[15:00] <sil2100> o/
[15:00] <slyon> o/
[15:00] <waveform> o/
[15:01] <bdmurray> #startmeeting Weekly Ubuntu Foundations team
[15:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 15:01:14 2020 UTC.  The chair is bdmurray. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[15:01] <bdmurray> #topic Lightning Round
[15:01] <bdmurray> cho $(shuf -e vorlon bdmurray xnox tdaitx doko sil2100 rbalint infinity mwhudson juliank waveform slyon)
[15:02] <bdmurray> mwhudson slyon xnox doko sil2100 infinity juliank waveform tdaitx vorlon rbalint bdmurray
[15:02] <bdmurray> slyon:
[15:02] <slyon> - 360 review training
[15:02] <slyon> - Learned how to build *-signed packages for secure boot
[15:02] <slyon> - submitted netplan talk for OVScon in Dec
[15:02] <slyon> - looked into dbus issue, bug #1871538, red herring
[15:02] <slyon> - prepared s390-tools[-signed] SRUs
[15:02] <slyon>   * bug #1888231, bug #1892350, bug #1893027
[15:02] <slyon> [15:02] <slyon> - Reviewed NM plugin MP#391222
[15:02] <slyon> - Finalized & merged netplan get/set CLI+DBus, PR#163
[15:02] <slyon>   * Prepared "tech-preview" packages in PPA for other teams
[15:02] <slyon> - Re-worked 0.100 Focal SRU, to improve riscv64 test coverage
[15:02] <slyon>   * missing openvswitch build on Focal/riscv64
[15:02] <slyon>   * 0.100-0ubuntu4~20.04.2 currently pending in unapproved queue
[15:02] <slyon> - Working on netplan try/cancel DBus for UC20, PR#134
[15:02] <slyon> (done)
[15:02] <bdmurray> xnox:
[15:03] <xnox> hunting grub2 regressions
[15:03] <xnox> working on adding Task field to finalrd
[15:04] <xnox> done
[15:04] <xnox> sponsored bunch of pi* things
[15:04] <bdmurray> doko:
[15:05] <bdmurray> how about sil2100 then
[15:05] <sil2100> Ok!
[15:05] <sil2100> - SRU reviews and releases
[15:05] <sil2100> - FFe reviews
[15:05] <sil2100> - Queue reviews for groovy
[15:05] <sil2100> - Groovy Beta:
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Prepared reminder and freeze announcement
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Froze the archive, generally did 'beta' stuff, created candidate images
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Going through bugs, checking severity, writing them down and putting on milestone
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Re-ran subiquity images after Paride noticed a networking-related problem during image build
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Prepublishing + preparing for publishing
[15:05] <sil2100>   * Started writing announcement
[15:05] <sil2100> - Started validating ubuntu-image 1.10 SRU after getting it ACKed and accepted
[15:05] <sil2100> - Reviewed another big netplan PR from Lukas, this time regarding get/set functionality
[15:05] <sil2100> - Work on getting in some toolchain-related SRUs (cvise etc.)
[15:05] <sil2100> - Interviews
[15:05] <sil2100> - Prepared and released the first batch of langpacks for groovy
[15:05] <sil2100> - A bit of work on the roadmap
[15:05] <sil2100> - Re-sponsoring netplan 0.100 SRU for focal after initial rejection
[15:05] <sil2100> - Sponsoring a few other packages for various people
[15:05] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <sil2100> Oh!
[15:06] <sil2100> Forgot:
[15:06] <bdmurray> julian is out
[15:06] <bdmurray> waveform:
[15:06] <sil2100> - Merged Brian's ubuntu-image changes (first contribution!)
[15:06] <waveform> * Fixed FTBFS on python-apt (https://salsa.debian.org/apt-team/python-apt/-/merge_requests/51)
[15:06] <waveform> * Working on FTBFS for numpy (partly https://github.com/numpy/numpy/pull/16883 plus a ton of broken refs in the docs)
[15:06] <waveform> * Working on removal of all cronjobs from update-notifier (LP: #1836475)
[15:06] <waveform> * MIR for pi-bluetooth (LP: #1897920)
[15:06] <sil2100> (done)
[15:06] <waveform> * Attempting to debug customer case on Core18 (failed to reproduce with base image; attempting to build custom image)
[15:06] <waveform> * Onboarding meetings
[15:06] <waveform> * Tested "more new stuff"
[15:06] <waveform> (done)
[15:06] <tdaitx> * reviewed openjdk and ubuntu timelines
[15:06] <tdaitx> * packaging openjdk 11.0.9+10 and 8u272-b09
[15:06] <tdaitx> * fixed apport-hook for openjdk 11
[15:06] <tdaitx> * sru verification for bug 1887142
[15:06] <tdaitx> * glossed over ftbfs list, will pick something tomorrow
[15:06] <tdaitx> Other:
[15:06] <tdaitx> * playing around pulseaudio profiles at night to separate hdmi/analog outputs and with echo and noise cancelling modules
[15:06] <tdaitx> (done)
[15:06] <bdmurray> vorlon:
[15:07] <bdmurray> rbalint:
[15:08] <bdmurray> okay, I'll go!
[15:08] <rbalint> ah, a sec
[15:08] <bdmurray> okay
[15:08] <bdmurray> standing by
[15:10] <rbalint> * +1 maintenance
[15:10] <rbalint> * partner work
[15:10] <rbalint> * trying to fix LP: #1871268, maybe it works out now
[15:10] <rbalint> (done)
[15:10] <bdmurray> uploaded a focal SRU of the fix for LP: #1886534, LP: #1895865
[15:10] <bdmurray> discussed LP: #1894919 with sil2100 then v-failed it
[15:10] <bdmurray> added /etc to the contents_mapping file for retracers
[15:10] <bdmurray> tested and verified it in staging, deployed in production
[15:10] <bdmurray> sponsored the props change for LP: #1886112
[15:10] <bdmurray> sponsored u-r-u changes for LP: #1893717, LP: #1897778
[15:10] <bdmurray> uploaded an apport to change to help with LP: #1891657
[15:10] <bdmurray> further troubleshooting of the above issue as its not completely fixed
[15:10] <bdmurray> emailed ubuntu-devel re PathExists trigger changes
[15:10] <bdmurray> review of upgrade failure issues
[15:11] <bdmurray> doko, vorlon ?
[15:11] <bdmurray> in the meantime any questions on status?
[15:11] <sil2100> None here!
[15:11] <bdmurray> okay lets move on
[15:12] <bdmurray> #topic Release Incoming Bugs
[15:12] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:12] <bdmurray> bug 1890435
[15:13] <xnox> doko:  any advice in that bug would be helpful! ^
[15:13] <xnox> i know it is very vague
[15:14] <xnox> however, there is gcc-10 in unapproved with a revert/bugfix for arm....
[15:15] <doko> christian wanted to check if it's reproducible with older compiler versions. otoh, such bisecting is difficult with an unreliable reproducer
[15:16] <bdmurray> given that it isn't very reproducible we'll hold off on taking it
[15:18] <bdmurray> the dbus issue still doesn't have a reproducer
[15:18] <bdmurray> the update-notifier cronjob is already being worked on
[15:19] <bdmurray> bug 1897444
[15:19] <bdmurray> something about ubiquity translations being out of date?
[15:21] <bdmurray> let's follow up with desktop about that
[15:21] <sil2100> +1
[15:21] <bdmurray> bug 1894792
[15:22] <xnox> bdmurray:  we should take it
[15:23] <bdmurray> mclemenceau: can you create a card for that
[15:23] <bdmurray> bug 1897173 - sil2100 that was fixed with the new kernel correct?
[15:24] <mclemenceau> you got it
[15:25] <sil2100> Yep o/
[15:25] <bdmurray> #link http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html#foundations-bugs
[15:26] <bdmurray> I guess bug 1871268 is being worked on
[15:26] <bdmurray> bug 1872159
[15:27] <bdmurray> I think this plymouth one is really for desktop
[15:28] <bdmurray> bug 1896608
[15:28] <xnox> mine
[15:28] <bdmurray> cool
[15:28] <sil2100> \o/
[15:28] <sil2100> Michael will be happy
[15:29] <bdmurray> Did we talk about bug 1888726 already?
[15:29] <slyon> we have a card for that
[15:30] <bdmurray> well let's target it and remove the tags
[15:30] <slyon> ack
[15:30] <bdmurray> that's that then for bugs
[15:30] <bdmurray> #topic Team proposed-migration report
[15:31] <vorlon> very short list, which is good at this point in the cycle
[15:31] <bdmurray> procps was my upload so I guess that's on me
[15:31] <vorlon> [LINK] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#foundations-bugs
[15:31] <vorlon> rbalint: anything to say wrt google-compute-engine-oslogin + gce-compute-image-packages?
[15:31] <rbalint> vorlon, i'm waiting for MIR team's response on google-guest-agent MIR
[15:32] <rbalint> also lintian: https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/ubuntu-seeds/+git/platform/+merge/391464
[15:32] <vorlon> yeah, which I've said I'm not keen on...
[15:32] <vorlon> was anyone looking at the MIR side of the lintian unblock?
[15:32] <rbalint> vorlon, is it a good time/place to discuss it further?
[15:32] <vorlon> might as well
[15:33] <vorlon> the problem with saying "we could support it even if it's not in main" is that things being in main is the way we track that it needs to have security support
[15:33] <vorlon> so just demoting it, without some plan for keeping it on the security team's radar, isn't good for us
[15:34] <rbalint>  vorlon i guess this concern is mostly about devscripts
[15:34] <doko> that's the same for a lot of build tools
[15:34] <vorlon> devscripts isn't just build tools; they're tools run on developers' systems that interact with the network
[15:34] <xnox> which we do not sru to keep working correctly
[15:35] <vorlon> I wasn't aware they needed srus?
[15:35] <rbalint> vorlon, both devscripts and lintian had security updates
[15:35] <rbalint> vorlon, should i get security team's consent to support them in universe?
[15:36] <vorlon> rbalint: that would be a prereq for demotion in my view, yes
[15:36] <rbalint> vorlon, would that be sufficient for the demotion?
[15:36] <vorlon> and in the meantime it might be quicker to just get the MIR done?
[15:36] <doko> before it gets done, it has to be written ...
[15:37] <rbalint> if the ack from security team would be sufficient than it may get done faster than the mirs
[15:37] <vorlon> doko: can you remind us which ones needed a written MIR vs a perl fast-track?
[15:37] <vorlon> rbalint: I am doubtful that they will give a quick ack :)
[15:37] <doko> discount, which is not maintained by the perl group
[15:37] <vorlon> because they would need to have process in place for tracking it before they could just commit to supporting
[15:37] <rbalint> vorlon, maybe they surprise us :-)
[15:42] <vorlon> ok, gobject-introspection look like it's only blocked by freeze
[15:42] <bdmurray> okay, we've got a plan for lintian wha'ts next?
[15:42] <vorlon> sil2100: will we unblock that post-beta?
[15:42] <vorlon> and then procps was already mentioned by bdmurray, that's his
[15:42] <sil2100> Yeah, we'll drop the freeze
[15:43] <vorlon> so that's all
[15:43] <sil2100> (on britney)
[15:43] <xnox> i thought you keep freeze through to the release......
[15:43] <sil2100> (queue freeze stays)
[15:43] <xnox> i thought we did that before
[15:43] <xnox> oh, ok.
[15:43] <vorlon> and that's the list
[15:43] <vorlon> bdmurray:
[15:43] <bdmurray> #AOB
[15:44] <bdmurray> #topic AOB
[15:44] <sil2100> Beta being released today!
[15:44] <bdmurray> While reviewing more release upgrade bugs I'm finding more duplicates of bug 1887544
[15:44] <vorlon> \o/
[15:45] <slyon> I will be out tomorrow..
[15:45] <xnox> bdmurray:  and they are recent right? with latest/greatest release-upgrader?
[15:45] <bdmurray> and my MP was frowned upon
[15:45] <bdmurray> https://code.launchpad.net/~brian-murray/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+git/ubuntu-release-upgrader/+merge/388513
[15:45] <rbalint> i will be probably out on Monday and Tuesday
[15:55] <rbalint> my fix is promising at https://code.launchpad.net/~rbalint/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+git/glibc/+merge/391704 so i may land a new glibc to groovy and focal
[15:56] <bdmurray> one other thing I noticed when reviewing upgrade bugs is that ubuntu-release-upgrader recommends using ppa-purge to remove ppas
[15:56] <bdmurray> I wonder if u-r-u should depend on ppa-purge
[15:57] <bdmurray> Because somebody went searching for ppa-surge in software center and didn't find it.
[15:59] <vorlon> it's currently in univere
[15:59] <vorlon> s
[15:59] <bdmurray> Yeah, that's true.
[15:59] <vorlon> are we happy maintaining it?
[16:00] <bdmurray> Given that we tell people to use it, we probably should be.
[16:00] <vorlon> or stop recommending it :)
[16:00] <vorlon> but yeah, worth investigating
[16:01] <bdmurray> The alternative being to tell people to use --allow-third-party?
[16:01] <bdmurray> alright, thanks everybody
[16:01] <bdmurray> #endmeeting
[16:01] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 16:01:34 2020 UTC.
[16:01] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-10-01-15.01.moin.txt
[16:15] <xnox> rbalint  https://launchpadlibrarian.net/473341946/UbiquitySyslog.txt
[17:06] <xnox> rbalint:  i think it's just bogus message and bogus return code from apt
[17:06] <xnox> i don't see antyhing wrong from dpkg, and dpkg did configure libc6:i386
[17:07] <xnox> it may not have done so immediately but it did succeed.
[17:12] <rbalint> xnox, yes, i've traced the dpkg calls and those were ok on their own when i replayed them
[17:28] <xnox> rbalint:  also said message should only appear if immediate-configure-all was requested..... but we never do that.
[20:00] <tai271828> o/
[20:00] <diddledan> \o
[20:00] <tai271828> hi everyone I registered the application of ubuntu membership https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[20:00] <tai271828> and I think the meeting/interview will begin soon here?
[20:01] <Wild_Man> hi tai271828
[20:01] <bashfulrobot> 0/
[20:01] <tai271828> hi Wild_Man
[20:03] <bashfulrobot> ok, so we should likely kick this off.
[20:03] <tai271828> that's great, thanks!
[20:04] <bashfulrobot> tai271828: having a look at your wiki page, it looks like you are still quite active. Especially as you are working with Canonical directly as well.
[20:04] <diddledan> we need to get meetingology to record us
[20:04] <diddledan> I'm looking for the script
[20:04] <bashfulrobot> my bad. sorry.
[20:05] <bashfulrobot> 👍
[20:05] <tai271828> no problem, please take your time.
[20:05] <Wild_Man> Please do diddledan I am on my hotspot and may lose connection
[20:05] <tai271828> bashfulrobot: yeah still active I would say : )
[20:05] <bashfulrobot> diddledan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[20:07] <bashfulrobot> diddledan: I have never run it, want me to take a crack at it, or are you on it?
[20:07] <diddledan> I'm sure we had a wiki page for the meeting procedures
[20:08] <diddledan> as in specific to this meeting :-)
[20:08] <bashfulrobot> I linked to the meetingology page above.
[20:08] <bashfulrobot> ahh ok.
[20:08] <bashfulrobot> I have never seen that
[20:12] <bashfulrobot> diddledan: I do not see one in the wiki (via search) or linked from the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership home.
[20:14] <diddledan> !startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
[20:14] <diddledan> .startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
[20:14] <juliank> s/./#/
[20:14] <diddledan> oh
[20:14] <diddledan> #startmeeting Ubuntu Membership Board
[20:14] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 20:14:45 2020 UTC.  The chair is diddledan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[20:14] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[20:15] <diddledan> #chair diddledan
[20:15] <meetingology> Current chairs: diddledan
[20:15] <tai271828> \o/
[20:15] <diddledan> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 1st October 2020. The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[20:15] <diddledan> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[20:16] <diddledan> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[20:16] <diddledan> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[20:16] <diddledan> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[20:16] <diddledan> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the majority of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[20:16] <diddledan> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[20:16] <diddledan> #topic tai271828
[20:16]  * tai271828 is reading
[20:17] <diddledan> Hi, tai271828, could you introduce yourself and link to your wiki page please? The board will take a moment to read through your page and then we'll get to questions
[20:17] <bashfulrobot> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tai271828 (have it handy)
[20:18] <tai271828> thank bashfulrobot
[20:18] <tai271828> I have been using Ubuntu since 2006 and it is 6.06 (Dapper Drake), and I have been working for Canonical Ltd. for 7 years since 2013.
[20:18] <tai271828> I was an experimental particle physic scientist to try to improve the measurement of the neutrino mass in the Dayabay collaboration. For loving science and FLOSS software, I spent a lot of my time to combine both of them. A good daily machine with a good distribution is a foundation to let me engage myself to devote my energy to work on them (FLOSS and science), so I would like to work on Ubuntu.
[20:18] <tai271828> and my wiki page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/tai271828 (re-paste again)
[20:19] <oerheks> impressive reading, tai !!
[20:19] <diddledan> yup, there's lots to like! :-)
[20:19] <bashfulrobot> super strong
[20:20] <tai271828> thank you very much : D
[20:20] <Wild_Man> Very impressive
[20:20] <Maik> nice one tai271828. respect.
[20:21] <diddledan> ok. I'll open the floor for any questions from the board delegates
[20:21] <Wild_Man> I have no questions looks very strong
[20:21] <diddledan> me too, I don't have any questions, either :-)
[20:21] <oerheks> I do know not all Canonical workers are member too, What makes you take this step today?
[20:22] <tai271828> oerheks: there are two reasons:
[20:23] <tai271828> 1) one for my daily job so I could triage public bugs on Launchpad more easily for working on arm server enablement recently if I am granted the ubuntu membership permission
[20:24] <tai271828> 2) The other is for my personal commitment. I regard myself as a member of Ubuntu community (at least for the local community) for years but not seriously take more actions besides giving some short and small knowledge, user experience, or best practice sharing with friends from my local community. I should and I could promote Ubuntu with a more proactive mindset. By getting the membership it means something
[20:24] <tai271828> ritual for me to make a commitment to myself and the community.
[20:26] <Wild_Man> Only candidate and board members should be asking questions or talking at this time please
[20:26] <bashfulrobot> I had read the wiki entry earlier today, and found it to be very comprehensive. So I have no further questions and I am ready to vote.
[20:26] <bashfulrobot> (not to rush things)
[20:27] <Wild_Man> I am ready to vote
[20:27] <diddledan> okie dokie.. if everyone's ready I'll fire off the voting bot
[20:27] <diddledan> #vote Membership application of tai271828
[20:27] <meetingology> Please vote on: Membership application of tai271828
[20:27] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[20:27] <diddledan> #voters bashfulrobot, diddledan, Wild_Man
[20:27] <meetingology> Current voters: Wild_Man bashfulrobot diddledan
[20:27] <Wild_Man> +1
[20:27] <meetingology> +1 received from Wild_Man
[20:27] <bashfulrobot> +1
[20:27] <meetingology> +1 received from bashfulrobot
[20:27] <diddledan> +1
[20:27] <meetingology> +1 received from diddledan
[20:28] <diddledan> #votesrequired 2
[20:28] <meetingology> votes now need 2 to be passed
[20:28] <diddledan> #endvote
[20:28] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Membership application of tai271828
[20:28] <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:28] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:28] <diddledan> that was nice and easy :-)
[20:28] <tai271828> \o/
[20:28] <bashfulrobot> Welcome !
[20:28] <diddledan> Congratulations tai271828 :-)
[20:28] <tai271828> thanks everyone
[20:28] <bashfulrobot> 🎉
[20:28] <Wild_Man> Congratulations
[20:29] <diddledan> With that, as you're the only applicant for this meeting I'll close off the meeting
[20:29] <diddledan> #endmeeting
[20:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 20:29:06 2020 UTC.
[20:29] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-10-01-20.14.moin.txt
[20:29] <diddledan> I'll do the email
[20:29] <bashfulrobot> thanks diddledan
[20:29] <Wild_Man> Thanks diddledan
[20:30] <Maik> tai271828: congrats :)
[20:30] <tai271828> I am glad to become one of you!
[20:33] <tai271828> thank you the membership board for your time (and email : ) ) and effort. I appreciate that. Wild_Man  bashfulrobot diddledan
[20:33] <bashfulrobot> tai271828: thanks for your contributions and time in the meeting today. 👍
[20:34] <Wild_Man> Your welcome tai271828
[22:02] <Maik> o/
[22:03] <diddledan> hello hello. I'm not certain we'll make a quorum this time around.
[22:04] <Wild_Man> Hello\
[22:04] <Maik> diddledan: oh, ok. We'll see then.
[22:05] <diddledan> ping bashfulrobot, tsimonq2
[22:06] <bashfulrobot> I'm going up my elevator right now, I'll be back online as soon as possible.
[22:06] <diddledan> okie dokie
[22:06]  * diddledan pulls the script up again
[22:06] <Maik> :)
[22:07] <diddledan> #startmeeting Ubuntu membership board
[22:07] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Oct  1 22:07:18 2020 UTC.  The chair is diddledan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
[22:07] <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
[22:07] <diddledan> #chair diddledan
[22:07] <meetingology> Current chairs: diddledan
[22:08] <diddledan> Hello and welcome to the Ubuntu Membership Review Board meeting for 1st October 2020 (22:00 UTC). The wiki page for the Review Boards are available here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/Boards
[22:08] <diddledan> We will attempt to get through all of the applicants that have added themselves to that list before today's meeting. If we are unable to make it through the entire list due to time constraints, then at the next meeting we will pick up where we left off.
[22:08] <diddledan> The format for the meeting is as follows: We will go through the list of applicants one by one, by date of application (FIFO).
[22:08] <diddledan> Each applicant should introduce themselves (1-5 sentences) and provide links to their Ubuntu Wiki page. After the introduction the members of the Membership Review Board will review the pages and, if needed, ask the applicant further questions.
[22:08] <diddledan> During this time it is encouraged for other members of the community to show their support for the applicant. Do not be alarmed if the members of the Membership Review Board are quiet during this time; they are most likely reading wiki/launchpad/forum/other pages and deciding how they are going to vote.
[22:08] <diddledan> When the board is ready to vote, they will publicly vote in the channel with either +1, 0, or -1 (for membership, abstain, and against membership, respectively). If the majority of the voting board members vote +1, then the applicant is now an official Ubuntu member! (feel free congratulate them!)
[22:08] <diddledan> Now, with any further ado, lets get started with the first applicant...
[22:08] <diddledan> #topic Nisankh Acharjya
[22:09] <diddledan> Nisankh appears to be absent?
[22:10] <Wild_Man> diddledan, appears so
[22:10] <diddledan> I guess we'll move on
[22:10] <diddledan> #topic Rudra Saraswat
[22:12] <diddledan> Rudra, I know it's late where you are, 3am. If you're here, could you introduce yourself and post a link to your wiki page?
[22:13] <bashfulrobot> I am back.
[22:13] <diddledan> o/
[22:13] <Wild_Man> o/
[22:13] <bashfulrobot> I am watching but may be a little silent (middle of my work day)
[22:13] <bashfulrobot> o/
[22:15] <Maik> diddledan: rudra seems to have some connection issues. He wrote a message but doesn't seem to appear he said on telegram
[22:16] <Maik> he's re-connecting at the moment
[22:16] <diddledan> ok
[22:16] <Maik> there he is
[22:16] <rs2009> Hi, My wiki page is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/rs2009
[22:17] <rs2009> I'm Rudra Saraswat. I study in Grade 6. I’m a Linux enthusiast and am passionate about Open Source.
[22:17] <rs2009> I've been using Ubuntu since 2017 and have been active on Ubuntu Discourse (Ubuntu Community Hub) since July 2019.
[22:17] <rs2009> I like to develop Linux distributions, either from scratch or based on distributions like Debian and Ubuntu. I created Ubuntu Unity Remix in May 2020, and have been maintaining the project ever since. The project now has a good following and has received good reviews as well. I'm on the Unity7 Maintainers' team and have created a debugging tool for Unity7 (called Devunity).
[22:17] <rs2009> I also created UbuntuEd Remix, an educational spin of Ubuntu for students ranging from pre-school to university level. This aims to fill the gap left by the discontinued Edubuntu flavour. I've created i386-arm, that sets up an emulated Debian i386 (Stretch) environment on an ARM computer/SBC.
[22:17] <rs2009> I like to develop operating systems in C and Assembly. I’m an Android App Developer (native Java & XML), and love BASH scripting and coding in C# and C. I do some web development too and love video/photo editing with Kdenlive and Krita.
[22:20] <diddledan> ok, do any of the board delegates present have any questions?
[22:21] <Wild_Man> No I don't pretty impressive
[22:21] <bashfulrobot> rs2009: I know you have been working on the remix edition since May. How have you found that task has brought you into the core Ubuntu community (vs an isolated endeavour)?
[22:23] <rs2009> bashfulrobot: Earlier also I had created a KDE edition of Raspbian which never got any attention. It was only after Ubuntu Unity that people started noticing my work. So, now I feel like a core part of the Ubuntu community.
[22:23] <bashfulrobot> In what way?
[22:24] <bashfulrobot> For example, have you been interacting with people upstream? and if so, in which ways?
[22:25] <rs2009> For example, I'm now on the Unity7 Maintainers' Team and push my fixes quite easily compared to earlier. Also, I feel more responsible now since I have to maintain these projects and satisfy the community
[22:25] <rs2009> I've contibuted upstream to Unity Tweak Tool, for example.
[22:25] <Wild_Man> rs2009 is unity7 Maintainers team still very active? do you collaborate often with other team members?
[22:26] <rs2009> Wild_Man: Yes, I generally collaborate with k_alam directly.
[22:27] <bashfulrobot> I am good for questions.
[22:27] <rs2009> Wild_Man: It is mostly for bugfixes, since Unity7 is still in maintenance mode
[22:28] <Wild_Man> Okay
[22:28] <diddledan> any more questions, or are we ready to vote?
[22:28] <rs2009>  I'm now more actively developing for the community, like the one I released just today
[22:28] <bashfulrobot> I am ready to vote.
[22:28] <Wild_Man> I am ready to vote
[22:30] <diddledan> ok. here goes the vote:
[22:30] <diddledan> #vote Rudra's membership application
[22:30] <meetingology> Please vote on: Rudra's membership application
[22:30] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[22:32] <diddledan> #voters bashfulrobot, Wild_Man, diddledan
[22:32] <meetingology> Current voters: Wild_Man bashfulrobot diddledan
[22:33] <bashfulrobot> rs2009: We actually forgot to ask about your UbuntuEd
[22:33] <bashfulrobot> Would you mid another question?
[22:33] <rs2009> sure
[22:34] <rs2009> Should I describe UbuntuEd?
[22:34] <bashfulrobot> With your focuses on remixes at this point, can you describe how you plan to take the work you do there and bring it to the Ubuntu (official) ecosystems?
[22:34] <Wild_Man> rs2009, what version of Ubuntu is UbuntuEd, based on? what DE does it use?
[22:35] <rs2009> Wild_Man: UbuntuEd is based on Ubuntu 20.04 and offers both Unity7 and GNOME
[22:35] <bashfulrobot> And yes to describing your goals with UbuntuEd.
[22:36] <rs2009> bashfulrobot: I'm currently focussing on Ubuntu Unity Remix, and intend to keep LTS releases for UbuntuEd. But I'll be adding metapackages for UbuntuEd regularly.
[22:38] <diddledan> are you investigating the process for graduating from remix to official flavour?
[22:38] <rs2009>   I first plan to apply for official flavour status for Ubuntu Unity Remix.
[22:38] <diddledan> aah you beat me :-)
[22:38] <bashfulrobot> rs2009: With your focuses on remixes at this point, can you describe how you plan to take the work you do there and bring it to the Ubuntu (official) ecosystems? (beyond flavour application)...
[22:39] <rs2009> diddledan: Yes, I do regular releases in sync with Ubuntu releases and am following the recommended processes.
[22:39] <diddledan> ok, let's vote :-)
[22:40] <bashfulrobot> 👍
[22:40] <Wild_Man> Yes let's vote
[22:41] <diddledan> ok, the vote is still open - I opened it up there 👆 so give your votes and it'll recognise them
[22:41] <bashfulrobot> +1
[22:41] <diddledan> #votesrequired 2
[22:41] <meetingology> +1 received from bashfulrobot
[22:41] <meetingology> votes now need 2 to be passed
[22:41] <diddledan> +1
[22:41] <meetingology> +1 received from diddledan
[22:41] <Wild_Man> +1
[22:41] <meetingology> +1 received from Wild_Man
[22:42] <wxl> +1 looking forward to the new unity flavor shortly
[22:42] <diddledan> #voters bashfulrobot, Wild_Man, wxl, diddledan
[22:42] <meetingology> Current voters: Wild_Man bashfulrobot diddledan wxl
[22:42] <wxl> oops
[22:42] <diddledan> and again, wxl
[22:42] <wxl> +1 looking forward to the new unity flavor shortly
[22:42] <meetingology> +1 looking forward to the new unity flavor shortly received from wxl
[22:42] <wxl> too fast
[22:42] <diddledan> haha
[22:42] <diddledan> #endvote
[22:42] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Rudra's membership application
[22:42] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[22:42] <meetingology> Motion carried
[22:42] <rs2009> Thank you very much :)
[22:42] <diddledan> Congratulations Rudra :-)
[22:42] <bashfulrobot> rs2009: welcome aboard!
[22:42] <rs2009> Thank you very much :)
[22:42] <Maik> congrats rs2009
[22:43] <Wild_Man> Thank you rs2009 and congratulations
[22:43] <rs2009> Thanks Maik :)
[22:43] <diddledan> #topic Maik Adamietz
[22:43] <rs2009> Thanks Wild_Man!
[22:43] <bashfulrobot> Highly encourage to take up your packaging goals. There is always work to be done there within the entire ecosystem.
[22:43] <diddledan> Hello, Maik, could you introduce yourself and post a link to your wiki page, please?
[22:43] <Maik> sure :)
[22:43] <Maik> Hi, i'm Maik Adamietz. Linux enthusiast and hobbyist. I've been using Ubuntu since 7.04 Feisty Fawn and was impressed by this new OS which i was introduced to by a member on a music related forum. I kept using Ubuntu as my daily driver ever since on at least one of my machines.
[22:43] <Maik> At some point i joined the Dutch Ubuntu NL community where i gave user support and decided to join the forum team. That way i became a moderator, then forum administrator and acted like a community manager for a while. I was also involved with Ubuntu BE for a shorter period of time.
[22:44] <Maik> I had to step down because of other priorities in life which were work and family related. But that didn't stop my involvement in the community, using Ubuntu and giving user support.
[22:44] <Maik> Currently i'm also involved with the Ubuntu Unity project acting as moderator, admin, keep an eye on the irc channel and give user support on the support media (the forums, Telegram and IRC). I use this remix next to Ubuntu, simply because i always liked the Unity desktop and think that Rudra has done a great job on it.
[22:45] <Maik> After talking to wxl last week about what i have done with Ubuntu so far, when i mentioned i would love to get involved some more as IRC Op and/or moderator, he suggested i should apply for a Ubuntu Membership.
[22:45] <Maik> The Ubuntu Membership would mean a lot to me and i see it as a achievement in my life which will boost my love, passion, motivation and devotion for Ubuntu and it's community even more. Here's my wikipage for more information: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Maik
[22:46] <wxl> Maik: since you had to step down, you've still been helping in official Ubuntu IRC channels and forums? like answering questions, not necessarily being moderator/administrator?
[22:47] <Maik> wxl: yes but mostly on the Dutch Ubuntu NL forum, i joined irc once in a while but am back now, logged in 24/7 and try to give support in my spare time.
[22:48] <bashfulrobot> maik Thank you for the intro! As you may have noticed on our previous member questions, we really try to understand the ongoing sustained (6+ months) Ubuntu contributions. :-) When did you join the Unity project?
[22:48] <bashfulrobot> Maik: (tag did not seem to work). ☝️
[22:48] <diddledan> wfm ;-p
[22:49]  * bashfulrobot 🤦
[22:49] <wxl> Maik: what's your username on the NL forum?
[22:49] <wxl> (a link to your profile would suffice)
[22:50] <Maik> bashfulrobot: i joined Ubuntu Unity since June/July but been active on and off 13+years at Ubuntu in general
[22:51] <Maik> wxl: that would be a problem since my old account on Ubuntu NL isn't active anymore
[22:52] <wxl> Maik: but surely there's a new one you've been using?
[22:53] <Maik> yes but it's one from just recently. My old account was DarkEra, the new one is M_aD on Ubuntu NL
[22:54] <bashfulrobot> Maik: Can you maybe describe some of your more recent contributions over the last year?
[22:54] <Maik> wxl: here's an older topic from my old account: https://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/index.php?topic=43187.msg433574#msg433574
[22:54] <wxl> Maik: what about an example from the new one?
[22:57] <Maik> bashfulrobot: over the last year, when i had the time, i've been trying to help on IRC and the NL forum and then with Ubuntu Unity. It was a bit difficult to be more active due my job.
[22:58] <diddledan> how do you plan to progress your contribution in the coming months?
[22:58] <Maik> wxl: here's a recent one: https://forum.ubuntu-nl.org/index.php?topic=108364.msg1053054#msg1053054
[22:59] <Maik> diddledan: trying to be more active on IRC and the forums providing constructive answers that can help other users
[23:01] <Wild_Man> Maik how often do you think you answer questions and how far back did you start answering questions again?]
[23:04] <wxl> Maik: do you have a link to your profile on the ubuntu unity forums?
[23:05] <Maik> Wild_Man: at least more often than i did lately if i know or find the answer a user is looking for. How far back i started again is hard to tell but it has been some months ago, lost count though.
[23:06] <Maik> wxl: sure, https://www.foss.ubuntuunity.org/forums/profile
[23:06] <rs2009> Wild_Man: I can verify the claim, being the lead of Ubuntu Unity. He actively helps community members and extremely active. I doubt he sleeps. :)
[23:06] <wxl> oh that didn't work
[23:06] <wxl> what's your username there?
[23:06] <Maik> keep in mind though i was active before the new forum was set up
[23:06] <Wild_Man> rs2009, has he been active for the last six months
[23:07] <Maik> wxl:  M_aD
[23:08] <rs2009> Wild_Man: Ubuntu Unity was created in May, 5 months ago. He joined maybe a month later. He is extremely active on Telegram. The forums are not used much at the moment by the community, but he.
[23:08] <rs2009> > he's active there as well.
[23:09] <Maik> Wild_Man: i've been active in the Ubuntu and Ubuntu NL community itself throughout the last 12+ years, sometimes more sometimes less.
[23:10] <Maik> most of my time i spend with Ubuntu NL
[23:11] <diddledan> we're over the hour mark, is everyone ok if I move onto the votes?
[23:12] <bashfulrobot> yes
[23:12] <bashfulrobot> I am
[23:12] <wxl> i'm ready
[23:12] <rs2009> Before the voting starts, I would like to say that I support Maik's application. (testimonial as described in Wiki)
[23:13] <diddledan> thanks, rs2009
[23:13] <Maik> rs2009: thank you
[23:13] <diddledan> #vote Maik's application for Ubuntu Membership
[23:13] <meetingology> Please vote on: Maik's application for Ubuntu Membership
[23:13] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[23:14] <diddledan> #voters bashfulrobot, wxl, diddledan, wild_man
[23:14] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: wild_man
[23:14] <meetingology> Current voters: Wild_Man bashfulrobot diddledan wild_man wxl
[23:14] <diddledan> #nick wild_man
[23:14] <diddledan> #voters bashfulrobot, wxl, diddledan, wild_man
[23:14] <meetingology> Current voters: Wild_Man bashfulrobot diddledan wild_man wxl
[23:14] <wxl> +1 glad to see you back in the community and hope to see you more
[23:14] <meetingology> +1 glad to see you back in the community and hope to see you more received from wxl
[23:14] <bashfulrobot> +1 While the current is a little short, has a longer history.
[23:14] <meetingology> +1 While the current is a little short, has a longer history. received from bashfulrobot
[23:15] <diddledan> 0 I'd like to see a little bit more recent evidence but it's not a deal breaker considering your longer term history so I'm going to abstain
[23:15] <meetingology> 0 I'd like to see a little bit more recent evidence but it's not a deal breaker considering your longer term history so I'm going to abstain received from diddledan
[23:15] <diddledan> #votesrequired 2
[23:15] <meetingology> votes now need 2 to be passed
[23:16] <diddledan> #action wild_man 0
[23:16] <meetingology> ACTION: wild_man 0
[23:16] <diddledan> #action wild_man 0 wild_man also abstained but had to disconnect
[23:16] <meetingology> ACTION: wild_man 0 wild_man also abstained but had to disconnect
[23:16] <diddledan> #endvote
[23:16] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Maik's application for Ubuntu Membership
[23:16] <meetingology> Votes for:2 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[23:16] <meetingology> Motion carried
[23:17] <diddledan> congratulations Maik
[23:17] <bashfulrobot> Welcome!
[23:17] <wxl> horray!
[23:17] <oerheks> Congrats and welcome, Maik
[23:17] <Maik> thank you very much all :)
[23:17] <rs2009> Congratulations Maik! :)
[23:17] <Maik> thanks rs2009
[23:17] <diddledan> and also congrats, rs2009
[23:17] <bashfulrobot> 🎉
[23:18] <diddledan> with that, and 20 minutes over time, I'm going to call an end to the meeting :-)
[23:18] <diddledan> #endmeeting
[23:18] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Oct  1 23:18:12 2020 UTC.
[23:18] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-10-01-22.07.moin.txt
[23:18] <rs2009> Thanks, diddledan! :)
[23:18] <Maik> i should have grabbed a beer instead of a mug coffee
[23:18] <rs2009> Thanks, bashfulrobot! :)
[23:18] <bashfulrobot> no worries!
[23:19] <bashfulrobot> I have to jump to my meeting.
[23:19] <bashfulrobot> Have a good day all.
[23:19] <wxl> take care all!
[23:19] <Maik> bashfulrobot: take care, have a nice one and thanks again
[23:19] <Maik> wxl: likewise :)
[23:19] <rs2009> Good day to all! :)
[23:19] <bashfulrobot> Maik: have a good one!
[23:20] <Maik> thanks