| jayjo_ | Should I be running an NTP service on my local network? Is this like a DNS system where there is a root? Should I not use the ubuntu ones? | 01:03 |
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| jayjo_ | I'm referencing the ubuntu server docs (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs) | 01:05 |
| sarnold | jayjo_: it depends what you're doing, how many systems you've got, etc. if you've got a few thousand machines then you'd probably like the bandwidth reductions of running your own servers; if you have a need for high-quality time information, you might like your own servers | 01:05 |
| sarnold | if you've just got a dozen machines and no pressing need to have sub-ms agreement, then leaving it alone is probably fine | 01:05 |
| jayjo_ | I've never had a need for synchronization like that. I've had machines refuse to communicate because of time drift (many minutes), but that's about as bad as it's gotten | 01:18 |
| sarnold | yeah, very few sites need that kind of time sync :) | 01:30 |
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| lordievader | Good morning | 06:11 |
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| genii | GNU mailutils can use PostgreSQL backend so I'm wondering why libmailutils6 is insisting on installing mysql as a dependency when PostreSQL is already installed .... | 16:13 |
| genii | shouldn't it just look for any backend like mailutils doesn't care what MTA just so long as there IS one? | 16:14 |
| sdeziel | genii: it should only bring in libmysqlclient21, no? | 16:24 |
| genii | https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libmailutils6 indicates this but during install attempt it says: The following NEW packages will be installed: guile-2.2-libs libgsasl7 libkyotocabinet16v5 libmailutils6 libmysqlclient21 libntlm0 mailutils mailutils-common mysql-common | 16:26 |
| genii | I already have sendmail running as my MTA | 16:26 |
| sdeziel | genii: right libmysqlclient21 also brings in mysql-common | 16:41 |
| sdeziel | It's rather common to see packages bring in not strictly required dependencies for your specific use case | 16:41 |
| sdeziel | but I guess that's the price to pay for more flexibility | 16:42 |
| sdeziel | genii: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailutils/+bug/1715259 | 16:43 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1715259 in mailutils (Ubuntu) "mailutils package has dependency on mysql packages" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:43 |
| genii | Ah, ok, thanks | 16:44 |
| * genii installs bsd-mailx instead | 16:45 | |
| sdeziel | if you only needed the mail command, that's much lighter! | 16:47 |
| genii | Aye, it's mostly just to send mdadm status to a different machine and no incoming | 16:50 |
| rbasak | sdeziel, genii: I'm going to mark that bug Won't Fix for Ubuntu. It's the nature of a binary distribution like Ubuntu that dynamically linked things pull in dependencies to provide those dynamic libraries even if you don't want them yourself. | 17:19 |
| sdeziel | genii: in that case, I'd suggest using msmtp-mta which is a daemon-less MTA that relays to a real MTA (yours or Gmail's or whatever) | 17:21 |
| sdeziel | genii: much simpler and lighter weight than sendmail | 17:21 |
| sdeziel | rbasak: ack | 17:21 |
| genii | Thanks | 17:23 |
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| znf | Anyone knows where I can complain about the Ubuntu mirrors? | 21:21 |
| znf | We have the ro.archive.ubuntu.com that always points to ftp.upcnet.ro -- and this damn thing has had issues for 3+ years now | 21:22 |
| znf | Always slow as hell, think speeds like 100K/s or less, or being down completely | 21:22 |
| sdeziel | znf: there is #ubuntu-mirrors | 21:23 |
| sarnold | znf: at the moment, mirrors@ubuntu.com -- there's an #ubuntu-mirrors but it looks like no one is on duty at the moment, so the rt would be fastest | 21:23 |
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