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 @Hannah122 [<reply to media>], Firefox works fine in Libertine though with OTA13
 is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?
 @M4rcosG4briel [is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?], Probably not - perhaps if someone made a webapp for it's online version.  I tried OnlyOffice desktop on my x86 HP table running Makulu Shift (Ubuntu 20.04 base) yesterday and couldn't even get it to work there.
 @M4rcosG4briel [is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?], Abiword and Gnumeric work ok in Libertine container with UT if using external keyboard and display.  Also - via my Dropbox account I am able to use online LibreOffice tools via UT's Morph browser.
 @M4rcosG4briel [is it possible to use onlyoffice on Ubuntu touch?], [Edit] Probably not - perhaps if someone made a webapp for it's online version.  I tried OnlyOffice desktop on my x86 HP tablet running Makulu Shift (Ubuntu 20.04 base) yesterday and couldn't even get it to work there.
 christmas day has come!
[03:12] <ubptgbot> vijror was added by: vijror
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 Just out of curiousity, Ubuntu Touch relies on surfaceflinger, or no?
 OTA-13 just got release and I'm already excited for OTA-14 … looks like multi-monitor and workspace support is slated for this OTA 😁
 my problem is, I'm not sure if any of Nexus 5s still have working external display 😅
[04:43] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> What does OTA stand for?
 I think Over the Air, meaning online updates
 Boot time seems really slow with OTA13 on Nexus 5
[06:08] <ubptgbot> <Captain Pugwash> Still eagerly awaiting GPS to get enabled on the pinephone.
 @Captain Pugwash [Still eagerly awaiting GPS to get enabled on the pinephone.], that's already working right? well I haven't really tried it yet myself but I think it works already
[06:33] <ubptgbot> <Captain Pugwash> Doesn't seem to be working yet
 @Javacookies [that's already working right? well I haven't really tried it yet myself but I th …], Nope: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone#what-works-what-doesnt
 @jonny [Nope: https://gitlab.com/ubports/community-ports/pinephone#what-works-what-doesn …], hmmm, I'm pretty sure I read it multiple times that they said it should be working...oh well 😄
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 Is this a known issue with libertine?
 It also tried to delete /dev/*
 @TotalSonic [Firefox works fine in Libertine though with OTA13], Imma use the deb probably
 Is there anyway to reset the rootfs? Preferrably without the installer, as my laptop still messed up
 can somebody points me to a doc or the steps to get halium 7.1 image installed on my N5 ?
 @lduboeuf [can somebody points me to a doc or the steps to get halium 7.1 image installed o …], In the forum https://forums.ubports.com/post/26668
 oh nice i mssed that one, thx :)
 [Edit] oh nice i missed that one, thx :)
 @Hannah122 [Is there anyway to reset the rootfs? Preferrably without the installer, as my la …], if it still boots, you can switch channel
[08:14] <ubptgbot> Halfcheez was added by: Halfcheez
[08:54] <ubptgbot> NoDataMusic was added by: NoDataMusic
 For Mi a3 ? 🥺
 What apps don't work in OTA-13 on Xperia X?
[09:07] <ubptgbot> Kaizennn was added by: Kaizennn
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [What apps don't work in OTA-13 on Xperia X?], I haven't switched yet to stable but if it's correct that it's arm64 then apps that don't have arm64 builds likr Bluetooth Transfer app
[09:12] <ubptgbot> eallion was added by: eallion
 @Javacookies [I haven't switched yet to stable but if it's correct that it's arm64 then apps t …], It is armhf!
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [It is armhf!], really? I thought it'll be arm64. If it's armhf then all apps should be working
 @Javacookies [really? I thought it'll be arm64. If it's armhf then all apps should be working], On OTA-13 I used 2 app, uAdBlock and camera. The first crash immediately, the second crash immediately and crash also lomiri and you must reset the phone. One solution, comeback to devel channel.
[10:05] <ubptgbot> Gal_lil was added by: Gal_lil
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [On OTA-13 I used 2 app, uAdBlock and camera. The first crash immediately, the se …], If you had an armhf system installed before you need to reinstall all apps. There is a button for that in the system settings
 @jonny [If you had an armhf system installed before you need to reinstall all apps. Ther …], I'll do it!
 I'm trying to switch to stable now but I can't 😅 … switching to RC shows image 4 but stable won't show anything … and there are 2 devel channels
 I haven't updated on devel for quite a while though
 The two devel channels are 32 and 64 bit
 First one should be 64
 Always make sure to install pending updates befor switching I guess
[10:56] <ubptgbot> Sid127 was added by: Sid127
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 @Javacookies [OTA-13 just got release and I'm already excited for OTA-14 … looks like multi-moni …], slow down cowboy first we need the upgrade xD
 yeah, I can't even switch to stable on my xperia x 😊
 @Hannah122 [Is there anyway to reset the rootfs? Preferrably without the installer, as my la …], yes you can ssh in and run `sudo system-image-cli -b 0 --progress=dots` iirc
 [Edit] yeah, I can't even switch to stable on my xperia x 😅
 ohw wait without a laptop 😅
 @Javacookies [yeah, I can't even switch to stable on my xperia x 😅], oof hmm
 @NoDataMusic [For Mi a3 ? 🥺], if you're device is not listed on devices.ubuntu-touch.io. we need you to port it. visit docs.halium.org to get started
 maybe the gradual release of OTA-13 is still not completed so my xperia x can't see an update when switching to stable. I guess I'll wait for now
 wasn't there a command you were suppose to use to get it atm?
 I guess but I want to use the normal way 😄
 ah
 was the xperia x added to the installer this ota or something?
 [Edit] was the xperia x added to the installer this ota?
 it has been in the installer for quite some tim but stable channel starts with OTA13
 ah now i get it
 guess in the meantime we need to see how many apps needs a rebuilt then xD
 tho i honestly think the bt tranfer needs to be integrated into the system at some point
[13:15] <ubptgbot> dokie80 was added by: dokie80
 Hi all....
 Quick question: do I have to enable something to use convergence? … I just received my slimport, but getting no display on monitor
 I'm using nexus5 on 16.04 (ota-13) 9/22
 9/22 is last updated. Sorry
[13:19] <ubptgbot> obujor was added by: obujor
 @dokie80 [Quick question: do I have to enable something to use convergence? … I just receive …], external display should just work with slimport adapter. most common issue is either adapter is not slimport, or you need a different HDMI cable
 Hi all, I'm interested to try Ubuntu Touch, what is the best device to start with? It's still the Nexus 5? I would like to try convergence as well. Thanks!
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[14:21] <ubptgbot> Yael was added by: Yael
 @dohbee [external display should just work with slimport adapter. most common issue is ei …], So I just need to enable external display in the setting?
 @dokie80 [So I just need to enable external display in the setting?], no. there's only wireless display stuff in settings. assuming the hardware is all good, when you plug in slimport adapter and external monitor, it should just work
 Do I have to setup libertine?
 no
 as i said, if it doesn't just work so that you get display on your external monitor, then it's almost certainly an issue with the hardware
 Okay. Thanks alot Rodney.
 Yeah. I guess so 😢. too bad.
 which adapter did you buy?
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[14:47] <ubptgbot> vladislav00h was added by: vladislav00h
 Not sure if it's fake or not.
 Around 20usd
 Tried on TV and monitor. … Tried 2 Hdmi cables
 Kiss from Russia and thank you all for your work
 Probably fake :D
 Don't have other device that support mhl, so can't try it on other device.
 @dokie80 [Don't have other device that support mhl, so can't try it on other device.], do you have another micro-B plug device that supports slimport and has android on it?
 Nope.
 @dokie80 [Don't have other device that support mhl, so can't try it on other device.], Sorry I mean support slimport
 I got S7 edge and nexus5 only
 Maybe I'll try n5 on android first later.
[15:35] <ubptgbot> GregoryMcOver was added by: GregoryMcOver
 try a shorter hdmi cable and also connect a power to the slimport adapter
 it's reall tricky to make it works because many factors that can be the reason why it's not working.
 @dokie80 [Tried on TV and monitor. … Tried 2 Hdmi cables], There are two different HDMI to micro USB standards IIRC. Maybe you need the other one?
 Or need an external power source. Might be wonky without it.
 @pv_bl [There are two different HDMI to micro USB standards IIRC. Maybe you need the oth …], The Nexus 5 is Slimport, and that adapter says "Slimport" on it
 Hello, somebody can help me with a build of Ubuntu touch ?
 @GregoryMcOver [Hello, somebody can help me with a build of Ubuntu touch ?], Please put a more specific question, that sounds really generic ^^
 @Javacookies [try a shorter hdmi cable and also connect a power to the slimport adapter], I did connect the power. No shorter Hdmi tho.
 I have a huawei bahl 09, bootloader unlocked. There is a sourse on linageos 16. I would like to build an ubuntu build, but I don't know how
 @GregoryMcOver [I have a huawei bahl 09, bootloader unlocked. There is a sourse on linageos 16. …], Well not so easy, you need in fact to port for your device, it needs kernel modifications as well as glue-scripting hardware enablement, trying out 1000 things  that might fail etc. It can take weeks to months to get 100% working. Just sayi
[16:12] <ubptgbot> ng what to expect
 Here is the start of the guide: http://docs.ubports.com/en/latest/porting/introduction.html
 @dokie80 [I did connect the power. No shorter Hdmi tho.], I see, then perhaps try a different TV/monitor or try plugging out and in thr slimport … or try different combination of which port to plug in first
 I have 2 Nexus 5 and I think more than 5 slimport adapters and it can be tricky make it work 😅
 @Flohack [Well not so easy, you need in fact to port for your device, it needs kernel modi …], As far as I understand, I have already tried to compile the kernel for nethunter. fail. I think it won't work here either?
 D
 Depends. Official LineageOS kernels should build without issues. I never saw any problems with that
 If you want to know for sure then first try to build LineageOS yourself, before trying to port
 @dokie80 [I did connect the power. No shorter Hdmi tho.], are you using actual computer monitor, or a TV or such for this?
 Both
 Tried on TV and monitor with no success
 The thing is, I'm from Russia. And I don't really understand you
 thx you for advice
 @GregoryMcOver [The thing is, I'm from Russia. And I don't really understand you], We have a Russian language group they might be able to help
 Try https://t.me/UBports_Ru
 thx
 Not working on stock firmware too 😅
[17:04] <ubptgbot> abbi_lyn was added by: abbi_lyn
 hmm, I wonder why reinstall all apps won't actually reinstall all apps … there select apps that don't get included
 they are not available for arm64?
 how hard is to to compile an app for arm64?   I'm missing a next cloud sync like  ubsync ( i think that's what it was called)   would provide
 @Dark_Thaddeus [how hard is to to compile an app for arm64?   I'm missing a next cloud sync like …], if there's a working click package, should be a matter of passing -arch arm64 to clickable or so
 @mzanetti [if there's a working click package, should be a matter of passing -arch arm64 to …], oh sweet .  /me goes n googles
 @dohbee [they are not available for arm64?], they do, I just needed to reinstall them via openstore
 @Dark_Thaddeus [how hard is to to compile an app for arm64?   I'm missing a next cloud sync like …], oh I didn't know ubsync isn't available on arm64. I also need it....hmmm....looks like I'm missing a number of apps switching to arm64 😅
 How do I remove all the extra languages and that in Ubuntu touch?
 You don't. Unless you're modifying the rootfs and don't care anyway, then `apt remove` the language packs. They'll be put back whenever they change on an update though.
 Yeah i understand they'll be added, I need space for Firefox xD
 Does Firefox in the rootfs work in a way that Firefox in Libertine does not?
 Idk
 Libertine crashes my phone
 I suspect that there will be no difference, but good luck
 Any app?
 @UniversalSuperBox [Any app?], ?
 Does any application in Libertine crash your phone?
 If you need space and you're happy to mess around with the rootfs, why not extend it.  Then you won't have a problem longer-term.
 [Edit] If you need space and you're happy to mess around with the rootfs, why not extend it?  Then you won't have a problem longer-term.
 @UniversalSuperBox [Does any application in Libertine crash your phone?], No libertine never installs
 Settings crashea
 @imraniqbal [If you need space and you're happy to mess around with the rootfs, why not exten …], 8 GB storage :(
 You could extend to say 3GB and leave yourself 5GB instead of 6GB...
 @imraniqbal [You could extend to say 3GB and leave yourself 5GB instead of 6GB...], I might do that
 Does it work on bq e4.5
 That I don't know, depends on the partitioning scheme.
 @imraniqbal [That I don't know, depends on the partitioning scheme.], OK
 This was the post I used: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1326/help-resizing-the-root-partitiion.  Not recommended for general users.
 @imraniqbal [This was the post I used: https://forums.ubports.com/topic/1326/help-resizing-th …], IDC lmao
 I use arch btw
 I think it's more complicated on the bq E5 … If I'm not mistaken bq devices and Meizu use real partitions instead of loopbacks like on Nexus 5
 @Javacookies [I think it's more complicated on the bq E5 … If I'm not mistaken bq devices and Me …], Yes, that's the partitioning situation that I must have heard about.
 Ota-13 on Dora many apps don't open, anyone similar experience?
 @alexmigf [Ota-13 on Dora many apps don't open, anyone similar experience?], if you were using armhf rootfs before and switched to stable arm64 channel now, you will need to use the previosly mentioned "reinstall all apps" feature in system settings
 @dohbee [if you were using armhf rootfs before and switched to stable arm64 channel now, …], Ok, I will try that, thanks
 @jonny [If you had an armhf system installed before you need to reinstall all apps. Ther …], I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones that don't work: … - bluetooth; … - ebay italy (not important); … - camera (and I don't understand why since it works with the tagger and digilevel apps); …
[18:20] <ubptgbot> - gitlab (not important); … - instagraph; … - kaidan; … - pockit; … - twitter-web. … I also add that it is impossible to do the speakerphone with the app for phone calls.
 bluetooth file transfer needs to be recompiled for arm64 source at https://github.com/floop2/ubtd
 i presume its the same with the rest of that list
 some are probably oxide, which i think doesn't exist on arm64
 @Fuseteam [bluetooth file transfer needs to be recompiled for arm64 source at https://githu …], seems the click manifest is already fine for that... should be just running it through clickable indeed
 Libertine status: Removed
 What?
 I give up
 eh?
 Too much effort for a better browser tbh
 "better browser", right
 I prefer firefox
 you're going to need to do a lot more work than using libertine, to get a properly usable Firefox on UT
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones …], You could remove those and install them again via OpenStore. If OpenStore does not find one, then an arm64 click for that app was not provided by the maintainer.
 me too but i think the best way would be to run firefox through clickable and adapt its interface
 @dohbee [you're going to need to do a lot more work than using libertine, to get a proper …], I know
 @Fuseteam [me too but i think the best way would be to run firefox through clickable and ad …], Yeah but I lazy
 Idk how to click able
 I know apt xD
 it's fairly easy tbh, once you get it building that is
 @Fuseteam [it's fairly easy tbh, once you get it building that is], Lol
 I about to lose wifi
 Speak later xD
 i have tried several like https://gitlab.com/fusekai/Surfer
 but uhhh no dice yet hehe
 [Edit] but uhhh no dice yet hehehehe
 I don't see how firefox will be better … Sure it has more features than morph but its UI isn't mobile optomized … distors on the pinephone try to make it fit and usable and I think it's still not good
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones …], some don't have arm64 builds and some use oxide (old webengine) so they won't work anymore
 yeah the UI is probably the final hurdle tbh
 first the click then the rest xD
 @Javacookies [some don't have arm64 builds and some use oxide (old webengine) so they won't wo …], which webengine is is used nowadays?
 qtwebengine
 besides even if firefox is installable morph is not removable
 I think porting apps from Oxide to WebView shouldn't be too hard. IIRC the api was 80% the same... Message passing was a little bit different
 but it's been a while
 @Javacookies [I don't see how firefox will be better … Sure it has more features than morph but …], I wonder why none of distros tried to run it in Kiosk mode and ressurect FirefoxOS/B2G UI
 yeah, I think it'll be quite easy but I guess most of the ones that still use oxide are the "abandoned" ones
 @NotKit [I wonder why none of distros tried to run it in Kiosk mode and ressurect Firefox …], mayba that was removed already? I don't know....
 oh well, I guess with OTA 13 released and more arm64 devices, there will be effort to bring older apps to arm64. It's just a matter of someone starting it 😄
[18:46] <lejocelyn> ubports on Pinephone is quite interesting !!
[18:46] <lejocelyn> Just got it started from an sdcard
 @Javacookies [oh well, I guess with OTA 13 released and more arm64 devices, there will be effo …], Thats why Android has java, no one gives a f about arch and its much easier for devs (for simple apps)
 Also we do not support older sdks, so apps need to be constantly recompiled we should change this in the future
 And between Nexus 4 and 5 what Is better? How UT runs?
 Thx 😁
 @Gabriele [And between Nexus 4 and 5 what Is better? How UT runs?], I understand that the Nexus 5 experience is better overall.
[19:02] <lejocelyn> can I update my UT from the command line to the new version?
 @lejocelyn [can I update my UT from the command line to the new version?], Yes scroll up
 Dalton sent instruction
 Fwd from UniversalSuperBox: Ubuntu Touch OTA-13 has been released at 1% phase for testing the upgrader. If you're chomping at the bit to upgrade your device on the stable channel, you may run `sudo system-image-cli --progress=dots -p 1` to get the update right meow.
 Here
[19:06] <lejocelyn> Hannah122, what does it do exactly ? download an image and upgrade the system ?
[19:06] <lejocelyn> can't do it with apt-get ?
 @lejocelyn [can't do it with apt-get ?], You must not use apt with Ubuntu Touch (only with Libertine)
 @lejocelyn [Hannah122, what does it do exactly ? download an image and upgrade the system ?], Yes
 @lejocelyn [can't do it with apt-get ?], you can but it's not the same and may actually break the system
[19:17] <ubptgbot> TRASHMAN707 was added by: TRASHMAN707
 hi how bout for redmi note 4x(mido) is there any stable yet?
[19:20] <lejocelyn> can I make the microphone and headphone work with Ubports on a pinephone?
 @Javacookies [oh I didn't know ubsync isn't available on arm64. I also need it....hmmm....look …], sadly it isn't as simple as —arch arm64 :(
 oohh maybe it is. i just had to update the manifest.json.in to have a arm64
[19:32] <lejocelyn> can I install ubuntu packages on UT ?
[19:33] <lejocelyn> do I just have to settup the repositories ?
 @lejocelyn [can I install ubuntu packages on UT ?], you can create a libertine container and install legacy or CLI apps in it
 on pinephone though, X11 apps will not work yet
[19:43] <lejocelyn> ok, thanks
[20:04] <lejocelyn> hum, the graphical software installer does not support switching to another software while the installation is being processed ?
[20:05] <lejocelyn> everytime I do something else to not watch the progress bar but go on the web, the installation process is restarted
[20:08] <lejocelyn> it would be better if at least the package being downloaded was kept in cache
 @lejocelyn [everytime I do something else to not watch the progress bar but go on the web, t …], @neothethird ? YOu mean UBports Installer?
 That would be a new property, never saw this before
 No, the open-store
 ah sry for ping then lol
[20:09] <lejocelyn> the open-store
[20:10] <lejocelyn> UBports installer, what is it for ?
 Installing the os
[20:10] <lejocelyn> ah ok
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/1XM6vGC2.mp4
[20:11] <lejocelyn> I was using UBports through the multiple distro demo image
 @lejocelyn [I was using UBports through the multiple distro demo image], Ahh cool
 Not official remember though
[20:12] <lejocelyn> true
[20:12] <lejocelyn> the author says some stuff works better, some do not :)
[20:14] <lejocelyn> it gives an idea of various OS available for the Pinephone
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I I installed the OTA-13 and reinstalled the apps, this is the list of the ones …], oh yeah, oxide is gone in arm64 so I think that is why most of those webapps don't work
[20:47] <ubptgbot> Medrod Kuzma was added by: Medrod Kuzma
 @mateosalta [oh yeah, oxide is gone in arm64 so I think that is why most of those webapps don …], I know, but there was apps without oxide and I don't know why, I must restart the phone 2 times and now work fine!
 oh that is good
[21:59] <ubptgbot> <Medrod Kuzma> https://bit.ly/2RMCjN7
 @NotKit [I wonder why none of distros tried to run it in Kiosk mode and ressurect Firefox …], Like kaios?
 @lejocelyn [can't do it with apt-get ?], Apt doesn't work with system images
 @BigRockLonelyWolf [I know, but there was apps without oxide and I don't know why, I must restart th …], Arm64 :p
 So guys how the installation process usually
 Hows
[23:43] <ubptgbot> Mirek190 was added by: Mirek190
 Hello
 @LIFELIKE83 [So guys how the installation process usually], what do you mean?
 @Mirek190 [Hello], welcome