| callmepk | good morning | 02:21 |
|---|---|---|
| duflu | Morning callmepk | 02:45 |
| jibel | Good morning | 04:47 |
| oSoMoN | good morning desktoppers | 05:39 |
| didrocks | good morning | 05:42 |
| oSoMoN | salut didrocks | 05:49 |
| jibel | bonjour didrocks oSoMoN | 05:51 |
| didrocks | salut oSoMoN & jibel | 05:52 |
| duflu | Morning jibel, oSoMoN, didrocks | 05:56 |
| oSoMoN | salut jibel | 06:12 |
| oSoMoN | hey duflu | 06:12 |
| luna_ | morning | 06:27 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 06:39 |
| didrocks | & luna_ | 06:39 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 07:27 |
| marcustomlinson | morning callmepk duflu jibel oSoMoN didrocks luna_ seb128 | 07:28 |
| didrocks | salut seb128, hey marcustomlinson | 07:29 |
| seb128 | hey marcustomlinson | 07:29 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks | 07:29 |
| seb128 | how are you today? | 07:29 |
| didrocks | I’m good, still fighting the heat wave, but this summer will finally end one day (apparently this week-end…) | 07:30 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 and marcustomlinson | 07:30 |
| didrocks | and you? | 07:31 |
| seb128 | didrocks, doing alright, still no daycare today though so another busy day... | 07:32 |
| seb128 | hey duflu | 07:32 |
| didrocks | :( good luck with that again! | 07:32 |
| jibel | hi marcustomlinson | 07:41 |
| jibel | salut seb128 | 07:42 |
| Laney | ^yo | 07:58 |
| Laney | woah what's that ^ | 07:58 |
| didrocks | a pending character from yesterday Laney :) | 07:59 |
| Laney | ^_^ | 08:00 |
| Laney | ^^^^___^^^^ | 08:00 |
| didrocks | heh | 08:01 |
| oSoMoN | good morning luna_, seb128, marcustomlinson, Laney | 08:02 |
| Laney | moin didrocks oSoMoN | 08:07 |
| KGB-1 | gdm signed tags 0f58277 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i4lEI | 08:25 |
| Laney | Trevinho: did you just push a tag for an upload I did? | 08:27 |
| KGB-2 | gdm signed tags 1fb1b21 Iain Lane ubuntu/3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i4lEI | 08:28 |
| Laney | that's the one | 08:28 |
| Trevinho | Laney: sorry, I didn't notice I had unsincronized local branch and I thought I forgot to push when i saw there was another that I thought was mine as well -_- | 08:29 |
| Trevinho | thanks for fixing | 08:29 |
| seb128 | lut jibel , oSoMoN , hey Laney , bonjourno Trevinho | 08:36 |
| Trevinho | Buongiorno seb128! :) | 08:36 |
| jibel | it looks like a variation of hello in Fran-liano ;) | 08:38 |
| seb128 | :-) | 08:42 |
| didrocks | hey Trevinho :) | 08:44 |
| Trevinho | hi didrocks | 08:44 |
| seb128 | Laney, is there a big hammer to retry all the glib autopkgtest which failed on armhf/unknown? | 08:47 |
| Laney | seb128: I just did it, see #ubuntu-devel | 08:49 |
| seb128 | ack, do we have a script or something tht anyone can use for that? (I feel like I already asked that and should know but I don't remember now) | 08:53 |
| Laney | retry-autopkgtest-regressions | 08:54 |
| Laney | but if everyone starts using it we get duplicated requests | 08:54 |
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| seb128 | ack | 08:59 |
| ricotz | hey desktopers! | 10:52 |
| luna_ | hey | 10:52 |
| luna_ | Xorg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY | 10:52 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, hi :), looks like your recent totem-pl-parser updates introduced several criticals leading to totem crash on startup | 10:53 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: mhmh, which one? shouldn't be no behavior change, does it? | 10:53 |
| ricotz | reverting to 3.26.5-1ubuntu1 made it work again | 10:54 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, https://paste.debian.net/plain/1164024 | 10:54 |
| Trevinho | oh... | 10:55 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: mh, ok, will handle that, open a bug for me please | 10:55 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: weird that i'm not getting those though | 10:56 |
| Trevinho | meaybe need a new home? | 10:56 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: ok in clean env.. | 10:57 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, sorry, I am busy currently -- hmm, I see | 10:58 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz , how are you? | 11:13 |
| ricotz | seb128, hey, I am well | 11:43 |
| dgadomski | hello everyone | 11:55 |
| dgadomski | I was playing with gdm 3.36.3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 from -proposed to test the fixes in multiseat handling | 11:56 |
| dgadomski | I noticed something weird when I login on 2 separate seats as the same user - on the 2nd the login prompt disappears leaving only gdm background and nothing else happens | 11:56 |
| dgadomski | then when I launch and app on 1st seat it is displayed on the screen of the 2nd seat (with artifacts) | 11:56 |
| dgadomski | I'm wondering is that usecase (logging as the same user in parallel) supported | 11:56 |
| Laney | I can't imagine that ending well | 11:57 |
| dgadomski | yeah, so many things that may go wrong | 11:58 |
| Laney | gdm should probably prevent it | 11:58 |
| dgadomski | agreed, that'd make sense | 11:59 |
| dgadomski | I'll report an upstream bug about it | 11:59 |
| dgadomski | thanks Laney | 11:59 |
| Laney | 👍 thanks | 11:59 |
| jibel | Laney, thanks for the upload | 12:03 |
| Laney | no problem | 12:04 |
| Laney | enjoy the bugs^Whappy users | 12:04 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem-pl-parser/3.26.5-5ubuntu1 should fix the totem error | 13:16 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1891338/comments/5 ... the exo-open abstraction doesn't exist in the current apparmor right? how should we handle that, wait for apparmor 3 to land to do the change? (same for Debian?) | 13:21 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1891338 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor misconfigured for evince" [Undecided,In progress] | 13:21 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, makes sense ;) | 13:27 |
| kenvandine | seb128: looks like you and i are both retrying autopkgtests :) | 13:34 |
| KGB-0 | gnome-shell tags b67f33a Marco Trevisan upstream/3.38.0 * Upstream version 3.38.0 * https://deb.li/ikGiD | 13:34 |
| KGB-0 | gnome-shell upstream/latest 6615939 Marco Trevisan * pushed 15 commits * https://deb.li/3UkkU | 13:34 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, I wish there was an easy way to avoid requeuing something already retried :-( | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | indeed | 13:34 |
| KGB-0 | gnome-shell pristine-tar d227475 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/i7LqF | 13:34 |
| kenvandine | i'm looking for real failures to debug | 13:35 |
| seb128 | you are on +1? | 13:35 |
| kenvandine | yes | 13:35 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, gnome-control-center is blocked on budgie-desktop failing, did you poke at that yet? | 13:36 |
| kenvandine | i can look at that one | 13:37 |
| seb128 | thx | 13:38 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, but otherwise just pick things on the report, e.g https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#rsync probably needs some sorting out | 13:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, or https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#boxer-data | 13:41 |
| seb128 | just random things on that page usually works | 13:42 |
| kenvandine | there are numerous failures for snapd-glib on armhf | 13:42 |
| seb128 | seems worth debugging, even if it's to make the test less flaky | 13:43 |
| Laney | seb128: would you be interested in contributing to the codebase to make that a reality? | 13:51 |
| Laney | or someone else? | 13:51 |
| Laney | (not allowing duplicate retries) | 13:51 |
| seb128 | Laney, I should try to block some time for tooling work, but that's not going to be this cycle I'm afraid | 13:53 |
| Laney | right, that's how these issues manage to stay around for ages :( | 13:53 |
| seb128 | didn't Simon or someone started on that one and had a first version up for review? | 13:54 |
| Laney | indeed | 13:55 |
| Laney | we should make a list of desired improvements for the next cycle's roadmap when planning, this could be one of them | 13:56 |
| seb128 | yes | 13:56 |
| kenvandine | seb128: budgie-desktop failures are caused by gnome-control-center 3.38 breaking gnome-shell << 3.37.92 and gnome-shell is still 3.37.91 | 14:01 |
| kenvandine | so that'll work itself out when gnome-shell is updated | 14:02 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, ah, thanks for figuring it out | 14:02 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, I'd be interested in contributing to the tooling, but I wouldn't know where to start, so I would need some hand holding | 14:04 |
| oSoMoN | that would be perfect for a hack day at a sprint in the future | 14:05 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: cool! | 14:05 |
| Laney | that would be great great greeeeaaatttt | 14:05 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN needs more hours in his days :-) | 14:15 |
| jdstrand | seb128: oh, sorry, I was thinking that existed. aa3 is in groovy-proposed now. I'm not sure about Debian's plans for aa3 (I suspect they will take it when it is final in a few weeks) | 14:26 |
| oSoMoN | seb128, true, days are way too short :) | 14:27 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, seb128, didrocks999: before submitting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2WGtnShrzX/, I'd like to make sure I fully understand the rationale. gnome-software in groovy is in universe, and gstreamer1.0-packagekit (in main) recommends it. Is that what generates the component mismatch? If so, why is it on those two architectures only? | 14:44 |
| * Laney meows | 14:46 | |
| Laney | OK take a look at `apt show ubuntu-desktop` on amd64 | 14:46 |
| Laney | We added "Provides: packagekit-installer", because morally ubuntu-desktop provides that | 14:47 |
| Laney | via the snap | 14:47 |
| Laney | but the problem is that ubuntu-desktop is not built on all arches https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/tree/debian/control#n60 | 14:48 |
| Laney | namely riscv64 and s390x (currently) | 14:49 |
| Laney | so there is no Provides in effect there | 14:49 |
| Laney | which means that germinate has to find another way to satisfy that dependency, and gnome-software coming back into main is one way to do that | 14:49 |
| Laney | one of the ways out is just to chop that dependency out | 14:50 |
| oSoMoN | okay, that makes it clearer. I was missing some context | 14:50 |
| oSoMoN | so we don't want gnome-software back into main, right? | 14:51 |
| Laney | no, the team decided it wanted to maintain that as a snap | 14:52 |
| Laney | BTW | 14:55 |
| Laney | https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/extra-germinate-output <- this is the file which let us figure that out eventually (took a while) | 14:55 |
| oSoMoN | fossfreedom, when you have some time for it, please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-budgie.groovy/+merge/390839 | 15:00 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, there: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/390842 | 15:07 |
| oSoMoN | I hope the commit message summarizes correctly the rationale | 15:07 |
| Laney | 😎 | 15:08 |
| Laney | looks good to me! | 15:08 |
| oSoMoN | thanks for all the context, I know understand a bit more about seeds | 15:09 |
| hellsworth | good morning desktopers | 15:13 |
| oSoMoN | Wimpress, I see you're an admin of ~unity7maintainers. There's no groovy branch for the ubuntu-unity seeds (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers/ubuntu-seeds), is it okay to target the eoan branch or should a groovy branch be created and the seed's update.cfg be updated? | 15:14 |
| oSoMoN | good morning hellsworth | 15:14 |
| hellsworth | o/ oSoMoN | 15:14 |
| Laney | https://discourse.gnome.org/t/new-gnome-versioning-scheme/4235 | 15:25 |
| Laney | brave new world..! | 15:25 |
| Laney | hey hellsworth | 15:25 |
| oSoMoN | can a MOTU please sponsor https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/sponsoring/unity-china-video-scope.debdiff ? | 15:28 |
| oSoMoN | almost done updating seeds and random packages for gvfs to migrate… | 15:31 |
| seb128 | oSoMoN, k | 15:44 |
| oSoMoN | similarly to the ubuntu-unity seeds, there's no groovy branch for the ubuntu-gnome seeds at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-gnome | 15:46 |
| oSoMoN | can a core-dev please create it? (assuming that's what needs to happen) | 15:47 |
| Laney | oSoMoN: done for the ubuntu-gnome seeds | 15:54 |
| Laney | I might as well just make the change | 15:54 |
| Laney | I can't do unity but Trevinho should be able to | 15:55 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, thanks! | 15:56 |
| Laney | hmm, glib looks slightly angry on excuses even discounting i386 woe | 16:55 |
| Laney | good job i'm on +1 tomorrow and friday ;-) | 16:55 |
| oSoMoN | Laney, gnome-software is gone from https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg \o/ | 17:10 |
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| tjaalton | hellsworth: hey, is libreoffice now migrating to a snap? I see the snap version is at 7.0.1.2 while deb is older | 19:40 |
| hellsworth | the snap is much easier to update than the deb :) but there will continue to be both the deb and the snap for libreoffice for a while | 19:45 |
| tjaalton | yes I know | 19:51 |
| tjaalton | especially since a snap can be updated with less restrictions..? | 19:51 |
| tjaalton | so, since I've accepted some stable release updates recently, I should hash out a MRE for the deb with you.. :) | 19:52 |
| tjaalton | unless there are no new point-releases to be expected anymore? | 20:02 |
| hellsworth | oh there will be new point releases | 20:24 |
| hellsworth | tjaalton: what did you have in mind in terms of hashing out a MRE? | 20:27 |
| tjaalton | see the thread on ubuntu-release@ | 20:29 |
| hellsworth | tjaalton: read the recent thread on ubuntu-release.. so are you looking for an improved SRU template I use for libreoffice specifically? | 20:34 |
| tjaalton | hellsworth: no, needs something like the documented cases in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases | 20:38 |
| hellsworth | tjaalton: why do we need a special case for libreoffice though? | 20:45 |
| tjaalton | because the stable updates aren't exactly "micro" | 20:51 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, hmm, the deb updates for libreoffice are pretty much "micro", e.g. 6.4.x in focal | 21:04 |
| ricotz | (if you restrict this argument to the actual release version) | 21:04 |
| tjaalton | still, it's clear it won't get accepted unless documented like the others and an exception is granted | 21:09 |
| tjaalton | future sru's I mean | 21:09 |
| ricotz | tjaalton, I see, there are some policy changes | 21:10 |
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