[01:33] <cthulchu> so folks, I see that Ubuntu+KDE is quite good for work. Very comfortable.
[01:33] <cthulchu> I wonder how good it will be with games though
[01:34] <cthulchu> performance-wise
[01:34] <cthulchu> mostly Nvidia performance. Does Nvidia make good drivers for modern cards for Linux?
[01:34] <cthulchu> Should I look at AMD cards rather than Nvidia?
[01:34] <cthulchu> I'm gonna buy a new laptop rather sooner. I want to make sure it's perfect for linux.
[01:37] <Bashing-om> cthulchu: Perfect == money. See https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/09/lenovo-launches-new-oem-linux-thinkpad-and-thinkstation-pcs/ - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue650 .
[01:46] <cthulchu> Lenovo is actually good
[01:46] <cthulchu> I've been using one for a while
[01:46] <cthulchu> but performance-wise... it sucks
[01:47] <cthulchu> and it's strange that lenovo doesn't suck Microsoft's dick
[01:47] <cthulchu> doesn't it belong to MS?
[01:52] <guiverc> watch your language please cthulchu
[01:56] <ldiamond> I'm trying to setup grub to boot from an encrypted / with and lvm
[01:58] <ldiamond> When the PC boots, I get dropped in the grub shell. `insmod luks` doesn't work
[01:58] <ldiamond> so it seems to be missing luks efi module
[02:05] <guiverc> ldiamond, I can't help as I know nothing about it, but modern Lubuntu boots from a full disk encryption so I'd peek at what they do, or maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[02:05] <ldiamond> Yea I looked at it but they do a full install
[02:05] <ldiamond> I'm moving an existing installation to an encrypted partition
[02:21] <nithael_> Does anyone have an idea on how to configure network on Ubuntu Server 20.04LTS for Raspberry pi 4 ? I'm plugged straight from eth0 to my router, although dhcp is enabled on both on my router and my Pi, internet and network is not working, I'm only getting an ipv6 address
[03:07] <pavlos> ldiamond: does this help? https://superuser.com/questions/1588626/grub-bootloader-with-luks-encryption-stuck/1588630#1588630
[03:13] <pavlos> nithael_: assuming the interface on the pi is eth0, try, "sudo ip link set dev eth0 down; sudo dhclient eth0; ip addr show" should list the ip it got
[03:19] <jeffrey_f> what is the default user's password for 20.04 livecd?
[03:20] <Bashing-om> jeffrey_f: ubuntu (?) as I recall.
[03:20] <jeffrey_f> trying to ssh into that machine and
[03:21] <jeffrey_f> "ubuntu" password doesn't work
[03:22] <tatertots> if you created a 20.04 LiveUSB/LiveDVD why not have a monitor and keyboard and physically sit in front of it
[03:22] <jeffrey_f> tatertots: trying to SFTP to pull files from a defunct laptop.
[03:29] <guiverc> jeffrey_f, Ubuntu desktop only provides openssh-client by default; ie. you can `ssh` out but not `ssh` in
[03:36] <ananda> hi
[03:38] <ananda> hi
[03:38] <ananda> hi
[03:43] <Bashing-om> !ask | ananda support in this channel :D
[03:52] <ama> hi
[03:53] <CarlFK> hi
[04:18] <amagumo> hi
[04:22] <Maik> amagumo: hi
[05:02] <nithael_> pavlos, are u still online ?
[05:04] <nithael_> pavlos, THANKS It'S working :D
[05:12] <catman370> join #debian
[06:19] <GooGooKnox> Introduction to GNU Guix! (http://gg.gg/guix-intro)
[06:51] <freddyb> does anyone know when ubuntu is going to get updates for thunderbird from 68 to 78? couldnt find something on the web..
[06:52] <lotuspsychje> freddyb: the thunderbird maintainer, or #ubuntu-release perhaps
[06:54] <lotuspsychje> freddyb: there's also a thunderbird snap, check snap info thunderbird
[06:55] <lotuspsychje> freddyb: https://blog.thunderbird.net/
[06:58] <tatertots> in the future
[07:01] <rfm> no underwear will be worn
[07:18] <freddyb> Hm. OK. I will ask thunderbird folks at Mozilla. Thanks all.
[09:27] <steinbach> hello
[11:35] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:22] <e2> https://twitch.tv/mike_csgo
[12:26] <WaltS48> Thanks for the update to Firefox 81.0 this morning! Now where is Thunderbird 68.12.0? 78.3.0? Eh?
[12:29] <oxek> so demanding...
[12:29] <oxek> it will come when it's ready
[12:31] <WaltS48> Why isn't it ready?
[12:31] <WaltS48> All the other distros have updated already.
[12:36] <oxek> debian hasn't
[12:39] <WaltS48> oxek: So these alerts are fake news? https://lwn.net/Articles/830109/
[12:39] <WaltS48> Oh, and 78.3.1 is the update to 68.12.0.
[12:40] <oxek> not fake news, it is a vulnerability
[12:40] <oxek> will be fixed when ready
[12:43] <oxek> if you absolutely rely on having security fixes as soon as possible, then you should either compile stuff yourself, or get the packages from upstream, or move to a distro that is very quick to update. Also checkout flatpak or snap.
[12:43] <WaltS48> I know it's not fake news that Debian has updated. You can peruse the rest at your leisure here. https://lwn.net/Alerts/
[12:43] <oxek> debian has not updated thunderbird to 78.3 yet
[12:44] <oxek> still on 68.12
[12:45] <WaltS48> I'm already using 78.3.1. Just thinking about the repo users that haven't been and concerned for their safety. Does the maintainer have Covid?
[12:45] <WaltS48> haven't been updated
[12:46] <hggdh> WaltS48: please tone down
[12:47] <WaltS48> Well, somebody give me answer as to why Ubuntu is still on 68.10.0 when all the others have updated to 68.12.0.
[12:47] <oxek> WaltS48: feel free to pay a salary to the thunderbird maintainer to get it done. In the meantime, it is a volunteer project.
[12:49] <WaltS48> So was Thunderbird when I started contributing to the project. Now they have a paid staff and I'm still a volunteer.
[12:50] <xtao> i attempted to test the snap version of firefox but couldn't get it to pick up my profile. need to look into that again. i tried copying ~/.mozilla into ~/snap/common/mozilla i think. something like that. maybe that's wrong
[12:50] <oxek> WaltS48: thunderbird is not a canonical project, it has no paid staff to maintain it
[12:50] <oxek> even more so with debian, where it is all on a volunteer basis
[12:52] <WaltS48> And they have 68.12.0 out since Aug 31st.
[12:55] <WaltS48> Okay, after I don't know how many years of using Ubuntu, providing support when and where I can for the applications and os, maybe it is time to look for another distribution.
[12:55] <oxek> feel free to talk to the thunderbird maintainers in ubuntu about paying them money to keep up-to-date, or step up yourself as a maintainer
[12:56] <WaltS48> That keeps my critical apps up to date. There doesn't seem to be any oxek.
[12:56] <hggdh> WaltS48: it is your choice and decision to use whatever OS and distro you want. Butbeing less aggressive might help
[12:56] <oxek> WaltS48: then perhaps ubuntu is not the distro for you
[12:57] <lotuspsychje> WaltS48: there is also a thunderbird snap; see snap info thunderbird
[12:59] <WaltS48> Asking why Ubuntu hasn't updated Thunderbird from 68.10.0 to 68.12.0 is being aggressive? Not interested in snaps, flatpacks or any other new stuff. I'm old and set in my ways.
[13:00] <hggdh> WaltS48: again, your choice. You already made it clear. Now please stop
[13:00] <WaltS48> Okay, it's maintained by a volunteer and they haven't had time, are ill, don't care anymore?
[13:03] <steinbach> hey one question
[13:03] <steinbach> does bioctl -d detach or delete the volume????
[13:03] <steinbach> because on the man pages its not clear
[13:03] <steinbach> there seem to be different pages with different wording
[13:04] <steinbach> whops, wrong channel
[13:31] <other_rick> hello, I need to know which is the least kernel version required by ubuntu 18.04?
[13:32] <lotuspsychje> other_rick: you can choose between kernel 4.15 that came from the start, or the !hwe kernel for bionic
[13:33] <other_rick> Exist some page where I can see that limits?
[13:33] <lotuspsychje> other_rick: limits?
[13:34] <other_rick> The minimum kernel version required, nothing more
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> !info linux-image-generic bionic | other_rick
[13:36] <lotuspsychje> other_rick: does that answer your question?
[13:36] <other_rick> thanks lotuspsychje
[14:11] <IaIaIa_> where 000-default.conf exist?
[14:15] <leftyfb> IaIaIa_: you're going to need to provide more information than that
[14:15] <Texas> IaIaIa_: It should be in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[14:15] <IaIaIa_> thanks Texas  :)
[14:15] <Texas> You're welcome
[14:35] <[1997kB]`> hey, is there any way to make a bootable usb for win7 on ubuntu? I have tried startup disk creator but it doesn't detect win7 ISO
[14:36] <lotuspsychje> [1997kB]`: woeusb
[14:37] <[1997kB]`> lotuspsychje, tried that too, but it did not detected usb on boot menu
[14:38] <lotuspsychje> [1997kB]`: maybe something went wrong with your iso?
[14:39] <[1997kB]`> I have 3 different ISO of windows and no one seems to work, I also tried zorinos iso and for strangely it works.
[14:40] <lotuspsychje> [1997kB]`: so zorin picks up at boot?
[14:41] <[1997kB]`> so to sum up when I use any linux iso it works but fail with windows iso
[14:41] <[1997kB]`> yes it does
[14:41] <lotuspsychje> [1997kB]`: and you sure your win7 iso is properly made?
[14:42] <[1997kB]`> yes, for the same reason I have tried win10 and win8 iso, no luck
[14:44] <lotuspsychje> [1997kB]`: wich woeusb did you try snap or git?
[14:44] <[1997kB]`> git
[14:44] <tieinv> is your usb formated to ntfs?
[14:45] <[1997kB]`> its fat32
[14:46] <tieinv> windows if bigger than the fat32 limit
[14:46] <tieinv> *if/is
[14:46] <[1997kB]`> ok, let me try ntfs
[14:47] <tieinv> https://itsfoss.com/bootable-windows-usb-linux/
[14:48] <tieinv> it was a head banger but it worked for me
[15:01] <josefig> hello, i'm struggling with broadcom 43228 on ubuntu 20.04 it seems i cannot find the correct firmware/driver for this card. I'm following guides but I'm not sure what i'm doing wrong. someone has the same card?
[15:03] <bluejaypop> sorry i got dc, i'm still looking for a solution for broadcom wifi 43228 driver on ubuntu 20.04
[15:10] <tatertots> bluejaypop: are you chatting from the computer right now using a hardwired connection?
[15:11] <bluejaypop> yes, i have a web client now
[15:11] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   ubuntu-drivers devices|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:11] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:13] <bluejaypop> yes https://termbin.com/w4aw
[15:14] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   apt list --installed|grep bcm|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:14] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:15] <bluejaypop> yes, this one https://termbin.com/reyj5
[15:19] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   journalctl -b 0|grep wl|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:19] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in termin
[15:19] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:20] <bluejaypop> https://termbin.com/vu6p
[15:23] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   rfkill list|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:24] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:24] <bluejaypop> yes, it's not blocked i just cheked that
[15:24] <chipBro> greetings-does ubuntu use systemd should i be using journalctl to view my logs on ubuntu?
[15:25] <bluejaypop> https://termbin.com/ji96
[15:25] <leftyfb> chipBro: yes
[15:25] <chipBro> ty
[15:28] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   sudo ip link set wlp2s0 up
[15:28] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:28] <bluejaypop> no output
[15:29] <bluejaypop> but i see no wifi networks
[15:30] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   sudo iw dev wlp2s0 scan|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:30] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:30] <bluejaypop> no output :/
[15:31] <tatertots> bluejaypop: in terminal>   journalctl -b 0 -k -n 120|nc termbin.com 9999
[15:31] <tatertots> bluejaypop: see any output?
[15:32] <bluejaypop> let me try something
[15:35] <chipBro> tatertots, with the directions you gave to bluejaypop, are you having his output piped to termbin.com 9999, can i change the port no and ip to any site i choose that shares txt code etc and expect it to work in a few places?
[15:36] <chipBro> lol i usually copy and paste
[15:36] <chipBro> to pastebin or some other site
[15:38] <chipBro> when i want to share logs data dmesg info etc, to solve my own issues
[15:51] <echoSMILE> It seems the option "try ubuntu" from USB did not persist the data on the usbkey. Any way to use Ubuntu from USB with presistence ?
[15:56] <leftyfb> !persist | echoSMILE
[15:57] <leftyfb> !persistent | echoSMILE
[15:58] <echoSMILE> leftyfb: tks
[16:04] <ldiamond> I'm having issues with booting from an encrypted luks2 root. I installed systemd-boot but the initrd file loaded doesn't seem to properly unlock the root fs.
[16:04] <ldiamond> It waits for /dev/mapper/cryptroot and times out (never asks for my password)
[16:05] <ldiamond> The kernel parameters (cryptdevice=UUID=actual-uuid:cryptroot root=/dev/mapper/cryptroot) are there
[16:05] <ldiamond> I'm thinking the initrd image doesn't have luks built-in. Do I have to add any module to it manually?
[16:07] <leftyfb> ldiamond: how do you have an ecrypted root without creating it at install time?
[16:08] <ldiamond> leftyfb: I converted it. Created a luks2 partition and `dd` the ext4 fs over
[16:09] <leftyfb> ldiamond: a lot less work to just reinstall and restore from backup
[16:11] <ldiamond> It's a corporate laptop that has a bunch of things preset in their image. They just messed up and sent it out unencrypted.
[16:12] <ldiamond> I honestly only need the initrd to open the luks partition, all the work is done
[16:13] <ldiamond> The equivalent on Arch for example would be to modify /etc/mkinitcpio.conf to add 'encrypt' module (and 'keyboard keymap' to be able to type the pw).
[16:13] <ldiamond> I'm not sure what the procedure is on Ubuntu though
[16:14] <bluejaypop> tatertots, i found the problem, it was loading the wrong device: wlan0: Broadcom BCM4359 802.11 Hybrid Wireless Controller 6.30.223.271 (r587334) <-- mine is BCM43228.
[16:37] <dhaniya> Hi, I am trying to install ubuntu 20.04 and when I boot from live usb it says "Verification failed: (0x1A) Security Violation" and then if I click OK it prompts to perform MOK management. How can i fix this?
[16:38] <Habbie> dhaniya, could that be Secure Boot in your BIOS?
[16:38] <dhaniya> It is a dual boot system with windows and I have installed ubuntu before, there were no problems before
[16:38] <dhaniya> yes secure boot is enabled
[16:38] <dhaniya> but why is it giving me the problem now and never before
[16:44] <dhaniya> Habbie what are my options if you can help please...
[16:44] <Habbie> dhaniya, i don't know, sorry
[16:45] <ldiamond> You can't boot from the USB?
[16:47] <dhaniya> No
[16:52] <ldiamond> dhaniya: did you go in the bios to disable secure boot?
[16:52] <ldiamond> If you have secure boot enable, you'll never be able to boot anything other than what's registered in your bios
[16:52] <ldiamond> or rather, signed as "secure"
[16:53] <dhaniya> but I have installed ubuntu before with secure boot on
[16:53] <ldiamond> It was disabled when you booted from the USB
[16:54] <dhaniya> And also i am able to boot 20.04.1 from usb but not 20.04
[16:55] <dhaniya> but 20.04.1 crashed when trying to set password for secure boot during installation for 3rd party drivers option
[17:03] <other_rick> Hello, I need repositories for armhf bionic, some packages are missing in ports.ubuntu.com
[17:10] <leftyfb> other_rick: which package?
[17:14] <other_rick> Helo @lefty
[17:16] <other_rick> Helo leftyfb, some packages like: cdbs, scour, gnome-pkg-tools and others
[17:17] <Maik> then they haven't been ported yet i guess. To make sure better ask in #ubuntu-arm
[17:19] <leftyfb> other_rick: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[17:21] <leftyfb> !universe | other_rick
[17:22] <leftyfb> other_rick: every one of those packages you mention is available in ubuntu-ports under the universe repo, at least for arm64 that I'm looking at.
[17:22] <bluejaypop> hello, i am loading automatically a driver on /etc/modules-load.d/wifi.conf and the contents is just b43 but for some reason is not loading the driver. Could be possible that the system tries to load something before for the same card? If so, how can I confirm this ?
[17:23] <other_rick> yeah for amd64 or i386, but are missing on armhf
[17:24] <tatertots> bluejaypop: you said you found the problem. Obviously that didn't mean it's connected and working
[17:24] <bluejaypop> tatertots, now is working, i added the module b43 and is working now. I'm connected over wifi now, but at the beginning is not loading the driver, so I assume is loading something else, I even added to blacklist previous drivers.
[17:25] <leftyfb> other_rick: I said arm64, not amd64
[17:25] <bluejaypop> i needed to do modprobe b43
[17:25] <leftyfb> other_rick: do you have the universe repo enabled?
[17:25] <bluejaypop> how can I be sure is the only driver loaded for this wifi ? so no other drivers go into conflict.
[17:26] <tatertots> bluejaypop: remove other driver(s) https://termbin.com/reyj5
[17:27] <bluejaypop> oh my bad, i left the dkms let me try again
[17:28] <bluejaypop> nope, same :/
[17:33] <tatertots> then you didn't really remove anything
[17:34] <bluejaypop> how can I confirm that?
[17:34] <tatertots> bluejaypop: you should start showing more termbins, instead of interpreting things into your own words, that's probably not as helpful
[17:35] <bluejaypop> tatertots, ok sure
[17:37] <bluejaypop> tatertots, what should I share ?
[17:41] <other_rick> thanks leftyfb are you right
[17:50] <ses1984> how do you troubleshoot a frozen desktop
[17:51] <Texas> ses1984: We'll need a little more details than that
[17:51] <Texas> Like: What desktop are you using? What ubuntu version are you using? What were you doing prior to the issue that may have caused the desktop to freeze? :)
[17:53] <ldiamond> `lsinitramfs | grep crypt` shows a bunch of things, including cryptsetup, askpass and cryptroot-unlock. My kernel options include `cryptdevice="UUID=actual-uuid:cryptroot" root=/dev/VolumeGroup/root`. However, when booting, there's no password prompt and I get dropped into a shell with an error saying it timedout waiting for root.
[17:53] <ses1984> ubuntu 20.04, i was running a script in a terminal
[17:53] <ldiamond> Anyone have an idea what could be the issue?
[17:53] <Texas> ses1984: What was the script?
[17:53] <ses1984> ansible deploying some stuff to remote servers
[17:53] <ses1984> the system seems to freeze randomly
[17:53] <Texas> Is there any reason why you can't perform a hard restart?
[17:53] <ses1984> sometimes it's right after booting. sometimes way later
[17:53] <Texas> Hmm
[17:54] <ses1984> i can, i would like to not have to do that regularly on a brand new system
[17:54] <Texas> What do you have running on there?
[17:54] <ses1984> i had a system that was having chronic problems until i replaced literally everything in it
[17:54] <Texas> It sounds like you may be having some RAM issues
[17:54] <ses1984> the only thing that's the same anymore is the nvme disk
[17:54] <ses1984> i have probably run memtest over 100 hours with no errors found
[17:55] <Texas> ses1984: Are you just using the regular ubuntu desktop?
[17:55] <ses1984> yes
[17:55] <Texas> hmm
[17:55] <Texas> Let me investigate a bit
[17:55] <ses1984> i cant switch to another terminal. i cant alt-sysreq reisub
[17:56] <ses1984> i guess maybe it could be the nvme disk? i've replaced literally every other part trying to get to the bottom of this
[17:56] <pavlos> ses1984: can you ssh to this system from another host?
[17:56] <ses1984> didnt try that yet
[17:57] <Texas> ses1984: But what are you running on the system
[17:57] <ses1984> it could be anything. it could freeze 5 seconds after booting running nothing. or sometimes freezes when i click firefox
[17:57] <pavlos> ses1984: test that ansible can reach all remote hosts (ansible all -m ping)
[17:57] <ses1984> the task it failed on was targeting localhost
[17:58] <pavlos> ses1984: use top t ofind offending procs, kill them if need be
[17:58] <ses1984> and if it cant reach remote hosts, that's not going to manifest as frozen desktop that doesnt respond to ctrl-alt-f1 or alt-sysreq-reisub
[17:58] <ses1984> how can i use top when the desktop is f r o z e n
[17:58] <pavlos> from the ssh
[17:58] <ses1984> i will have to try later but i'm guessing 99% chance it will not respond to ssh
[17:58] <ldiamond> From the busybox shell, I'm even able to unlock the luks partition using cryptsetup. Not sure why it's not done with the kernel options
[18:00] <Texas> I have a feeling something is using up your memory and I won't know what it is unless you run htop
[18:00] <ses1984> i have 64gb of memory and the system freezes within a minute of booting because something is using up my memory?
[18:00] <Texas> That
[18:00] <Texas> That's the only thing I can think of
[18:01] <ses1984> about to hop on a work call, will try the ssh thing later
[18:01] <Texas> Alright
[18:03] <tomreyn> ldiamond: where did you come across the "cryptdevice" kernel parameter?
[18:03] <tomreyn> and what's your /etc/crypttab ?
[18:04] <ldiamond> The cryptdevice params are from systemd-boot docs
[18:04] <ldiamond> I setup systemd-boot
[18:04] <tatertots> bluejaypop: interesting that https://termbin.com/vu6p shows BCM4359 while https://termbin.com/w4aw shows BCM43228
[18:04] <ldiamond> as for crypttab its "cryptroot UUID=...-...-... none luks,discard"
[18:04] <tomreyn> ldiamond: okay, i'm not into systemd-boot, can't help then.
[18:05] <tomreyn> the crypttab seems fine, syntactically
[18:06] <ldiamond> tomreyn: well, I don't think systemd-boot is the issue.
[18:07] <ldiamond> I'm fine with going back to grub but I wasn't able to get grub working with encrypted boot because it's a luks2 partition and it supports luks1 only
[18:07] <ldiamond> from the initramfs busybox shell, /proc/cmd shows the kernel parameters
[18:08] <tatertots> bluejaypop: pastebin/termbin all the information you can gather on what is loading that is undesired, and another showing desired
[18:08] <bluejaypop> tatertots, yes i'm grabbing all the info now
[18:09] <tomreyn> ldiamond: current grub supports booting off luks2, but i think the one in 20.04 is not currnet enough.
[18:09] <ldiamond> git grub does. I'm on 18.04
[18:18] <tomreyn> ldiamond: maybe this helps you identify what's missing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Full_Disk_Encryption_Howto_2019
[18:21] <ldiamond> tomreyn: I've looked at it. It uses grub and it's doing a new install with the installation UI
[18:21] <ldiamond> Hard for me to figure out what's actually being done
[18:23] <tomreyn> yes, it's much closer to a standard installation than yours
[18:34] <pavlos> bluejaypop: I had to install bcmwl-kernel-source to get bcm43228 working
[18:55] <Gwalenn> Hi, impossible to execute my script outside the folder https://dpaste.com/9YFGGDXET I don't understand where I'm wrong
[19:01] <bluejaypop> pavlos, now it worked
[19:02] <Voeid> Gwalenn: ./script.sh will execute only a file in the current directory (note the './'), provided your homedir bin directory is in PATH, all you have to do is type script.sh
[19:04] <Gwalenn> Voeid, thanks works. Sometime I can be stupid !
[19:05] <Voeid> no worries :)
[19:05] <twainwek> do unattended-upgrades auto update 18.04 to newer versions?
[19:05] <jpds> twainwek: No
[19:06] <twainwek> what exactly do they do?
[19:06] <twainwek> where can i find documentation on their functionality?
[19:09] <tomreyn> twainwek: apt show unattended-upgrades; man unattended-upgrades
[19:09] <tomreyn> !man | twainwek
[19:10] <coconut> is it possible to update the firmware of an intel wifi chip?
[19:10] <twainwek> apt-show shows 'automatica installation of security upgrades'.... my kernel was updated
[19:10] <twainwek> i'm trying to see what causes this mess
[19:12] <coconut> or can i only by a new one ?
[19:12] <coconut> *buy
[19:12] <twainwek> for example, 50unattended-upgrades shows ${distro_id}:${distro_codename} uncommented. which makes me suspect that it auto upgrades everything
[19:13] <jpds> twainwek: Updates don't go into the base repo, only -updates
[19:13] <jpds> twainwek: I would check in /var/log/apt/
[19:13] <tomreyn> coconut: ubuntu will provide firmware upgrades for wireless devices, including intel ones, automatically. they're loaded by the drivers when the device starts up.
[19:13] <tomreyn> or rather when the driver initializes
[19:18] <coconut> tomreyn: are you sure that it updates automaticaly?
[19:19] <coconut> tomreyn: i ask because my thinkpad does sometimes not get it's wifi chip detected well (i believe only when it gets warm)
[19:20] <coconut> tomreyn: and i want to test the latest firmware first before the manufacturer comes at my door
[19:20] <coconut> tomreyn: uefi i just updated with a live iso, but the wifi not yet....
[19:22] <tomreyn> coconut: intel wireless firmware is provided by a package named linux-firmware. you can use "apt changelog PACKAGENAME" to see a packages' changelogs.
[19:23] <coconut> tomreyn: thnx tom!
[19:23] <tomreyn> the firmware loaded by the driver is loaded in a non-persistent way. it does not persist after linux shuts down.
[19:24] <tomreyn> similarily to cpu microcode updates loaded by linux during early boot
[19:27] <coconut> tomreyn: ok, well i think i will let the onsite support come home here, because my wifi is now unstable for months and i tried the latest mainline linux too.
[19:28] <coconut> they do seem to support ubuntu though
[19:36] <e|f> Hi!  I have Kubuntu 20.04 focal installed on my Lenovo laptop.   Wiped Windows from it completely.  All is well except when I boot, the stupid Lenovo splash screen appears twice.  Any ideas on a fix?  Thanks!
[20:43] <other_rick> I want to probe a patch but the dpkg-buildpackage retrieve a error: override_dh_auto_test; someone knows how resolve that?
[21:39] <pmart> shouldn't xorg be running as non-root?
[21:40] <tomreyn> pmart: on which ubuntu release?
[21:40] <pmart> 20.04
[21:41] <tomreyn> yes, i'd think it should
[21:41] <pmart> mine is running as root. perhaps i'm missiang a package?
[21:41] <tomreyn> is this a default ubuntu installation, gnome-shell/mutter?
[21:42] <pmart> no custom :)
[21:42] <tomreyn> have a lovely life.
[21:42] <pmart> no-install-recommends xD
[21:48] <pmart> I think it's sddm fault
[21:50] <pmart> yes it is! https://github.com/sddm/sddm/issues/246
[21:50] <pmart> so my xorg will run as root just like in the 80s
[22:41] <jarray52> Is there an Ubuntu package that supports the ffs file system (with or without fuse)?
[22:45] <tomreyn> jarray52: "UFS" is the keyword (or key acronym) there.
[22:46] <jarray52> tomreyn: From what I understand, UFS, FFS, and FFS2 are similar filesystems that might share a common ancestor, but they are different at the level where the rubber meets the road.
[22:47] <tomreyn> that's right, quoting wikipedia: "Linux includes a UFS implementation for binary compatibility at the read level with other Unixes, but since there is no standard implementation for the vendor extensions to UFS, Linux does not have full support for writing to UFS. The native Linux ext2 filesystem was inspired by UFS1 but does not support fragments and there are no plans to implement soft updates.[citation needed] (In some 4.4BSD-derived systems,
[22:47] <tomreyn> the UFS layer can use an ext2 layer as a container layer, just as it can use FFS and LFS.)"
[22:47] <tomreyn> jarray52: if you look at 'ufs' in the mount(8) manual page you'll notice there's a ufstype= option
[22:59] <jarray52> tomreyn: Thanks, that makes sense. I'll give it a try.
[23:09] <tomreyn> jarray52: you're welcome. note also how most of them support only read-only access.
[23:09] <jwash> is it possible to make the computer ignore the press of a power button?
[23:09] <jwash> when shutting down
[23:10] <jwash> i don't want my kids to be able to hold down the power button for 10 seconds
[23:11] <tomreyn> jwash: see the logind.conf(5) man page and /etc/systemd/logind.conf
[23:11] <Bashing-om> jwash: On my box - the power button action is controlled in my bios.
[23:12] <jwash> yep, i need to look at bios
[23:34] <dTal> jwash: you could physically replace the switch
[23:36] <jwash> dtal, not a bad idea, i could put a connector on the back which I could just jump
[23:36] <jwash> they would never know the difference
[23:38] <dTal> I'm not sure what kind of switch you'd need to preserve the single-press behaviour
[23:39] <dTal> Or just not use the original circuit at all.