[01:03] <jayjo_> Should I be running an NTP service on my local network? Is this like a DNS system where there is a root? Should I not use the ubuntu ones?
[01:05] <jayjo_> I'm referencing the ubuntu server docs (https://ubuntu.com/server/docs)
[01:05] <sarnold> jayjo_: it depends what you're doing, how many systems you've got, etc. if you've got a few thousand machines then you'd probably like the bandwidth reductions of running your own servers; if you have a need for high-quality time information, you might like your own servers
[01:05] <sarnold> if you've just got a dozen machines and no pressing need to have sub-ms agreement, then leaving it alone is probably fine
[01:18] <jayjo_> I've never had a need for synchronization like that. I've had machines refuse to communicate because of time drift (many minutes), but that's about as bad as it's gotten
[01:30] <sarnold> yeah, very few sites need that kind of time sync :)
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[06:11] <lordievader> Good morning
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[16:13] <genii> GNU mailutils can use PostgreSQL backend so I'm wondering why libmailutils6 is insisting on installing mysql as a dependency when PostreSQL is already installed ....
[16:14] <genii> shouldn't it just look for any backend like mailutils doesn't care what MTA just so long as there IS one?
[16:24] <sdeziel> genii: it should only bring in libmysqlclient21, no?
[16:26] <genii> https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/libmailutils6 indicates this but during install attempt it says: The following NEW packages will be installed: guile-2.2-libs libgsasl7 libkyotocabinet16v5 libmailutils6 libmysqlclient21 libntlm0 mailutils mailutils-common mysql-common
[16:26] <genii> I already have sendmail running as my MTA
[16:41] <sdeziel> genii: right libmysqlclient21 also brings in mysql-common
[16:41] <sdeziel> It's rather common to see packages bring in not strictly required dependencies for your specific use case
[16:42] <sdeziel> but I guess that's the price to pay for more flexibility
[16:43] <sdeziel> genii: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailutils/+bug/1715259
[16:43] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1715259 in mailutils (Ubuntu) "mailutils package has dependency on mysql packages" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[16:44] <genii> Ah, ok, thanks
[16:45]  * genii installs bsd-mailx instead
[16:47] <sdeziel> if you only needed the mail command, that's much lighter!
[16:50] <genii> Aye, it's mostly just to send mdadm status to a different machine and no incoming
[17:19] <rbasak> sdeziel, genii: I'm going to mark that bug Won't Fix for Ubuntu. It's the nature of a binary distribution like Ubuntu that dynamically linked things pull in dependencies to provide those dynamic libraries even if you don't want them yourself.
[17:21] <sdeziel> genii: in that case, I'd suggest using msmtp-mta which is a daemon-less MTA that relays to a real MTA (yours or Gmail's or whatever)
[17:21] <sdeziel> genii: much simpler and lighter weight than sendmail
[17:21] <sdeziel> rbasak: ack
[17:23] <genii> Thanks
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[21:21] <znf> Anyone knows where I can complain about the Ubuntu mirrors?
[21:22] <znf> We have the ro.archive.ubuntu.com that always points to ftp.upcnet.ro -- and this damn thing has had issues for 3+ years now
[21:22] <znf> Always slow as hell, think speeds like 100K/s or less, or being down completely
[21:23] <sdeziel> znf: there is #ubuntu-mirrors
[21:23] <sarnold> znf: at the moment, mirrors@ubuntu.com  -- there's an #ubuntu-mirrors but it looks like no one is on duty at the moment, so the rt would be fastest