[00:43] <bray90820> In nautilus whenever I try to connect to my samba server and I type in smb:// the text turns red and I can't connect
[00:46] <bray90820> Sorry that was not suppose to be emojis
[00:46] <bray90820> "smb://"
[00:59] <magic_ninja> anyone know where I can find the usbhid kernel module parameters
[01:46] <nikolam> I think that bottom-left icon inside Mozilla Thunderbird application, somehow gets "stucked" in "offline mode", after switching from offline to online mode for Thunderbird. (I am using thunderbird & over ssh -X session )
[01:57] <tomreyn> magic_ninja: for every kernel module, you can run: modinfo -p MODULENAME
[02:30] <always_expressin> hey everyone
[02:30] <always_expressin> i want to get ubuntu on my system
[02:30] <always_expressin> but i'm scared i'll lose access to my files on windows
[02:30] <always_expressin> what should I do?
[02:31] <truexfan81> put ubuntu on a seperate drive
[02:31] <rjwiii>  Or use Virtual Box ...
[02:32] <always_expressin> wdym by drive
[02:32] <always_expressin> and what is a virtual box
[02:32] <always_expressin> are you talking about oracle's virtual box
[02:33] <always_expressin> how will that help me get ubuntu
[02:33] <always_expressin> im a noob btw
[02:33] <truexfan81> by drive i mean you have windows on one hard drive or ssd, and linux on another one, this way they don't mess with each other
[02:35] <always_expressin> is there a way to see your drives
[02:35] <always_expressin> on windows
[02:35] <rjwiii> always_expressin: yes ... oracle ... it's like a virtual computer ... you load Ubuntu on the virtual computer ... save as can be ...
[02:36] <rjwiii> always_expressin: yes ... you can mount your windows drives in the virtual machine ... will even let you drag & drop between them ...
[02:37] <rjwiii> always_expressin: Just don't forget to load the extensions on both vbox & the guest OS ...
[02:38] <rjwiii> always_expressin: search youtube for videos ...
[02:52] <Bashing-om> !dualboot | always_expressin
[02:53] <always_expressin> ubottu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5QyjHIYwTQ&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=It%27sFOSS-LinuxBlog
[02:53] <always_expressin> is this good
[02:54] <always_expressin> bashing-om
[02:55] <Bashing-om> always_expressin: Can not say about Youtube ^ as I have no audio on this work station.
[04:02] <magic_ninja> @tomreyn, thanks a lot
[04:04] <magic_ninja> What I'm looking at is a USB receiver. Particularly the Logitech Unifying receiver. I'm trying to see how the kernel sees this kind of device. I see the receiver, and the attached keyboard and mouse.
[04:30] <b100s> hi2all; sorry for asking it once more; just in case, does anyone know how to get a version of software inside a ubuntu package since package version and soft version my differ?
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> magic_ninja: journalctl -f and plug out/back in your device to see
[04:57] <guiverc> b100s, apt, dpkg & package tools work with package versions.. the package version is set by the packager (builder of the package).  tools can peek inside, but they'll only provide what packager put there.  packagers can choose whichever standard they like to an extent (to get it into a Ubuntu repos the versioning will need to make sense), but what you're asking is a link between two very different things
[05:01] <b100s> guiverc, thank you! Do you think it is a reasonable thing to check before install package?
[05:03] <guiverc> probably obvious, but package maintainers do try & have package version make sense.. as much as is possible (they have to comply with distro release systems too!). If you want to know, use cli tools to query package to packages.ubuntu.com; you'll find links to changelogs & a ton of other info
[05:04] <guiverc> me, I don't see the need to check; but your reasons may differ to mine
[05:05]  * guiverc clarifies, I was answering for my own needs, if working in corporate/enterprise environment I follow policies which are usually stricter and my answer would likely be different\
[05:08] <daregap> Hey, so I just updated ubuntu manually via terminal by using "apt update" and "apt upgrade". I noticed that during the latter command it built initramfs image 3 times. Is this planned this way? Shouldn't the update-initramfs only run once at the end of the update process?
[05:08] <b100s> guiverc, what I want to say is - we install a package not because of package but because of a software in it. In most cases we do not care about version, so lates one is ok. In some cases we need some specific version. What would you recommend in such case?
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> daregap: initram will go over all your kernel list, ubuntu has now auto kernel cleanup built-in from time to time
[05:11] <lotuspsychje> daregap: sudo apt autoremove to cleanup manually
[05:13] <guiverc> b100s, I'll provide https://askubuntu.com/questions/92019/how-to-install-specific-ubuntu-packages-with-exact-version (didn't find exactly what I wanted sorry), their are pros & cons to using specific version (security etc) so I'll suggest doing your homework before using older packages (will backported-security-fixes not being included in it be an issue for your organization etc)
[05:13] <guiverc> s/their/there etc sorry for typos
[05:14] <b100s> guiverc, the link which you gave to me is about package version, not software version packaged into package. Isn't it?
[05:16] <guiverc> yep.. couldn't find anything that matched what you are asking for... but package tools work on package versions.. if you want specific software version, i believe you'll have to find the package that contains it yourself as not all packages use the same versioning standard
[05:16]  * guiverc is giving my own opinion 
[05:19] <b100s> guiverc, yes, that is exactly the essence of my question : ) I.e. how to find a package version which matches a software version packaged in it?
[05:24] <guiverc> I've given all I can offer, ie. packages.ubuntu.com/changelog or like tools as what comes to mind
[05:33] <magic_ninja> @lotuspsychje, thank you. I have xhci_hcd, which seems to be the mobo's usb3 controller
[05:34] <magic_ninja> I see hidev0 and hidraw0 which both seem to be a stream
[05:36] <magic_ninja> guiverc, the package version IS the software version.
[05:37] <b100s> magic_ninja, not always the package version matches a software version packaged in it
[05:39] <guiverc> magic_ninja, where possible yes it is, but it's not always the case, and I'd thus not trust/rely on it
[05:40] <magic_ninja> b100s, that's what I'm saying.
[05:40] <magic_ninja> guiverc, do you have an example of where that isnt' the case?
[05:41] <guiverc> no; it is for maybe 95+% of packages, but due to a few odd ones, even if only short-term out-of-sync, it's not a rule I'd like to rely on  (my opinion from experience)
[05:41] <magic_ninja> maybe if you are on a development branch of the OS, you could have conflicts, yes
[05:42] <magic_ninja> Even in that case though, the package version is the version of the software. I've never seen a case where you can have version x.y of software and a package version of w.z
[05:44] <magic_ninja> there must be some miscommunication there
[05:46] <javi404> how can I adjust my underscan/overscan ?
[05:46] <javi404> need to fine tune it for cheap hdmi displays
[05:46] <javi404> 20.04.1
[05:46] <javi404> waylan
[05:46] <javi404> wayland
[05:46] <javi404> there has to be some tools
[05:53] <Maik> afaik 20.04.1 still uses xorg by default, there's a reason for it :)
[05:58] <b100s> magic_ninja, what about the 4.3.1-2build1 package? What screen it has inside?
[06:02] <magic_ninja> that's just a number
[06:02] <magic_ninja> what is the actual package name?
[06:06] <magic_ninja> for instance, here is a url to the screen package in focal (i'm assuming that is the one you wanted) : https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/screen
[06:06] <magic_ninja> You can see all the package info and the included files on that link
[06:07] <magic_ninja> If you look here, you will see that the latest release of GNU Screen is 4.8.0, just as the package: https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/screen
[06:51] <aderchox> why don't we give the execute permission to anyone (not even the web server) when setting the permission for a web project's root directory ?
[07:07] <pamperedmenial> Hello, I am trying to get my Kubuntu 19.04 back to it's original software repositories, as it cannot download packages, no matter if I try Polish or global sources in Muon package manager
[07:09] <pamperedmenial> Can I somehow easily revert it back to the original repos?
[07:11] <lotuspsychje> pamperedmenial: 19.04 is end of life, please install a supported ubuntu version from the repos
[07:12] <EriC^^> !eolupgrade | pamperedmenial
[07:17] <pamperedmenial> lotuspsychje , ubottu, thank you
[07:17] <lotuspsychje> pamperedmenial: we advice upgrading ubuntu releases, before they go eol, as they can brake/and or bring security issues along, see !usn
[07:26] <pamperedmenial> I am looking at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases and trying to decide which distribution (version) would be the most appropriate for me, which would be the most popular choice as of today?
[07:28] <ThinkT510> pamperedmenial: an LTS release is usually a good choice if you don't want to worry about upgrading releases every 9 months.
[07:28] <pamperedmenial> ok I see on the kubuntu page it's 20.04.1 - can I just upgrade my outdated 19.04 to it?
[07:29] <ThinkT510> pamperedmenial: no, see what EriC^^ posted. You'd need to go sequencially 19.04 -> 19.10 -> 20.04
[07:29] <ThinkT510> pamperedmenial: better to just install fresh
[07:31] <pamperedmenial> Thanks ThinkT510
[07:38] <pamperedmenial> And thx EriC^^ downloading Kubuntu 20.04.1 ISO have a good day guys
[07:39] <mra90> I try to read a memory area of a PCI device which I obtained from lspci -vvv using dd and here supprise dd says bad address!
[07:40] <apw> mra90, you are supprised the kernel doesn't want you to read out device memory?  i am not supprised
[07:41] <mra90> it doesn't say permission denied
[07:41] <mra90> it says bad address
[07:41] <mra90> like out of range right?
[07:41] <mra90> I have verified if kernel was compiled with the option allowing for read in /dev/mem
[07:41] <mra90> and yes it was
[07:41] <apw> if dd is using mmap, i would expect memory related errors
[07:41] <apw> normally memory in /dev/mem is not readable if it is in use by a device
[07:42] <apw> but you may have also missed, is /dev/mem not in kernel virtual addresses, so you need to account for that to use physical addresses
[07:43] <mra90> the same method works on other platforms
[07:43] <apw> other platforms in terms of the same or different architectures
[07:44] <mra90> same architecture but differnet CPUs
[07:44] <mra90> like intel apollo lake it was working
[07:44] <mra90> but on WHL it is not
[07:44] <mra90> looks like plpci is laying to me? :|
[07:44] <mra90> lspci*
[07:45] <apw> well i would confirm that device is not binding to something; pretty sure it is not any longer permitted to read from a device which is bound
[07:45] <apw> as that tends to lead to exploding bound drivers
[07:46] <mra90> apw,: as I said in that case it would say ::permission denied" rather
[07:46] <apw> you sure about that?
[07:46] <mra90> I have noticed that the address is indeed strange
[07:47] <mra90> I mean its two digits longer than in the case of other platforms
[07:47] <apw> dd might be using mmap, and if so, errors are different
[07:49] <mra90> apw, /dev/mem is physical memory
[07:51] <apw> /* Can we access it for direct reading/writing? Must be RAM: */
[07:51] <apw> it actually is limited to the end of ram ...
[07:52] <apw> so if the device is mapped after the end of memory it might nto be accessible
[07:52] <apw> using /dev/mem
[07:52] <mra90> so what should I use instead?
[07:53] <apw> and it would indeed return EFAULT which is 'Bad Address' in human
[07:54] <mra90> where have you seen/confirmed thhat?
[07:57] <mra90> apw, do you happen to know where might be that pci device listed?
[07:57] <mra90> so maybe instead of reading /dev/mem I could read that device file
[07:58] <apw> mra90, in the source for /dev/mem driver.  it uses valid_phys_addr_range whcih bounds the drop by the address of high_memory
[07:59] <mra90> apw, ok good finding
[08:00] <mra90> how about readding that device meory directly from its memory?
[08:03] <apw> and just confirmed that is set at the end of the last memory region listed as memory in the e820
[08:05] <mra90> apw, sorry e820?
[08:05] <apw> i am not sure if that implies your e820 is sad, or if the limit needs to be the higher of memory and device mappings; but it is not that currently
[08:06] <apw> the preceived wisdom on a quick google is you are doing what people think will work; but the layout you have is either just never going to work with /dev/mem as programmed (ie it is buggy) or your e820 is buggy
[08:06] <apw> i don't have enough information to know which
[08:07] <mra90> apw, ok so I ma going back to me previous question now
[08:07] <mra90> if not /dev/mem then what should i use to read that device memory?
[08:08] <apw> i am not aware of any other way to read it, you may be stuck
[08:09] <mra90> apw, how can that be this device must be enumerated somewhere
[08:09] <mra90> after all lspci lists its memory
[08:09] <apw> i am sure it is enumerated at the location listed in lspci
[08:10] <apw> and that /dev/mem is defined to give you ram, which it isn't listed as
[08:10] <mra90> there is sth wrong here look
[08:10] <apw> so you can't get to it with taht interface
[08:10] <mra90> This device has some shared memory with the host\
[08:10] <mra90> called host memory window
[08:10] <mra90> and we put there traces like logs
[08:11] <apw> i am sure it does, and i am sure it is mapped into iomem
[08:11] <mra90> and host is able to read that! I can read these logs
[08:11] <apw> and in the other platforms you have it happens to be mapped lower than the end of ram so it happens to work
[08:11] <mra90> that might be
[08:11] <apw> and in this new platform it is mapped beyond the nominal end of ram, and is not accessible via /dev/mem
[08:11] <mra90> but still kernel knows how to talk with this memory
[08:12] <apw> yes, it does i am sure
[08:12] <apw> and that doesn't tell you anything about whether you can get to it from userspac
[08:12] <apw> without a device driver for it
[08:12] <mra90> okay I will try to play with kernel then
[08:12] <mra90> to maybe expose that memory into user spacee
[08:13] <mra90> what do you think?
[08:15] <apw> there are likely other options to start trying first; like if this is an efi platform
[08:15] <apw> you can ask it to include the efi memmap ... which can be longer than the e820 (bios form of the memmap) can represent
[08:16] <mra90> apww, any idea how to ask?
[08:16] <apw> add_efi_memmap kernel command line parameter does that
[08:17] <mra90> apw, sure I can try
[08:17] <mra90> howw to get to kernel command line?
[08:17] <apw> normally that is in the control of your bootloader
[08:17] <apw> likely grub2 if you are on efi
[08:18] <apw> i think you mash F1 or escape to get that to pop a meny
[08:18] <apw> menu
[08:19] <mra90> apw, I try to cat what parameters it does have at the moment
[08:19] <mra90> by cat /proc/cmdline
[08:19] <mra90> should it reveal the current size of /dev/mem?
[08:19] <apw> nope
[08:20] <mra90> ok I will try to get into that cmdline now
[08:21] <apw> i suspect it won't help; i syspec to use /dev/mem you'd need to fix its range check
[08:21] <apw> which would be fun in the extreme
[08:22] <mra90> apw, should I run dd_efi_memmap from grub?
[08:22] <mra90> add_efi_memmap*
[08:22] <mra90> because it says "can't find command"
[08:23] <apw> mra90, no it is a kernel command line parmeter, needs adding to the kernel commandline bit of the boot record
[08:24] <mra90> apw, hmm I dunno how to get there
[08:24] <mra90> I rebooted and get into grub cmd
[08:24] <apw> that is well documented on the internets
[08:26] <mra90> I thought so but it doesn't appear to be the case
[08:26] <mra90> they say how to obtain kernel params
[08:26] <mra90> but not how to enter its cmdline
[08:30] <apw> normally you get the menu up with some mashing of keys, from the menu you select the entry you want to boot, and hit e to change it; and add the parameter in the kernel line
[08:43] <doev> hi
[08:53] <sine0> stupid question.. cli, how can i tell if im 64 or 32
[08:55] <doev> ... hat sich erledigt.
[08:55] <Maik> sine0: lscpu
[08:55] <doev> oh, sorry wrong channel
[08:56] <Maik> doev: sure, no problem
[08:57] <sine0> thanks Maik
[08:57] <doev> sine0: uname -a
[08:57] <sine0> thanks
[08:57] <sine0> found it
[08:58] <doev> sine0: your question is not clear. Do you mean your CPU or OS?
[08:58] <Maik> doev: sine0 already found it
[08:58] <Maik> sine0: yw
[09:00] <doev> ok
[09:10] <mra90> apw, thanks for the dicussion, I will let you know what I managed to achieve
[09:23] <gebbione> what should i look for to establish why nautilus (folder) has crashed
[09:44] <EriC^> gebbione: you might find info in /var/log/syslog
[09:46] <oft_gegong> !windows
[09:50] <oft_gegong> !ubuntu-for-windows
[09:50] <oft_gegong> !ubuntu for windows
[09:50] <oft_gegong> !ubuntu4windows
[09:50] <oft_gegong> !ubuntuforwindows
[09:52] <lotuspsychje> !msgthebot > oft_gegong
[10:02] <mra90> apw, I have exported that memory and it works!
[10:02] <mra90> :D
[10:15] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[10:15] <luna_> hi
[10:37] <dongs> hi
[10:38] <b100s> magic_ninja, I see. When I run `dpkg -l | grep -i screen` I see the: "ii screen 4.3.1-2build1 amd64". However the `screen -v` gives: "Screen version 4.03.01 (GNU) 28-Jun-15". I'm on 16.04. Let me try to find a link this package
[10:39] <dongs> I've added >> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="vga=normal nofb nomodeset video=vesafb:off i915.modeset=0" << to /etc/default/grub, i=ve ran grub-update, and cat /proc/cmdline confirms those lines were added to boot. Yet machine still boots into framebuffer console with unreadable text. WhAT Do.
[10:40] <b100s> magic_ninja, here we are https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/screen , it's
[10:41] <b100s> it seems to have different package version and software version, or am I wrong?
[10:47] <EriC^^> b100s: same here, also 16.04
[10:57] <gebbione> where are fonts installed in ubuntu? the UX installer fails when i press install
[10:57] <kajetan> Hi, I'm experiencing an annoying issue on Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS. Basically when the screen is still, like when you are looking at a text editor or something "static" I can easly spot kind of wave noise in the background, like the one you can see when the monitor is not synced. As soon I move the mouse, it stops and starts again after few seconds.
[10:58] <kajetan> I'm on a laptop, LCD screen then. Refresh is set to 60Hz and is the same suggested by xrandr. Any idea?
[10:58] <gebbione> is /usr/local/share/fonts a good place to put the files?
[11:33] <Taggnostr2> guiverc, jeremy31, lotuspsychje: thanks for helping me the other day, I now successfully upgraded from 19.04 to 20.04
[11:55] <kajetan> is someone experiencing a similar issue or is it a know issue that I missed, maybe?
[12:13] <lotuspsychje> kajetan: wave noise, as in screen flickering?
[12:13] <summonner> kajetan, I had exactly the same. I reverted to 18 and it went away
[12:15] <summonner> lotuspsychje, it's like a random snow effect but flicking in and out. any time you add more windows, at least for me, the effect would compound until the screen was unreadable. switching to tty2 and back again temporarily reduced the snow
[12:16] <lotuspsychje> summonner: wich graphics was that?
[12:17] <summonner> Nvidia 360M
[12:29] <kajetan> lotuspsychje: sort of flickering, yes. looks like when a camera capture an old CRT screen
[12:30] <lotuspsychje> kajetan: wich brand of computer?
[12:31] <kajetan> Dell, but the (in)famous adaptive backlight thing is disabled in BIOS
[12:31] <kajetan> and in Windows I do not have this issue
[12:31] <kajetan> the laptop has an Intel and an NVidia but I disabled the NVidia
[12:33] <lotuspsychje> kajetan: makes me think of an earlier clevo bug i had with a realtek/ intel bug, booting into desktop also made the screen flicker, i had to temp fix with a kernel param
[12:37] <kajetan> lotuspsychje: it is really annoying, especially when working in dark; changing backlight does not changes the results - I read about the backlight PWM and tried to tune it does not works as well
[12:38] <lotuspsychje> kajetan: bug #1838644 and answer #28 fixed it temp for my case, not sure this is your situation
[12:44] <kajetan> lotuspsychje: I'll give it a try on next reboot; however this is changing c-state for the whole machine, I guess
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> kajetan: yeah, the parameter is not ideal, a temp workaround, still i had to use this a certain time on my brand
[12:45] <lotuspsychje> kajetan: worth a try testing purpose
[12:46] <kajetan> lotuspsychje: yeah, don't think it is going to be harmful
[13:38] <magic_ninja> it could be a typo. There doesn't seem to be a release with that version: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git
[14:11] <dongs> why is it impossible to blacklist ptrfs and i915 modules
[14:11] <dongs> i dont need them
[14:14] <EriC^^> dongs: something else is probably using them if you're blacklisting then they keep appearing
[14:15] <dongs> how can i see what.
[14:16] <hggdh> dongs: lsmod | grep -E "(i915|ptrfs)"
[14:17] <dongs> (it was btrfs) yeah, i know, the moduels are there but they're NOT in use
[14:17] <dongs> i915 in particular.
[14:18] <dongs> i915                 1986560  0 < not used, and a bunch of other drm/etc related stuff is loaded but once I unload 915 its also all becomes unused.
[14:26] <jelly> how much space does a full ubuntu mirror take?
[14:27] <jpds> jelly: Loads: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[14:37] <jeremy31> dongs: I think the 0 means there aren't any modules that depend on ot
[14:37] <dongs> no, that means its currently not in use.
[14:37] <dongs> which means I can unload it.
[14:37] <dongs> which puzzles me why its loaded in teh first place.
[14:38] <dongs> i did run update-initramfs -u which is supposedly a prerequisite for this but i915 still loads.
[14:38] <jeremy31> Check others in lsmod results
[14:39] <jeremy31> dongs: Intel video?  Or is i915 in /etc/modules
[14:39] <dongs>  /etc/modules is blank.
[14:40] <dongs> i915 is in blacklist.conf.
[14:40] <jelly> jpds, that page seems to have numbers from 2017, which might be a bit out of date
[14:42] <minall> Hello Ubuntu Community!, is the SSL certificate for the Ubuntu download expired?, or is it me?
[14:42] <apw> minall, you'd need to indicate the url you are referring to
[14:42] <oerheks> minall, cdimage site?
[14:44] <minall> https://mirror.espoch.edu.ec/ubuntu-releases/20.04.1/ubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso, one of my nearest mirror sites the page takes me when I press the 'download Ubuntu' buttom
[14:45] <oerheks> Expires On	Thursday, July 2, 2020 at 6:07:17 AM ...
[14:46] <oerheks> it is an EDU mirror, contact the administrator?
[14:46] <oerheks> we do control https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ ..
[14:47] <oerheks> i think due to corona, such certificates are not renewed, no personel active?
[14:47] <minall> Maybe...
[14:52] <jpds> jelly: Probably uses more now
[14:52] <jelly> yes.  Which is why I asked.
[14:54] <atralheaven> I ran "find . -type f -exec rm {} \;" in a wrong directory, it took few seconds, and then asked me if I want to delete a write-protected file. my question is: has rm removed everything until that file before asking me about removing it, or it first checks all files and asks about permission stuff and then starts removing?
[14:55] <geirha> atralheaven: it has likely deleted lots of files
[14:56] <atralheaven> there are a lot of files there and I can't tell if some of them are deleted, but I can see that not all files are removed
[14:56] <atralheaven> ...
[14:56] <geirha> if you were lucky, the write-protected file was the first file that matched the filter
[14:56] <atralheaven> that was my home directory...
[14:57] <geirha> but any files it found before that, and passed to that rm, would be silently deleted
[14:58] <gildarts> Hope you have a backup.
[14:58] <atralheaven> I have a backup from about 40 days ago
[14:58] <gildarts> RIP
[14:59] <lotuspsychje> photorec to the data rescue
[14:59] <geirha> it'll be hard to predict what files it managed to delete as find iterates the files in arbitrary order; it doesn't sort like ls and shell globs do
[15:00] <atralheaven> lotuspsychje: does photorec recover files with their parent directory structure?
[15:01] <geirha> but it will do breadth first by default. So if the write-protected file was in the current directory, it hasn't removed any files in other directories
[15:01] <EriC^^> no atralheaven , but testdisk can possibly show you the deleted files and structure, although it might not be able to get them back
[15:02] <EriC^^> if the files are important to you, you better stop using the filesystem and boot a live usb and do your work on getting them back from there
[15:03] <atralheaven> geirha: well, I ran the command in ~/ and the write-protected file was ./.ssh/id_rsa
[15:03] <geirha> then it must've removed all regular files in ~/ first
[15:04] <atralheaven> but there ar emany files that are still there
[15:05] <atralheaven> how can I compare the structure of two directories (all their subdirs and files) ?
[15:06] <atralheaven> tree and then diff? or is there a better way
[15:06] <geirha> Hm. ok, I see the order isn't quite as I assmued
[15:06] <geirha> diffing the outputs of tree would give a good indication, yes
[15:08] <atralheaven> I did a "cp -R --attributes-only . dirs/" before running find and rm, so I have a copy of all dirs and files (but without their contents)
[15:08] <atralheaven> but the copy iteself might be affected by find rm
[15:09] <atralheaven> oh I can check the size of home dir
[15:09] <atralheaven> I've lost about 2g of 14g, could be worse
[15:10] <atralheaven> thank you all
[15:28] <fayti1703> I need some help crossgrading a laptop with 18.04 from i386/i686 to amd64 -- basic bootup from a 64-bit kernel (used 4.15.0-112-generic) into `emergency.target` works fine, but once `udevadm` tries to `trigger --action=add` `LNXVIDEO:00` as part of the `systemd-udev-trigger.service`, the system reboots without warning. Did some `netconsole`ing already, kernel log around that isn't helping much.
[15:31] <oerheks> fayti1703, never got that working, i386 to amd64 .. reinstall is the best option
[16:23] <kenperkins> lotuspsychje: was it you who helped me with kernal module for amdgpu on my ryzen7 laptop?
[16:31] <kenperkins> I'm trying to figure out if my gpu drivers are loaded or not, and I don't think they are
[16:31] <kenperkins> https://termbin.com/ktpv
[16:31] <oerheks> did you install headers before installing?
[16:32] <oerheks> sudo apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r)
[16:32] <tomreyn> "UNCLAIMED" suggests no driver supporting this hardware is loaded.
[16:33] <tomreyn> you wouldn't need headers to use amdgpu, though
[16:33] <kenperkins> says the headers are already at the correct version
[16:34] <kenperkins> oerheks: the gpu is built into the cpu, so in that regard, I just installed the OS
[16:35] <tomreyn> is this a fresh default installation? or have modification sbeen made? which? installation of what exactly?
[16:35] <tomreyn> !details
[16:36] <kenperkins> fresh default installation, 20.04.1
[16:36] <kenperkins> amd 4700u renoir cpu/gpu
[16:36] <tomreyn> do you get any graphical output?
[16:38] <kenperkins> yea, it's a laptop
[16:38] <oerheks> this test is using kernel 5.7 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-7-4700U-Daily-Driver
[16:38] <tomreyn> so you have a graphical desktop, but not accelerated.
[16:39] <oerheks> next groovy gives 5.8 ??
[16:39] <kenperkins> @tomreyn that's what I'm speculating/wondering
[16:39] <oerheks> too new hardware, i guess
[16:40] <tomreyn> i think we went over this some days ago
[16:40] <kenperkins> yea someone helped me with an amdgpu kernel module, but I don't remember who
[16:40] <tomreyn> what's your goal now?
[16:40] <kenperkins> I had to reinstall, so I need to figure out how to re-do that, to see if it makes it accelerated
[16:41] <tomreyn> the /topic points to channel logs
[16:41] <tomreyn> you can just re-read them
[16:42] <kenperkins> none of the topic links seem to have logs?
[16:42] <tomreyn> !irclogs | kenperkins
[16:44] <kenperkins> @tomreyn perfect found them, thanks!
[16:44] <tomreyn> i think i had suggested "oibaf" ppa, alternatively the groovy kernel via linux-generic-hwe.20.04-edge from focal-proposed
[16:45] <tomreyn> alternatively mainline kernel using (unsupported) https://github.com/pimlie/ubuntu-mainline-kernel.sh
[16:45] <Smultz> hi there, quick question - when adding a new hdd as a data drive, is it better to use a primary or extended partition, or doesn't it matter?
[16:46] <kenperkins> ok rebooting after testing the kernel module
[16:46] <tomreyn> Smultz: personally, i'd want to use gpt partition tables nowadays instead of dos/mbr ones, which you are referring to.
[16:46] <tomreyn> Smultz: if you'd need to use mbr/dos, though, i'd say "it doesn't really matter".
[16:47] <oerheks> extended is what you need if you want more than 4 partitions om MBR, GPT has no issue there.
[16:47] <Smultz> fair enough - just gonna have the drive acting as a data slave, so special partitions required
[16:50] <tomreyn> you could even use the raw disk without partition table
[16:51] <kenperkins> OK I think this means I have a driver now installed? https://termbin.com/qofw
[16:51] <oerheks> yes.
[17:02] <kenperkins> so the only game I have installed is minecraft, but it's getting ~110+ fps so that must mean it's not software
[17:04] <tomreyn> hmm, that's not exactly much
[17:04] <tomreyn> i'd test with glxgears first, though
[17:04] <kenperkins> ok, I'll do that
[17:05] <gebbione> any idea what is going on here ? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3NJG66ggVS/
[17:06] <kenperkins> tomreyn: and how to tell for sure? it's ~60fps with glxgears
[17:06] <kenperkins> I have a second duplicate laptop, I'll test it without the amdgpu kernel module
[17:07] <tomreyn> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/tkssD3gRd8/
[17:09] <tomreyn> kenperkins: see above for a test on 18.04 LTS with a (dedicated) AMD RX 580
[17:09] <oerheks> gebbione, is your hdd mounted RO ?
[17:09] <kenperkins> perfect; mine says `accelerated: yes` so I'm sure that's good
[17:09] <gebbione> i no
[17:09] <gebbione> no
[17:09] <gebbione> it looks like it is a problem somewhere with snap while installing gimp
[17:09] <tomreyn> kenperkins: first run is with framerate synchronization to the monitor, which is what i think you were doing, and then without.
[17:10] <kenperkins> ah, command line flag?
[17:10] <gebbione> i m trying to follow what is written here https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/gimp-broken/17958/3
[17:10] <kenperkins> @tomreyn there's no obvious flag for disabling sync
[17:10] <tomreyn> kenperkins: environment option. you could set it globally, but normally you only want to lift the synchronization for single applications, i.e. games or other 3d heavy stuff.
[17:11] <kenperkins> ah, I didn't realize that's how you do it
[17:11] <oerheks> gebbione, "snap-discard-ns fixed it" ?
[17:12] <kenperkins> yea, 2000 fps
[17:12] <kenperkins> with vsync off
[17:12] <gebbione> oerheks, kinda ... at least i was able to remove it. I need to install it again and see if i can use printers from it. I was not able to give it permissions to use printers
[17:15] <oerheks> gebbione, indeed, the snap version cannot connect to printers. ( just tested)
[17:15] <oerheks> reinstall with the --classic option might fix this
[17:16] <oerheks> there is no 'permissions' tab in softwarecenter> installed > gimp > permissions
[17:16] <gebbione> i reinstalled with snap and now after editing the printing permissions (there is a permission button next to the installation screen in ubuntu software when selected) it works
[17:17] <oerheks> ah oke, in 20.04?
[17:17] <gebbione> 18.04
[17:18] <oerheks> oh, i have 2 versions now, 2.10 and 2.28 ..
[17:18] <oerheks> gebbione, yes, i see it too.
[17:19] <oerheks> it is a nasty hidden feature :-(
[17:21] <kenperkins> ok, so on laptop 2, without amdgpu kernel module, I get errors using glxgears or glxinfo: https://termbin.com/pw1q
[17:25] <tomreyn> what is laptop 2 running, does it have X running on X window :1?
[17:26] <kenperkins> they are identical configuration hardware identical installation 20.04.1 installs
[17:26] <kenperkins> only difference  (atm) is one has the amdgpu kernel module
[17:26] <kenperkins> yep, and laptop without amdgpu gets 5fps in minecraft
[17:27] <tomreyn> so software rendering is slower than hardware rendering. doh.
[17:28] <kenperkins> yea, but I'm confirming that was indeed the issue since i have identical devices
[17:31] <kenperkins> excellent, thank you so much @tomreyn @oerheks
[17:31] <kenperkins> ok, next problem, hardware/software brightness controls for the display don't work
[17:36] <spectrezh> I have had a ubuntu server for a while running docker with unifi-controller. recently I updated it and now I can not connect to my unifi controller WebGUI at all. UFW is turned off.. logs show docker seems running.. ANyone knows what changed last months with ubuntu to brake this? I even tried a completly new VM from scratch with same problem.
[17:40] <kenperkins> this is similar, but not exactly right
[17:40] <kenperkins> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lxqt-config/+bug/1829641
[17:58] <kenperkins> def looks like there's a bug in the acer_wmi module
[18:13] <kenperkins> maybe not, but this one is exact I think https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1881462
[18:27] <kenperkins> genius! the 5.8.9 kernel fixed that issue
[19:07] <tatertotz> spectrezh: the Unifi controller is sensitive to java versions, it also has logs ...
[19:08] <tatertotz> spectrezh: with that having been said, be careful "updating"
[19:08] <tatertotz> spectrezh: if you get a java update version Unifi doesn't like...you're hosed
[19:08] <spectrezh> thanks I solved it
[19:08] <spectrezh> ty!
[19:08] <Kow> Are there any music players for Linux with full library support that do not suck? (music players that suck: Clementine, Rhythmbox, Banshee, Amarok, VLC - terrible library support)?
[19:08] <kenperkins> not sure that's ubuntu related @tatertotz @spectrezh but I've been running unifi via docker for 2 years, no major issues
[19:09] <Kow> Clementine is super buggy - specifically with it's library features. Banshee hasn't been maintained for darn near 10 years. Rhythmbox is too limited like vlc. amarok is pretty much dead
[19:10] <Kow> I am not installing Kodi just to play music
[19:10] <Kow> Winamp had good library support 25 years ago. Apparently linux still hasn't caught up.
[19:19] <oerheks> Kow, clementine is great with huge collections.
[19:19] <oerheks> so, use the one you like most, none of them 'suck'
[19:20] <oerheks> https://snapcraft.io/search?category=music-and-audio
[19:20] <Kow> I consider anything that doesn't work as designed to suck. I guess this is too high a bar for Linux music players
[19:21] <Kow> And the fact I see a lot of unanswered requests on their forums for a new release, going back to 2017... indicates to me Clementine is dead too. So I guess music players on Linux are a thing of the past
[19:23] <oerheks> snapcraft gives 1.4 rc
[19:24] <Kow> https://github.com/clementine-player/clementine/issues/1509 that bug is 7 years old and still open! yikes ok Clementine is dead
[19:25] <oerheks> random bugreport that is fixed already
[19:25] <oerheks> good luck!!
[19:29] <tuxakadjseb> strawberry is an excellent fork of clementine
[20:26] <plujon> I just did do-release-upgrade to upgrade to 18.04 LTS on a digitalocean droplet , and I notice uname -a indicates Linux 3.13.0-57 .  Is there some way to ask dkpg why it didn't use a newer linux kernel?
[20:31] <sarnold> plujon: hold on...
[20:31] <sarnold> plujon: https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/droplets/how-to/kernel/
[20:32] <plujon> sarnold: Ah, thanks!  I'll look that over...
[20:55] <bilb_ono> when you make an ssh port forward using the command line, how long does it last? Just until you ctrl+c? or until you restart the computer?
[20:56] <oerheks> until you restart the ssh service, i guess
[20:57] <leftyfb> bilb_ono: how are you forwarding the port?
[20:59] <kajetan> Hi, I'm still face my issue, even after intel_idle.max_cstate=4; basically when the screen is still as it is while reading text (I mean there is no even a blinking cursor), the LCD of my laptop starts to have a sort of wave noise in the background. If I move the mouse, it disappear for few seconds, then it restarts as soon the screen is still
[20:59] <kajetan> again. Any idea?
[20:59] <bilb_ono> leftyfb ssh -N -L 5432:remote_address:5432 <tunnel host>
[21:00] <leftyfb> bilb_ono: the tunnel is there until you close out that ssh session
[21:00] <bilb_ono> leftyfb: how do you “close out
[21:00] <leftyfb> exit ?
[21:00] <bilb_ono> do you have to execute a close command?
[21:00] <bilb_ono> or just like ctrl+c on the terminal window
[21:01] <leftyfb> oh, right, -N. Yeah, CTRL+C
[21:01] <bilb_ono> leftyfb: so to keep it open, I would put it in my ssh_config file
[21:02] <bilb_ono> and then it would be there… whenever I start my comp?
[21:03] <leftyfb> bilb_ono: look into autossh
[21:03] <bilb_ono> ok thanks
[21:22] <Kali_Yuga> Hello I made a bootable USB for someone, and I started the USB to check for errors (yes I did a md5sum to) but now there is another partition called "writable" on that stick, Idk why.. https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=48196318
[21:23] <Kali_Yuga> does it matter? should I just leave it, why is it there?
[21:23] <oerheks> depends, how did you create the usb, with what tool?
[21:24] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: I just used dd if= of= command
[21:24] <oerheks> mkusb gives an option for a persistent part, so you indeed see 2 usb instances.
[21:24] <oerheks> no, that is not possible, with just dd.
[21:25] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: well, I did just sudo dd that's it and then started the stick clicked on "try kubuntu"
[21:25] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: sudo dd if=/home/user/Downloads/kubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso of=/dev/sdc status=progress
[21:25] <oerheks> did you select sda/sdb/sdc or sda1/sdb1/sdc1 soemthng?
[21:26] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: /dev/sdc listed in lsblk
[21:26] <oerheks> what happens when you start in live mode, what does the 2nd icon give when opening?
[21:26] <oerheks> unusual, dd should not create 2 parts.
[21:27] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: No, now I'm in my OS again, not running live
[21:28] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: after coming back from live I plugged it in again and it showed the 2 parts after starting it in "try kubuntu" live session... before it wasn't there
[21:29] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: in "writable" it shows "install-logs-2020-09-140"
[21:30] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: did you understand any of what I'm trying to say?
[21:30] <oerheks> I have no answer to this..
[21:31] <oerheks> Kali_Yuga, yes, i believe you.
[21:31] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: how did you make the usb? dd? which iso?
[21:31] <EriC^^> also pastebin 'sudo parted -ls'
[21:31] <oerheks> i cannot find any clue why there would be 2 'drives' visable
[21:31] <oerheks> i could understand if you used /dev/sdc1
[21:31] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: kubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64
[21:32] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: No I used sdc, I made sure
[21:32] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: I actually copied the command that I used from my history
[21:33] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: pastebin parted
[21:34] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: what's the problem you're having anyways?
[21:36] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/ddwhnVdHNX/
[21:36] <oerheks> no usb there..
[21:37] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: yes it's an encrypted HDD, The USB is the 8053MB
[21:37] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: yes the VendorCo ProductCode (scsi) should be the USB drive
[21:37] <EriC^^> odd, no partition table or partitions
[21:38] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: Well I just see it in my folders that it shows a second partition after I "tried out kubuntu"
[21:38] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: if you mount this "writable" partition, does it show up in "mount" output?
[21:39] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: try mounting those in folders, and see the output of mount for what's mounted
[21:39] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: I think so I'll paste the output
[21:42] <kajetan> do you maybe know if there is any gnome specific optimization when the screen is still? this flickering is really eye-killer
[21:42] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: All the way on the bottom: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Rm6pRJZnnd/
[21:43] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1872065
[21:43] <EriC^^> seems that it's related to persistence
[21:44] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: So it's a bug??
[21:45] <EriC^^> no it's just the persistence partition i guess
[21:45] <oerheks> ... weird.. but oke, i am still on 18.04
[21:45] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: So it's normal?
[21:45] <oerheks> and then, why sdc3.. not sdc2?
[21:45] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: don't ask me
[21:46] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: i'd guess so
[21:47] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: Okay as long as it doesn't create any issues
[21:49] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: I'll just leave as is.. was just wondering
[21:51] <oerheks> such feature should be mentioned in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FocalFossa/ReleaseNotes/Kubuntu
[21:51] <oerheks> thanks Kali_Yuga for sharing
[21:53] <Kali_Yuga> oerheks: Oh you're welcome, I was wondering myself that's why I ask. Thanks for the help
[21:59] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: the partition is used to store all your personal data
[22:01] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: Oh, okay I didn't save anything just booted the stick once and then it was there.. it did save a log on it
[22:02] <Kali_Yuga> EriC^^: but thanks for your help, at least I know it's okay
[22:11] <EriC^^> Kali_Yuga: no problem
[22:23] <davido_> I'm interested in learning about the path that bug reports take through https://launchpad.net/ubuntu. I'm aware of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Bug%20statuses and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses/ , and even https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Triage ... I guess I'm asking if a flow chart exists.
[22:26] <davido_> Nevermind for now.
[22:49] <blazeme8> hi i'm having trouble getting sata working on an x570-based motherboard
[22:49] <blazeme8> I can see the controller in `lspci` and it says it's using the "ahci" kernel driver for it
[22:49] <blazeme8> but nothing happens when I connect a drive. There's a separate sata controller on the board that the drive works fine with.
[22:50] <blazeme8> ubuntu 20.04, i'm fairly up to date
[23:40] <truexfan81> with some exceptions
[23:41] <truexfan81> cough libplacebo cough even the ancient open suse leap is more up to date on that one
[23:56] <Kali_Yuga> how do you mount a persistence disk from google? https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=14517820