callmepkgood morning02:21
dufluMorning callmepk 02:45
jibelGood morning 04:47
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers05:39
didrocksgood morning05:42
oSoMoNsalut didrocks 05:49
jibelbonjour didrocks oSoMoN 05:51
didrockssalut oSoMoN & jibel 05:52
dufluMorning jibel, oSoMoN, didrocks 05:56
oSoMoNsalut jibel 06:12
oSoMoNhey duflu 06:12
didrockshey duflu 06:39
didrocks& luna_ 06:39
seb128goood morning desktopers07:27
marcustomlinsonmorning callmepk duflu jibel oSoMoN didrocks luna_ seb12807:28
didrockssalut seb128, hey marcustomlinson 07:29
seb128hey marcustomlinson 07:29
seb128lut didrocks 07:29
seb128how are you today?07:29
didrocksI’m good, still fighting the heat wave, but this summer will finally end one day (apparently this week-end…)07:30
dufluMorning seb128 and marcustomlinson 07:30
didrocksand you?07:31
seb128didrocks, doing alright, still no daycare today though so another busy day...07:32
seb128hey duflu 07:32
didrocks:( good luck with that again!07:32
jibelhi marcustomlinson 07:41
jibelsalut seb128 07:42
Laneywoah what's that ^07:58
didrocksa pending character from yesterday Laney :)07:59
oSoMoNgood morning luna_, seb128, marcustomlinson, Laney 08:02
Laneymoin didrocks oSoMoN 08:07
KGB-1gdm signed tags 0f58277 Marco Trevisan ubuntu/3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i4lEI08:25
LaneyTrevinho: did you just push a tag for an upload I did?08:27
KGB-2gdm signed tags 1fb1b21 Iain Lane ubuntu/3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * gdm3 Debian release 3.37.90-1ubuntu1 * https://deb.li/i4lEI08:28
Laneythat's the one08:28
TrevinhoLaney: sorry, I didn't notice I had unsincronized local branch and I thought I forgot to push when i saw there was another that I thought was mine as well -_-08:29
Trevinhothanks for fixing08:29
seb128lut jibel , oSoMoN , hey Laney , bonjourno Trevinho 08:36
TrevinhoBuongiorno seb128! :)08:36
jibelit looks like a variation of hello in Fran-liano ;)08:38
didrockshey Trevinho :)08:44
Trevinhohi didrocks 08:44
seb128Laney, is there a big hammer to retry all the glib autopkgtest which failed on armhf/unknown?08:47
Laneyseb128: I just did it, see #ubuntu-devel08:49
seb128ack, do we have a script or something tht anyone can use for that? (I feel like I already asked that and should know but I don't remember now)08:53
Laneybut if everyone starts using it we get duplicated requests08:54
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ricotzhey desktopers!10:52
luna_Xorg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2mnbyRgXkY10:52
ricotzTrevinho, hi :), looks like your recent totem-pl-parser updates introduced several criticals leading to totem crash on startup10:53
Trevinhoricotz: mhmh, which one? shouldn't be no behavior change, does it?10:53
ricotzreverting to 3.26.5-1ubuntu1 made it work again10:54
ricotzTrevinho, https://paste.debian.net/plain/116402410:54
Trevinhoricotz: mh, ok, will handle that, open a bug for me please10:55
Trevinhoricotz: weird that i'm not getting those though10:56
Trevinhomeaybe need a new home?10:56
Trevinhoricotz: ok in clean env..10:57
ricotzTrevinho, sorry, I am busy currently -- hmm, I see10:58
seb128hey ricotz , how are you?11:13
ricotzseb128, hey, I am well11:43
dgadomskihello everyone11:55
dgadomskiI was playing with gdm 3.36.3-0ubuntu0.20.04.1 from -proposed to test the fixes in multiseat handling11:56
dgadomskiI noticed something weird when I login on 2 separate seats as the same user - on the 2nd the login prompt disappears leaving only gdm background and nothing else happens11:56
dgadomskithen when I launch and app on 1st seat it is displayed on the screen of the 2nd seat (with artifacts)11:56
dgadomskiI'm wondering is that usecase (logging as the same user in parallel) supported11:56
LaneyI can't imagine that ending well11:57
dgadomskiyeah, so many things that may go wrong11:58
Laneygdm should probably prevent it11:58
dgadomskiagreed, that'd make sense11:59
dgadomskiI'll report an upstream bug about it11:59
dgadomskithanks Laney11:59
Laney👍 thanks11:59
jibelLaney, thanks for the upload12:03
Laneyno problem12:04
Laneyenjoy the bugs^Whappy users12:04
Trevinhoricotz: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem-pl-parser/3.26.5-5ubuntu1 should fix the totem error13:16
seb128jdstrand, reading https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evince/+bug/1891338/comments/5 ... the exo-open abstraction doesn't exist in the current apparmor right? how should we handle that, wait for apparmor 3 to land to do the change? (same for Debian?)13:21
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1891338 in apparmor (Ubuntu) "apparmor misconfigured for evince" [Undecided,In progress]13:21
ricotzTrevinho, makes sense ;)13:27
kenvandineseb128: looks like you and i are both retrying autopkgtests :)13:34
KGB-0gnome-shell tags b67f33a Marco Trevisan upstream/3.38.0 * Upstream version 3.38.0 * https://deb.li/ikGiD13:34
KGB-0gnome-shell upstream/latest 6615939 Marco Trevisan * pushed 15 commits * https://deb.li/3UkkU13:34
seb128kenvandine, I wish there was an easy way to avoid requeuing something already retried :-(13:34
KGB-0gnome-shell pristine-tar d227475 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell_3.38.0.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/i7LqF13:34
kenvandinei'm looking for real failures to debug13:35
seb128you are on +1?13:35
seb128kenvandine, gnome-control-center is blocked on budgie-desktop failing, did you poke at that yet?13:36
kenvandinei can look at that one13:37
seb128kenvandine, but otherwise just pick things on the report, e.g https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#rsync probably needs some sorting out13:40
seb128kenvandine, or https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#boxer-data13:41
seb128just random things on that page usually works13:42
kenvandinethere are numerous failures for snapd-glib on armhf 13:42
seb128seems worth debugging, even if it's to make the test less flaky13:43
Laneyseb128: would you be interested in contributing to the codebase to make that a reality?13:51
Laneyor someone else?13:51
Laney(not allowing duplicate retries)13:51
seb128Laney, I should try to block some time for tooling work, but that's not going to be this cycle I'm afraid13:53
Laneyright, that's how these issues manage to stay around for ages :(13:53
seb128didn't Simon or someone started on that one and had a first version up for review?13:54
Laneywe should make a list of desired improvements for the next cycle's roadmap when planning, this could be one of them13:56
kenvandineseb128: budgie-desktop failures are caused by gnome-control-center 3.38 breaking gnome-shell << 3.37.92 and gnome-shell is still 3.37.9114:01
kenvandineso that'll work itself out when gnome-shell is updated14:02
seb128kenvandine, ah, thanks for figuring it out14:02
oSoMoNLaney, I'd be interested in contributing to the tooling, but I wouldn't know where to start, so I would need some hand holding14:04
oSoMoNthat would be perfect for a hack day at a sprint in the future14:05
LaneyoSoMoN: cool!14:05
Laneythat would be great great greeeeaaatttt14:05
seb128oSoMoN needs more hours in his days :-)14:15
jdstrandseb128: oh, sorry, I was thinking that existed. aa3 is in groovy-proposed now. I'm not sure about Debian's plans for aa3 (I suspect they will take it when it is final in a few weeks)14:26
oSoMoNseb128, true, days are way too short :)14:27
oSoMoNLaney, seb128, didrocks999: before submitting https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/2WGtnShrzX/, I'd like to make sure I fully understand the rationale. gnome-software in groovy is in universe, and gstreamer1.0-packagekit (in main) recommends it. Is that what generates the component mismatch? If so, why is it on those two architectures only?14:44
* Laney meows14:46
LaneyOK take a look at `apt show ubuntu-desktop` on amd6414:46
LaneyWe added "Provides: packagekit-installer", because morally ubuntu-desktop provides that14:47
Laneyvia the snap14:47
Laneybut the problem is that ubuntu-desktop is not built on all arches https://git.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-meta/tree/debian/control#n6014:48
Laneynamely riscv64 and s390x (currently)14:49
Laneyso there is no Provides in effect there14:49
Laneywhich means that germinate has to find another way to satisfy that dependency, and gnome-software coming back into main is one way to do that14:49
Laneyone of the ways out is just to chop that dependency out14:50
oSoMoNokay, that makes it clearer. I was missing some context14:50
oSoMoNso we don't want gnome-software back into main, right?14:51
Laneyno, the team decided it wanted to maintain that as a snap14:52
Laneyhttps://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/extra-germinate-output <- this is the file which let us figure that out eventually (took a while)14:55
oSoMoNfossfreedom, when you have some time for it, please review https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-budgie.groovy/+merge/39083915:00
oSoMoNLaney, there: https://code.launchpad.net/~osomon/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu/+merge/39084215:07
oSoMoNI hope the commit message summarizes correctly the rationale15:07
Laneylooks good to me!15:08
oSoMoNthanks for all the context, I know understand a bit more about seeds15:09
hellsworthgood morning desktopers15:13
oSoMoNWimpress, I see you're an admin of ~unity7maintainers. There's no groovy branch for the ubuntu-unity seeds (https://code.launchpad.net/~unity7maintainers/ubuntu-seeds), is it okay to target the eoan branch or should a groovy branch be created and the seed's update.cfg be updated?15:14
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth 15:14
hellswortho/ oSoMoN 15:14
Laneybrave new world..!15:25
Laneyhey hellsworth 15:25
oSoMoNcan a MOTU please sponsor https://people.canonical.com/~osomon/sponsoring/unity-china-video-scope.debdiff ?15:28
oSoMoNalmost done updating seeds and random packages for gvfs to migrate…15:31
seb128oSoMoN, k15:44
oSoMoNsimilarly to the ubuntu-unity seeds, there's no groovy branch for the ubuntu-gnome seeds at https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-gnome-dev/ubuntu-seeds/+git/ubuntu-gnome15:46
oSoMoNcan a core-dev please create it? (assuming that's what needs to happen)15:47
LaneyoSoMoN: done for the ubuntu-gnome seeds15:54
LaneyI might as well just make the change15:54
LaneyI can't do unity but Trevinho should be able to15:55
oSoMoNLaney, thanks!15:56
Laneyhmm, glib looks slightly angry on excuses even discounting i386 woe16:55
Laneygood job i'm on +1 tomorrow and friday ;-)16:55
oSoMoNLaney, gnome-software is gone from https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.svg \o/17:10
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tjaaltonhellsworth: hey, is libreoffice now migrating to a snap? I see the snap version is at while deb is older19:40
hellsworththe snap is much easier to update than the deb :) but there will continue to be both the deb and the snap for libreoffice for a while19:45
tjaaltonyes I know19:51
tjaaltonespecially since a snap can be updated with less restrictions..?19:51
tjaaltonso, since I've accepted some stable release updates recently, I should hash out a MRE for the deb with you.. :)19:52
tjaaltonunless there are no new point-releases to be expected anymore?20:02
hellsworthoh there will be new point releases20:24
hellsworthtjaalton: what did you have in mind in terms of hashing out a MRE?20:27
tjaaltonsee the thread on ubuntu-release@20:29
hellsworthtjaalton: read the recent thread on ubuntu-release.. so are you looking for an improved SRU template I use for libreoffice specifically?20:34
tjaaltonhellsworth: no, needs something like the documented cases in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Documentation_for_Special_Cases20:38
hellsworthtjaalton: why do we need a special case for libreoffice though?20:45
tjaaltonbecause the stable updates aren't exactly "micro"20:51
ricotztjaalton, hmm, the deb updates for libreoffice are pretty much "micro", e.g. 6.4.x in focal21:04
ricotz(if you restrict this argument to the actual release version)21:04
tjaaltonstill, it's clear it won't get accepted unless documented like the others and an exception is granted21:09
tjaaltonfuture sru's I mean21:09
ricotztjaalton, I see, there are some policy changes21:10

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