[06:01] <Maik> why is that pic always posted? It's not the first time. Are people just spamming the channel?
[06:19] <guiverc> Maik, attempts to remedy the spam are being performed (looked into at least), but no idea why it's always the same bs.
 That's a bot, I think.
 musk didn't actually tweet that.
[06:44] <Maik> One of the reasons bridges got ditched in most of the other ubuntu channels afaik
[06:44] <guiverc> that may happen here if no solution is found, or until solution is found  (I just saw it posted in #kubuntu)
[06:46]  * guiverc okay it wasn't just posted there, more I just noticed it..
[06:51] <Maik> pragmaticenigma said last week or so that they got rid of the bridges, bots and even ban them due the issues if they find them. So I guess he meant all over freenode. Best to inform him about it if we want to get rid of spam posts and unofficial  bots
[06:56] <guiverc> I was likely referring to details related to that..
[07:15] <q23> oy
[10:27] <Guest65066> hy
 Hello all.I'm fairly new to Lubuntu and Linux generally. I've had 18.04.5 installed on an old Toshiba. Suddenly a message came up ' no internet' (I was reading a blog at the time) Any ideas what to do? … Thanks in advance
[12:59] <akemhp> T34P4RTY check your internet connection then, if it's wired check the cable and router, otherwise look at your Wifi status...
[13:00] <akemhp> It may also be false positive sometimes, just the site used to check if internet is available is not reponding or lagging, things like that.
 Internet is good on other devices and ISP has run a test (all good) Also tried to connect to a number of sites without success
 Is there a system check i can do?
[13:19] <akemhp> T34P4RTY What connection is it, wired or WIFI?
 Wifi
[13:26] <akemhp> T34P4RTY First be sure you are connected to your WIFI hotspot in the right bottom corner WIFI icon. If yes, then maybe it is just a DNS problem. So to test that, open a terminal with ctrl+alt+t, and type: "sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf", now on the line "nameserver ..." change it to "nameserver 8.8.8.8" (add the line if necessary). Then do ctrl+o then ctrl+x; and then open firefox or chromium and try to load wikipedia.org or youtube for example to see if it
[13:26] <akemhp> works.
[13:27] <akemhp> You'll have to enter your root password before you can edit the file with nano, it will ask it.
[13:27] <akemhp> If that solves the issue it will possible to make it permenant i guess in the WIFI config. Just try it, and tell us.
[13:28] <akemhp> You need to press return after doing ctrl+o.
[13:29] <akemhp> Before doing ctrl+x.
 @akemhp [<akemhp> T34P4RTY First be sure you are connected to your WIFI hotspot in the ri …], It looks like its not connected to WiFi hot spot (normally shows bars denoting connection- now shows two monitors with an X
[13:41] <akemhp> T34P4RTY Click on it, it will displays available networks, choose yours click on its name.
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/zo7I611.jpg
[13:41] <akemhp> It may ask you the WIFI key to connect. Then the icon should change.
[13:42] <akemhp> T34P4RTY, what happens when you click it?
 It asks to edit WiFi connection, I clicked 'add' SSID is blank and 'save' is greyed out
[13:46] <akemhp> Try to right click maybe, disconnect...normally the icon doesn't look like that afaik, and it should display you available WIFI networks.
 Right click gives a panel strings pane- add/ remove panel items
 On the far right icon with ! when I hover it says connection has limited or no connectivity
[13:50] <akemhp> lubot, Well there is something weird going on, you tried to reboot right?
[13:50] <akemhp> not lubot i mean T34P4RTY.
 Yes twice
[13:51] <akemhp> Ok, wait a second.
[13:52] <akemhp> I'm booting my lubuntu to see, cause i have regular ubuntu on this machine, so its not the same.
 On network connection shall I uninstall WiFi (using - as opposed to +) and then reinstall?
 Ok
[13:55] <akemhp> lubot, When you right click don't you see "Activate Wifi" on top of the menu?
[13:55] <akemhp> Or Activate network?
 I went into system tools> network> network settings and a panel came up with general tab showing host name but no domain name? Under DNS tab it shows a DNS server which I can add or delete.
 @akemhp [<akemhp> lubot, When you right click don't you see "Activate Wifi" on top of the …], No a panel comes up with indicator applet settings> Add/ remove> panel settings> create new> about
 @T34P4RTY [No a panel comes up with indicator applet settings> Add/ remove> panel settings> …], If I left click I get enable networks> enable WiFi> edit connection. Above these are Ethernet network disconnected> WiFi networks> WiFi is disabled but these are greyed out
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://i.imgur.com/G3lrDav.jpg
 I ran Mac changer a week ago. Would that have affected anything?
[14:19] <akemhp_> T34P4RTY Yes maybe. Something has messed up your WIFI connectivity, not sure how to fix that...
[14:20] <akemhp_> If you don't wanna waste time, do a reinstall, its fast and your settings will be back to normal...Try to avoid mac changers or weird things if you're not sure what you are doing.
 OK thanks for your help
 @akemhp_ [<akemhp_> If you don't wanna waste time, do a reinstall, its fast and your setti …], Just found a button underneath lap top that disables WiFi ! … Sorry, I feel foolish for warring your time. Apologies and thank you for your troubles
[16:44] <aller1a> Hi guys
 Hello
 Is there a tutorial or link to rearrange the bar at bottom if screen? I want to configure power/ WiFi/menu/ Bluetooth/ etc. Had a go but not sure how it all works and don't want to mess it up
[19:26] <susan> I am a Linux noob attempting to install Lubuntu 20.04 on an old Samsung NP-RV511 laptop and install failed with Boost.Python error in job "bootloader"
[19:26] <susan> Can someone help?
[19:34] <wxl> susan: did you let the image run the self check at boot or did you skip it?
[19:37] <susan> I didn't get a message to run self check. I booted via USB stick
[19:37] <susan> I changed boot order in BIOS so pc would boot from USB
[19:38] <kc2bez> susan: Where did you download the image from and which version of Lubuntu?
[19:41] <susan> I downloaded version Lubuntu 20.04 from Ubuntu website (the bitorrent file)
[19:42] <wxl> if it's torrent, it's fairly safe to assume the integrity of the image is good, though not necessarily the installation media
[19:42] <wxl> so the self check really should be run
[19:42] <wxl> if you didn't see it run, chances are it did, but you should double check by booting and ensuring it does
[19:44] <susan> It booted successfully, and I can see linux desktop, but when I go through the installation process from there it fails.
[19:44] <kc2bez> It is also important that your drive is not NTFS. I think Rufus does this by default.
[19:45] <susan> I used Rufus
[19:46] <wxl> ah ha! so there's the problem :)
[19:46] <susan> ?
[19:46] <kc2bez> You could try Etcher.
[19:46] <kc2bez> Or make sure the drive is FAT32
[19:47] <kc2bez> NTFS will produce install errors.
[19:47] <susan> I used the official linux manual and it recommended Rufus
[19:49] <wxl> rufus itself isn't the problem, but the fact it makes ntfs by default. you can probably modify that behavior, or simply partition the drive as fat32 before using rufus.
[19:49] <kc2bez> There is a dropdown option to change the file system in rufus and it just needs to be changed to FAT32
[19:53] <kc2bez> I outlined it in this picture. https://imgur.com/a/wGKybJx
[19:53] <kc2bez> If you select FAT32 there it should work better.
[19:59] <susan> I'm pretty sure I selected FAT32 in Rufus. Suppose it wouldn't do any harm to check again though
[20:01] <susan> https://i.imgur.com/spDiLPE.jpg
[20:02] <wxl> you have a 600gb usb?
[20:03] <susan> No, 6GB
[20:03] <susan> But the hard drive in my laptop is over 500 gb
[20:04] <susan> The partitioning is confusing me a little
[20:05] <wxl> so right, that fat32 you see is a partition on your hard drive
[20:06] <wxl> see at the top it says Storage device: SAMSUNG HM641JI - 596.2 GiB (/dev/sda)
[20:06] <wxl> that's what all of the below refers to
[20:06] <susan> That's the hard drive in my laptop
[20:06] <wxl> parittions on /dev/sda are going to be enumerated, /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2, etc.
[20:07] <susan> Okay, so what should I do?
[20:07] <wxl> right so if you're trying to check to see if you have a fat32 usb, that's not where to look
[20:07] <susan> Ah, so I need to check the USB itself
[20:08] <wxl> but that is not going to show up in the installer
[20:08] <wxl> since the installer is only going to show locations you can install to
[20:11] <susan> https://i.imgur.com/3DwxK0z.jpg
[20:11] <wxl> this is after you remade the usb with fat32?
[20:11] <susan> That's the original error message
[20:12] <susan> I haven't remade the usb with fat32
[20:12] <susan> The error message came up on the Lubuntu installer
[20:14] <susan> According to the error message, there doesn't seem to be a partition for the BIOS
[20:15] <wxl> did you do manual partitioning?
[20:17] <susan> On my first attempt I selected the Erase Disk option as per manual instructions, because I originally had Windows 7 installed on this old laptop, which I no longer have any use for
[20:20] <wxl> right, so the problem is not likely to be because of partitioning errors on your part. it's more likely to be rufus and its ntfs default which is a known problem.
[20:20] <wxl> so: remake the usb with fat32, start over and you shoulud be good
 You have a GPT formatted disk and are installing in BIOS mode. You need a small 1 MB partition without filesystem and the bios_grub flag
 The error has absolutely nothing to do with Rufus
[20:23] <susan> @Lubot - correct, the error came up in the installer, not Rufus
[20:31] <susan> https://i.imgur.com/qbk4Ail.jpg
[20:33] <susan> I still seem to be a bit stuck - I created a new partition manually and added the bios_grub flag but can't get any further - notice the 'Next' button is greyed out in above screenshot
[20:34] <susan> I still seem to be missing something
[20:37] <susan> How do I create the partition without a file system?
[20:45] <susan> lubot?
[22:09] <aller1a> hi susan
[22:10] <Guest_39> Hello! I have a very weird problem. I am trying to install a linux OS on a toshiba satellite A660. I successfully installed lubuntu 18.04 but I have a problem when i start to put some updates. When i log in the screen freez after few seconds. I checked for a kernel problem but it doesn't come from this. I tried to run ubuntu 20.04 from a usb live
[22:10] <Guest_39> key that work on an other computer but it crash for this satellite A660. Do you know any similar problem? 3 days i am on it
[22:28] <guiverc> Guest_39, Did the media check (squashfs validation) complete successfully?
[22:33] <aller1a> how old is the motherboard
[22:33] <Guest_39> it is very old 8 years
[22:34] <Guest_39> the media check works
[22:35] <aller1a> i have been having odd issues with an older board as well recognizes the drive install starts but halfway through it bombs.  I have a 128gb flash drive on the way however the bios wont see it so i am going to boot with plop when it arrives all i want it for is a router so i should be able to side step any hardware issues you may want to consider something similar
[22:38] <Guest_39> For info i successfully installed lubuntu 18.04 and log in but the problem start when i install the first row of updates
[22:40] <guiverc> Guest_39, what ISO did you use to install 18.04?  I'm asking if you're using the GA (4.15) kernel, or a HWE kernel?
[22:40] <aller1a> i understand but plop replaces the bios so it could fix a number of issues.  Also the plop bios is newer then anything you could get for that board
[22:40] <guiverc> (I have issues with the latest 5.4 HWE kernel on old thinkpads from 2003; but they are fine with older kernels so using GA kernel is the easy fix)
[22:40] <aller1a> also a 10 min fix
[22:43] <Guest_39> kernel 4.15
[22:46] <guiverc> 4.15 is the GA (general) kernel, most stable but will have older modules (aka drivers)..  18.04.2 & higher media use the HWE (newer & upgrading) hardware enablement stack; on a box that old I'd not expect HWE to add anything new, but you could try booting a 18.04.5 ISO if you've the bandwidth to allow download
[22:46] <Guest_39> Am I wrong or did you change the default lubuntu download this last 7 days?
[22:47] <guiverc> Is your box reliable, I'd likely do RAMTESTs, quick cap-scan & maybe check PSU is providing sufficient & reliable power to rule out hardware issues..  screen freeze is vague & provides no real clues; does SysRq keys allow you to reboot (ie. kernel is still running even if GUI is frozen)
[22:49] <Guest_39> Whan you say box you talk a bout my toaster (computer) or my internet provider box?
[22:49] <guiverc> (sysrq refers to keyboard commands that bypass shell/gui and go straight to linux kernel, search online if unaware; Alt+Sysrq and continue holding Alt down and type command, eg REISUB is very common; wikipedia page is pretty good & easily found)\
[22:50] <guiverc> yeah I use box to me hardware (laptop, desktop, server or box of any type)
[22:50] <Guest_39> k
[22:51] <Guest_39> i will need a bit of time to understand what you need but i come back
[22:51] <guiverc> the benefit of sysrq in daignosis is if it works, the box is still running correctly, it's just the GUI or user interface that is locked up.. all is good underneath as it responded to SysRq commands
[22:59] <guiverc> Guest_39, no changes execpt for daily images have been changed in last 7 days.. I missed that question from you, but there are multiple ISO choices available for download.  The alternate ISO hasn't been updated since april-2018 (18.04), but since then we've released 18.04.1, 18.04.2, 18.04.3, 18.04.4, 18.04.5 and any can be downloaded and used for install...
[23:01] <Guest_39> the sysrq works after a recovery start but don't after a standard start
[23:02] <Guest_39> it is litterally freeze and the fans are quickly increasing them speed until the motherborad shut down because of over heat
[23:03] <guiverc> sounds like you've an overheating issue.. if box gets hot enough hardware will shut it down to prevent warranty claim (OS isn't part of decision & isn't even aware of shutdown)
[23:04] <guiverc> some boxes allow you to set fans to higher level, it may also be you've a dead (or dying) fan that isn't working correctly but that can be a pain to diagnose & correct (each brand/model is different usually)
[23:06] <guiverc> to test the box I'd likely try a very different OS (another GNU/Linux is fine, but not Ubuntu based) and see if you have issues there.. if the other OS is perfect, it's an issue with Ubuntu. or 4.15 kernel etc.  You could try a later image (HWE kernel), but that's just guess (and I'd not expect different results). Sorry I can't think of anything further
[23:08] <Guest_39> i know i already pushed the toaster to the limit when it was new 8 years ago (on windows 7). I already changed the thermal paste (1years ago) of this computer and i am quite sure thet isn't a fan pb cause there was no problem to let the machine run with a fresh install of the lubuntu version i had before update. I tried also to install from minimal
[23:08] <Guest_39> CD but i had the same problem of freezing on log in
[23:11] <guiverc> the alternate ISO is for very low RAM boxes; 768MB or less and is the oldest 4.15 kernel & no updates on install. If you're having issues with a specific updated kernel, you can select prior/older installed kernels at boot time from grub (which will confirm you have issues with a specific kernel, but not rest of installed system).
[23:12] <Guest_39> I already do the manip
[23:13] <Guest_39> but after uninstalling the latest kernel, i remember a .117 (but i don't remember previous number) the pb is stil there
[23:14] <Guest_39> so i conclude the kernel wasn't the pb
[23:16] <guiverc> You don't need to uninstall; you select which kernel at grub (grub always shows for some installs, on others you press a key to make it appear).  My box would offer me 5.8.0-18 & 5.8.0-16 for my groovy install (my box is a 2009 dell) but if recently installed you may have more significant variation of choices  (inc. the kernel used during installation, unless you cleaned your system to reclaim disk space)
[23:19] <Guest_39> I proceed like this because i wanted to be able to let the computer start without smashing my echap key
[23:20] <Guest_39> so now i run on the first kernel installed but it still freeze on log in if i don't run recovery mode
[23:21] <TechPup> hello
[23:21] <Guest_39> hi
[23:21] <guiverc> Once you have worked out a solution (eg. if I decided my box liked a specific kernel, I'd `apt-mark` hold it so it wasn't cleaned/removed, and make it the default to boot.. (without uninstall)
[23:21] <TechPup> hi
[23:23] <Guest_39> to be honest i have some basics on programming but i am new into linux so i try to read all FAQ i can on my problem and try the one that looks like better
[23:24] <TechPup> hey
[23:25] <guiverc> if you box is still freezing, I'm unsure.. you've highlighted heat at least to me.  I'm not convinced its not hardware as I said earlier, but I'm ount of ideas sorry
[23:25] <guiverc> TechPup, if you have a Lubuntu Support question, please ask it. Chat belongs in #lubuntu-offtopic, and be patient as people will response when they're able
[23:26] <TechPup> sorry
[23:26] <guiverc> s/response/respond ^
[23:26] <Guest_39> the brutal way to solve my is to instal update 1 by 1 and restart between each until i find the one that make me freeze on log in but there are huge amount of updates + possible problem of dependancies. So do i go the hard way?
[23:27] <Guest_39> solve my "problem"...
[23:29] <guiverc> I've already suggested a HWE kernel install, 18.04.2 media was produced more than 6 months later than initial media; 18.04.3 produced 6 months later.. 18.04.4 etc.. they provide a means to get snapshots at specific points in time (sort of in *live* media)
[23:29] <Guest_39> ok i try this
[23:30] <guiverc> I would try using them in *live* mode, esp. if you've not got bandwidth quotes on download; http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/18.04/release/ where you can see the dates of each too
[23:31] <Guest_39> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/   Is that the good repository?
[23:31] <guiverc> it may not be the best idea; but it's about all I've got Guest_39   (s/quotes/quotas ^)
[23:31] <guiverc> it's a ubuntu.com site; so it's owned by Canonical (company behind Ubuntu) - I'd trust it
[23:33]  * guiverc adds Canonical infrastructure is what builds all Lubuntu ISOs
[23:35]  * guiverc and not just us, all Ubuntu flavors; https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[23:36] <Guest_39> I already read about that but it is fine to remind it
[23:38] <guiverc> pros & cons; it one flavor is hit by something usually all are, if a fix works on one flavor though it'll work on all usually too
[23:39] <Guest_39> Just for info the download of ubuntu have a better speed than lubuntu
[23:41] <guiverc> given they come from the same place.. maybe just luck with ubuntu & unlucky with lubuntu... I find download times vary regularly (grabbing daily images for QA testing) & all flavors & main Ubuntu are ~equal on average
[23:42] <guiverc> I generally use zsync  (which cuts out bandwidth significantly over say a wget download).. Is often faster too
[23:46] <aller1a> back
[23:56] <Guest_39> If i don't want to be a guest but a recognizable member what do i need to do? (sry for the my spanish cow english but i am french)