[01:13] good morning [01:24] Morning callmepk [02:32] morning duflu [04:55] Good morning $world [04:59] Good morning jibel [05:03] Hi duflu [05:04] hmm, something brings down my entire session when I do a package update. That's annoying [06:13] good morning desktoppers [06:28] good morning [06:42] salut didrocks [06:43] morning desktoppers [06:43] hey oSoMoN, marcustomlinson [06:43] morning marcustomlinson [06:44] Morning oSoMoN, didrocks, marcustomlinson [06:44] hey duflu [06:44] hey duflu [06:46] hey didrocks oSoMoN and duflu [07:29] goood morning desktopers [07:30] hey seb128 [07:30] lut didrocks, comment ça va aujourd'hui ? [07:32] ça va, et toi ? [07:33] ça va bien :-) [08:03] sup [08:06] hey Laney [08:09] sup Laney [08:12] Morning seb128 and Laney [08:15] hey duflu , Laney, oSoMoN ...how are you? [08:16] seb128, pretty good, you? [08:17] I'm alright, up since 6:30 and I wish I had another hour sleep though [08:17] working on it with a cappuccino [08:19] 6.30 😭 [08:19] hey didrocks oSoMoN duflu seb128 [08:24] seb128, we're 6:30 brothas :) I did manage to go to sleep before midnight though, so I'm fairly well rested [08:51] sorry i missed the meeting yesterday had massive headache and no energy for anything yesterday [08:57] cpaelzer: it seems the blacklist isn’t enough: https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg gnome-software is still there. I wonder what actionnable solution we have [08:58] didrocks, ignore the noise and move on? ;-) [08:58] seb128: well, we try to keep the list clean, it’s like when you have your first compilation warning on a project and finish with hundreds [08:59] or same in syslogs :p look at it and you will be scared [09:00] right, I get that, but we don't seem to have an option that doesn't create ongoing workload for our team [09:00] so between noise and increased workload... [09:01] not that I'm happy about it :-/ [09:01] let’s see what cpaelzer says about it [09:22] is it component-mismatches or germinate not understanding the provides? [09:25] germinate from my notes of a discussion between v_orlon and s_eb128 [09:26] unsure, or it doesn't like the Recommends having universe options listed as first alternatives [09:26] oh, I think you were more categoric that it was the germinate output triggering this [09:26] but changing the order would mean adding a diff over Debian... [09:26] I don't understand germinate enough to make statement, but I pointed out to the reply from Steve [09:27] he's probably right in what he said but I didn't check [09:27] Laney, hi, the ubiquity MP has been updated, can you do another pass? [09:27] Ordering would be weird, it should be able to resolve the relationship with what's there already [09:27] jibel: yeah, I saw, will do later! [09:28] thanks [09:29] hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm [09:31] didrocks999: seb128: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/p6zmXmwSN7/ [09:31] We don't build ubuntu-desktop on riscv64/s390x, so the Provides isn't there [09:33] oh good catch, the issue would be only on those 2 archs… Then the info is lost when c-m takes that as an input [09:34] then, excluding the arch on packagegit will introduce the same delta issue… [09:36] would be nice to have an ignore list to add such items... [09:40] that’s why I tried the blacklist in the platform seed [09:40] but no luck [09:40] :-( [09:41] I think it's going to have to be fix c-m [09:41] e.g. to look at seeds and where they are supposed to be supported [09:43] or stop this happening somehow [09:43] laney@snakefruit:~$ chdist apt-cache groovy-proposed-riscv64 show gstreamer1.0-packagekit | egrep '^Task' [09:43] Task: ubuntu-desktop-minimal, ubuntu-desktop, ubuntu-budgie-desktop [09:46] but either of those are sort of saying that on these arches it's ok for things to not be installable with main only [09:46] perhaps that is ok [10:55] didrocks999: I was experimenting with blacklist today for other reasons [10:55] didrocks999: it seems to have no effect at all and also isn't in the STRUCTURE file anymore [10:57] first of all the same file is present on platform and ubuntu [11:00] adding the package "totalbullshit" to the blacklist on both seed repos makes it NOT show up in the output of germinate [11:01] so the blacklist mechanism seems to be no more exist [11:06] and due to that your recent change does nothing at all [11:06] per germinate doc there is a different way to blacklist [11:06] I'm experimenting with it right now [11:07] cpaelzer: what are you trying to do? [11:08] blacklist entries are almost never the right thing [11:08] Laney: two things, first: above didrocks tried to get gnome-software to no more show up (there is a longer story around snaps behind it) [11:08] *maybe* if you want to cause FTBFS they're appropriate [11:09] Laney: and second: I have a virtual package and some of the providers of said virtual pkg are in main, but it pulls in others which now are in component mismatches [11:09] I was looking at it (experimentally) for the latter and saw the question of didrocks999 above [11:10] and since I just found that blacklist either are processed later (post germinate) or never at all I thought I'll let didrocks999 know about it [11:14] Laney: if you happen to know if the blacklist files are actually used ...? because otherwise we could as well remove them to not mislead. [11:15] Laney: and OTOH if you know a way I can convince germinate to use a pkg already seeded (as described in the germinate man page) instead of a random one in the following step I'd appreciate that as well [11:15] germinate.log:1615:* Chose esmtp-run out of mail-transport-agent to satisfy logcheck [11:28] cpaelzer: I don't know why postfix isn't picked there, that's weird to me since it's in the same seed... [11:29] but I do think that blacklist wouldn't help, it doesn't make germinate try a different path, just would give you an error at best (AFAIK) [11:29] yeah I already found that adding it to blackist won't help too much [11:30] but I fund that we have at least one blacklist file too much (the one in platform.git) [11:30] it isn't read at all [11:30] yeah no idea what that is [11:31] I'm talking about the "* !package" entries when I talk about blacklists [11:31] you might have to ask Colin to help you with the default-mta thing :( [11:31] default-mta is fine, just mail-transport-agent picks up the wrong thing [11:32] it's an or-ed dependency [11:32] yes, and it picks the worst possible [11:32] if default-mta was working it would have followed the first branch and picked postfix there [11:32] it resolves default-mta to postfix and mail-transport-agent to esmtp and then picks the latter [11:32] but it's obviously backtracked [11:33] which means default-mta is not working [11:33] hmm true [11:33] germinate.log:1614:? Unknown dependency default-mta by logcheck [11:35] Unknown supported-misc-servers package postfix [11:35] why [11:35] the log is full of those [11:37] I think this is your problem, whyever that is [11:40] it clearly is in main [11:40] weird weird [12:08] Wimpress: Laney: Raspiberry Pi [12:09] is that the right way to spell it? [12:15] Raspyberry P [12:16] * xnox loves all the variations [13:15] didrocks999: seb128: I just thought at lunch: we could make the seed have gstreamer1.0-packagekit [!riscv64 !s390x] to fix this thing probably [13:21] Laney: worth a try, good idea [13:26] Laney: oooh, i like that. [13:28] it's kind of weird that you have to do this when the metapackage is arch-restricted already, but germinate doesn't know that [13:29] maybe seeds could get that concept as a top-level thing: Seed-Arch: amd64 arm64 i386 ppc64el [13:29] today is a germinate day! [13:29] (talking about it, not doing any actual work on it, the best kind of contribution) [13:32] Laney: i still don't know the point of the supported seed, given that components-missmatches doesn't look at it. It looks at all seeds ever. [13:34] what do you mean it doesn't look at it, it surely does [15:01] good morning desktopers [15:01] good morning hellsworth [15:01] hey there oSoMoN [15:10] greetings hellsworth [15:10] how goes [15:14] hey there Laney! oh i'm ok, moving slower this morning. [15:14] age catches up on us all [15:14] it snowed over night. the earliest snow in record [15:15] and it's grey and snowy out... makes the bed seem warmer :) [15:15] nice [15:15] is it sticking around then? 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