[01:11] <jmcgnh> x033
[01:11] <jmcgnh> I guess they're no longer here...
[06:35] <dre> jmcgnh of course not, there's no immediate answer
[06:35] <dre> It'd be nice if there was a good, non-arch specific wiki about the state of current linux programs
[06:36] <dre> i think that's probably the only thing that the debian types are missing
[09:02] <Giola> What's going on with the latest kernel, of Xubuntu18 and also I tried UbuntuBudgie18, and both did the same. On my laptop (NC8000) the screen looks like someone has disrupted the pixels with little rectangular stuff. I had to go back a kernel via Grub and advanced options before I could read properly anything on the screen. And yes, I have just two
[09:02] <Giola> 32 bit computers, although I also have 64 bit. But both 32 bit ones with the newest kernels for xubuntu or Budgie mess up the screen, and the kernel before that doesn't.
[09:06] <brainwash> Giola: so... you did not mention the kernel versions
[09:41] <Giola> It's the latest kernel version, all the others worked before that 18.04.5 has the problem all the 18.04.4 didn't
[09:42] <Giola> 18.04.3 and 18.04.4 didn't have that problem
[10:02] <brainwash> Giola: a quick search gave me only this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1262259/distorted-display-after-upgrading-the-kernel-to-5-4-on-ubuntu-18-04-32-bit
[10:04] <brainwash> I suggest that you ask in #ubuntu
[10:04] <brainwash> since it affects different DEs
[10:11] <Giola> OK, I'm gathering the information about the graphics drivers (of the two computers, would I ask in #ubuntu) or on a forum. I fixed it by changing the grub to load the prior kernel though.
[10:12] <Giola> heh thanks, that's exactly what I have. How did you find that, I couldn't with my searches
[10:15] <brainwash> now I can't find it again (having browsing history disabled)
[10:15] <brainwash> =S
[10:17] <Giola> oh well, that's annoying, I have that a lot too, grasping around in cobwebs
[10:17] <brainwash> one thing you could do is to manually install kernel 5.8 which is the latest stable version
[10:17] <brainwash> and see if that helps
[10:18] <brainwash> it requires some work to install the packages though
[10:18] <Giola> I booked mark that discussion, and will add to it, I think. I took me a long time to figure how to deal with this. It's nice that you can go back on a kernel, microsoft doesn't have that. My 64 bit computer, before I got it, is listed having problems with updates, and...
[10:18] <Giola> I'm fine just using an older kernel for now. I would create a usb plug with the newer kernel first, see it if works.
[10:22] <Giola> by the way, I didn't list the kernel version, I think, I listed the xubuntu version
[10:27] <Giola> kernel 5.0.047 doesn't work. 5.0.037 does. And this is for xubuntu. I wonder whether I have that right now
[10:27] <Giola> I'm talking about what grub lists as options. It has those two and the older one works.
[10:41] <Giola> yes, I checked it, those are the kernel releases. Also on the dell optiplex gx260 it's kernel 5.0.036. I tried a newer budgie-ubuntu and it did the same as the 5.0.047 kernel of the xubuntu on the laptop (nc8000). The link you shared that brings that up. I had to get a newer computer because of program upgrade, but have the older ones I still use,,
[10:51] <brainwash> so, you should open (or find) a bug report
[10:51] <brainwash> and maybe #ubuntu can assist with that
[10:53] <brainwash> oh
[10:53] <Giola> I was just looking into that. What is #ubuntu? is that an irc channel?
[10:53] <brainwash> there's #ubuntu-kernel too
[10:54] <brainwash> yes, those are other channels here on freenode
[10:56] <giola> I'm back. I can't join xubuntu-kernel, you have to be part of....
[10:58] <brainwash> you mean ubuntu-kernel?
[10:58] <giola> yep
[10:59] <brainwash> could be for registered users only
[10:59] <giola> where would you report a bug of xubuntu?
[10:59] <brainwash> !bugs
[11:00] <giola> thanks!
[11:00] <giola> yes I did a google, and there's a lot of info
[11:06] <giola> you know I feel I'm going around in circles, I have a launchpad account, and I go there and click on report a bug, and it sends me back to where I was earlier, and neither place simply has a link you can click to e-mail the bug you encountered. And how one is to report a bug when you can't read the screen to see what's going on....
[11:07] <giola> This is the whole problem, but I have to get some sleep now rather than going round in circles: What's going on with the latest kernel, of Xubuntu18 and also I tried UbuntuBudgie18, and both did the same. On my laptop (NC8000) the screen looks like someone has disrupted the pixels with little rectangular stuff. I had to go back a kernel via Grub
[11:08] <giola> and advanced options before I could read properly anything on the screen. And yes, I have just two 32 bit computers, although I also have 64 bit. But both 32 bit ones with the newest kernels for xubuntu or Budgie mess up the screen, and the kernel before that doesn't. I imagine that’s the case with all of the newer kernels with Kubuntu, Lubuntu
[11:08] <giola> etc.. And the kernels are 5.0.037 which works. And 5.0.047 which has the distortion shared. here is the lshw -c video listings for the laptop (32 bit)*-display                       description: VGA compatible controller       product: RV350/M10 / RV360/M11 [Mobility Radeon 9600 (PRO) / 9700]       vendor: Advanced Micro
[11:08] <giola> Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]       physical id: 0       bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0       version: 00       width: 32 bits       clock: 66MHz       capabilities: agp agp-2.0 pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom       configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8       resources: irq:10 memory:98000000-9fffffff
[11:08] <giola> ioport:2000(size=256) memory:90400000-9040ffff memory:c0000-dffffAnd here for the old Dell  32 bit desktop optiplex gx260*-display                       description: VGA compatible controller       product: RV200 [Radeon 7500/7500 LE]       vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI]       physical id: 0       bus
[11:08] <giola> info: pci@0000:01:00.0       version: 00       width: 32 bits       clock: 66MHz       capabilities: agp agp-2.0 pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom       configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8       resources: irq:16 memory:f0000000-f7ffffff ioport:ec00(size=256) memory:ff8f0000-ff8fffff memory:c0000-dffff
[11:08] <diogenes_> wth
[11:33] <Giola> sorry, I didn't mean to flood the channel earlier, was trying to share stuff about a bug. I did find a place to report it on launchpad. There is a place to do that here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect= and I reported it there.
[11:33] <Giola> bye
[11:39] <xu-help3w> I upgraded from 18.04.5 to 20.04.1and saw that the wrong Software Updater icon is displayed in the whisker menu.
[11:41] <xu-help3w> Instead of apps/system-software-update.png, the panel/system-software-update.png icon file is displayed!
[11:42] <xu-help3w> Is this a bug?
[11:43] <xu-help3w> anyone?
[11:43] <xu-help3w> am I the only one?
[11:45] <xu-help3w> correction I mean ..../apps/22/.... and ..../panel/22/.... directories
[11:46] <diogenes_> xu-help3w, check out the standard iso: https://distrotest.net/Xubuntu
[11:46] <xu-help3w> Can someone confirm this bug?
[11:48] <xu-help3w> What should I check?
[11:49] <diogenes_> click start and explore the desktop, see if the bug is there too.
[11:52] <xu-help3w> Sorry for my last question
[11:52] <xu-help3w> Yes I see the same problem in the test
[11:53] <xu-help3w> Is this a known bug?
[11:53] <diogenes_> then it's not a bug but a feature :)
[11:53] <xu-help3w> Lol
[11:55] <xu-help3w> Seriously is this a known defect?
[12:01] <xu-help3w> The panel icon only has 2 arcing arrows and no orange background
[12:04] <xu-help3w> In 18.04 the system-software-update.png panel icons didn't exist
[12:05] <xu-help3w> Waiting for a reply......
[12:09] <xu-help3w> ;(  Maybe it is time to switch from Xubuntu to Manjaro
[12:14] <xu-help3w> Knock knock, anybody there?
[12:15] <diogenes_> could you post a screenshot?
[12:17] <xu-help3w> How can I do that/
[12:17] <diogenes_> !screenshot
[12:17] <xu-help3w> imgur, ok
[12:51] <ahgashdgad> https://imgur.com/a/FwSqzsO
[12:52] <ahgashdgad> In 20.04 the wrong icon for the Software Updater app is displayed in the whisker menu
[12:53] <ahgashdgad> instead of the .../apps/22/system-software-update.png file the ...../panel/22/system-sosftware-update.png file is displayed
[12:56] <ahgashdgad> Please file this as a defect, if this hasn't been done yet
[12:57] <tomreyn> ahgashdgad: i suggest you look for an existing bug report on this. and if there is none, and you're convinced it's a bug, you file one.
[12:57] <tomreyn> !bug | ahgashdgad
[13:01] <tomreyn> I can confirm that the icon on the screenshot you posted at https://i.imgur.com/k1egI4d.png is also seen on the Xubuntu (20.04 LTS) installer / live session available on distrotest.net: https://i.imgur.com/la5QYlh.png
[13:02] <ahgashdgad> No idea which package i should mention
[13:04] <tomreyn> ahgashdgad: can you provide the full path of the icon files you referred to?
[13:05] <ahgashdgad> sure, but is also depends on the selected icon set
[13:05] <tomreyn> so are you using a non default icon set?
[13:06] <tomreyn> i assume it happpens with the default icon set, since we can see this icon on the distrotest.net image.
[13:06] <ahgashdgad> let's assume we are using elementary Xfce darker
[13:06] <brainwash> that's elementary-xfce (a customized version of the elementary icon theme)
[13:07] <ahgashdgad> file: /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark/panel/22/system-software-update.png
[13:08] <ahgashdgad> i.s.o. /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.png
[13:09] <tomreyn> hmm i'm not enough into xubuntu to understand which package to file this against then
[13:09] <brainwash> but what is the problem with the icon?
[13:10] <ahgashdgad> It is the wrong one, that should only be used in panels
[13:10] <ahgashdgad> The correct one has an orange background
[13:10] <brainwash> https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/blob/master/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.svg
[13:10] <brainwash> the orange one
[13:10] <ahgashdgad> Yes
[13:12] <ahgashdgad> the correct one is /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.png
[13:12] <tomreyn> what'S the output of     dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.png
[13:12] <ahgashdgad> elementary-xfce-icon-theme
[13:13] <tomreyn> so run    ubuntu-bug elementary-xfce-icon-theme
[13:13] <tomreyn> and report your findings, with screen shots, and full path names
[13:14] <brainwash> https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/issues/206
[13:14] <brainwash> probably fixed in 20.10
[13:15] <ahgashdgad> So it is a known bug, we don't need to report it
[13:17] <brainwash> it won't get fixed in 20.04 though
[13:19] <ahgashdgad> I see a lot of changes in svg files, i doubt it is fixed
[13:20] <brainwash> it is for me (different distribution with latest elementary-xfce release)
[13:20] <brainwash> or do you mean in 20.10?
[13:20] <brainwash> the upcoming Xubuntu release
[13:20] <ahgashdgad> You use 20.10?
[13:21] <brainwash> no
[13:21] <brainwash> !info elementary-xfce-icon-theme groovy
[13:21] <brainwash> !info elementary-xfce-icon-theme focal
[13:22] <brainwash> same version :/
[13:23] <brainwash> 0.15
[13:23] <brainwash> 0.15.1 has the fix
[13:23] <brainwash> don't confuse 0.15-1 with 0.15.1
[13:24] <ahgashdgad> Oo ok, thx guys
[13:25] <brainwash> now this is odd. launchpad reports something different..
[13:25] <brainwash> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-xfce/0.15.1-1
[13:45] <jay-m_> Hello !
[13:47] <jay-m_> I am using xubuntu 18.04, is it possible to 20.04 using do-release-upgrade (upgrader) tool ?
[13:47] <jay-m_> I am using xubuntu 18.04, is it possible to upgrade to 20.04 using do-release-upgrade (upgrader) tool ?
[13:48] <diogenes_> jay-m_, afaik no upgrade path yet?
[13:58] <jay-m_> still searching :)
[17:04] <Juogsg> Si
[17:04] <Juogsg> Vamos
[17:04] <Juogsg> Motivate
[23:46] <VipVop> hi
[23:47] <VipVop> I have a question about svideo if anyone can kindly spare the time\
[23:51] <Bashing-om> !ask | VipVop
[23:52] <VipVop> !ask does xubuntu have svideo support?
[23:59] <Bashing-om> VipVop: "apt search svideo" indicates there is support.