callmepkgood morning02:55
jibelGood morning all04:45
dufluHi jibel, and pieq and callmepk 05:15
callmepkhey duflu jibel pieq 05:15
didrocksgood morning05:58
didrocksLaney: hey! can you update oem-qemu-meta so that the diff between what the oem team wants to sponsor and the reference package is smaller? For instance, on https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1888764, there is a bunch of stuff (gbp.conf and so on) which introduces noise, but also some of the things you are more appropriate than us to see if this relevant like07:09
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1888764 in OEM Priority Project "[MIR] oem-sutton.simon-baird-meta" [High,Confirmed]07:09
didrocksXB-Ubuntu-OEM-Kernel-Flavour: oem that they now add07:10
didrocksalso, they remove debian/tests/meta and such07:10
didrocksif I keep strict, I would just reject so that we have a smaller diff :p07:10
didrocksalso, even the main reference package has Public License version 2 can be found in "/usr/share/common-licenses/GPL-3".07:20
didrockssome new ones are fixed, some not07:20
didrocksquite painful :/ I wonder if a better approach would be to only have one source package, and generates all of them via a reference file at build-time07:21
didrocksthis way, no source to NEW each time, just binary NEW07:21
didrocksI guess there was a reason to not do that? (but then, have a lot of differences between packages, which was my initial fear and seems to happen)07:21
RikMillswhat is the planned gnome-shell version for groovy?07:28
didrocksRikMills: should be latest GNOME once released, so 3.3807:29
RikMillsdidrocks: thanks!07:30
RikMillsjust pondering whether to FFe the new pipewire in unstable, which would make gnome-remote-desktop need 3.3807:31
didrocksI don’t see https://bugs.launchpad.net/oem-priority/+bug/1882347 in focal though… /me puzzled07:32
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1882347 in Ubuntu Focal "[needs-packaging] [MIR] oem-stella.cmit-abra-meta" [High,In progress]07:32
RikMillsplasma developers are starting to do things that require pipewire >= 0.307:33
marcustomlinsonmorning desktoppers07:36
didrockshey marcustomlinson 07:37
marcustomlinsonhi didrocks07:37
dufluMorning didrocks, luna_, marcustomlinson, Europe07:42
dufluand UK07:42
didrockshey duflu 07:42
marcustomlinsonhey duflu07:46
didrocks(in some, also, oem just rename tests/meta and some others, they don’t)07:47
didrockshey Laney 08:05
Laneydidrocks: they have a script to generate these, I gave some "helpful" "feedback" on all of these deltas already, should be better in future when they fix that ...08:05
Laneythe test renaming is the most annoying one08:05
Laneyand unnecessary08:06
didrocksshould I reject the packages then until they fix the deltas ?08:06
didrockswhere there anything against having a single source package and generating them at build time?08:06
Laneyyes, that was discussed, pretty much everything possible was :p08:07
Laneyit means all of the packages get updated when you update any of them08:07
LaneyI'd rather they got accepted and fixed next time08:07
didrockswell, a small no-op update (we already have so many updates in term of packages) rather than hundreds of diffs everywhere08:08
didrocksI don’t think we can ensure "next time" will be better and that the diff will magically disappear08:08
Laneythanks for the help anyway08:08
LaneyI'll just do all 30 myself08:09
didrocksI think it’s still time to reevaluate and help so that we don’t have the pain on us in the future08:09
didrocksas we have possibilities for this08:09
didrockswhich is my suggestion, but if you don’t take it, *g*08:10
LaneyCome to the next meeting we have if you want to re-open all this stuff08:10
didrockshappy to08:10
LaneyI'll invite you08:10
Laneywill you help now or is it all back on me?08:11
didrocksif we go to one single source package, happy to help08:11
Laneyno then, ok, thanks08:11
didrocks*shrugh* that’s not helpful and positive discussion trying to find solution08:11
LaneyWe can change things for *future*, but these are updates that need to happen now, they represent enablements that the OEM team has done and need to get out there08:12
Laneywe can't block on finding a different solution08:12
Laneyso they have to be done, so I will do it08:13
didrocksso, let’s approve everything and not looking at the annoying diff, this is what you suggest?08:13
didrockslet’s not update the qemu meta package which reference in the same file GPL-2 AND GPL-3?08:13
didrocksI don’t even know if XB-Ubuntu-OEM-Kernel-Flavour: oem is desirable or not as the reference package doesn’t have it08:14
LaneyI'm happy to address that kind of comment if it helps you to do the review you want to do08:15
Laneybut I'm not happy to stop, chuck everything out, go back to the drawing board - I just don't think we can do it this way around08:16
didrocksI don’t want to stop, but it seems that getter things easier to deal with is even off the table with this attitude08:17
didrocksso, in the end, I warned about this situation already, it was dismissed, we are now in, and the pain is on everyone08:17
didrockswhich is why I think it’s important to at least acknowledge there is something to fix08:17
didrocksthen, we can unblock painfully those08:17
didrocksand reevaluate what to do08:18
didrocksbut certainly a "ok, thanks for the help anyway, I’ll just do all 30 myself" seems to point to not wanting getting things in a better position in the future nor wanting to ack there is a pb08:18
LaneyWe've already been working on the process so that the distro team is out of the loop of this completely, except for an AA (me) accepting the packages08:19
LaneyIt's just not quite there with the DMB having the packageset ready and stuff yet08:19
didrocksI don’t see how the pakageset ready will help avoiding differences in packages, the same issue will happen again in the MIR review with the diff anyway08:20
LaneyThey get accepted straight to main, there is no separate MIR review08:20
LaneySo, get the team uploading with a sensible diff (I have fed back already), accepting AA runs the script and accepts to main08:21
didrockswhat is blocking them regenerating sensible diff right now?08:21
didrockswe will always have diverges if from the first set of package, we already have some08:22
LaneyI guess that was probably me giving that indication that it was OK to fix for next time08:23
Laneybut we can go round again I guess, maybe that's not too bad to do08:23
Laneyit would avoid a negative diff between the two updates next time08:23
LaneyYeah that sounds sensible to me, I have asked!08:26
LaneyOK hold for a bit until we get feedback on that08:26
didrocksthanks Laney, keep me posted :)08:26
didrocksand please invite me to next meeting, happy to push for a single source package and work on automating the generation of those (and as we already have a bunch of example packages, we can have it working in the different cases like foo.bar, foo-bar-baz and such)08:27
LaneyI'm happy for you to discuss it, but the current situation is what was agreed after many MANY meetings on all this stuff before, so don't get your heart set on changing it08:29
Laneymy focus has been on getting the distro team out of it all completely except for the SRU approvals08:29
Laneywith the idea that they handle it in the way they prefer08:29
Laney*opens window* *sound of chainsaw* *closes window completely*08:30
didrocksbut we see that it’s not really scalable08:30
didrocksor at least, they should ensure the diff is small and we bindly reject otherwise08:31
Laneyyeah that's why we had that script, maybe I should have been more strict in enforcing it08:31
didrocksI think there is no incentive in updating the reference package, which we should work on (hence the idea of a single source one), but if they don’t want it, they should help us then in easing our side as well08:32
didrocksand ensure what they file is scalable08:33
LaneyI guess a couple of rejections will help with that :p08:34
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didrocksyep :)08:35
Laneywhat's the GPL-2 thing with the metapackage?08:35
Laneydon't see it, but it should be fixed, so a pointer is welcome08:38
didrocksLaney: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/490676356/oem-qemu-meta_20.04~ubuntu4_20.04~ubuntu5.diff.gz is fixed in groovy (see d/copyright), but not in focal. It seems *some* (not all) oem metapackage are generated from 20.04~ubuntu3 package in focal, and some other have it fixed, but the diff was made on focal…08:39
Laneyah, I made oem-qemu-metapackage-check use pull-lp-source so it always comes from the dev series08:40
didrocksthe diff should always be done against latest devel I think that was your intention? 08:40
didrocksunsure why some of the diff have the previous version, maybe they came before the fix, I didn’t check08:40
cpaelzerdo we ahve any video edit alternative in main - I looked at kdenlive, openshot, pitivi but none is. I could go on checking but maybe someone just knows?08:59
Laneycpaelzer: not afaik09:36
cpaelzerok, thanks09:51
KGB-2mutter tags 46f3af6 Simon McVittie upstream/3.36.6 * Upstream version 3.36.6 * https://deb.li/31UWh09:55
Laneydidrocks: Rex says they will re-generate those packages using the script, so wait for that, I will let you know when that's done10:04
Laneythanks for that bit of push back, I think it was a good idea ;-)10:04
didrocksLaney: happy to have contribued, keep me posted once we can do the rereview :)10:07
GunnarHjHi all!10:29
GunnarHjA few days ago "Ubuntu Software" became "Software Install" in groovy, but last night it seemed to be back to "Ubuntu Software". Is there a name change in pipeline? Asking since I'm about to take a look at the install part of the desktop guide.10:29
jibelI used latest groovy image installed the updates which included ubuntu-dock, after reboot, no dock10:43
jibelcan someone have a look?10:43
jibelTrevinho, ^ 10:43
Laneywas going to say, suggest pinging the uploader ;-)10:44
LaneyGunnarHj: Not that I know of10:44
jibelTrevinho, from the journal10:46
jibelsept. 11 12:42:50 mp390185 gnome-shell[1309]: JS ERROR: TypeError: method Clutter.Actor.set_allocation: At least 2 arguments required, but only 1 passed10:46
jibel                                              vfunc_allocate@/usr/share/gnome-shell/extensions/ubuntu-dock@ubuntu.com/docking.js:83:1410:46
dufluUgh, we fixed that in desktop-icons. Didn't check ubuntu-dock10:47
LaneyI assume it works with 3.37?10:53
Laneyif we're ready, I could kick out those broken extensions10:54
Laneymigrating gnome-shell/3.37.91-1ubuntu1/amd64 to testing makes gnome-shell-extension-bluetooth-quick-connect/13-1/amd64 uninstallable10:54
Laneymigrating gnome-shell/3.37.91-1ubuntu1/amd64 to testing makes gnome-shell-extension-caffeine/35-2/amd64 uninstallable10:54
Laneymigrating gnome-shell/3.37.91-1ubuntu1/amd64 to testing makes gnome-shell-extension-easyscreencast/1.1.0-2/amd64 uninstallable10:54
Laneythat will presumably make gnome-shell migrate10:54
Laneymigrating gnome-shell/3.37.91-1ubuntu1/amd64 to testing makes gnome-shell-extension-top-icons-plus/27-1/amd64 uninstallable 10:54
LaneyTrevinho: let me know !10:56
dufluInstead of looking I will try to EOW :)10:57
dufluI assume Marco has it sorted already since he mentioned ubuntu-dock and 3.3710:59
dufluSo good night...10:59
GunnarHjLaney: Good. You ought to know I suppose. Unless some equivalent to bug #1570479 happens...11:03
ubot5bug 1570479 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[UIFe][FFe] Change application Name etc to Ubuntu Software" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/157047911:03
Laneydunno, plenty happens that I don't hear about until later on :p11:03
Trevinhojibel: so, I apparently didn't backport the commit I did to support 3.36 as well in the groovy branch... I did it on purpose not to include uneeded changes there, but... Well apparently I forgot when changing the control file.12:40
Trevinhojibel: however newer shell can be unblocked now12:40
Laneyok, done, hopefully it goes in a couple of hours12:45
TrevinhoLaney: so yeah... I didn't see the question sorry.. Those can be kicked out12:46
LaneyTrevinho: there's a new gjs to sync13:07
Trevinhooh good, yeah... that's green.13:07
LaneyI didn't block the packages and they migrated straight back in, in front of gnome-shell14:23
* Laney sucks14:23
hellsworthgood morning desktopers14:48
didrocks999hey hellsworth 14:50
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth14:54
hellsworthhi folks!14:55
waveformhellsworth, figured out the login mystery on the pi4; sent an e-mail with the solution!15:05
hellsworthhey i saw that thank you! about to try it actually15:09
hellsworthwaveform: i can ssh to the pi4 now! Thanks :)15:14
Laneyshell 3.37 is going to go in now15:45
Laneyfor your dist-upgrade enjoyment15:45
LaneyTrevinho: 15:45
luna_gnome ?15:46
TrevinhoLaney: lovely! 15:59
Trevinho... and jibel new bugs! 😊15:59
jibelI'll assume it's well tested and bug free :P16:20
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon signed tags 767dc23 Iain Lane ubuntu/3.37.92-1ubuntu1 * gnome-settings-daemon Debian release 3.37.92-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/S7tV16:38
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master b3f73c7 Iain Lane * pushed 65 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/3b1Ag16:38
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master faedcdd Aurimas Černius po/lt.po * Updated Lithuanian translation * https://deb.li/3gCfN16:38
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master 3569ddd Jordi Mas i Hernandez po/ca.po * Update Catalan translation * https://deb.li/ix5ix16:38
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master 21014d5 Goran Vidović po/hr.po * Update Croatian translation * https://deb.li/k7Z216:39
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master 58da95b Thibault Martin po/fr.po * Update French translation * https://deb.li/3W1oC16:39
KGB-0gnome-settings-daemon ubuntu/master 0c3875f Fran Dieguez po/gl.po * Update Galician translation * https://deb.li/eCqh16:39
KGB-0glib pristine-tar cbfa0bf Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.66.0.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.66.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.66.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/3V18h17:09
KGB-0glib upstream/latest a715f47 Simon McVittie * pushed 17 commits * https://deb.li/DY4n17:09
KGB-0glib tags 9092bb7 Simon McVittie upstream/2.66.0 * Upstream version 2.66.0 * https://deb.li/3L3q717:09
KGB-0orca tags e04f148 Samuel Thibault upstream/3.38.0 * Upstream version 3.38.0 * https://deb.li/LCeg17:17

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