[01:11] x033 [01:11] I guess they're no longer here... === brainwash_ is now known as brainwash === sorinello1 is now known as sorinello [06:35] jmcgnh of course not, there's no immediate answer [06:35] It'd be nice if there was a good, non-arch specific wiki about the state of current linux programs [06:36] i think that's probably the only thing that the debian types are missing [09:02] What's going on with the latest kernel, of Xubuntu18 and also I tried UbuntuBudgie18, and both did the same. On my laptop (NC8000) the screen looks like someone has disrupted the pixels with little rectangular stuff. I had to go back a kernel via Grub and advanced options before I could read properly anything on the screen. And yes, I have just two [09:02] 32 bit computers, although I also have 64 bit. But both 32 bit ones with the newest kernels for xubuntu or Budgie mess up the screen, and the kernel before that doesn't. [09:06] Giola: so... you did not mention the kernel versions [09:41] It's the latest kernel version, all the others worked before that 18.04.5 has the problem all the 18.04.4 didn't [09:42] 18.04.3 and 18.04.4 didn't have that problem [10:02] Giola: a quick search gave me only this https://askubuntu.com/questions/1262259/distorted-display-after-upgrading-the-kernel-to-5-4-on-ubuntu-18-04-32-bit [10:04] I suggest that you ask in #ubuntu [10:04] since it affects different DEs [10:11] OK, I'm gathering the information about the graphics drivers (of the two computers, would I ask in #ubuntu) or on a forum. I fixed it by changing the grub to load the prior kernel though. [10:12] heh thanks, that's exactly what I have. How did you find that, I couldn't with my searches [10:15] now I can't find it again (having browsing history disabled) [10:15] =S [10:17] oh well, that's annoying, I have that a lot too, grasping around in cobwebs [10:17] one thing you could do is to manually install kernel 5.8 which is the latest stable version [10:17] and see if that helps [10:18] it requires some work to install the packages though [10:18] I booked mark that discussion, and will add to it, I think. I took me a long time to figure how to deal with this. It's nice that you can go back on a kernel, microsoft doesn't have that. My 64 bit computer, before I got it, is listed having problems with updates, and... [10:18] I'm fine just using an older kernel for now. I would create a usb plug with the newer kernel first, see it if works. [10:22] by the way, I didn't list the kernel version, I think, I listed the xubuntu version [10:27] kernel 5.0.047 doesn't work. 5.0.037 does. And this is for xubuntu. I wonder whether I have that right now [10:27] I'm talking about what grub lists as options. It has those two and the older one works. [10:41] yes, I checked it, those are the kernel releases. Also on the dell optiplex gx260 it's kernel 5.0.036. I tried a newer budgie-ubuntu and it did the same as the 5.0.047 kernel of the xubuntu on the laptop (nc8000). The link you shared that brings that up. I had to get a newer computer because of program upgrade, but have the older ones I still use,, [10:51] so, you should open (or find) a bug report [10:51] and maybe #ubuntu can assist with that [10:53] oh [10:53] I was just looking into that. What is #ubuntu? is that an irc channel? [10:53] there's #ubuntu-kernel too [10:54] yes, those are other channels here on freenode [10:56] I'm back. I can't join xubuntu-kernel, you have to be part of.... [10:58] you mean ubuntu-kernel? [10:58] yep [10:59] could be for registered users only [10:59] where would you report a bug of xubuntu? [10:59] !bugs [10:59] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [11:00] thanks! [11:00] yes I did a google, and there's a lot of info [11:06] you know I feel I'm going around in circles, I have a launchpad account, and I go there and click on report a bug, and it sends me back to where I was earlier, and neither place simply has a link you can click to e-mail the bug you encountered. And how one is to report a bug when you can't read the screen to see what's going on.... [11:07] This is the whole problem, but I have to get some sleep now rather than going round in circles: What's going on with the latest kernel, of Xubuntu18 and also I tried UbuntuBudgie18, and both did the same. On my laptop (NC8000) the screen looks like someone has disrupted the pixels with little rectangular stuff. I had to go back a kernel via Grub [11:08] and advanced options before I could read properly anything on the screen. And yes, I have just two 32 bit computers, although I also have 64 bit. But both 32 bit ones with the newest kernels for xubuntu or Budgie mess up the screen, and the kernel before that doesn't. I imagine that’s the case with all of the newer kernels with Kubuntu, Lubuntu [11:08] etc.. And the kernels are 5.0.037 which works. And 5.0.047 which has the distortion shared. here is the lshw -c video listings for the laptop (32 bit)*-display description: VGA compatible controller product: RV350/M10 / RV360/M11 [Mobility Radeon 9600 (PRO) / 9700] vendor: Advanced Micro [11:08] Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] physical id: 0 bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: agp agp-2.0 pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8 resources: irq:10 memory:98000000-9fffffff [11:08] ioport:2000(size=256) memory:90400000-9040ffff memory:c0000-dffffAnd here for the old Dell 32 bit desktop optiplex gx260*-display description: VGA compatible controller product: RV200 [Radeon 7500/7500 LE] vendor: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] physical id: 0 bus [11:08] info: pci@0000:01:00.0 version: 00 width: 32 bits clock: 66MHz capabilities: agp agp-2.0 pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom configuration: driver=radeon latency=64 mingnt=8 resources: irq:16 memory:f0000000-f7ffffff ioport:ec00(size=256) memory:ff8f0000-ff8fffff memory:c0000-dffff [11:08] wth [11:33] sorry, I didn't mean to flood the channel earlier, was trying to share stuff about a bug. I did find a place to report it on launchpad. There is a place to do that here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug?no-redirect= and I reported it there. [11:33] bye [11:39] I upgraded from 18.04.5 to 20.04.1and saw that the wrong Software Updater icon is displayed in the whisker menu. [11:41] Instead of apps/system-software-update.png, the panel/system-software-update.png icon file is displayed! [11:42] Is this a bug? [11:43] anyone? [11:43] am I the only one? [11:45] correction I mean ..../apps/22/.... and ..../panel/22/.... directories [11:46] xu-help3w, check out the standard iso: https://distrotest.net/Xubuntu [11:46] Can someone confirm this bug? [11:48] What should I check? [11:49] click start and explore the desktop, see if the bug is there too. [11:52] Sorry for my last question [11:52] Yes I see the same problem in the test [11:53] Is this a known bug? [11:53] then it's not a bug but a feature :) [11:53] Lol [11:55] Seriously is this a known defect? [12:01] The panel icon only has 2 arcing arrows and no orange background [12:04] In 18.04 the system-software-update.png panel icons didn't exist [12:05] Waiting for a reply...... [12:09] ;( Maybe it is time to switch from Xubuntu to Manjaro [12:14] Knock knock, anybody there? [12:15] could you post a screenshot? [12:17] How can I do that/ [12:17] !screenshot [12:17] Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ and link the created page here. [12:17] imgur, ok [12:51] https://imgur.com/a/FwSqzsO [12:52] In 20.04 the wrong icon for the Software Updater app is displayed in the whisker menu [12:53] instead of the .../apps/22/system-software-update.png file the ...../panel/22/system-sosftware-update.png file is displayed [12:56] Please file this as a defect, if this hasn't been done yet [12:57] ahgashdgad: i suggest you look for an existing bug report on this. and if there is none, and you're convinced it's a bug, you file one. [12:57] !bug | ahgashdgad [12:57] ahgashdgad: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its official !flavors, please report it using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [13:01] I can confirm that the icon on the screenshot you posted at https://i.imgur.com/k1egI4d.png is also seen on the Xubuntu (20.04 LTS) installer / live session available on distrotest.net: https://i.imgur.com/la5QYlh.png [13:02] No idea which package i should mention [13:04] ahgashdgad: can you provide the full path of the icon files you referred to? [13:05] sure, but is also depends on the selected icon set [13:05] so are you using a non default icon set? [13:06] i assume it happpens with the default icon set, since we can see this icon on the distrotest.net image. [13:06] let's assume we are using elementary Xfce darker [13:06] that's elementary-xfce (a customized version of the elementary icon theme) [13:07] file: /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce-dark/panel/22/system-software-update.png [13:08] i.s.o. /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.png [13:09] hmm i'm not enough into xubuntu to understand which package to file this against then [13:09] but what is the problem with the icon? [13:10] It is the wrong one, that should only be used in panels [13:10] The correct one has an orange background [13:10] https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/blob/master/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.svg [13:10] the orange one [13:10] Yes [13:12] the correct one is /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.png [13:12] what'S the output of dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/elementary-xfce/apps/22/system-software-update.png [13:12] elementary-xfce-icon-theme [13:13] so run ubuntu-bug elementary-xfce-icon-theme [13:13] and report your findings, with screen shots, and full path names [13:14] https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce/issues/206 [13:14] probably fixed in 20.10 [13:15] So it is a known bug, we don't need to report it [13:17] it won't get fixed in 20.04 though [13:19] I see a lot of changes in svg files, i doubt it is fixed [13:20] it is for me (different distribution with latest elementary-xfce release) [13:20] or do you mean in 20.10? [13:20] the upcoming Xubuntu release [13:20] You use 20.10? [13:21] no [13:21] !info elementary-xfce-icon-theme groovy [13:21] elementary-xfce-icon-theme (source: elementary-xfce): elementary icon theme modified for Xfce. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15-1 (groovy), package size 5549 kB, installed size 18857 kB [13:21] !info elementary-xfce-icon-theme focal [13:21] elementary-xfce-icon-theme (source: elementary-xfce): elementary icon theme modified for Xfce. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.15-1 (focal), package size 5549 kB, installed size 18857 kB [13:22] same version :/ [13:23] 0.15 [13:23] 0.15.1 has the fix [13:23] don't confuse 0.15-1 with 0.15.1 [13:24] Oo ok, thx guys [13:25] now this is odd. launchpad reports something different.. [13:25] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/elementary-xfce/0.15.1-1 [13:45] Hello ! [13:47] I am using xubuntu 18.04, is it possible to 20.04 using do-release-upgrade (upgrader) tool ? [13:47] I am using xubuntu 18.04, is it possible to upgrade to 20.04 using do-release-upgrade (upgrader) tool ? [13:48] jay-m_, afaik no upgrade path yet? [13:58] still searching :) [17:04] Si [17:04] Vamos [17:04] Motivate [23:46] hi [23:47] I have a question about svideo if anyone can kindly spare the time\ [23:51] !ask | VipVop [23:51] VipVop: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience [23:52] !ask does xubuntu have svideo support? [23:52] VipVop: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [23:59] VipVop: "apt search svideo" indicates there is support.