[01:13] <callmepk> good morning
[01:24] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[02:32] <callmepk> morning duflu 
[04:55] <jibel> Good morning $world
[04:59] <duflu> Good morning jibel 
[05:03] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[05:04] <jibel> hmm, something brings down my entire session when I do a package update. That's annoying 
[06:13] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:28] <didrocks> good morning
[06:42] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[06:43] <marcustomlinson> morning desktoppers
[06:43] <didrocks> hey oSoMoN, marcustomlinson 
[06:43] <oSoMoN> morning marcustomlinson 
[06:44] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN, didrocks, marcustomlinson 
[06:44] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[06:44] <oSoMoN> hey duflu 
[06:46] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks oSoMoN and duflu
[07:29] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:30] <didrocks> hey seb128 
[07:30] <seb128> lut didrocks, comment ça va aujourd'hui ?
[07:32] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[07:33] <seb128> ça va bien :-)
[08:03] <Laney> sup
[08:06] <didrocks> hey Laney 
[08:09] <oSoMoN> sup Laney 
[08:12] <duflu> Morning seb128 and Laney
[08:15] <seb128> hey duflu , Laney, oSoMoN ...how are you?
[08:16] <duflu> seb128, pretty good, you?
[08:17] <seb128> I'm alright, up since 6:30 and I wish I had another hour sleep though
[08:17] <seb128> working on it with a cappuccino
[08:19] <Laney> 6.30 😭
[08:19] <Laney> hey didrocks oSoMoN duflu seb128 
[08:24] <oSoMoN> seb128, we're 6:30 brothas :) I did manage to go to sleep before midnight though, so I'm fairly well rested
[08:51] <luna_> sorry i missed the meeting yesterday had massive headache and no energy for anything yesterday
[08:57] <didrocks> cpaelzer: it seems the blacklist isn’t enough: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg gnome-software is still there. I wonder what actionnable solution we have
[08:58] <seb128> didrocks, ignore the noise and move on? ;-)
[08:58] <didrocks> seb128: well, we try to keep the list clean, it’s like when you have your first compilation warning on a project and finish with hundreds
[08:59] <didrocks> or same in syslogs :p look at it and you will be scared
[09:00] <seb128> right, I get that, but we don't seem to have an option that doesn't create ongoing workload for our team
[09:00] <seb128> so between noise and increased workload...
[09:01] <seb128> not that I'm happy about it :-/
[09:01] <didrocks999> let’s see what cpaelzer says about it
[09:22] <Laney> is it component-mismatches or germinate not understanding the provides?
[09:25] <didrocks999> germinate from my notes of a discussion between v_orlon and s_eb128
[09:26] <seb128> unsure, or it doesn't like the Recommends having universe options listed as first alternatives
[09:26] <didrocks999> oh, I think you were more categoric that it was the germinate output triggering this
[09:26] <seb128> but changing the order would mean adding a diff over Debian...
[09:26] <seb128> I don't understand germinate enough to make statement, but I pointed out to the reply from Steve
[09:27] <seb128> he's probably right in what he said but I didn't check
[09:27] <jibel> Laney, hi, the ubiquity MP has been updated, can you do another pass?
[09:27] <Laney> Ordering would be weird, it should be able to resolve the relationship with what's there already
[09:27] <Laney> jibel: yeah, I saw, will do later!
[09:28] <jibel> thanks
[09:29] <Laney> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[09:31] <Laney> didrocks999: seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p6zmXmwSN7/
[09:31] <Laney> We don't build ubuntu-desktop on riscv64/s390x, so the Provides isn't there
[09:33] <didrocks999> oh good catch, the issue would be only on those 2 archs… Then the info is lost when c-m takes that as an input
[09:34] <didrocks999> then, excluding the arch on packagegit will introduce the same delta issue…
[09:36] <seb128> would be nice to have an ignore list to add such items...
[09:40] <didrocks999> that’s why I tried the blacklist in the platform seed
[09:40] <didrocks999> but no luck
[09:40] <seb128> :-(
[09:41] <Laney> I think it's going to have to be fix c-m
[09:41] <Laney> e.g. to look at seeds and where they are supposed to be supported
[09:43] <Laney> or stop this happening somehow
[09:43] <Laney> laney@snakefruit:~$ chdist apt-cache groovy-proposed-riscv64 show gstreamer1.0-packagekit | egrep '^Task'
[09:43] <Laney> Task: ubuntu-desktop-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-budgie-desktop
[09:46] <Laney> but either of those are sort of saying that on these arches it's ok for things to not be installable with main only
[09:46] <Laney> perhaps that is ok
[10:55] <cpaelzer> didrocks999: I was experimenting with blacklist today for other reasons
[10:55] <cpaelzer> didrocks999: it seems to have no effect at all and also isn't in the STRUCTURE file anymore
[10:57] <cpaelzer> first of all the same file is present on platform and ubuntu
[11:00] <cpaelzer> adding the package "totalbullshit" to the blacklist on both seed repos makes it NOT show up in the output of germinate
[11:01] <cpaelzer> so the blacklist mechanism seems to be no more exist
[11:06] <cpaelzer> and due to that your recent change does nothing at all
[11:06] <cpaelzer> per germinate doc there is a different way to blacklist
[11:06] <cpaelzer> I'm experimenting with it right now
[11:07] <Laney> cpaelzer: what are you trying to do?
[11:08] <Laney> blacklist entries are almost never the right thing
[11:08] <cpaelzer> Laney: two things, first: above didrocks tried to get gnome-software to no more show up (there is a longer story around snaps behind it)
[11:08] <Laney> *maybe* if you want to cause FTBFS they're appropriate
[11:09] <cpaelzer> Laney: and second: I have a virtual package and some of the providers of said virtual pkg are in main, but it pulls in others which now are in component mismatches
[11:09] <cpaelzer> I was looking at it (experimentally) for the latter and saw the question of didrocks999 above
[11:10] <cpaelzer> and since I just found that blacklist either are processed later (post germinate) or never at all I thought I'll let didrocks999 know about it
[11:14] <cpaelzer> Laney: if you happen to know if the blacklist files are actually used ...? because otherwise we could as well remove them to not mislead.
[11:15] <cpaelzer> Laney: and OTOH if you know a way I can convince germinate to use a pkg already seeded (as described in the germinate man page) instead of a random one in the following step I'd appreciate that as well
[11:15] <cpaelzer> germinate.log:1615:* Chose esmtp-run out of mail-transport-agent to satisfy logcheck
[11:28] <Laney> cpaelzer: I don't know why postfix isn't picked there, that's weird to me since it's in the same seed...
[11:29] <Laney> but I do think that blacklist wouldn't help, it doesn't make germinate try a different path, just would give you an error at best (AFAIK)
[11:29] <cpaelzer> yeah I already found that adding it to blackist won't help too much
[11:30] <cpaelzer> but I fund that we have at least one blacklist file too much (the one in platform.git)
[11:30] <cpaelzer> it isn't read at all
[11:30] <Laney> yeah no idea what that is
[11:31] <Laney> I'm talking about the "* !package" entries when I talk about blacklists
[11:31] <Laney> you might have to ask Colin to help you with the default-mta thing :(
[11:31] <cpaelzer> default-mta is fine, just mail-transport-agent picks up the wrong thing
[11:32] <Laney> it's an or-ed dependency
[11:32] <cpaelzer> yes, and it picks the worst possible
[11:32] <Laney> if default-mta was working it would have followed the first branch and picked postfix there
[11:32] <cpaelzer> it resolves default-mta to postfix and mail-transport-agent to esmtp and then picks the latter
[11:32] <Laney> but it's obviously backtracked
[11:33] <Laney> which means default-mta is not working
[11:33] <cpaelzer> hmm true
[11:33] <cpaelzer> germinate.log:1614:? Unknown dependency default-mta by logcheck
[11:35] <Laney> Unknown supported-misc-servers package postfix
[11:35] <Laney> why
[11:35] <cpaelzer> the log is full of those
[11:37] <Laney> I think this is your problem, whyever that is
[11:40] <Laney> it clearly is in main
[11:40] <Laney> weird weird
[12:08] <xnox> Wimpress:  Laney: Raspiberry Pi
[12:09] <xnox> is that the right way to spell it?
[12:15] <xnox> Raspyberry P
[12:16]  * xnox loves all the variations
[13:15] <Laney> didrocks999: seb128: I just thought at lunch: we could make the seed have gstreamer1.0-packagekit [!riscv64 !s390x] to fix this thing probably
[13:21] <didrocks999> Laney: worth a try, good idea
[13:26] <xnox> Laney:  oooh, i like that.
[13:28] <Laney> it's kind of weird that you have to do this when the metapackage is arch-restricted already, but germinate doesn't know that
[13:29] <Laney> maybe seeds could get that concept as a top-level thing: Seed-Arch: amd64 arm64 i386 ppc64el
[13:29] <Laney> today is a germinate day!
[13:29] <Laney> (talking about it, not doing any actual work on it, the best kind of contribution)
[13:32] <xnox> Laney:  i still don't know the point of the supported seed, given that components-missmatches doesn't look at it. It looks at all seeds ever.
[13:34] <Laney> what do you mean it doesn't look at it, it surely does
[15:01] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:01] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[15:01] <hellsworth> hey there oSoMoN 
[15:10] <Laney> greetings hellsworth 
[15:10] <Laney> how goes
[15:14] <hellsworth> hey there Laney! oh i'm ok, moving slower this morning.
[15:14] <Laney> age catches up on us all
[15:14] <hellsworth> it snowed over night. the earliest snow in record
[15:15] <hellsworth> and it's grey and snowy out... makes the bed seem warmer :)
[15:15] <Laney> nice
[15:15] <Laney> is it sticking around then?
[15:15] <hellsworth> so yesterday the high was like 2 and the day before.. 34
[15:15] <hellsworth> just wild
[15:15] <hellsworth> nah it'll melt over the next couple of days but there's snow on the ground now
[15:19] <Laney> snow angel STAT
[15:21] <hellsworth> haha no it's too wet to really work for a snow angel :)
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