[00:17] <alex_jaeger> hello?
[00:21] <Bashing-om> alex_jaeger: Welcome to ubuntu support - you have a question ?
[00:21] <alex_jaeger> no, just worried I was muted, but clearly I am not
[00:21] <alex_jaeger> thanks!
[00:32] <heap_> hello, please i rebooted my ubuntu VM and instead of proper boot of system... i got a grub console :(
[00:32] <heap_> any idea what exactly should i type there to boot machine?
[00:33] <wyoung> heap_: Depends what the issue is.
[00:33] <heap_> wyoung: ;/ no idea what happened, it was running now after reboot i got grub console
[00:33] <wyoung> Did you notice any error messages?  Do you have a sticky key?
[00:33] <wyoung> CTRL+ALT+DEL
[00:34] <wyoung> Then read the error :)
[00:35] <heap_> no error
[00:35] <heap_> it just got grub console
[00:38] <heap_> wyoung: ?
[00:38] <wyoung> Press enter?
[00:39] <heap_> its GRUB CONSOLE
[00:39] <heap_> grub>
[00:40] <oerheks> just type 'exit' ?
[00:41] <heap_> nothing....
[00:42] <pavlos> ls
[00:43] <pavlos> does it list disks like (hd0,1)
[00:43] <heap_> grub> ls
[00:43] <heap_> (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos1) (cd0) (cd0,msdos5) (cd0,msdos1) (host)
[00:43] <heap_> pavlos: ^^
[00:45] <heap_> pls anyone can help?:( i had a lot of stuff there and i think it wasnt backed up ;(
[00:45] <heap_> is there a way to boot it?
[00:45] <pavlos> heap_: ls (hd0,msdos1)/ ... repeat until you find one disk that mas the pattern disk/boot/grub
[00:46] <heap_> grub>  ls (hd0,msdos1)/
[00:46] <heap_> lost+found/ initrd.img-4.4.0-178-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-184-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-157-generic System.map-4.4.0-185-generic initrd.img-4.4.0
[00:46] <heap_> -179-generic System.map-4.4.0-151-generic config-4.4.0-151-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-151-generic grub/ config-4.4.0-185-generic
[00:48] <heap_> there is no kernel or what?:(
[00:48] <heap_> pavlos: &
[00:49] <heap_> i had no clue what to do
[00:49] <wyoung> heap_: What were you doing before this happened?  Applying updaates or something?
[00:49] <heap_> wyoung: just hard reboot
[00:49] <heap_> why?
[00:49] <wyoung> You have any installation media connected to your computer?
[00:50] <heap_> no
[00:50] <pavlos> heap_: let's assume this is the disk ... "set prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/grub", then "set root=(hd0,msdos1)", then "insmod linux", then "insmod normal", then "normal" ... it should reboot
[00:50] <heap_> grub> set prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/grub
[00:50] <heap_> error: file `/grub/locale/en.mo.gz' not found.
[00:50] <heap_> :*(
[00:50] <pavlos> so grub is on another disk
[00:50] <heap_> which one?
[00:51] <heap_> grub>  ls (hd0,msdos1)/grub
[00:51] <heap_> default menu.lst unicode.pf2 i386-pc/ gfxblacklist.txt locale/ fonts/ menu.lst~ grubenv grub.cfg
[00:51] <pavlos> I guess you have to try ls disk as you did with hd0,msdos1)
[00:51] <heap_> grub>  ls (hd0,msdos1)/grub/locale
[00:51] <heap_> grub> t.mo en_CA.mo en_GB.mo en_AU.mo
[00:52] <heap_> grub> ls
[00:52] <heap_> (hd0) (hd0,msdos5) (hd0,msdos1) (cd0) (cd0,msdos5) (cd0,msdos1) (host)
[00:52] <heap_> there arent any other disks?
[00:53] <pavlos> can you check the hd0,msdos5
[00:54] <heap_> grub>  ls (hd0,msdos5)/
[00:54] <heap_> error: unknown filesystem.
[00:54] <heap_> i think there was some drive encryption
[00:54] <heap_> i mean once it booted it asked for passphrase and then continue with boot
[00:54] <pavlos> then I suggest booting off a live iso and using the chroot method to fix grub
[00:54] <heap_> it wont be possible
[00:54] <heap_> its VM inside iohybe
[00:54] <pavlos> so this is a LUKS fs?
[00:54] <heap_> iohyve
[00:54] <heap_> pavlos: yes luks fs i think
[00:55] <pavlos> well, I cannot help with LUKS
[00:55] <heap_> hm
[00:55] <heap_> i dont know if its luks
[00:55] <heap_> but it was asking for some pasphrase
[00:55] <pavlos> if it ask for a pssphrase to decrypt fs before continue, you have LUKS
[00:56] <pavlos> someone else can jump in ...
[00:56] <heap_> :(
[00:56] <heap_> is there some issue?
[00:57] <heap_> i mean is there something special that needs to be done?
[00:57] <pavlos> heap_: reading material ... https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/how-rescue-non-booting-grub-2-linux/
[00:58] <heap_> https://superuser.com/questions/1536669/grub-bootloader-with-root-luks-encryption-only-grub-shell
[00:58] <heap_> what about that one?
[00:59] <pavlos> try "ls (hd0,1)/" as the article says
[00:59] <heap_> grub> ls (hd0,1)/
[00:59] <heap_> lost+found/ initrd.img-4.4.0-178-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-184-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-157-generic System.map-4.4.0-185-generic initrd.img-4.4.0
[00:59] <heap_> -179-generic System.map-4.4.0-151-generic config-4.4.0-151-generic initrd.img-4.4.0-151-generic grub/ config-4.4.0-185-generic
[00:59] <heap_> its same
[01:00] <pavlos> there is no vmlinuz
[01:00] <heap_> yes its missing
[01:01] <pavlos> am reading the article ...
[01:03] <heap_> pavlos: is it gone?
[01:04] <pavlos> well, I dont know ... what happened? did the VM boot to grub>
[01:04] <heap_> yes
[01:05] <pavlos> when you setup the prefix (hd0,1)/grub it gave an error. right?
[01:05] <heap_> grub> cryptomount -a
[01:05] <heap_> Attempting to decrypt master key...
[01:05] <heap_> Enter passphrase for hd0,msdos5 (18b6576023224fdbada5c0adfcc8eced):
[01:05] <heap_> Slot 0 opened
[01:05] <heap_> Attempting to decrypt master key...
[01:05] <heap_> Enter passphrase for cd0,msdos5 (18b6576023224fdbada5c0adfcc8eced):
[01:08] <heap_> hi,
[01:08] <heap_> sorry
[01:18] <heap_> hi
[01:19] <heap_> if these commands passed >
[01:19] <heap_> 03:14 <heap_> grub> linux (lvm/universe--vg-root)/boot_backup/vmlinuz-4.4.0-151-generic root=/dev/system/root
[01:19] <heap_> 03:14 <heap_> grub> initrd (lvm/universe--vg-root)/boot_backup/initrd.img-4.4.0-151-generic
[01:19] <heap_> is it possible now somehow continue grub with booting process?
[01:20] <heap_> pavlos: are u around?
[01:21] <pavlos> yes
[01:22] <pavlos> I guess the pm is not working
[01:23] <pavlos> per the article, type "boot" (see Booting from grub>" section
[01:26] <heap_> pavlos: http://paste.debian.net/1164728/
[01:33] <pavlos> heap_: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/420383/configure-separated-grub-to-run-linux-from-lvm-ddrescued-device
[01:36] <heap_> pavlos: i dont know
[01:40] <pavlos> https://superuser.com/questions/1536669/grub-bootloader-with-root-luks-encryption-only-grub-shell
[01:41] <pavlos> that he one you sent
[01:41] <pavlos> the*
[01:44] <pavlos> he got it to book
[01:44] <pavlos> boot*
[01:46] <heap_> pavlos: it works!
[01:46] <pavlos> heap_: glad it worked
[01:49] <heap_> https://superuser.com/questions/1588626/grub-bootloader-with-luks-encryption-stuck/1588630#1588630
[01:49] <heap_> pavlos: thanks mate...
[01:51] <Taymon> Hi, I've got a new Dell XPS 15 and it's having persistent what-looks-like-graphics-driver-problems when running Ubuntu (example: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1yPoPnwG_fwiJAY3EAJNFBSwzrfa4Aven/view). Is there a way to judge whether this is likely to be fixable, vs. whether I'll need to exchange it for a better-supported model?
[01:55] <pavlos> the fonts are off ...
[01:55] <Taymon> Sorry, is that a reply to me?
[01:56] <pavlos> Taymon: yes
[01:56] <Taymon> The more serious problem is that the tab is overlaid with random boxes from the previous tab I was on.
[01:57] <Taymon> (Discord is the active tab in this picture; IRC was the previous tab.)
[01:58] <Taymon> I can tolerate weird-looking fonts but this makes the system nearly unusable.
[01:59] <matsaman> Taymon: what's the graphics device?
[01:59] <Taymon> Is there a command I can run to provide useful information on that?
[01:59] <Taymon> (In the meantime I'll see what was in the box.)
[02:00] <matsaman> Taymon: lspci | grep -i graphics, maybe
[02:00] <matsaman> or lspci | grep -i vga
[02:01] <tozhu> Hi, I have question, why I compiled kernel don’t had    linux-header-<version>-common    package?  what’s the command to compile it? is there anyone could point me or give a link to compile it?  thanks a lot.
[02:01] <Taymon> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)
[02:01] <matsaman> Taymon: that sound right?
[02:01] <matsaman> tozhu: what is it you're trying to accomplish?
[02:02] <oerheks> tozhu, installing headers?
[02:03] <matsaman> Taymon: how about this one: lspci -k | egrep -i 'vga|in use' | grep -i vga -A 1
[02:03] <tozhu> matsaman: I’m going to compile a new kernel: 5.8.11,  when I compiled, I just got linux-image-<version>.deb and linux-headers-<version>.deb but missing linux-headers-<version>-common.deb
[02:03] <Taymon> Manufacturer website says I got "NVIDIA(R) GeForce(R) GTX 1650 4GB GDDR5"
[02:03] <matsaman> Taymon: okay you might also have that
[02:03] <Taymon> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)	Kernel driver in use: i915
[02:04] <Taymon> Is this an indication that I have the wrong driver for my graphics card?
[02:04] <matsaman> Taymon: we'll see
[02:05] <tozhu> matsaman: do you know how to compile the linux-headers-<version>-common   packages from source?
[02:05] <tozhu> if so, would you please teach me to do that? ^_^
[02:07] <Taymon> It doesn't really make sense to "compile headers", does it? Headers are a thing that you use when compiling something else. Unless I've misunderstood what you're trying to do.
[02:07] <matsaman> Taymon: install pastebinit, then run this: cat $(ls -1rt /var/log/Xorg*log | tail -1) | pastebinit
[02:08] <Taymon> Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/bin/pastebinit", line 343, in <module>    content = sys.stdin.read()  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/codecs.py", line 322, in decode    (result, consumed) = self._buffer_decode(data, self.errors, final)UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf-8' codec can't decode byte 0x81 in position 13434: invalid start byte
[02:08] <matsaman> tozhu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[02:08] <matsaman> tozhu: why're you compiling your own kernel?
[02:08] <matsaman> Taymon: well that's disappointing
[02:09] <tozhu> there is no latest version, such as 5.8.11 which was released on Sep.23
[02:09] <Taymon> Would it help if I just uploaded the file somewhere?
[02:09] <pavlos> Taymon: at the end, it is pastebin not pastebinit
[02:10] <Taymon> pavlos: You sure about that? pastebin is not on my path and there's no package by that name. pastebinit is a package that installs a command by that name.
[02:10] <matsaman> Taymon: you could od this one, if 'curl' is installed: cat $(ls -1rt /var/log/Xorg*log | tail -1) | curl -F 'f:1=<-' ix.io
[02:10] <matsaman> could do*
[02:10] <pavlos> Taymon: example ... echo helo | pastebin it shoud give a url
[02:10] <Taymon> http://ix.io/2yKp
[02:13] <oerheks> apt install linux-headers-$(uname -r) and maybe a good start and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/BuildYourOwnKernel
[02:13] <oerheks> but generally, tozhu, you could better use the !mainline repository. for testing only.
[02:14] <oerheks> !mainline
[02:15] <matsaman> Taymon: what's dpkg -l | grep -i 'nvidia-graphics' say? What version
[02:15] <Taymon> Nothing.
[02:15] <matsaman> Taymon: how about dpkg -l | grep -i nouveau ?
[02:16] <tozhu> oerheks: matsaman:  thank you very much,   but seems it still can’t generate    linux-headers-<version>-common packages
[02:16] <tozhu> ubottu: than you
[02:16] <tozhu> thank you
[02:16] <Taymon> libdrm-nouveau2:amd64, libdrm-nouveau2:i386, xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[02:16] <Taymon> (can provide full output if needed)
[02:17] <matsaman> Taymon: alright, hummm, I wonder if you've got nouveau instead of the binary nvidia driver
[02:17] <matsaman> Taymon: so you may as well try the binary driver howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia
[02:18] <matsaman> Taymon: if that doesn't help you, you can try and make sure you've tried just nouveau also
[02:18] <matsaman> Taymon: if neither of those work, we can come back and make absolutely sure the nvidia & noueau versions you tried were the best versions you could've tried
[02:22] <Taymon> I am seeing https://drive.google.com/file/d/1uUs85M8JPh8hn9ZtCiEiPTqSXdNQyS4W/view in the settings page. Is this indicative of a problem? The wiki page seems to be showing an older version of Ubuntu and I can't tell whether it's matching what I'm supposed to see.
[02:24] <matsaman> Taymon: hrmmm, did you download and run something from nvidia.com?
[02:25] <Taymon> No.
[02:25] <oerheks> manually installed drivers..
[02:25] <oerheks> yes you did.
[02:26] <Taymon> At install time, I was prompted to enter a UEFI password as part of a driver-installation thing, and it said I'd be prompted for it again after restart, but I never was.
[02:26] <Taymon> I just now installed nvidia-driver-450 and it once again asked me to create a UEFI password.
[02:26] <Taymon> Maybe the good driver is half-installed and it's interpreting that to mean "manually installed driver" or something?
[02:27] <Taymon> I'm going to reboot now.
[02:30] <Taymon> Okay, I got a kind of confusing BIOS menu after rebooting, but I guessed what the right options to choose were, and I suppose I guessed right because my graphics card is working properly now.
[02:30] <matsaman> Taymon: hum, is this a laptop that came with GNU/Linux on it?
[02:31] <Taymon> No, it came with Windows, I installed Ubuntu after the fact.
[02:31] <matsaman> ok
[02:32] <Taymon> I guess the lesson here is that the installer makes it easy to accidentally half-install proprietary drivers and then isn't good about diagnosing when you've done this.
[02:32] <Taymon> Thanks a bunch for the help!
[02:33] <oerheks> manually installed nvidia drivers, maybe you lack the dkms package, who knows? use the official drivers from the menu or driver ppa https://launchpad.net/~graphics-drivers/+archive/ubuntu/ppa
[02:33] <oerheks> + you would get updates
[02:33] <matsaman> Taymon: could be this will say something else now: lspci -k | egrep -i 'vga|in use' | grep -i vga -A 1
[02:33] <matsaman> but if it works it works
[02:33] <Taymon> I installed nvidia-driver-450 from the Ubuntu repositories and it worked. I _think_ I started doing the same thing at install time, but then chose the wrong BIOS option after rebooting, and the install didn't finish.
[02:34] <matsaman> sounds plausible enough
[02:34] <Taymon> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation UHD Graphics 630 (Mobile)	Kernel driver in use: i915
[02:34] <matsaman> ohwell
[02:35] <matsaman> lspci | grep -i nvidia ? =)
[02:35] <Taymon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/RgZqNsCXWJ/
[02:36] <Taymon> The settings page from earlier now has all the options ungrayed, and says I'm using the recommended proprietary tested driver.
[02:36] <matsaman> okay, well, if you just run 'lspci -k | less', there might be a line saying it's using a nvidia driver
[02:36] <matsaman> sounds good
[02:36] <Taymon> Kernel driver in use: nvidia
[02:45] <homma> (Remote host closed socket)
[02:45] <homma> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)
[02:45] <homma> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)
[02:45] <homma> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)
[02:45] <homma> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)
[02:45] <homma> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)
[02:45] <homma> * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket)
[02:49] <oerheks> homma, are you using a bot or something?
[02:49] <oerheks> homma, are you using a bot or something?
[02:50] <homma> no
[02:52] <homma> https://termbin.com/l6jh
[02:55] <jayjo> What's the correct way to connect to a different serial tty in a terminal? I tried using ctl + alt + <function> and that must've switched the tty for my entire session and not just the terminal
[02:56] <homma> i don't know what happened just now,
[02:56] <homma> i sent a sentence of 18 words
[02:57] <homma> then i was muted
[02:59] <homma> https://termbin.com/l6jh
[03:00] <homma> The content of this link is the information I want to send at that time.
[03:14] <googleowner> hey how can i get my nvidia graphics card to work? it isn't getting passed the login screen
[03:15] <wyoung> googleowner: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/drivers/unix/
[03:16] <googleowner> wyoung, what should i do with the downloaded file?
[03:18] <wyoung> googleowner: execute it
[03:18] <Bashing-om> wyoung: googleowner: Don't ! Nvidia advises "Note that many Linux distributions provide their own packages of the NVIDIA Linux Graphics Driver in the distribution's native package management format. This may interact better with the rest of your distribution's framework, and you may want to use this rather than NVIDIA's official package.".
[03:18] <wyoung> Bashing-om: It sounds like the native ones didn't work.
[03:19] <oerheks> maybe it is a simple !nomodeset thingy
[03:19] <oerheks> !nomodeset
[03:19] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Secure boot on this system ? as the Nvidia driver is 3rd party, and with secure boot enabled will not load.
[03:21] <googleowner> Bashing-om i think it is how do i disable it?
[03:23] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Each manufacturer's firmware is different. All I can suggest is to look in the (bios) and see how to temporarily disable until the driver is built.
[03:23] <googleowner> Bashing-om so disabling secure-boot gets passed the login-screen problem?
[03:24] <googleowner> Errors were encountered while processing: nvidia-dkms-450 nvidia-driver-450E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:24] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Well, loading a built driver will sure go a long way.
[03:25] <googleowner> i'm having trouble installing 450
[03:25] <Bashing-om> googleowner: is secire boot now disabled ? And how did you try and install the Nvida driver ?
[03:25] <googleowner> through the repository.... the site failed too
[03:26] <Bashing-om> googleowner: The site did not fail - secure boot is foing it's job.
[03:26] <Bashing-om> doing*
[03:27] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Secure boot now disabled in (bios) ? so we can proceed to fix .
[03:27] <googleowner> oh ok going to restart
[03:40] <googleowner> hey i got my graphics card to work but the settings won't let me go 4k?
[03:42] <jayjo-> Is ubuntu using xorg? I switched the TTY using ctl + alt + f1 and I had to restart to recover. Can I just switch back to the correct TTY if i make that mistake again?
[03:43] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Pastebin ' /var/log/gpu-manager.log ' which is a log file for what the driver manager thinks.
[03:44] <jayjo-> even when I switched back to the first tty, which I thought would undo my changes, there was no file explorer and windows were displaying incorrectly
[03:45] <Bashing-om> jayjo-: Yes - the GUI desktop depends on the environment,. xfce runs the GUI in TTY7 for instance.
[03:45] <googleowner> Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/7Cm3btBZ
[03:46] <Bashing-om> googleowner: looking ^.
[03:48] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Yuk >> "Is nvidia kernel module available? no" .. what have we for the modules ' lsmod | grep nvidia ' ?
[03:49] <googleowner> Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/8mwdfGg2
[03:52] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Hummm ... nomodeset ??? .. what shows ' cat /proc/cmdline ' ?
[03:53] <googleowner> BOOT_IMAGE=/boot/vmlinuz-5.4.0-48-generic root=UUID=06382c5f-e2a2-4f24-a495-ed5a54d2bcdd ro quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[03:53] <googleowner> Bashing-om
[03:54] <googleowner> Bashing-om is there a fix or am i stuck in 1080p
[03:55] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Not what I anticipated ( good) . secure boot still disabled ? and we try and purge the driver and re-install.
[03:55] <googleowner> how do we purge driver and reinstall
[03:55] <googleowner> secure boot is disabled, of course Bashing-om
[03:55] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Naw not stuck . just still with the driver not loading per the log file.
[03:57] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Let's try ' sudo apt --purge remove nvidia* ; sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ; sudo ubuntu-drivers autoinstall '. reboot to see the effect.
[03:58] <jayjo> Switching ttys seems to be unrecoverable for me. I only have the 7 available, and I can login to sessions via 3-6, but 1, 2, and 7 seem to be my session but they don't reinitiate the desktop session correctly
[03:59] <lotuspsychje> !tty | jayjo
[04:01] <googleowner> ok restarting now
[04:02] <jayjo> should I be able to safely switch between them, with applications running, and rejoin the tty session when I come back to it?
[04:03] <Bashing-om> jayjo: Yup - one should - this is a multi-tasking system, afterall :D
[04:05] <googleowner> ok that didn't work...
[04:07] <googleowner> Bashing-om
[04:08] <Bashing-om> googleowner: what shows the log file ?
[04:08] <googleowner> could it be this adapter?
[04:09] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Yeah could be - adapters do have translation issues in some cases. The Nvidia card is not on the mainboard buss ?
[04:09] <googleowner> Bashing-om https://pastebin.com/4Xh3irdR
[04:10] <googleowner> i'm using a usb to dvi-d cord male to f to display port adapter
[04:12] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Still "Is nvidia kernel module available? no" - now out of my skill set to know the why :(
[04:15] <googleowner> Bashing-om so is my cards potential being utilized even?
[04:16] <googleowner> meaning games n such won't work
[04:16] <Bashing-om> googleowner: so long as the driver is not loaded - going to be less than ideal :(
[04:19] <Bashing-om> googleowner: Anyway - out of time here - good luck :D
[04:19] <lotuspsychje> googleowner: wich driver version are you trying?
[04:20] <googleowner> repositories
[04:20] <googleowner> lotuspsychje
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> googleowner: specificly?
[04:20] <googleowner> 450 not the .66
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> googleowner: please try the 435 if its available for your card
[04:21] <lotuspsychje> ubuntu-drivers list, to see
[04:21] <googleowner> trying right now
[04:29] <googleowner> lotuspsycje
[04:29] <googleowner> lotuspsychje how do i install 435?
[04:29] <lotuspsychje> googleowner: did you see 435 in the list?
[04:29] <googleowner> yeah
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> googleowner: sudo apt install driver-here
[04:30] <lotuspsychje> googleowner: or GUI, software&sources tab additional drivers and switch
[06:00] <ornxka> why do i have over 200 kernels installed
[06:00] <ornxka> Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-190-generic Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-189-generic Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-187-generic Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-186-generic
[06:00] <ornxka> i havent updated this machine in two years and i came back and it does this
[06:01] <ornxka> actually it might be three years
[06:01] <ornxka> anyway its been a while
[06:01] <ornxka> im doing apt autoremove but it doesnt seem to have removed anything
[06:02] <ornxka> oh god its regenerating the grub file after every kernel package it deletes
 why do i have over 200 kernels installed <-- that isn't possible
[06:21] <ornxka> idk that number goes up to 190 although i think only from 160
[06:21] <ornxka> but basically there were a lot of them
[06:23] <Maik> with apt autoremove, did you put sudo in front of that?
[06:25] <ornxka> i was root
[06:25] <Maik> ok
[06:29] <ornxka> were there any big kernel exploits in the last few years
[06:42] <Maik> ornxka: have a look here: https://ubuntu.com/security/notices
[06:42] <Maik> what release are you running by the way?
[06:46] <retran> ornxka, why did you wait 3 years
[06:46] <retran> ornxka, It's always safe to assume there's been a published kernel exploit AT LEAST annually :p
[06:47] <retran> Linux is not OpenBSD
[06:48] <retran> Maik, if he didn't do the "apt [command]" with root privs, it would have given an obvious error
[06:48] <ornxka> Maik: 16.04
[06:49] <ornxka> oh god theres like a million of these
[06:50] <ornxka> welp im on 20.04 lts now so hopefully i wont get pwned
[06:51] <ornxka> i waited three years because i forgot that i was renting this vps
[06:51] <ornxka> whoa it came back up even
[06:52] <ornxka> even after i deleted the "needs reboot" file and do-release-upgraded from 16.04 to 20.04
[08:11] <himcesjf> Hi! My root partition of 20 GiB, separate from /home partition, full. How can I figure out what all is consuming the parition? 'df -h' helped to know that it is full.
[08:11] <himcesjf> `df -h`
[08:12] <EriC^^> himcesjf: sudo apt-get install ncdu
[08:12] <akem> Or Baobab i think if you want a graphic app.
[08:19] <lotuspsychje> himcesjf: to clean a rather full HD, try bleachbit and stacer
[08:36] <Maik> lotuspsychje: hmmmm... is sudo apt autoremove not a option? Could be the older kernels
[08:36] <Maik> bleachbit isn't recommended if you don't know what you're doing
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> Maik: im using bleachbit for years, never gave me any issue will all options enabled
[08:37] <lotuspsychje> Maik: but yes, he could also clean his kernels
[08:38] <Maik> i never used bleachbit and never will because i don't need it :)
[08:38] <lotuspsychje> Maik: its handy for a tweaking freak like me to save a few gigs lol
[09:04] <himcesjf> Thanks lotuspsychje and EriC^^ , I will check that
[09:10] <EriC^^> himcesjf: no problem
[09:48] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: EriC^^ Is there any pre-installed application?
[09:48] <lotuspsychje> himcesjf: wich ubuntu release are you on?
[09:49] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: focal
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> himcesjf: baobab then as akem adviced
[09:49] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: What?
[09:49] <lotuspsychje> !info baobab
[09:50] <lotuspsychje> hmm optional
[09:50] <himcesjf> Ye
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> i must have installed it without recall, it was default on earlier releases i think
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !info baobab bionic
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> !info baobab xenial
[09:51] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: du can also help if used well I think
[09:51] <lotuspsychje> hmm
[09:52] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: reading man of `du`
[09:52] <himcesjf> !info du
[09:52] <himcesjf> Oh it is part of GNU coreutils
[10:05] <EriC^^> himcesjf: try 'baobab' in the terminal
[10:26] <johan_> Hi! I have a laptop with a single harddrive, and i made some stupid decisions when i partitioned the disc and now I'm experiencing some issues from it. I have a 40gb partition where ive installed ubuntu and have all the files, then 2 larger partitions of different formats that i would like to be "absorbed" to the main partition. Is this possible to do "live"? Or do i need some kind of usb stick with ubuntu on it and perform the partition
[10:26] <johan_> ing?
[10:33] <guiverc> johan_, the partitions should be unmounted, so using *live* media is the way to do it, such as Ubuntu install media
[10:36] <johan_> guiverc, Hm ok, thanks. What is it called when you take 2 partitions, and format them into a third existing partition? Absorption? I'm trying to google to find some kind of tutorial
[10:37] <johan_> guiverc, because that's possible, right?
[10:37] <guiverc> johan_, I'd just delete the other partitions, then RE-SIZE the partition you want to use the space freed by the prior-deletions.. it's just a RE-SIZE
[10:38] <johan_> guiverc, alrigths, thanks, ill look into creating a ubuntu install usb stick.
[10:39] <guiverc> johan_, it's the "Try Ubuntu" that boots it in *live* mode, ie. running from memory without install
[10:39] <guiverc> https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/try-ubuntu-before-you-install
[10:41] <johan_> guiverc, so not a install normal installation ISO file to a usb stick?
[10:42] <guiverc> you have the option of TRY or INSTALL... you use the TRY option
[10:42] <guiverc> (and don't install)
[10:42] <johan_> guiverc, alright, i get it.
[10:43] <guiverc> it's a great tool, it lets me borrow another persons machine & 'try ubuntu' to use the machine, then I shutdown when done & never had to use their windows or whatever they use
[10:44] <johan_> guiverc, is there a good built in tool in ubuntu for resizing a partition or should i use gparted?
[10:44] <guiverc> gparted for ubuntu should already be installed; KDE partition manager for Kubuntu or modern Lubuntu (next Ubuntu Studio etc)
[10:45] <guiverc> gnome-disks will likely do it too I see, sorry I've always used gparted or kde part..
[10:46] <himcesjf> EriC^^: baobab, stacer and bleachbit are all GUI applications. I am looking for a CLI tool but a pre-installed one not optional. I will try ncdu after here after making space
[10:47] <johan_> guiverc, weird, i dont have gparted isntalled on this ubuntu laptop im using now. Maybe i deleted unused softwares or something.
[10:47] <guiverc> nah, it's probably been replaced by gnome-disks & I haven't noticed (as I always installed the moment I want it); sorry
[10:50] <himcesjf> !info gparted
[10:50] <himcesjf> !info synaptic
[10:50] <himcesjf> !info gnome-disks
[10:51] <johan_> !info disks
[10:52] <lotuspsychje> disk-tools
[10:52] <johan_> !info disk-tools
[10:53] <lotuspsychje> oh gnome-disks it is
[10:55] <lotuspsychje> !info gnome-disk-utility
[11:14] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: EriC^^ akem What do you guys think about snappy and flatpaks? I see that they are eating a lot of / partition?
[11:15] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | himcesjf
[11:19] <himcesjf> lotuspsychje: It is a support question. I see that even after purge removing flatpaks and snap they are leaving runtimes and such behind
[11:22] <myphs> Hello! I have this weird issue, that my T470 has way worse WIFI in Ubuntu for some reason compared to Window 10. Any suggestions on how to fix that?
[11:36] <tomreyn> myphs_: you could check your logs, see whether there are error messages about it. what's worse exactly?
[11:36] <tomreyn> run these to share some details:
[11:36] <tomreyn> lspci -knn | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:37] <tomreyn> journalctl -k | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:42] <myphs_> tomreyn: The throughput is worse. On Windows I have a down up to 30MBit/s on Ubuntu about 12 at maximum. Upload is about the same. https://termbin.com/5ij0t https://termbin.com/lawj3
[11:46] <tomreyn> Intel Corporation Wireless 8265 / 8275 [8086:24fd] (rev 78), Subsystem: Intel Corporation Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265 [8086:1010], Kernel driver in use: iwlwifi
[11:47] <tomreyn> so this is the chipset and the driver for it. looking at the logs now
[11:49] <wolfram> Hello, I have Ubuntu 18.04 Mate on a laptop with an integrated graphics cards, which is "Intel Haswell-ULT Integrated Graphics Controller". I wonder if thre is perhaps any utility in Ubuntu to let me control the card's settings? I am trying to play some games under Wine but the performance is not very good.
[11:50] <wolfram> Thanks.
[11:52] <tomreyn> myphs: iwlwifi 0000:04:00.0: loaded firmware version 36.77d01142.0 op_mode iwlmvm; iwlwifi 0000:04:00.0: Detected Intel(R) Dual Band Wireless AC 8265, REV=0x230
[11:52] <sine0> hey folks, server 18.04, how do I install the php meta pacakge with all the addons
[11:52] <sine0> in the past I did it small and was always missing this and that
[11:52] <tomreyn> myphs: so this is the firmware version and hardware revision. you could look for newer firmware
[11:52] <Maik> sine0: #ubuntu-server
[11:55] <tomreyn> myphs: you're running ubuntu 20.04, right? if so, maybe things will work better if you install package linux-oem-20.04 and reboot
[11:58] <tomreyn> wolfram: intel integrated graphics primarily target business / office application use, not gaming / 3D graphics.
[11:59] <myphs> tomreyn: ok, thanks. will try that :)
[12:00] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:02] <tomreyn> wolfram: tweaking won't do a lot there, but if you want to look at your options, "modinfo -p i915" lists parameters you can pass to the kernel module when loading it (see !kernelparm), "man intel" lists X configuration options.
[12:03] <Guest589642> Hey, complete noobie to linux here. While trying to install amd graphic driver I somehow messed with it and now laptop is stuck on boot menu. Any help is appreciated.
[12:04] <lotuspsychje> wolfram: when you say performance, did you mean graphic or speedwise performance?
[12:04] <tomreyn> Guest589642: this sounds like you tried to install amd's proprietary driver overlay amdgpu-pro. we only supports the open source amdgpu here for reasons such as what you just experienced. there is limited support available on amd's forums, i think.
[12:05] <tomreyn> ...for -pro, that is
[12:05] <Guest589642> thanks, where can I find open source amdgpu?
[12:09] <tomreyn> Guest589642: it comes with ubuntu
[12:09] <tomreyn> ...and is automatically loaded when matching hardware is identified
[12:10] <Guest589642> okay, so I am able to open terminal while stuck on boot menu, is there any way I can reverse those changes I applied while installing amdgpu-pro?
[12:13] <tomreyn> Guest589642: not supported here, really, but you can try: list the changes you made to install it, on a pastebin such as https://paste.ubuntu.com (and post the resulting link here). maybe they can be undone easily by just purging some packages.
[12:13] <tomreyn> other than that, if it's a fresh installation, reinstalling is another option.
[12:14]  * tomreyn bbl
[12:16] <Guest589642> Sure, download the graphics driver for linux from amd site and extracted it. and then opening that folder in terminal I just used ./amdgu-pro-install -y command
[12:28] <Guest589642> ok, i figured it. Thanks for help tom.
[12:36] <p0a> Hello how can I install & use other languages? I am using ubuntu 20.04 but I swapped the gnome DE for jwm
[12:36] <p0a> so I'd rather be able to change the language from the command line
[12:36] <p0a> or with a key binding
[12:59] <wolfram> lotuspsychje: wolfram I do not care at all about "photo realistics graphics" so there are many interesting games that I can play on the integrated Intel chip but somehow this one is rather slow and it looks to be GPU-bound (it is a Windows-version of the Pillars of Eternity under Wine).
[12:59] <wolfram> tomreyn: ^^
[12:59] <wolfram> But it is fine, I just thought I somehow overlooked the kind of a control panel that Nvidia cards have.
[13:12] <ajayahmed> hello. the mount.fuse manual (http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/mount.fuse.8.html) says "32 pages" for max_read. what are the pages it refers to?
[13:14] <tomreyn> wolfram: adriconf, but i don't think it's packaged for ubuntu, yet
[13:15] <tomreyn> there's a flatpak
[13:17] <tomreyn> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ADRIConf-2020
[13:22] <tomreyn> ajayahmed: memory pages. this is a technical term to describe chunks of virtual memory (which is usually primaily backed by phyiscal RAM)
[13:26] <ajayahmed> danke
[13:32] <p0a> How can I install and use other languages? I'd like to enable/disable them from the command line
[13:33] <wolfram> tomreyn: Sure, thanks.
[13:34] <wolfram> tomreyn: Too bad that IRC does not have +1 for answers, surely you would be in the top 0.01% overall :)
[13:37] <tomreyn> wolfram: +1
[14:17] <leibniz[m]> why this happens? https://pastebin.com/nF1BSN4R
[14:18] <leibniz[m]> Is Xubutu18.0's libc fixed at 2.27
[14:19] <Habbie> leibniz[m], are you mixing ubuntu versions in your sources.list?
[14:19] <Habbie> ah, polybar is only in groovy
[14:20] <leibniz[m]> Habbie: I've added a PPA for polybar and i3-gaps https://launchpad.net/~kgilmer/+archive/ubuntu/speed-ricer/+packages
[14:20] <Habbie> leibniz[m], did you pick bionic when you did that?
[14:21] <leibniz[m]> Habbie: You mean did I manually download the deb file? No I added their PPA to my sources.list.d...On update&&upgrade, it reports nothing but says 1 package can be upgraded...When I `sudo apt install polybar`, it throws this error
[14:22] <Habbie> what exactly did you add to your sources.list.d?
[14:22] <leibniz[m]> Thing is, if the package needs a newer libc, why is it cosidered as an upgrade for 18.04?
[14:23] <leibniz[m]> Habbie: https://termbin.com/7y7k
[14:25] <leibniz[m]> And `kgilmer-ubuntu-speed-ricer-bionic.list` , `kgilmer-ubuntu-speed-ricer-bionic.list.save`
[14:29] <Habbie> ok
[14:29] <Habbie> the polybar package for bionic in that ppa is broken
[14:31] <leibniz[m]> Habbie: That's why sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade doesn't do anything but reports that 1 thing could be upgraded?
[14:31] <Habbie> yes
[14:32] <leibniz[m]> Apart from that, libc couldn't be upgraded right?
[14:32] <Habbie> yes
[14:32] <Habbie> because it wants the focal libc
[14:32] <Habbie> https://launchpad.net/~kgilmer/+archive/ubuntu/speed-ricer/+packages?field.name_filter=polybar&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=
[14:32] <Habbie> if you open the bionic one, it says 'copied from focal'
[14:32] <Habbie> but if you open the disco one, it says 'copied from bionic'
[14:32] <Habbie> so the ppa maintainer mixed that up
[14:32] <Habbie> i just downloaded the -disco- deb on my bionic and that installs fine
[14:33] <Habbie> so you could do that; and then you should report it to the ppa maintainer :)
[14:33]  * Habbie out
[14:34] <leibniz[m]> Habbie: Thanks. you mean manually fetch the deb and upgrade. I'll wait for maintainer.
[14:34] <leibniz[m]> In general, can I use nix as an app container in ubuntu/
[14:35] <Habbie> i meant fetch manually, yes; it's also possible that putting 'disco' in the sources.list file works
[14:35] <Habbie> and yes, i'm pretty sure you could use nix to get this instead, in a nix environment
[14:36] <Habbie> the Nix channel here on freenode is very friendly
[15:23] <kenperkins> morning; I have a freshly installed thinkpad (4k screen) on a 10th gen i7 that i can't seem to get the grub menu showing in anything but native resolution
[15:24] <kenperkins> i have GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x720 in /etc/default/grub but that doesn't appear to do anything (I did run sudo update-grub)
[15:35] <ledeni> kenperkins can you give us url 'cat /etc/default/grub | nc termbin.com 9999'
[15:42] <kenperkins> sure ledeni; the only change is uncommenting GRUB_GFXMODE as above
[15:43] <kenperkins> https://termbin.com/rhky8
[15:59] <leibniz[m]> `/usr/bin/wg-quick: line 32: resolvconf: command not found`
[15:59] <leibniz[m]> Would it mess my system if I sudo apt install openresolv ?
[16:13] <ledeni> kenperkins: did you run vbeinfo or videoinfo in grub to see available modes
[16:27] <wuzamarine> left field question: what version of php started to break mysql_connect? I am arguing with somebody about all the broken webservers prior to php 7.0. I remember Ubuntu in particular had an issue and people started to backport before it was fully removed. Anybody know when that was?
[16:28] <tomreyn> !discuss | wuzamarine
[16:31] <frib> is it possible to install qt lib version 5.14 on ubuntu 20.04 ?
[16:32] <Bombo> hi
[16:32] <frib> hi
[16:33] <Bombo> i updated from nvidia-driver-440 to nvidia-driver-450 without rebooting, now glxgears e.g. is not working anymore is there a way without rebooting to fix that?
[16:34] <tomreyn> frib: not from apt sources supported here
[16:34] <frib> tomreyn, any idea where I can find it?
[16:35] <tomreyn> no, maybe a !ppa
[16:35] <frib> the qt installer wants me to use 10 gigs for it
[16:37] <frib> can I just copy paste the .so from another machine?
[16:37] <kenperkins> @ledeni i did not; videoinfo doesn't appear to exist in 20.04, nor does vbeinfo
[16:39] <ledeni> kenperkins: you need to get 'grub>' to run any of that to commands
[16:40] <kenperkins> oh, those are in grub
[16:40] <kenperkins> thanks, brb
[16:45] <kenperkins> @ledeni that was it; perfect thank you so much
[16:46] <ledeni> kenperkins: you are welcome
[16:47] <kenperkins> trying to read grub at 3840x2160 is impossbile
[16:49] <ledeni> kenperkins: did you change mode?
[16:51] <tomreyn> if the output is too small to be read even temporarily, you can try this https://vietlq.github.io/2019/09/22/make-grub-font-size-bigger/
[17:04] <tfdatab> I upgrade Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS to Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS and now HP printer does not work
[17:04] <tfdatab> Can anybody help?
[17:05] <kenperkins> tomreyn: good to know for the future, for now the change worked permanently
[17:10] <tuxakadjseb> tfdatab: Can you reinstall hplip ?
[17:11] <tfdatab> I tried that and then I started hp-setup
[17:11] <tfdatab> It detect printer both on wireless and on usb port
[17:11] <tfdatab> Put print does not come out.
[17:12] <tfdatab> But print does not come out
[17:12] <tuxakadjseb> Can you choose several printers ?
[17:13] <tfdatab> In one of the cases (I have several printers and several computers) there is a single inkjet /scanner hp printer. It does not work. It comes up in printer window in settings.
[17:13] <tfdatab> New hp laser jet work with print outs from ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS
[17:14] <tfdatab> But old 8550 laser jet color hp does not work and not hp inkjet.
[17:15] <tfdatab> I can not choose several printer in one case(because they are on a separate network) In settings there is several connections to the same printer. USB + Wireless + something else.
[17:16] <tfdatab> All printers worked under Ubuntu 18.04.5 LTS
[17:18] <tfdatab> Sometimes when I print out text the program says printer communication problem.
[17:19] <tfdatab> I restarted also the computer after I removed all printers and installed new printer driver and printers in printer settings and then restart again.
[18:09] <frib> is it bad practice to manually copy library files to /lib/x86-linux-gnu ?
[18:16] <lotuspsychje> frib: maybe if you tell your whole story, volunteers can think along with you better
[18:17] <frib> lotuspsychje, my Qt application requires qt librarires that are not available in the ubuntu package manager but they are available from the Qt installer which doesn't however install them in a place where the OS can automatically find them when the program is run
[18:18] <frib> copying the libraries from the location where they are installed to /lib/x86-linux-gnu/ allows the program to run
[18:18] <frib> + initial question
[18:20] <OnkelTem> Hi all. When I connect my external Mic I get this in the syslog: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/vyktXnfm7n/
[18:20] <OnkelTem> and nothing works of course
[18:20] <OnkelTem> device descriptor read/64, error -71
[18:21] <OnkelTem> Any ideas what does that mean? If it's power issues then... why? this is a usb device, which is assumed to be plugged to the PC
[18:21] <OnkelTem> or maybe I should just restart? LOL
[18:23] <NIN101> ubuntu still has firefox 80. any news when the update to 81 will be available?
[18:24] <lotuspsychje> NIN101: maybe the firefox channel might know more of the push times, or #ubuntu-release
[19:50] <ComputerTech> Hello
[19:50] <ComputerTech> can i edit the host file, to create any hostmask i want?
[19:50] <ComputerTech> like for example
[19:51] <ComputerTech> 192.168.1.1 szajbus.site szajbus
[19:51] <ComputerTech> would that work?
[19:51] <ComputerTech> do i just make up a random ip?
[19:51] <ComputerTech> or do i have to have a specific ip i have?
[19:55] <jonnj> Values in /etc/hosts override the normal DNS resolution. So if you lookup the address for szajbus.site or szajbus it will get the address 192.168.1.1.
[19:55] <oerheks> one name, indeed.
[19:55] <oerheks> and you should edit it at 2 places
[19:55] <oerheks> !hostname
[19:55] <jonnj> Of course if this is in your local network, it is very useful. If you are overriding google.com obviously this could cause problems.
[19:56] <jonnj> The format is IP-address host1 host2 host3 etc.
[19:56] <jonnj> You can pack multiple names for the same host on a single line.
[19:56] <ComputerTech> how do i check what ips i have?
[19:56] <ComputerTech> to assign a host to it
[19:57] <ComputerTech> i remember something net
[19:57] <oerheks> 127.0.0.1 ?
[19:57] <ComputerTech> no i mean the command that lists all ips on that vps
[19:58] <oerheks> oh. now you mention VPS?
[19:58] <ComputerTech> yeah
[19:58] <ComputerTech> sorry, not a very knowledgable person on this tbh
[19:59] <ComputerTech> does that make a difference?
[19:59] <oerheks> a vps is heavily tweaked, one can change the hostname. but this " lists all ips on that vps"  makes no sense.
[20:02] <ComputerTech> got it
[20:02] <ComputerTech> ip a
[20:02] <ComputerTech> so i can for example this
[20:02] <ComputerTech> 2a02:2430:3:2500::498:4ea7  blah.site szajbus
[20:02] <ComputerTech> that correct?
[20:53] <Aavar> Can someone help me with a problem with Teams, or maybe point me in a direction of someone that can help me? The issue is that the microphone is not working. When doing a test call I never hear the message back.
[20:54] <oerheks> this 'teams' ? https://snapcraft.io/teams-for-linux
[20:55] <oerheks> did you check out ; softwarecenter > installed > snapname > permissions
[20:56] <Aavar> oerheks: No I installed the flatpak and the deb from MS. I'll try the snap, and see if it makes any difference.
[20:56] <oerheks> oh, for flatpak i don't know, it is not usual on ubuntu
[20:56] <gebbione> hi folks, when ubuntu starts booting i see a bunch of text and messages, like ata1: link slow or similar ... dark screen with white text output. Is this text saved somewhere? it doesnt look like it is in /var/log/boot.log
[20:57] <gebbione> not in auth.log
[20:57] <Aavar> oerheks: Let me try the snap and see :)
[20:58] <Bashing-om> gebbione: ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot.
[21:00] <gebbione> thank you, kernel: ata1.00: link is slow to respond, please be patient (ready=0) <- about this ... should i update my system to new hardware ? ... and ata1.00: SRST failed (errno=-16)
[21:01] <gebbione> it might a disk plugged in that is failing to start
[21:02] <oerheks> disks > smart would give a clue
[21:03] <Aavar> oerheks: The snap-version does not even show me the settings for devices... for some reason.
[21:04] <blub> hi, I cannot boot live cd ubuntu 20.04.1 into ram. after ~10 minutes there is a "decoding failed" error. it works on another machine (same chipset). what to do?
[21:05] <blub> maybe this problem? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1890257
[21:15] <tomreyn> blub: try booting with nouveau.modeset=0 or modprobe.blacklist=nouveau then
[21:18] <blub> tomreyn: do you mean just to add a parameter to boot options? "... quiet splash nouveau.modeset=0 toram ---"?
[21:18] <tomreyn> blub: exactly
[21:19] <blub> ok, I will try in a moment.
[21:22] <blub> tomreyn: the difference between the two machines is the graphic card. the working machine uses nvidia graphic card, the "bad" machine has no separte graphic card (only the integrated intel). maybe the nouveau will solve it. I am trying now.
[21:23] <tomreyn> blub: then this workaround for the bug you wuoted, which is about an nvidia RTX6000 chipset, which you now say you don't have in the problematic system, won't help.
[21:23] <tomreyn> * quoted
[21:25] <blub> hmm ok :/ . the nouveau.modeset=0 doesn't work for me.
[21:25] <tomreyn> how much ram does this system have?
[21:26] <tomreyn> i mean how much physical ram is installed
[21:27] <blub> tomreyn 28 GB. I tried in on the same "bad" machine with older ubuntu version 19.x with only 16 GB ram and it was no problem. 20.04.1 do not want to operate on this machine. :/
[21:28] <tomreyn> blub: same firmware version as the system that's working, too?
[21:29] <blub> tomreyn: what do you mean with firmware? the hardware is not the same manufacturer, only the chipset family is the same (z97).
[21:29] <tomreyn> i see
[21:29] <tomreyn> blub: are you sure that 28 GB RAM is a configuration that's supported in the way you have it installed?
[21:31] <blub> tomreyn: I am not sure. what should i do? there is 3x8GB and 1x4GB. same ram manufacturer, the 3 rams are exactly the same
[21:31] <tomreyn> consult the mainboard manual for supported configurations
[21:32] <blub> https://download.asrock.com/Manual/Z97%20Extreme4.pdf
[21:33] <blub> ram is definitely supported by this mainboard
[21:33] <blub> is listed in the Memory QVL
[21:34] <blub> maybe i should try 1. 8gb, 2. 8gb, 3. 8gb, 4. 4gb, instead of 4gb/8gb/8gb/8gb/
[21:34] <tomreyn> i guess it should work as it is, but in single channel, according to section 2.3 of this manual
[21:36] <tomreyn> since the system does boot, from what i understand (you can reach grub), it's probably a separate issue, though
[21:38] <tomreyn> blub: so i suggest you try to boot with    dis_ucode_ldr     !kernelparm or upgrade the mainboard firmware
[21:39] <tomreyn> or just try without to_ram
[21:39] <tomreyn> * toram
[21:40] <blub> without toram? ok, i will try
[21:41] <tomreyn> undoing customiations is usually the best first step to take.
[21:41] <blub> Ok, i am trying
[21:43] <blub> tomreyn: It also fails, the machine restarts after a while, while booting
[21:44] <blub> (there is no hdd/ssd connected)
[21:44] <tomreyn> blub: verify the iso file you downloaded matches its checksum. use a software which verifies the data written to the installer media and recreate the installer media from the iso.
[21:45] <tomreyn> do a memtest
[21:45] <tomreyn> ensure the hardware is ok
[21:47] <pavlos> can you try with just 2x8GB ram (as in priority 1 from the pdf)?
[21:47] <tomreyn> if the memtest reports errors, retry the memtest with just with 2x 8 gb ram installed. if it still reports errors, cross test with the other leftover 8 gb dimm in the bank the error was reported for
[21:52] <blub> I am trying with separated nvidia graphic card now. then i will try with 2x8gb in the right slots
[21:54] <blub> it shows me ubuntu logo now and a checking progress. something new.
[21:54] <blub> interesting
[21:57] <jpmh> I see that my umask is set to 0002 - why then when I do date >temp.fil is temp.fil created with rw-rw-r-- and not rwxrwxr-x?  I guess I do not understand umask
[22:00] <oerheks> see "An umask of 002 gives write permission to the other group members" https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/umask
[22:01] <oerheks> now pam_umask does it right.
[22:07] <blub> pavlos tomreyn without to ram and with nvidia graphic card it works. i will try now "toram" and nvidia graphic. intel graphic seems to be the problem with 20.04.1 :/
[22:08] <jpmh> oerheks: I understand that "others" part of the mask.  What I am not understanding is why the execute but does not get set since it is NOT masked out by my umask
[22:09] <blub> is there maybe a spacial boot option for intel graphics?
[22:11] <blub> nvidia grpahic + toram seems to be good too. there is also a progress while booting
[22:13] <tomreyn> blub: i still think it's likely to do with your ram configuration and that it works in this configuration for now should not be taken as an indication that the hardware is stable they it is configured now.
[22:14] <blub> tomreyn: ok, should i try 2x8b in the priority 1 configuration and without nvidia? i will try.
[22:14] <tomreyn> that, or just do a memtest as you have it now.
[22:15] <tomreyn> "is stable they it is" -> "is stable as it is"
[22:26] <blub> 2x8gb without nvidiad doesn't work too. memtest86+ is running now, but I don't believe in memory problems, because I had the same problem when I tried with the ram from a working computer before. And I use that ram every day for many hous on linux without any problems.
[22:29] <blub> memtest hung up without showing any errors, because I had no nvidia connected... :D
[22:32] <pavlos> there is a bios option to enable/disable integrated graphics and enable pcie gpu (see page 80)
[22:34] <blub> pavlos do you mean "primary graphic adapter"?
[22:34] <oerheks> what nvidia card is this exactly?
[22:35] <blub> oerheks gtx 260
[22:35] <pavlos> blub: yes, at the bottom it says to disable int graphics so that an external gpu can be used.
[22:36] <blub> pavlos I think that if the pci is unconnected, the bios disc detects the intel, othwerise i would not have come to the option of botting ubuntu
[22:38] <pavlos> blub: it should ... you should be able to boot ubuntu either with the int card (intel) or the external (nvidia)
[22:40] <oerheks> make sure you powered that card properly.
[22:44] <pavlos> I assume you plug the card into the pcie slot closest to the cpu
[22:45] <oerheks> that mobo comes with pci xpress 3.0 and 2.0
[22:45] <oerheks> card is 2.0
[22:45] <blub> oerheks pavlos but the card is not the problem. the problems occurs only without nvidia graphic card
[22:46] <pavlos> so, w/o nvidia, 2x8gb ubuntu does not boot?
[22:46] <oerheks> should work, in uefi mode
[22:46] <pavlos> as tomreyn wrote, you verified iso
[22:46] <blub> nvidia + all ram combinations works. intel (integrated cpu grpahic) + all ram combinations doesn't work
[22:48] <oerheks> bios issue, most likely. there must be a setting how much ram you share with intel.
[22:56] <blub> did you write something while i was away?
[23:14] <tomreyn> blub: no, but before you left, people wrote seomthing.
[23:14] <tomreyn> !irclogs
[23:15] <tomreyn> memtest86+ is not linux. you have established the fact that two separate OSes fail to boot with your minimal hardware configuration.
[23:16] <tomreyn> actually, memtest86+ booted, but hung up in the middle
[23:16] <blub> tomreyn, yes, right. good point.
[23:17] <tomreyn> either points to hardware / firmware (or configuration thereof) problems
[23:19] <blub> tomreyn: however, perhaps not entirely. I ran memtest from the same cd as aubuntu, so maybe there is some problem with the software distributed by ubuntu.
[23:19] <blub> (I know that memtest is not the same as ubuntu)
[23:19] <oerheks> memtest86 from our iso does not do UEFi systems, that is all
[23:19] <blub> But maybe there is osme kind of bootloader connection or something lese.
[23:19] <oerheks> i hope this is fixed soonish
[23:19] <tomreyn> right, still adifferent OS. and you can try the memtest86+ from passmark
[23:22] <tomreyn> oerheks: uefi memtest won't get fixed anytime soon unless anyone releases a uefi bootable memory test which canonical is allowed to redistribute under acceptable terms.
[23:24] <oerheks> maybe the systemd-boot route.. but i agree now it seems hopeless.
[23:26] <blub> I can run legacy mode without uefi. this should solve the problem for memtest
[23:29] <tomreyn> blub: there's a free as in beer (for personal use), but not in freedom, uefi bootable memtest available at https://www.memtest86.com/
[23:30] <tomreyn> but hardware debugging really should take place in channels dedicated to that
[23:37] <robline> I'm enjoying 20.04 (especially the automatic printer install, nice) but I can't scroll up with my mouse in a terminal session.  It just scrolls through the command history.
[23:37] <robline> any suggestions how to fix that?
[23:43] <lamiastella> do you why I am getting this error? https://pastebin.com/raw/wQMKuUKQ since dev_renders is a new branch in that git repo https://github.com/benjiebob/SMALViewer/issues/1#issuecomment-699561018
[23:49] <tomreyn> lamiastella: /join #git