[00:14] <ubptgbot> Stephen Scott was added by: Stephen Scott
 @YougoChats [webapp creator is driving me nuts 😞 no matter what i set, it keeps opening this …], try with no domains set on the filter
[01:09] <ubptgbot> xStream was added by: xStream
 @zoomer296 [I will try with wget later.], wget worked.
[04:27] <ubptgbot> Luckfactorbro was added by: Luckfactorbro
 Can i compile(build) an android kernel on terminal?
 Is it possible?
 @mateosalta [try with no domains set on the filter], I tried everything in webapp creator. In the end webber got an update and started working on my phone, and just did what i wanted.
 Now i seem to have a problem with Dekko2. I am getting push notifications of new emails but dekko2 isnt fetching the mail since a day or two
 tried refreshing by pulling or swipe left the inbox item?
 Yup
 Blue circle spins for a while but finds no new email
 I have 5 accounts set up, all of them IMAP
[05:47] <jdmark> How is UBPorts installed on the PinePhone? The MicroSD card does not boot, checking the forums now
[05:49] <Maik> https://forums.ubports.com/topic/3334/pinephone-tutorial
[06:03] <jdmark> Attempting this a second time with the lastest build
 @YougoChats [Now i seem to have a problem with Dekko2. I am getting push notifications of new …], I had that yesterday morning on my home wifi only. Mobile data worked. Other wifi worked to. All fine in the evening again. Bits'nBites...
[06:11] <jdmark> phone still wont boot off of the sdcard
[06:12] <jdmark> flashed it in windows using Etcher, stable build #318
[06:19] <jdmark3> still wont boot
[06:23] <Maik> best to open a topic on the forum since no one seems to be around to help you
[06:25] <jdmark3> im taking care of it now
 @YougoChats [I have 5 accounts set up, all of them IMAP], maybe try refreshing per inbox/account? … probably one of your account causes the issue
 @Javacookies [maybe try refreshing per inbox/account? … probably one of your account causes the …], updating phone now, try that next
 hmm upon reboot, and starting Dekko, i immediately saw some of the emails that i didnt have yet, but not all, so these were downloaded already but wouldn't show before, and after refreshing other mails, both older and newer landed as well.
 it seems to have sorted itself out. keeping an eye on it though🕵🏻‍♂️
 @jdmark_ [what would be the best tablet for ubports?], jmark_, I have a Nexus 7 which works quite well, and I hear there's a BQ tablet which is well supported. … If you're willing to wait, the PineTab looks promising but I don't think it'll be "ready" for at least another few months
 I habe a BQ M10. It works great. The only problem is that you have to unlock it. While unlocking it is easy to crack the MAC ROM. So be careful. … But even with a broken MAC ROM, mine works great
 [Edit] I have a BQ M10. It works great. The only problem is that you have to unlock it. While unlocking it is easy to crack the MAC ROM. So be careful. … But even with a broken MAC ROM, mine works great
[12:15] <jdmark3> Are there any software repositories I should add?
 What do you mean?
[12:24] <jdmark3> Typically the DRM repositories are added
[12:25] <jdmark3> microsoft fonts, dvd playback, etc
[12:25] <jdmark3> the grey area stuff
 ubuntu touch isn't apt-based, so there's really no such thing. it's a lot like android - stuff comes in through the OTA, and apps come out of the store
 If we talk about ota and apt, can somebody eli5 what is stopping UT from applying updates by doing apt upgrade instead of OTA?
 [Edit] If we talk about ota and apt, can somebody eli5 what is stopping UT from applying updates by doing apt upgrade?
 @mrcyjanek [If we talk about ota and apt, can somebody eli5 what is stopping UT from applyin …], it grabs a whole or partial system image for a system update, to keep everyone's system the same and prevent breakages
 nothing stops a user from mounting his root partition as writeable and using apt - you'll likely run out of cache space very quickly, and your next OTA update will wip whatever you changed
 you get what you want from OTA's
 well apt upgrades will break due to bind mounts and no space, for one
 image based updates have many advantages. we won't be supporting apt upgrade of the system image
 @dohbee [image based updates have many advantages. we won't be supporting apt upgrade of …], I'm not against the current method of applying updates I'm just curious what have decided of that
 @rogieroudshoorn [nothing stops a user from mounting his root partition as writeable and using apt …], Yeah, that makes sense, but something like resizing image when update is being applied and then shrinking it shiuld work, right?
 @mrcyjanek [I'm not against the current method of applying updates I'm just curious what hav …], basically  "how android phones work" is what decided it, because we had to build a system on top of android phone design
 @dohbee [basically  "how android phones work" is what decided it, because we had to build …], Ok.Got it.
 @mrcyjanek [Yeah, that makes sense, but something like resizing image when update is being a …], which part of your data would you like the system to automatically delete so you can have apt upgrade? what happens if you install enough other packages that you've now filled the newly resized space? It's not stable, consistent, or supportable
[13:37] <ubptgbot> , to do things like that
 moreso, it isn't how it's designed to work - it's designed for OTA delivery.
 @dohbee [which part of your data would you like the system to automatically delete so you …], Well, on android `/system` have some space left on it and things like app updates can be applied. … I understand that design of UT differs from normal ubuntu, and that for example setting image size to 4GB on a new device doesnt mean anythig, w
[13:45] <ubptgbot> hile on older devices with 16gb storage it matters. … I'm just curious if doing updates by apt damage some internal parts of the system.
 @rogieroudshoorn [moreso, it isn't how it's designed to work - it's designed for OTA delivery.], Yeah,it doesnt answer my question. I get that we use ota,but if theres no android image update I'd like to know if doing apt upgade will worg as rootfs ota update
 @mrcyjanek [Well, on android /system have some space left on it and things like app updates …], it can break, yes
 @dohbee [it can break, yes], Okay, thanks.
 dpkg does not deal well with package contents being spread across filesystems
 @mrcyjanek [Yeah,it doesnt answer my question. I get that we use ota,but if theres no androi …], it's much easier to switch to devel channel, which'll get you daily builds if it's updates you're after
 @rogieroudshoorn [it's much easier to switch to devel channel, which'll get you daily builds if it …], Not when device doesn't have a working recovery :/
 can't you download the image from the buildserver then?
 @dohbee [dpkg does not deal well with package contents being spread across filesystems], Okay.
 and push it however you push it usually?
 @rogieroudshoorn [can't you download the image from the buildserver then?], I didnt build recovery for my device yet
 It needs work to be done by me to make it to buildserver and it needs time, and school have took all time I had so it will not happen anytine soon :/
[14:06] <ubptgbot> TikoKhach was added by: TikoKhach
 While looking for saved messages, I found this bot which reminds me of something..
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/YCAK6lec.png
 @TikoKhach [<reply to media>], Hmmm yes
[17:57] <jdmark> where the control key so i can save and close nano?
 There us a button in the Ctrl keys row
 Switch to nano
[17:58] <jdmark> there we go, thank you
[17:59] <jdmark> what the arrow keys?
[18:14] <ubptgbot> <Ankit Gupta> What kind of linux distro is supported by nexus 5
 well we only support Ubuntu Touch
 if you want to run something else on your nexus 5, you should probably go find the appropriate forums or chat groups for whatever you want to run on it, to ask if it will work on nexus 5 :)
[18:18] <ubptgbot> <Ankit Gupta> But i saw i discussed about postmark os
[18:18] <ubptgbot> <Ankit Gupta> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/7WQt0qg9.png
[18:18] <ubptgbot> <Ankit Gupta> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/b7SccmIL.png
[18:18] <ubptgbot> <Ankit Gupta> (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/0g9BCTL0.png
 ok
 but this group is about ubuntu touch
 not sure why you post those pictures
[18:31] <ubptgbot> <Ankit Gupta> What kind of stuff is discussed on ubports
 @Ankit Gupta [What kind of stuff is discussed on ubports], see the group description. this group is about Ubuntu Touch
[19:12] <jdmark> how the heck do i get out of GNU Nano selection mode?
[19:13] <jdmark> if the usb-c hub worked in ubports id connect my keyboard at this point
[19:13] <jdmark> it's taking 2-3 hours to switch openssh to key based authentication to password based authentication
 @jdmark [if the usb-c hub worked in ubports id connect my keyboard at this point], you never replied in the utonpine telegram group when i asked which version of the pinephone hardware it is
 so which one is it? and why not just put a key on, which is more secure?
[19:31] <jdmark> usb-c hub doesnt work in ubports
[19:32] <jdmark> which gui text editor should i use? im having trouble copying and pasting ffs
 Correct, regardless of hardware fixes or not the USB-C drivers still aren't in our kernel
 @UniversalSuperBox [Correct, regardless of hardware fixes or not the USB-C drivers still aren't in o …], the OTG? or Displayport not working either?
 Both
 oh :-/
 We don't tell the ANX USB-C controller what to do, so it does nothing.
 If you're just trying to copy and paste a file from the web, jdmark, could you just `wget` then copy the file?
[19:40] <ubptgbot> Sharonda Folks was added by: Sharonda Folks
[20:33] <jdmark> is there another web browser?
 no
 well, there are a couple alternate browser apps in the store, but they are also using qtwebengine
 and they do not replace the system browser
[20:38] <jdmark> how do i end selection mode in UBPorts Terminal?
[20:52] <jdmark> copy and paste is broken
 @jdmark [how do i end selection mode in UBPorts Terminal?], x in the upper right corner
[21:37] <jdmark> i found it
[21:37] <jdmark> any advice for the usb-c dongle?
 it apparently requires at least some changes to the kernel
 so i don't think you'll get OTG working with a few simple commands in terminal
 jdmark, boot postmarketos from an SD if you just want to try out the dock, or wait for ubports to get it working
[22:08] <jdmark> waiting on ubports to get it to work
[22:25] <ubptgbot> Joan Singla was added by: Joan Singla
[22:35] <jdmark> https://imgur.com/a/tAmflOx
[22:35] <jdmark> Morph Browser bug
[22:35] <jdmark> havent cleared the configs yet
 wich device?
 I'm not sure but it loos like for some reason morph is sized to that small zone. Maybe it is not a bug of morph at all🤷‍♂️
 it would be also valuable to know on which channel are you