrockshey duflu 06:44
oSoMoNhey duflu 06:44
marcustomlinsonhey didrocks oSoMoN and duflu06:46
seb128goood morning desktopers07:29
didrockshey seb128 07:30
seb128lut didrocks, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?07:30
didrocksça va, et toi ?07:32
seb128ça va bien :-)07:33
didrockshey Laney 08:06
oSoMoNsup Laney 08:09
dufluMorning seb128 and Laney08:12
seb128hey duflu , Laney, oSoMoN ...how are you?08:15
dufluseb128, pretty good, you?08:16
seb128I'm alright, up since 6:30 and I wish I had another hour sleep though08:17
seb128working on it with a cappuccino08:17
Laney6.30 😭08:19
Laneyhey didrocks oSoMoN duflu seb128 08:19
oSoMoNseb128, we're 6:30 brothas :) I did manage to go to sleep before midnight though, so I'm fairly well rested08:24
luna_sorry i missed the meeting yesterday had massive headache and no energy for anything yesterday08:51
didrockscpaelzer: it seems the blacklist isn’t enough: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg gnome-software is still there. I wonder what actionnable solution we have08:57
seb128didrocks, ignore the noise and move on? ;-)08:58
didrocksseb128: well, we try to keep the list clean, it’s like when you have your first compilation warning on a project and finish with hundreds08:58
didrocksor same in syslogs :p look at it and you will be scared08:59
seb128right, I get that, but we don't seem to have an option that doesn't create ongoing workload for our team09:00
seb128so between noise and increased workload...09:00
seb128not that I'm happy about it :-/09:01
didrocks999let’s see what cpaelzer says about it09:01
Laneyis it component-mismatches or germinate not understanding the provides?09:22
didrocks999germinate from my notes of a discussion between v_orlon and s_eb12809:25
seb128unsure, or it doesn't like the Recommends having universe options listed as first alternatives09:26
didrocks999oh, I think you were more categoric that it was the germinate output triggering this09:26
seb128but changing the order would mean adding a diff over Debian...09:26
seb128I don't understand germinate enough to make statement, but I pointed out to the reply from Steve09:26
seb128he's probably right in what he said but I didn't check09:27
jibelLaney, hi, the ubiquity MP has been updated, can you do another pass?09:27
LaneyOrdering would be weird, it should be able to resolve the relationship with what's there already09:27
Laneyjibel: yeah, I saw, will do later!09:27
Laneydidrocks999: seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p6zmXmwSN7/09:31
LaneyWe don't build ubuntu-desktop on riscv64/s390x, so the Provides isn't there09:31
didrocks999oh good catch, the issue would be only on those 2 archs… Then the info is lost when c-m takes that as an input09:33
didrocks999then, excluding the arch on packagegit will introduce the same delta issue…09:34
seb128would be nice to have an ignore list to add such items...09:36
didrocks999that’s why I tried the blacklist in the platform seed09:40
didrocks999but no luck09:40
LaneyI think it's going to have to be fix c-m09:41
Laneye.g. to look at seeds and where they are supposed to be supported09:41
Laneyor stop this happening somehow09:43
Laneylaney@snakefruit:~$ chdist apt-cache groovy-proposed-riscv64 show gstreamer1.0-packagekit | egrep '^Task'09:43
LaneyTask: ubuntu-desktop-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-budgie-desktop09:43
Laneybut either of those are sort of saying that on these arches it's ok for things to not be installable with main only09:46
Laneyperhaps that is ok09:46
cpaelzerdidrocks999: I was experimenting with blacklist today for other reasons10:55
cpaelzerdidrocks999: it seems to have no effect at all and also isn't in the STRUCTURE file anymore10:55
cpaelzerfirst of all the same file is present on platform and ubuntu10:57
cpaelzeradding the package "totalbullshit" to the blacklist on both seed repos makes it NOT show up in the output of germinate11:00
cpaelzerso the blacklist mechanism seems to be no more exist11:01
cpaelzerand due to that your recent change does nothing at all11:06
cpaelzerper germinate doc there is a different way to blacklist11:06
cpaelzerI'm experimenting with it right now11:06
Laneycpaelzer: what are you trying to do?11:07
Laneyblacklist entries are almost never the right thing11:08
cpaelzerLaney: two things, first: above didrocks tried to get gnome-software to no more show up (there is a longer story around snaps behind it)11:08
Laney*maybe* if you want to cause FTBFS they're appropriate11:08
cpaelzerLaney: and second: I have a virtual package and some of the providers of said virtual pkg are in main, but it pulls in others which now are in component mismatches11:09
cpaelzerI was looking at it (experimentally) for the latter and saw the question of didrocks999 above11:09
cpaelzerand since I just found that blacklist either are processed later (post germinate) or never at all I thought I'll let didrocks999 know about it11:10
cpaelzerLaney: if you happen to know if the blacklist files are actually used ...? because otherwise we could as well remove them to not mislead.11:14
cpaelzerLaney: and OTOH if you know a way I can convince germinate to use a pkg already seeded (as described in the germinate man page) instead of a random one in the following step I'd appreciate that as well11:15
cpaelzergerminate.log:1615:* Chose esmtp-run out of mail-transport-agent to satisfy logcheck11:15
Laneycpaelzer: I don't know why postfix isn't picked there, that's weird to me since it's in the same seed...11:28
Laneybut I do think that blacklist wouldn't help, it doesn't make germinate try a different path, just would give you an error at best (AFAIK)11:29
cpaelzeryeah I already found that adding it to blackist won't help too much11:29
cpaelzerbut I fund that we have at least one blacklist file too much (the one in platform.git)11:30
cpaelzerit isn't read at all11:30
Laneyyeah no idea what that is11:30
LaneyI'm talking about the "* !package" entries when I talk about blacklists11:31
Laneyyou might have to ask Colin to help you with the default-mta thing :(11:31
cpaelzerdefault-mta is fine, just mail-transport-agent picks up the wrong thing11:31
Laneyit's an or-ed dependency11:32
cpaelzeryes, and it picks the worst possible11:32
Laneyif default-mta was working it would have followed the first branch and picked postfix there11:32
cpaelzerit resolves default-mta to postfix and mail-transport-agent to esmtp and then picks the latter11:32
Laneybut it's obviously backtracked11:32
Laneywhich means default-mta is not working11:33
cpaelzerhmm true11:33
cpaelzergerminate.log:1614:? Unknown dependency default-mta by logcheck11:33
LaneyUnknown supported-misc-servers package postfix11:35
cpaelzerthe log is full of those11:35
LaneyI think this is your problem, whyever that is11:37
Laneyit clearly is in main11:40
Laneyweird weird11:40
xnoxWimpress:  Laney: Raspiberry Pi12:08
xnoxis that the right way to spell it?12:09
xnoxRaspyberry P12:15
* xnox loves all the variations12:16
Laneydidrocks999: seb128: I just thought at lunch: we could make the seed have gstreamer1.0-packagekit [!riscv64 !s390x] to fix this thing probably13:15
didrocks999Laney: worth a try, good idea13:21
xnoxLaney:  oooh, i like that.13:26
Laneyit's kind of weird that you have to do this when the metapackage is arch-restricted already, but germinate doesn't know that13:28
Laneymaybe seeds could get that concept as a top-level thing: Seed-Arch: amd64 arm64 i386 ppc64el13:29
Laneytoday is a germinate day!13:29
Laney(talking about it, not doing any actual work on it, the best kind of contribution)13:29
xnoxLaney:  i still don't know the point of the supported seed, given that components-missmatches doesn't look at it. It looks at all seeds ever.13:32
Laneywhat do you mean it doesn't look at it, it surely does13:34
hellsworthgood morning desktopers15:01
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth 15:01
hellsworthhey there oSoMoN 15:01
Laneygreetings hellsworth 15:10
Laneyhow goes15:10
hellsworthhey there Laney! oh i'm ok, moving slower this morning.15:14
Laneyage catches up on us all15:14
hellsworthit snowed over night. the earliest snow in record15:14
hellsworthand it's grey and snowy out... makes the bed seem warmer :)15:15
Laneyis it sticking around then?15:15
hellsworthso yesterday the high was like 2 and the day before.. 3415:15
hellsworthjust wild15:15
hellsworthnah it'll melt over the next couple of days but there's snow on the ground now15:15
Laneysnow angel STAT15:19
hellsworthhaha no it's too wet to really work for a snow angel :)15:21
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