=== benfrancis8 is now known as benfrancis === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:51] if I want to provide a file server via web access to users whats the best combo of programs/services are best practices for linux ... windows I know but no linux [01:52] not something a sensible Unixy sysadmin would do, but [01:52] you can get webUIs for, for example, vsftpd [01:52] Donavan01, there's lots of "home cloud" software for that [01:53] Donavan01, are you just wanting to provide a web-based client to files on a system? no prob. lots of stuff for that [01:55] im not looking for home setup eventually I hope to expose this thing to the world ...working on a business with a freind and one of the aspects is we need to have a file drop for people to upload things and download them if I were using windows it would be super easy for me but not so much linux.... should I effectively build a database and just let the database be accesable or is it better to have linux do it at the system level [01:58] Donavan01, then you need help from experts [01:59] Donavan01, not just random ppl on IRC [01:59] im sure and they often hang out in here === zbenjamin is now known as Guest96653 === zbenjamin_ is now known as zbenjamin [01:59] Donavan01, but more help than can be feasibly provided over chat [01:59] I'm such an expert, but it's unfeasible to do this over cheat [01:59] chat [02:00] im not looking for a how to im just wanting to know which is the best route something like an ftp with ssl or something more database driven [02:00] neither [02:01] I just dont know the names of things to start looking them up and looking up file server and linux gives you way too much [02:01] retran ok what is the best option here [02:02] there's no one route, you have to spec out a software suite [02:03] suggestion for this ... this is what I mean I dont know the products in linux ive been stuck in windows land most of my career not for lack of trying on my part [02:03] there's no "products" to do what you're talking about out of the box [02:03] you have to assemble stuff together custom [02:04] hire a programmer [02:04] or learn to program [02:06] Donavan01, maybe I'm misunderstanding [02:06] Donavan01, I think you might be fine with a personal cloud [02:14] Donavan01, what I would highly recommend, instead of doing this yourself, or anything custom, is to get a Google G-Suite account [02:14] Donavan01, or office365 [02:14] Donavan01, they're SO CHEAP and good [02:14] Donavan01, they have both email and file sharing and document sharing all comes with their basic account [02:15] no your not misunderstanding I intend to make these machines of mine person clouds for my clients I want system level control over the files and a way to show it to them in a web format... I will level what ever langauge is needed (already got a bunch under my belt that are far less useful) I just dont know what the linux world looks at as the best for things like scripting is java king, python, php ... is ftp on if im using SSL with it or is there [02:15] a better solution [02:15] How do I install traceroute on Ubuntu 18? [02:15] Donavan01, sounds like you're the wrong person to be setting this up for clients [02:15] Donavan01, it's not some trivial thing [02:16] I just cant afford the licensing for windows server so I need to the linux route I just dont know what is best over here and googling isnt giving me any clue === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [02:16] Donavan01, it's more than just downloading (or buying) the right software [02:16] retran I have 25 years of system admin experience I think I can handle new technology [02:16] Donavan01, you have to know how to configure it [02:16] Donavan01, why are you in here asking these kind of basic questions like you don't have a clue then? [02:16] I just havnet done much in linus which is why I am asking [02:17] Donavan01, from the type of questions you're asking, and the words you are using, I doubt you can handle it [02:17] no offense [02:17] you might be qualified for the business side [02:17] just not actually doing it :) [02:17] You gotta start with gentoo [02:17] semitones, lol!!! [02:17] If you can master that [02:17] You can do anything [02:17] stahp that [02:18] semitones, evil [02:18] becasue what is true in windows land doesnt always hold true in linux world and I was trying to find out if what I thought was best practices might have been a glarring flaw because of the difference in the files systems for example [02:18] Donavan01, this has nothing to do with Windows vs. Linux. you aren't getting it [02:18] just stop saying "windows land" and stuff, for a start [02:18] get that out of your head [02:18] you keep naming off services and technologies [02:19] but have yet to present a cohesive problem for any of us to actually solve [02:19] mihael: does "sudo apt install traceroute" work? [02:19] OMV might be nice for what you're trying to use but it's also finicky [02:20] yeah it kinda does when im talking about file storage yes I understand the the web component isnt however last time I set up a linux web server was about 12 years so im not up on what the best programs still are is it samba ... I dont know which is why im asking a broad question and giving examples [02:20] mihael: I dont have an 18.04 to test [02:20] Donavan01: check out the open media vault project - they have an awesome forum with a bunch of great guides too [02:20] Donavan01, just setup sftp in your ssh config, change the home dir of the users that will upload files, and point your ngnix instance to these folders, adjust permissions accordingly, password protect if needed [02:21] *sftp chroot jails [02:21] maybe setgid on the folders, so the content will be created with proper group permissions [02:22] you see retran, wasn't that hard [02:22] pavlos: No it doesn't. "E: Package 'traceroute' has no installation candidate" [02:23] derpadmin, lol [02:24] derpadmin, semitones ... thank you [02:24] derpadmin, I feel for his poor customers [02:25] mihael: I started a VM to test ... wait a bit [02:25] check this Donavan01 https://200013.net/doc/LINUX/ssh+sftp+sshfs/chroot_+_force_sftp.txt [02:29] mihael: I was able to install on 18.04 server [02:30] mihael: do you have universe repo enabled? [02:32] how do I enable that? [02:32] so it is disabled by default? [02:32] mihael: You can enable it in the gui, let me find out [02:33] I enabled it via: `sudo add-apt-repository universe` [02:34] ok,do a sudo apt update first then try to install traceroute [02:38] it should install version 2.1.0 [02:41] https://imgur.com/a/qm3cifI [02:51] hello im having trouble running fsck, can't get it to work during reboot with touch /forcefsck, won't work at command line, won't umount during reboot, parted wouldn't umount either. How do I run a fsck? [02:56] i had a power outage, is fsck the only thing for checking integrity? [02:56] neteffect: some details, are you on 20.04? [02:56] 18.04 [02:56] .5 [02:57] shutdown -rF now will reboot your system and run an fsck [02:57] ok i'll try that ty [03:00] take a look at your /etc/fstab, the last column is to check fs for the root / partition is should be 1 (not 0) [03:00] oh i'll do that now [03:01] it is 1 [03:01] example: UUID=778636d8-22cc-476f-b801-ff9f5ac9ef5d / ext4 errors=remount-ro 0 1 <------------------------------- see the one [03:01] but i reboot and it's still 1 [03:01] yeah it says 1 === [1]MrMobius is now known as MrMobius [03:01] it will remain one [03:01] oh [03:02] but if you touch /forcefsck, after reboot and fsck, that filw will be gone [03:02] file* [03:02] i never see fsck during reboot [03:05] its like it doesn't run [03:05] I think you can pass -V for verbose output ... [03:06] am trying to force my VM to do that ... [03:06] i can't ever get it to run [03:06] dunno how to pass -V to touch /forcefsck [03:08] i see gparted has a check, can't get that to work [03:09] if you're running on sda1 you cannot unmount it. You have to run from another place to unmount sda1 and fsck [03:09] k [03:10] gparted will not let you unmount the running system [03:10] oh [03:10] can you boot off an live iso, then fsck your disk? [03:11] that is pretty good idea [03:11] live iso will be in ram (try ubuntu), your disk sda1 or sda2 can be fsck'd [03:13] + [03:13] ok [03:25] pavlos, hey thank you, live cd was much easier [03:26] glad it helped === leaftype2 is now known as leaftype [04:13] so, I updated ubuntu today [04:13] and no I have no audio' [04:13] can anyone help? === Kel is now known as Guest15577 === Kel_ is now known as Kel [06:14] I removed tracker-miner-fs from /lib/systemd/system but it still gets called at startup. How can I make it stop working? [06:17] hi there everyone [06:17] whenever I install a new operating system there is a power cut like the whole city loses its power [06:18] It feels like someone tries to inject the newly installed operating system with a malware that needs a forced system reboot [06:18] how well protected is ubuntu againsts such attacks? [06:18] and how can I detect those? [06:18] I mean aside from the usual NSA and other kinds of backdoors (just kidding) [06:19] :) [06:19] cucumber: you know this channel is for support only, this sounds more offtopic to me [06:19] Maik [06:19] Yes I do [06:19] cucumber: Uh... [06:19] well then [06:19] And I am really looking for ways to prevent tampering [06:20] Have you tried doing the install while in a massive lead vault with the machine plugged into a power generator? [06:20] I mean on the surface it might look like I be trolling, but I really am not [06:20] All your packets need to be printed onto paper, analyzed and hand entered into the machine [06:20] jdgr I don't have a power generator [06:20] take it offtopic please [06:21] ok [06:21] alright [06:21] :( [06:21] thanks :) [06:29] no Maik thank you for being as tolerant as possible I understand [06:29] no worries [06:29] :) [06:29] but generally speaking how can an os be protected against exploits? [06:29] not just ubuntu, but any OS [06:29] !discuss | cucumber [06:29] cucumber: Want to talk about Ubuntu, but don't have a support question? /join #ubuntu-discuss for non-support Ubuntu discussion, or try #ubuntu-offtopic for general chat. Thanks! [06:29] not here cucumber [06:29] ok thanks [06:42] hey looking for an autohotkey alternative... i would like to write a program that i can type a short sequence of words...suchas selenium_boiler_plate and it would return text from a file that i have written, and this would be available to any application suchas gedit, any ideas? [06:43] so basically an alias anywhere [07:26] on ubuntu 18.04, when I Alt-Space to get the window properties menu, how do i select a setting to change without mouse use? Cursor keys work but neither Enter nor Space select [07:26] only left mouse click seems to work [07:30] jelly, enter selects for me (I'm not on 18.04/bionic though sorry) [07:50] probably got fixed [07:51] guiverc, which release are you on? [07:53] groovy [08:46] Is there any reason my Weather panel item stop working showing forecast data ? [08:46] https://docs.xfce.org/panel-plugins/xfce4-weather-plugin at Ubuntu 19.10 === Racn1d___ is now known as Ranc1d [10:02] I'm having some real trouble getting Cuda to work with Conda. When trying to use Cuda through python code, I get the error "libNVVM cannot be found".I have looked into every post and search result I can find on the topic, such as this one: stackoverflow.com/questions/…. But nothing I try seems to work.Does anyone have any idea what the cause is, [10:02] and how to fix it? I'm guessing it has to do with adding some export lines to .bashrc, but I can't seem to get them right [10:02] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/48385686/cuda-library-nvvm-not-found [10:34] does anyone have any insights into how to get cuda to work with conda? I get the error "libNVVM cannot be found", and no search result on the matter seems to be able to assist me [11:15] hm. this is weird [11:17] so I changed a dns entry, and restarted the supervisor services serving our api backend. thing is that the dns entries now should have different content, but they didn't. [11:19] martti, then the caching must be somewhere else [11:19] I even restarted systemd-resolved and it still didn't work. only restarting supervisor after restarting resolved did the trick, but now I wonder how systemd services appear to have a localized dns cache? [11:20] which seems very surprising to me. [11:24] hmm. === mort is now known as mortbot === mortbot is now known as mort [11:24] maybe when I restarted resolved the new dns settings weren't actually updated on wherever my hosts get their dns [11:28] according to https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/940 dig even circumvents nss/resolved completely, meaning that my attempts to debug the issue, too, may have been nonsensical. [11:40] ubuntu help out pls [11:40] I am trying to run a compile script on an exfat drive [11:40] the script fails due to failed symlinks on exfat [11:40] apparently exfat doesn't support symlinks [11:41] is it possible to simulate symlinks so I can run this compile script without finding or ordering another HDD just for this one task [11:42] tmpfs should support symlinks. that means that you mount a ram disk to work on. if you have enough memory, harware-wise [11:46] Out of curiosity: who decided to make downloading Ubuntu Server require 5 clicks from the homepage [11:46] including two clicks on very small blue "Option 2" and "Option 3" links? [11:59] lukegb: that guy "ubottu" [11:59] he's the mastermind [12:00] damn ubottu! *shakes fist* === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [12:07] Hi all [12:07] hi [12:07] any idea on how can i get umlauts and other special characters working with my remote irssi? [12:08] when i type a with two dots, i see 2 question marks, and when i push enter, i see it correctly, but i bet none of you see it correctly?? Ã¤ [12:09] i am using gnome-terminal with full utf-8 support enabled [12:09] i used to have the special characters working while using Gentoo [12:10] so i think (but might be wrong) that the problem is local, not at the server side.....? [12:12] Hejkki: set up your remote LANG/locale-genamajick [12:13] and how will i do that? [12:14] https://askubuntu.com/a/89983 [12:17] the problem might be local, though, yes [12:17] :) === martti is now known as mar77i [12:28] Ping me testing setup on done thanks [12:28] fone [12:29] come again? [12:29] This client look bare as on android lols [12:29] Thanks [12:40] so... i read that swap is basically 1:1 reflecting the RAM [12:40] meaning my swap should have the same size as my RAM, aye? [12:42] unless that information i found on the internets is outdated and really true, i can't understand why my system has 32 GB of RAM while swap is reporting 2 GB [12:43] i mean if it's true it's totally understandable why my nagios constantly reports 0% swap left [12:43] uh, swap != ram [12:44] Koopz : it used to be true, but at 32, I would not put 64G ram [12:45] Koopz, swap is opportunistic, I personally disable it when I can on servers [12:46] so comparing several servers i have a 16 GB RAM machine with 4 GB swap, the previously mentioned 32 GB RAM machine with 2 GB swap, my mail server with 32 GB RAM and 16 GB swap and a webserver with 64 GB RAM and 32 GB swap [12:47] looks like my dev machine is misconfigured [12:47] it won't hurt you either [12:48] you can use fileswap as well [12:48] so that way, you can skip the swap partition [12:48] in theory swapping would only be needed if my system's load requires more RAM than physically available right [12:48] and come back and add a swap file if needed [12:49] Koopz, incorrect, it is opportunistic, it will move less frequent access to swap [12:49] but you can change the behavior with "swapiness" [12:49] to get exactly what you describe [12:50] swapiness 0 if I recall [12:51] i should rather find out how to limit this graylog instance since it apparently takes everything it wants... [12:52] Koopz, maybe cgroups, not sure, but yeah, I would go with that too [13:18] Hello :) Nice to meet you ! Glad to be here :P I've been a long time macOS/windows user but just switched recentely. I would appreciate any sort of guidance please :D I seem to be having some problem with the rendering not sure how to put my finger on it but something feels very off on ubuntu 20.04 :( I'm using a RTX2070 and have 2 27" 1080p [13:18] monitors. When the window is minimized the rendering seems okay but when it's maximized the text and sub elements seem a bit skewed if that makes sense ? Like they are a bit more wide than normal [13:18] Is there a setting I'm missing somewhere ? Looked in nvidia panel but couldn't find anything [13:21] Caim2f: What do your display settings look like? [13:21] I think it might be just Chromium that's bugged though [13:21] Firefox works fine? [13:22] Yes [13:22] Let me check some things on my machine [13:22] * Texas uses FF when on ubuntu [13:22] Also in Nvidia X Server settings in X Server Display Configuration I see this bug [13:22] where I have the 2 monitors [13:23] If i maximize the window the 2 subelements don't scale properly [13:24] Caim2f: Have you rebooted your OS since making these configuration changes? [13:24] Yes. Been using this for almost one week :D [13:25] Caim2f: And this has been happening the whole time you had it? And only a chromium issue? [13:26] hrm [13:26] chromium works fine for me maximized... [13:28] Caim2f: What nvidia driver do you have installed? [13:28] Yes . MAybe I'm just imagining things ? [13:28] 450.66 [13:28] Can you see this ? https://share.icloud.com/photos/0ubtef-seisG8GqMBsS10bFFg [13:30] Caim2f: Yes, I can. Looking now. [13:32] Should I override Antialiasing in nvidia settings or leave it on default ? What settings do you use ? I've enabled the Force Composition Pipeline also because was having some problem with tearing while playing videos. [13:33] I don't use nvidia [13:37] Caim2f: Sorry, but I have to go do something very urgent for work but if you wish to stick around, perhaps someone else could help you or I can whenever I come back [13:38] I'm thinking of ditching these displays though. Maybe 27" 1080p is not ideal . Would look into a 2k display. I can't get into 4k monitors I found the text hard to read. :D [13:38] Sorry I couldn't be more helpful :( [13:38] Sure np thanks for the help :D I'm learning something new every day :P [13:38] heh [13:38] I use mac hardware for everything lol [13:38] * Texas is an apple fanboy [13:38] I get a lot of shit for that on IRC [13:40] !ot | Texas Caim2f [13:40] Texas Caim2f: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, for all Ubuntu-related support questions. Please register with NickServ (see /msg ubottu !register) and use #ubuntu-offtopic for other topics (though our !guidelines apply there too). Thanks! [13:41] lotuspsychje: Yes, I'm aware. That's as far as I was having the conversation go. [13:42] Hello people. [13:42] I have upgraded from Ubuntu 18 to 20.04. Now the shutdown is very slow. What could the reason? [13:44] Tom01: I don't really know any reason other than it's a newer os version and there may be more things to be done on shutdown. [13:45] maybe you encountered a upgrade bug, the reason why upgrade path is not released yet. [13:46] Tom01: press F1 at shutdown to switch to text shutdown, to perhaps catch the culprit [13:46] thanks I wil try [13:48] hi Tom01 [14:12] Hi fellas [14:12] Another magical day. I am using my PC without problems. I reboot. And now Ubuntu will only use one of my monitors. [14:13] I have no idea where to start with... anyone has any suggestions? [14:14] dbugger, what does "xrandr" say? (terminal command) [14:14] dbugger: What are your display setting set to? Is the second monitor enabled? [14:15] oh wait... apparently my computer has switched to noveau... without my permission o_O [14:15] what the heck... how could that happen? [14:16] Im gonna try resetting the propietary drivers and reboot. BRB [14:18] Well, what do you know.. that fixed it [14:18] No idea how in the hell the drivers changed to noveau by themselves... === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant [14:53] I need to adjust my touchpad sensitivity settings, but its a bit hard with this xinput/synaptics variables. Is there a good gui tool that can help? === Budgii is now known as Schvitzleau === Schvitzleau is now known as Betgii === mhcerri_ is now known as mhcerri === the_ant1 is now known as the_ant === Betgii is now known as Budgii [15:31] dbugger, which Ubuntu are you running? [15:50] what's the best way to customise the MOTD w/o affecting updates, I was thinking `chmod -x`ing the files I didnt want === jeddo- is now known as jeddo [15:59] j`ey: I believe there is the /etc/motd and /etc/update-motd.d files. [16:00] yeah, so I just chmod -x some of the files in /etc/update-motd.d, I still want them to be updated by the package manager, if theyre changed upstream [16:03] j`ey: You do still want motd output, correct? [16:06] dreamscrypt: yeah, I'm just removing some parts of it [16:06] like the news / documentation bits [16:06] j`ey: Oh, ok. :) [16:07] just shows the system info now, much nicer than the big banner from before! [16:07] j`ey: I was going to mention that you could also disable the motd per user by creating a hidden .hushlogin within the users' directory. [16:08] j`ey: Sweet! :) [16:09] Is there a package for running an lxd image server? Or is that just lxd with network enabled but doesn't (necessarily) run containers itself? [16:10] how do I install mysql-connector-java for focal? I can't find it in apt [16:10] I want to have a central server that I can publish private images to that all of my nodes can pull from. [16:10] mysql-connector-java [16:10] https://askubuntu.com/q/1276942/847449 [16:13] nsaunders: Is different from libmysql-java? [16:14] longshot: I don't know [16:14] Have you tried that one yet? [16:15] it's also not in focal [16:15] Bionic was the last one https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-connector-java [16:15] I do see libmysqlclient21 but don't see anything in the documentation regarding jdbc [16:16] oerheks: yes. that's very odd. it must've been moved or renamed to something different? [16:17] regardless, I already have that installed. I don't think it has JDBC, but I'm not sure. [16:19] Well there's always this: https://dev.mysql.com/downloads/connector/j/ [16:23] longshot: you want #lxcontainers for your question [16:24] longshot: yes, thx [16:24] I'm intrigued. what's lxcontainers about? images? [16:28] I did a clean install of ubuntu this morning and found software center was not installed. I think this is a serious bug. [16:29] I did "sudo apt install gnome-software" to fix. [16:39] neteffect: btw, fsck runs in initramfs before the fisystem is mounted RW so there is no log of its activity. [16:40] filesystem* [16:47] Hello can someone tell me what kind of keyboard layout this is? https://www1.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=15205854 [16:48] it's not US apparently [16:48] even though it's very similar [16:48] US International [16:51] I would say US becaise it has a "$" sign. [16:51] Kali_Yuga: I'm curious - is this for a fresh Ubuntu install on that particular laptop? [16:52] JoeBk, many non-US layouts also have the $ there [16:52] but it has a euro sign with alt-gr 5 [16:52] ^ [16:52] pavlos, hence, US International [16:52] international, with the € on 5 [16:53] what happens when you set it to US? [16:54] JoeBk, the euro sign might stop working :) [16:54] but really , US International mostly means you enable 'dead keys' for turning 'e into é [16:56] it was English (intl. with AltGr dead keys) [16:56] thank you guys [16:58] Can someone help me setup the thumb button on the mx master logitech mouse on Ubuntu 20.04. Thank you. [16:59] How to temporary comment-out an apt PPA? It's .list file resides in etc/apt/sources.list.d/target.list [17:00] if it's just temporarily, the easiest way is to rename the file to target.list.disabled [17:01] or uncheck in softwaresettings? [17:01] you'll get warnings about this when running apt update but they're warnings, not errors, non-fatal [17:01] right, if it has a graphical desktop this would be even easier [17:02] dr`venom: https://askubuntu.com/questions/973713/logitech-mx-master-thumb-button-with-ubuntu [17:02] leibniz[m]: software-properties-gtk --open-tab=1 [17:03] Kali_Yuga, the shape of the Enter means it is -not- English [17:03] Kali_Yuga, but you won't notice until you try using the key above tab or one or two other keys [17:04] tomreyn: I changed it to .disabled. no warnings [17:04] `linux-image-5.4.0-48-generic` What is this? [17:08] leibniz[m]: the name of a kernel image package? [17:09] leibniz[m]: apt show linux-image-5.4.0-48-generic [17:11] tomreyn: Is it the latest linux kernel? [17:11] Why after downloading it, apt asks again to autoremove it [17:12] are you sure it is the same number it wants to autoremove? [17:12] * leibniz[m] sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/mISjPHDeEjlGQRYMqAMVAlyZ/message.txt > [17:12] leibniz[m], that message was too long for irc [17:13] but, i clicked on the url for you, and it says -45- [17:13] not -48- [17:13] Habbie: Sorry...ah thanks. so it asks to remove the older version [17:13] But still, I'm on Xubuntu 18.04...are linux kernels still provided for it? [17:13] hi , i am getting error on a DSL/PPPoE 'your current network has a .local domain which is not recommended and incompatible with the avahi" [17:14] (to be fair, we also would not have liked it if your four lines still came into irc) [17:14] Shouldn't they provide only for 20.04? [17:14] leibniz[m], 18.04 should get updates until 2023 i believe? [17:14] what does the message mean ? [17:14] nbusrone, is something, that is not avahi, trying to use .local? [17:14] Habbie: Is that linux kernel updates? [17:14] leibniz[m], also, yes [17:15] leibniz[m], oh! it's 2021 for xubuntu - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOL [17:15] leibniz[m], although i suppose kernels are not xubuntu-specific and would get updates until 2023 still [17:16] Habbie: So in terms of kernel, it doesn't matter which distro I use? Arch would also have 5.4.0-48? [17:16] no, Arch would likely have something newer [17:16] '-48' means ubuntu applied 48 updates on top of kernel.org's 5.4.0 [17:16] ubuntu, like debian, does not just import full new versions into an existing release [17:16] they only import security fixes, other important fixes, and a few other exceptions [17:16] Habbie: What features are coming from kernel? driver support? [17:17] leibniz[m], driver support, google for 'ubuntu hwe' i think, but i could be outdated on that [17:18] Habbie: I'm actually using i3wm. I should have used ubuntu-minimal or debian, right? [17:18] leibniz[m], makes sense to me yes [17:18] so I went through and took out all the entries in passwd and shadow that did not seem to be associated with any service or feature I could follow. all good. now on reboot, 5 users are consistently (repeatedly) added back into both the passwd and shadow file. I want to figure out where this is happening, and having trouble. how do I read the scripts/process for bootup on 20.04.01 LTS/Focal ? [17:18] Kireji, what users? [17:19] 1ec [17:19] 1 sec [17:19] lp,news,irc,list,gnats [17:20] and, if they are part of packages still on my machine that I don't need, I want to remove those packages. I can't seem to find any indication gnats is on this machine, for example [17:21] I did a sudo search through the entire /etc/ filetree, and found nothing there that would indicate a script that adds those users back into passwd and shadow [17:22] I also want to read up on how the standard boot process is **re-writing my passwd file** --- this does not seem reasonable to me [17:22] Kireji, some groups and users are hardcoded in the OS [17:22] even if you never have a user member of group "admin" to read logs, the group will exist [17:23] jelly: are there docs on this? which users? what are they used for? [17:23] not sure about Ubuntu, but upstream lists them in Debian Policy [17:23] jelly: not worried about groups - that I can fully understand, sharing and all. this is about users [17:24] "they used for? [17:24] Kireji, if those 'users' are program names and end with :/usr/sbin/nologin, don't worry [17:24] leave them be. You'll be asked to recreate them on the next release upgrade. [17:24] "upstream lists them in Debian Policy" googling [17:24] oerheks: I'm not worried, I'm curious [17:24] I want to understand boot [17:25] https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#users-and-groups [17:26] Kireji, basically, you shouldn't touch users and groups with uid or gid <= 99 [17:27] Kireji, you'll find templates in /usr/share/base-passwd/ [17:27] and docs in base-passwd package docs. [17:27] under /usr/share/doc/base-passwd [17:28] "basically, you shouldn't touch" <== some Microsoft-level admin coddling, imo [17:29] where's the lib directory for BaseX which was installed from apt? I'm trying to add a JDBC driver. [17:29] nsaunders: could be dpkg -L packagename | grep -i lib would tell you [17:29] it's an open source os for a reason. we can understand what it does [17:29] Kireji, the implied "without good reason" is implied [17:30] exactly [17:30] which is *why( I want to read the script to see the reasons for them being added in [17:30] I have good reasons for removing them [17:30] read the docs, many of those are legacy but not all [17:30] some are used by packages that are optional [17:30] The reasons for the different users and groups? [17:31] gnats is not on this server [17:31] Kireji, care to explain some of those reasons? [17:31] lp is a print daemon, and nothing will ever print on this machine [17:31] is anyone familiar with Conda, Numba and Cuda? I have installed numba and condatoolkit through conda, but when I try to use cuda in a python script I get the error: libNVVM cannot be found [17:32] Kireji, you don't need those. Do you actually gain anything by removing them, except for adding extra changes compared to a default install? [17:32] I'm not sure it's the daemon, but sure, to do with printing [17:32]