[00:00] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Creating_an_EFI_System_Partition
[00:00] <tomreyn> ...such as which ubuntu version you're using, whether this is a fresh installation, how and what you installed.
[00:00] <zerocode> fresh
[00:00] <tomreyn> or how you ended up in this situation
[00:00] <zerocode> remove all
[00:01] <tomreyn> in more than single words, ideally.
[00:01] <joaquinighost01> tomreyn: i totally agree
[00:01] <joaquinighost01> theyre a troll
[00:02] <zerocode> i see
[00:12] <lapion> Why do the ubuntu install dvd's rely on a symbolic and or a hard-link ?
[00:13] <lapion> has everybody forgotton that the only truly useful file system for smaller usb-sticks is vfat ?
[00:13] <tomreyn> !discuss | lapion
[00:13] <lapion> and vfat cannot handle symbolic or hardlinks
[00:15] <leftyfb> lapion: the ubuntu install ISO's are ISO 9660 filesystem, not vfat
[00:15] <lapion> I know but mosty systems cannot boot from an isofs directly copied to a partition or a device other than a dvd/cd
[00:16] <lapion> and a directly copied isofs to a device renders the rest of the usb-stick useless
[00:16] <leftyfb> lapion: you can use the ubuntu startup disc creator or something like etcher to flash an iso to a flash drive which will work just fine
[00:17] <lapion> A 128GB usb stick becomes a 2.8GB readonly sitck
[00:17] <leftyfb> lapion: and you're only using it to install an OS
[00:17] <leftyfb> lapion: also, who spends bank of a 128G flash drive just to install an OS?
[00:17] <lapion> leftyfb, no that's not possible because most of those use vfat and vfat cannot do symbolic- and hard-links so the stick cannot scan the filesystem
[00:18] <lapion> leftyfb, I do put other data on it..
[00:18] <lapion> such as packages I want to have with me to not rely on other peoples internet..
[00:18] <leftyfb> lapion: flashing an iso using the ubuntu startup disc creator or etcher will wipe the filesystem on a flash drive in order to flash the iso. That's how it works
[00:19] <oerheks> mkusb can use the free part as persistence
[00:19] <oerheks> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[00:19] <lapion> no leftyfb that's how it works with the current ubuntu default installer which I stopped using the moment it started doing that
[00:20] <lapion> an iso filesystem on a sub stick is not bootable on everything but a system with a really good uefi.
[00:20] <lapion> usb
[00:21] <oerheks> iso is hybrid, legacy mbr and uefi
[00:21] <leftyfb> lapion: ISO_9660 and EFI standards would disagree with you
[00:22] <lapion> leftyfb, okay so you have all those new devices on which you install linux but most systems out there are older efi systems that are not fully compatible and of course then you have legacy boot systems
[00:23] <hackinghorn> hi, thanks, I'm connecting from ubuntu now
[00:23] <lapion> but anyhow not any part of the boot system should rely on a symbolic link
[00:23] <leftyfb> lapion: do you have a support question?
[00:23] <lapion> that's just wrong
[00:24] <tomreyn> it's been and still is a discussion, which i pointed out in the start
[00:24] <lapion> a symbolic link is just too unreliable to be used in a critical system
[00:24] <tomreyn> not the first time, but lapion keeps ignoring it.
[00:26] <lapion> If it would be useful I will set the question is a different manner.
[00:30] <lapion> Sorry guys the problem is moot..
[00:35] <lapion> porbably due to extracting the iso image with engrampa or some other extract0r somehow probably filenames or folders got extracted with the wrong filenames due to which the boot could not checksum the files
[00:36] <lapion> Yesterday I mounted the iso as a loop device and copied the files and that resolved the problems..
[00:50] <hackinghorn> I have cdrom in /etc/apt/sources.list and I read that I should comment it out to install the nvidia driver. Is that really okay?
[00:51] <tomreyn> i don't see how the two are related. but unless you would like to keep the cdrom available on your drive, commenting it out should be fine.
[00:52] <tomreyn> now what did you read aexactly, and what's your ultimate goal?
[00:55] <oerheks> if this is a live system, why install nvidia?
[00:56] <hackinghorn> eh what is live, I just installed it
[00:56] <hackinghorn> hi tomreyn, I'm installing the non-free driver nvidia-driver-450 but it says "Please insert the disc labeled Ubuntu [...] Focal Fossa [...] in the drive /cdrom" and I installed from an usb so I'm not sure how. Hence I googled and it said delete the cdrom in sources.list
[00:56] <oerheks> oh oke, odd, then the cdrom would be disabled in your update-settings
[00:56] <UbuntuDongle> I'm installing ubuntu on a PC but it can't install updates because my Wifi Adatpr dongle needs it's drive stuff which it's only set up to install on windows
[00:57] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: does this system have internet access?
[00:58] <hackinghorn> yes yeah it does
[00:58] <hackinghorn> I'm chatting with you on it lol
[00:58] <leftyfb> hackinghorn: on Ubuntu or Windows?
[00:58] <hackinghorn> eh on ubuntu
[00:58] <UbuntuDongle> I think I need a way to download the proper drivers and transfer them via another USB disc so that it can connect to internet and do all the other ubdates
[00:58] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: then just disable the cdrom sources, ensure standard apt sources are configured, and install any pending updates before you install the nvidia proprietary driver.
[00:59] <oerheks> UbuntuDongle, what wifi adapter exactly?
[00:59] <tomreyn> !repos | hackinghorn
[00:59] <hackinghorn> tomreyn, ahh thankss
[00:59] <hackinghorn> I think I can do it now
[01:01] <UbuntuDongle> DWA-171
[01:01] <ledeni> UbuntuDongle: do you have ethernet port
[01:01] <UbuntuDongle> yes and an ethernet cable but I don't really have any experience using it
[01:01] <UbuntuDongle> right now I'm able to access internet on a laptop that runs windows but my desktops definitely can't run it
[01:02] <UbuntuDongle> actually thinking Ubuntu might be a bit heavy for this desktop... it appears to have locked up during the partitioning stage of the installation
[01:02] <leftyfb> UbuntuDongle: Ubuntu is more lightweight than Windows
[01:02] <UbuntuDongle> I might need to try Lubuntu again or maybe something even smaller
[01:02] <UbuntuDongle> this thing seemed to upgrade to windows 10 fine for a few weeks then just kept stallin on startup so I figured good time to make a new start
[01:03] <leftyfb> UbuntuDongle: then maybe you should look into hardware problems like overheating
[01:03] <UbuntuDongle> the LVM was supposed to make things easier :(
[01:03] <UbuntuDongle> that could be it, maybe I ought to clean it out again, though I barely used it
[01:04] <UbuntuDongle> this all started when I unhooked it... now I'm wondering if maybe I left it where too much sunlight got at it
[01:05] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, like leftyfb says check for overheating. Have you checked for dust in your system ?
[01:06] <UbuntuDongle> I cleaned it when I inherited it, definitely used to be a lot of dust but shouldn't be there again
[01:06] <UbuntuDongle> guess it's worth a shot though
[01:06] <UbuntuDongle> of course I think I already wiped windows 10 off it
[01:06] <lapion> leftyfb, oerheks and tomreyn sorry for the rant..
[01:06] <UbuntuDongle> basically did a factory reset then the free upgrade trick
[01:06] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1164356/ubuntu-18-04-dlink-dwa171-revc-shows-as-a-memory-stick
[01:07] <UbuntuDongle> yeah I came across that, but doing update commands seems pointless if it's not connected
[01:07] <UbuntuDongle> like I would need to DL the update and then copy it over somehow
[01:07] <tomreyn> lapion: i don't mind you bringing up discussions, just do it in the right place, please.
[01:07] <oerheks> find a way to do this on wired networking.
[01:08] <lapion> tomreyn, I came at the problem from the wrong angle..
[01:09] <hackinghorn> tomreyn, I found that nvidia provides a driver for this on their website, can that work?
[01:09] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, what kind of usb stick do you use to connect ?
[01:09] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: what is "this"?
[01:09] <hackinghorn> but I'm doing what you said, not downloading that
[01:09] <hackinghorn> tomreyn, for my card, on Linux 64bit
[01:10] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: which ubuntu version is this?
[01:10] <UbuntuDongle> I used a 4GB stick to try and install ubuntu (kinda froze up it seems) and a D-Link DWA-171 AC600 MU-MIMO Wi-Fi USB ADaptor is what I want to use
[01:10] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, does any list of wifi-networks show up in the indicator applet ?
[01:10] <UbuntuDongle> I think thse desktops had internal stuff that wore out
[01:10] <hackinghorn> tomreyn, ehh focal fossa, nvm, I think I got this
[01:10] <UbuntuDongle> no, these are old and I think had corded antennae you screw in
[01:11] <UbuntuDongle> but they do nothing
[01:11] <tomreyn> hackinghorn: you should use the nvidia drivers packaged in ubuntu, not those available from nvidia.com
[01:11] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, open up a terminal and do lsusb and see if the wifi dongle is in the list of usb-devices
[01:11] <hackinghorn> yeahh, I think so
[01:13] <lapion> then run rfkill to see if the wifi sitck isn't soft-disabled..
[01:16] <lapion> hackinghorn, the latest nvidia drivers included in the distro have made huge leaps in the stability and performance during 2019
[01:16] <hackinghorn> ahh I see, thankss lapion
[01:16] <hackinghorn> heh I'm back
[01:17] <hackinghorn> brb, I will restart to test the driver
[01:18] <lapion> hackinghorn, the drivers are now working beyond even buggy uefi/bioses
[01:19] <UbuntuDongle> I'll go try this on the desktop that's running lubuntu I guess
[01:20] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, what kind of desktop is it ?
[01:21] <hackinghorn> heh it works
[01:21] <UbuntuDongle> 32bit processoer, 3gb ram, 500gb space
[01:21] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, what processor ?
[01:21] <hackinghorn> the driver is working, thanks a lot tomreyn lapion
[01:22] <lapion> np hackinghorn
[01:22] <tomreyn> you're welcome
[01:22] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, does the system have an intel or amd sticker on it ?
[01:23] <UbuntuDongle> intel
[01:24] <UbuntuDongle> btw when I put in this dongle it actually pops up like a USB stick
[01:24] <UbuntuDongle> only two files on it are autorun.inf and setup.exe
[01:25] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, does the sticker say core2 duo or celeron or pethium II or anything besides intel ?
[01:25] <oerheks> the article i gave, fixes that with usbmodeswitch
[01:25] <oerheks> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1164356/ubuntu-18-04-dlink-dwa171-revc-shows-as-a-memory-stick
[01:26] <oerheks> and howto build the driver ..
[01:27] <UbuntuDongle> viiv Q6600
[01:28] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, your system is 64bit
[01:29] <UbuntuDongle> uname -m lists it as i686 so I think 32
[01:29] <UbuntuDongle> it's a pain since a lot of stuff isn't updated for that
[01:30] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, uname -m lists information of the kernel not the cpu
[01:31] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, create a usb stick or dvd with a ubuntu-64bit iso image and you will see that it should work fine on that system
[01:32] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, if you have enough ram in that system it should run a fully-fledged ubuntu just fine since it is a core2 quad
[01:32] <lapion> a core2 quad is a quad core 64bit system
[01:36] <lapion> UbuntuDongle, your processor is equivalent of Intel Core i3-3220 performance whise
[01:38] <UbuntuDongle> maybe originally, it's nearly 15 years old so it's probably equivalent of something pathetic now
[01:38] <UbuntuDongle> or maybe processor is fine and it's just the wifi part that fails... the way an antenna has to attach is so weird\
[01:39] <UbuntuDongle> well I do have the USB stick prepped with the 64bit ubuntu iso installed
[01:39] <UbuntuDongle> it failed n desktop 2 but I could try it out on desktop 1 that's running lubuntu now I guess
[01:39] <UbuntuDongle> and I should clean out #2 tomorrow just in case
[01:39] <UbuntuDongle> gonna sleep on it now, thanks for your help everyone\
[04:00] <georged4s> Is there a way to delete a "profile" from a sound card? Every time after reboot the profile of the built-in sound card switches to "HiFi", and I need to run "pulseaudio -k && sudo alsa force-reload" and logout and back in again to see the correct profile "output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo" to be loaded.
[04:11] <WalterWhitesCook> Anyway to get rid of the ubuntu desktop guide keybind, its not in the settings
[04:13] <matsaman> georged4s: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/462670/set-default-profile-for-pulseaudio ?
[04:13] <matsaman> WalterWhitesCook: what's the shortcut?
[04:14] <WalterWhitesCook> F1
[04:14] <matsaman> which Ubuntu version?
[04:14] <WalterWhitesCook> 20.04
[04:14] <WalterWhitesCook> Its a laptop english keyboard
[04:16] <matsaman> WalterWhitesCook: this could still be applicable: https://askubuntu.com/questions/449780/how-to-disable-f1-for-help-in-gnome
[04:16] <georged4s> Thanks matsaman. I have tried that as well. I think that it is because the profile is not loaded, so when running "pactl set-card-profile <cardindex> <profilename>" it throws this error "Failure: No such entity"
[04:17] <georged4s> matsaman. pactl set-card-profile 2 output:analog-stereo+input:analog-stereo
[04:19] <matsaman> georged4s: https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=327323
[04:19] <matsaman> but it might be easier to just add your known solution to an autostart script
[04:20] <matsaman> it's pretty unlikely you actually have to log out & back in
[04:21] <georged4s> Ahh got it! thanks matsaman :)
[04:21] <matsaman> gj
[04:34] <WalterWhitesCook> I can use dconf-editor but cant add like in 14..04
[04:44] <matsaman> WalterWhitesCook: seems slim information; might take less time to remap F1 to something else, like F13
[04:44] <matsaman> and call it a day
[04:44] <matsaman> #gnome might know better, though
[04:50] <WalterWhitesCook> ok
[04:50] <WalterWhitesCook> ill check in over in #gnome
[07:40] <ktosiek> What's a good antivirus for Ubuntu with a decent GUI? I'm looking for something for 2 desktops
[07:42] <oerheks> clamav, rkhunter ..
[07:42] <oerheks> !antivirus
[07:47] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: keeping your system always up to date is also a good protection
[07:50] <ktosiek> thanks! I'm up to date, mostly using software from apt, snapcraft and a bit of flathub. I have backups of personal data done with borgbackup, in an append-only mode. The thing I'm worried about is ransomware - I'll have to purge old backups from time to time, and at that point malware would be able to just wipe them. At that moment I'll need a
[07:50] <ktosiek> known clean system
[07:50] <ktosiek> hmm
[07:52] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: any Os can be browser injected by 0day exploits, a good way of preventing access is not storing passwords in browsers, using vanilla user browsing, use sandboxes like firejail
[07:53] <ktosiek> but even then, I could just do that from a live USB, so maybe I'm overthinking it
[07:53] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: be carefull with whom you trade usb sticks with, and not downloading things that arent trusted
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: on a liveusb, the kernel version is mostly behind then current, so connected for a long time to the internet could also hold dangers
[07:54] <lotuspsychje> an offline liveusb box is a good idea though
[07:55] <ktosiek> Not storing passwords in browsers? I'm pretty happy with Keepass<->Firefox integration, or do you only mean the builtin password manager?
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> ktosiek: yeah storing anything in a browser, when its hijacked, they can steal right
[07:55] <lotuspsychje> the less info stored the better
[07:59] <ktosiek> right, I have no idea how well the FF's password manager is separated from other parts of the browser.
[07:59] <Furai> Hmm, for some time now I don't see hdmi/dp devices in sound. As in there's no option for me at all to play sound via monitors. Is this a known bug? I've only noticed recently but it could be a long standing issue cause I usually don't use it. I'm on latest nvidia driver 450.66 and kernel 5.8.12. Ubuntu 20.04 LTS.
[08:00] <lotuspsychje> Furai: did you try switching to another version of nvidia driver yet?
[08:01] <lotuspsychje> Furai: any reason you are on kernel 5.8?
[08:04] <ktosiek> Furai: can you check if the HDMI device is shown in the output of aplay -l?
[08:14] <napster> In a typical makefile, why wouldn't this work? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3y55dmhGnM/
[08:14] <napster> Ubuntu 18.04
[08:16] <lotuspsychje> !rootirc | dinis
[08:21] <Maik> ktosiek: https://easylinuxtipsproject.blogspot.com/p/security.html#ID1.1
[08:22] <Maik> according to the writer anti virus and root kit removers decrease your security
[08:24] <Furai> ktosiek, I don't see it in aplay -l. Actually now that I've asked it I remember that 5.6 introduced some problems with hdmi/display port devices. Current stable in ubuntu is 5.4, right?
[08:24] <tichun> Hello, what's the recommended way to report problems? E.g. Dash-to-dock has 500 open bugs with zero comments for ages on its github, so it seems its developed in-house/in a closed manner by Canonical. Next, mutter by default opens windows in top left corner on 20.04, how is this any good? I've changed it in dconf - org/mutter/center-new-window but that's just for me, and i'm sure that should be the default for anyone not to be confused.
[08:25] <ktosiek> Furai: my 20.04 is on 5.4, yes
[08:25] <lotuspsychje> tichun: bugs on ubuntu report to launchpad please
[08:26] <tichun> thanks
[08:26] <lotuspsychje> tichun: check first if your bug doesnt exist here yet: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell-extension-ubuntu-dock/+bugs?orderby=importance&start=0
[08:27] <lotuspsychje> tichun: oh its dash to panel? gnome-shell-extension-dash-to-panel
[08:38] <napster> In a typical makefile, why wouldn't this work? https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/3y55dmhGnM/
[08:38] <eraserpencil> hey, anyone free to help me debug a xubuntu boot from live usb?
[08:42] <Maik> eraserpencil: don't crosspost please
[08:42] <ktosiek> napster: try adding a simple target with "echo $(ARCH) $(ZMQLIB)"
[08:43] <Maik> eraserpencil: not that i can help but could you try to be more specific please about your issue?
[08:46] <ktosiek> napster: you probably want ARCH := $(shell uname -m)
[08:47] <eraserpencil> maik: Sorry about that. I have a laptop, has Windows 10, 16.04 and 20.04.1 (all functioning fine). I wanna try out Xubuntu 20.04.1, so i placed it in a live usb made with Ventoy. In that USB, I have arch, ubuntu 16.04, Ubuntu 20.04.1, Xubuntu 20.04.1. For some odd reason, I could boot into Ubuntu 16.04 installer, and the one for arch, but not
[08:47] <eraserpencil> Ubuntu 20.04.1 installer or Xubuntu 20.04.1 installer.
[08:48] <Maik> so it's a multi boot live stick then?
[08:49] <eraserpencil> I do get thr grub menu options, but just blank screen past that, hoping to be able to configure the grub parameters to atleast output some logs so I could know whats wrong? but i havent had any luck with trying to switch tty after the grub menu
[08:49] <eraserpencil> yes
[08:49] <oerheks> made with Ventoy ??
[08:49] <Maik> i have no experience with that, sorry
[08:49] <eraserpencil> https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
[08:50] <oerheks> oh, never seen or read about that..
[08:50] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: so what happens after you choose xubuntu for install?
[08:50] <eraserpencil> i installed the current partitions using that, I'm not sure why I cant get pass the Grub menu. or even get logs about the booting process
[08:51] <eraserpencil> i select xubuntu, i go to grub, i select "try xubuntu ..." blank screen
[08:51] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: F1 to textboot gives no errors at all?
[08:51] <eraserpencil> nope
[08:52] <eraserpencil> im not sure F1 did anything
[08:52] <eraserpencil> i dont see any text
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: you dont have secureboot enabled or so?
[08:52] <eraserpencil> nope
[08:52] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: nvidia card?
[08:52] <eraserpencil> yes nvidia card
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> wich chipset?
[08:53] <eraserpencil> i did try "nomodeset" with grub
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> ah kk tnx
[08:53] <eraserpencil> gtx1070 if thats what you're asking
[08:53] <lotuspsychje> yeah gtx cards result into blank a lot, needs nomodeset bypass
[08:54] <lotuspsychje> guiverc: did you notice any recent xubuntu 20.04.1 bugs lately?
[08:54] <oerheks> nomodeset  would be the same for other iso' s on that multi usb,...
[08:54] <eraserpencil> so if i understand correctly, grub is unable to find the files to boot the kernel proper?
[08:55] <oerheks> multi boot usb, not worth the trouble, IMHO
[08:55] <guiverc> lotuspsychje, no i'm not aware of any sorry (none come to mind anyway)
[08:55] <lotuspsychje> eraserpencil: maybe to compare, with an usb stick made from ubuntu disk creator single?
[08:56] <eraserpencil> okay, i'll give that a try. last question. in Grub, i see "file=/cdrom/preseed/xubuntu.seed"
[08:56] <eraserpencil> is that correct?
[09:37] <irgendwer4711> hi, how to just download a release upgrade only?
[09:38] <tomreyn> irgendwer4711: more context please
[09:38] <oerheks> there is no release upgrade package/iso, full iso with point release or daily builds
[09:39] <irgendwer4711> to do an do-release-upgrade wihtout installing, just download for later use
[09:39] <tomreyn> i don't think do-release-upgrade supports this scenario.
[09:39] <irgendwer4711> maybe another way?
[09:40] <tomreyn> none that's supported. why would you need this?
[09:43] <irgendwer4711> because of lame internet
[09:47] <oerheks> there is the !offline method, not sure it covers release upgrades, i think not.
[09:47] <oerheks> !offline
[09:52] <EriC^^> irgendwer4711: maybe you can download the iso and it offers a reinstall but leave your current system/packages/user files intact?
[09:53] <irgendwer4711> oerheks: its a server, no desktop
[09:55] <oerheks> oh server, i hope it is not visible from the www, without updates.
[09:55] <irgendwer4711> what? dist-upgrade!
[10:01] <iekfkk> shopt -s autocd. can i change the config file, instead of .bashrc to run that cmd....
[10:01] <iekfkk> i am looking for that alternative as it's faster
[10:01] <lotuspsychje> irgendwer4711: when you ask a question, please add as much info as possible so volunteers can advice you properly, ubuntu version, desktop/server, wich version to wich, etc see !details
[10:01] <iekfkk> similar to systemd
[10:02] <oerheks> "shopt -s autocd" sounds like OSX
[10:05] <jlj> Saw on ask... that the Acer Aspire E5-511 and 20.04 do _not_ play well together. Can confirm. No keyboard or trackpad upon boot-up(!). Trying 18.04 now.
[10:05] <lotuspsychje> jlj: do you have a bug about that?
[10:06] <jlj> Hang on -- let me see whether that poster's filed it...
[10:07] <jlj> H'm... Actually, it may not have been reported yet: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1275809/ubuntu-20-04-lts-laptop-internal-keyboard-and-touchpad-no-longer-work
[10:08] <jlj> I'll do a bit more digging. Just sort of assumed... :-P
[10:08] <lotuspsychje> jlj: did you try this on a clean install/live 20.04.1 ?
[10:11] <jlj> Yeah, clean install of an image I'd burned, maybe a few weeks ago... Just checking... Yeah, it is 20.04.1.
[10:11] <jlj> "other posts on ask ubuntu suggested it's a bug in recent version of the linux kernel"
[10:11] <jlj> H'm, not the same as it's been reported as a bug...
[10:12] <lotuspsychje> jlj: i always advice when something doesnt work out of the box on ubuntu, affect to the existing bug, or file a new !bug
[10:14] <jlj> lotuspsychje: absolutely. Will do. Just so used to the community being on it, I guess. Cheers!
[10:15] <lotuspsychje> jlj: oh yeah, you did a good thing asking here, maybe volunteers know a solution, still its good for the dev knowing about the bug, so they can work on it
[10:16] <jlj> Gotcha!
[10:34] <{g}> Howdy People!
[10:36] <tichun> Hi, do snap packages use some power saving methods? i can see vs code gets blank after not using it for a while, or maybe its on the applications part
[10:58] <lesshaste>  I want to print an image at its actual size but it always prints full page. How can I print it smaller?
[11:00] <{g}> lesshaste: How do you print it?
[11:01] <lesshaste> {g}, using eog currently but happy to use any other method
[11:01] <{g}> lesshaste: Well, I have no idea. I print something maybe once a year. Maybe even less often.
[11:02] <{g}> Every time I am surprised my old laserprinter still works perfectly.
[11:02] <lesshaste> not massively helpful :)
[11:04] <tomreyn> lesshaste: check if you have a "fit to page" or "shrink to page" option set in the printer driver or the applications' print settings
[11:05] <{g}> lesshaste: I just print from whatever program opens the file. Usually Libre Office I think. It has a bunch of knobs and stuff for settings.
[11:05] <oerheks> settings in cups, yes
[11:06] <oerheks> i think all channels he asked gives the same answer
[11:07] <lesshaste> tomreyn,  thanks
[11:15] <oxek> when I create a LUKS encrypted USB stick using gnome-disk-utility, and then mount it using the same utility (or Thunar), only root has write permissions to the directory
[11:16] <oxek> how can I make current user be able to write to the dir?
[11:25] <tomreyn> chown -R $USER /media/$USER/name_of_mount
[11:28] <oxek> tomreyn: so there's no graphical option to do it? only terminal?
[11:29] <tomreyn> oxek: there probably is, i just don't know.
[11:30] <hotsoup> sudo chown -R yourusername /media/nameofusbmount    I'm not sure how to do by GUI because each FM has different method for open as admin
[11:30] <oxek> it's really odd that I can partition the stick, create a luks partition on it, and mount it - all without root privileges, but then I need root privileges to write files to it
[11:31] <hotsoup> I'm not that strong on permissions either.  It's a headache but it makes the system safe too.
[11:32] <hotsoup> that command we gave you should change permissions for you if its owned by root though.
[11:33] <oxek> I'll see what I can do with it. Thank you both.
[11:45] <oxek> it works, thank you
[11:45] <hotsoup> :-)
[12:06] <thiras> hello. what is the command to run an application with the nvidia card?
[12:06] <thiras> it's 20.04 and official drivers from the official repository
[12:12] <Maik> thiras: errrr... if the drivers are installed properly everything runs through nvidia already....
[12:13] <thiras> Maik, no it doesn't. i was launching the steam client with right click -> launch with dedicated graphic card button
[12:14] <thiras> but now steam got updated. that option has gone. instead there are shortcuts of steam (like store friends etc.)
[12:14] <Maik> i don't use steam so i can't tell. Maybe someone else knows.
[12:30] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:37] <thiras> still looking for a solution
[12:37] <thiras> seems it's a fresh update no question on reddit or askubuntu
[12:57] <Maik> thiras: try asking over at steam
[14:04] <Doc-Saintly> Is there a way to make the TouchPad only have a left and right clicks instead of also having a middle click?
[14:04] <Doc-Saintly> In the settings I can only see "left click only" or "automatic" which results in 3 buttons.
[14:04] <Doc-Saintly> I just want left and right.
[14:08] <isomari> greetings, how do I upgrade from 19.10 to 20.04? the usual method complains with "Your Ubuntu release is not supported anymore"
[14:08] <tomreyn> isomari: i just responded to the same question you asked in #kubuntu at the same time
[14:08] <tomreyn> !crosspost | isomari
[14:09] <isomari> tomreyn: sorry.
[14:25] <Skotten32> I'm trying to rsync a mounted drive on a ubuntu live session to my server, however I get an error. rsync -a /mnt/lars lars@192.168.1.11:/home/lars/Is there a way to do this?
[14:28] <tomreyn> and the error message is? and which ubuntu version is the live session on, and what's running on the server at .11?
[14:30] <Skotten32> All errors har permission related, such as: rsync: [sender] send_files failed to open "/mnt/lars/.cert/nm-openvpn/ca-us13.nordvpn.com.tcp443-ca.pem": Permission denied (13) I've also tried with sudo-prefix.
[14:30] <Skotten32> Live session is 20.10, server is 20.04.
[14:31] <Skotten32> (I've ended up with the beta version due to extensive problems, ref https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2451324
[14:32] <tomreyn> !ubuntu+1
[14:33] <Skotten32> Ok. I believe this issue is non-specific to 20.10, but related to rsync, hence why I asked here.
[14:34] <tomreyn>  !bootparm pci=noaer should help you work around the AER problems
[14:35] <tomreyn> a bios upgrade may also help
[14:36] <Skotten32> Ok. How do I add !bootparm pci=noaer Is it possible to do that with boot-repair, or should I do it manually during boot?
[14:37] <tomreyn> alternatively, pcie_aspm=off , but this will increase power consumption
[14:37] <tomreyn> !bootparm | Skotten32
[14:37] <tomreyn> !kernelparm | Skotten32
[14:38] <Skotten32> Thank you. I'm using the machine with issues now so I need to log off to try.
[14:38] <tomreyn> about rsync, may not be specific to groovy, but until you've proven that, support is in #ubuntu+1 only
[14:39] <tomreyn> good luck
[15:13] <jpmiller25> Hey ubuntu masters, first time install on an actual machine (I've used VM's for a while) - Ubuntu is incredibly slow to do anything
[15:14] <jpmiller25> I'm on the live boot right now and it's snappy but booting to the install is crazy slow. Surface pro 4, booting from a USB hard drive. I'm not sure what logs to get to start diagnosing.
[15:19] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: if you have internet access:   journalctl -b -p3 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:19] <jpmiller25> I do, but from the live machine.  The OS is installed on the usb drive which is mounted in media
[15:19] <jpmiller25> is that command still OK to get you what you need?
[15:20] <tomreyn> no
[15:20] <tomreyn> does it have wired internet access?
[15:21] <tomreyn> probably not, unless you're tethering.
[15:22] <tomreyn> or have a usb -> ethernet dingle
[15:22] <tomreyn> *dongle
[15:35] <jpmiller25> sorry yall the live install kicked me off wifi and I had to reboot to get back on
[15:35] <jpmiller25> I'm having a problem with my ubuntu install being incredibly slow, installed yesterday on usb3.0 drive on a surface pro 4
[15:36] <jpmiller25> I got it to complete update && upgrade yesterday but it took 4 hrs, hoped that would help the speed but it is still incredibly slow - takes 30 sec to 1 min to register a mouse click, wont even open software app
[15:36] <jpmiller25> I'm currently on live drive with the OS install mounted under media
[15:41] <jlj> lotuspsychje: just to follow-up, it had been reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1894125
[15:43] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: sudo journalctl -b -p3 --root /media/*/ 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:46] <jpmiller25> tomreyn: https://termbin.com/tb17
[15:46] <jpmiller25> says no journal file found
[15:46] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: ah, my bad.
[15:47] <tomreyn> sudo journalctl -b -p3 --root /media/$USER/* 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:47] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: this assumes you only have mounted one file system to /media
[15:48] <tomreyn> otherwise, replace /media/$USER/* by the concrete mount point
[15:48] <tomreyn> i.e. what    gio mount -l    lists, but with file:// stripped
[15:48] <jpmiller25> https://termbin.com/s6kx
[15:48] <jpmiller25> its getting the efi partition
[15:48] <tomreyn> see above
[15:48] <jpmiller25> the correct directory is a long name, ill get it to work
[15:49] <jpmiller25> ok
[15:50] <jpmiller25> https://termbin.com/eogzg
[15:52] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: which ubutnu release is this?
[15:53] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: the one you installed, that is, not the live system (though that could be of interest as well)
[15:53] <jpmiller25> 20
[15:53] <jpmiller25> both
[15:54] <jpmiller25> current, 20.04.1
[15:55] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: well, let's see the full log then:  sudo journalctl -b --root /media/$USER/LONG_ID_HERE 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[15:55] <tomreyn> replace LONG_ID_HERE by ... you know what
[15:56] <jpmiller25> https://termbin.com/l594
[15:57] <tomreyn> you have BIOS 109.3192.768 03.24.2020 - check for an upgrade while i have a look at your logs
[15:58] <tomreyn> "03.24.2020" is the build date (usually same or some weeks / months before the release date given on vendor support websites)
[15:59] <tomreyn> you run zfs on this?
[16:00] <jpmiller25> I did update the surface firmware from this site a few days ago while going through this process, I had some trouble getting the efi right
[16:00] <jpmiller25> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=49498
[16:00] <jpmiller25> whats zfs?
[16:00] <tomreyn> an installation option marked as experimental
[16:01] <tomreyn> a specific file system
[16:01] <jpmiller25> not that I know of...
[16:01] <tomreyn> ok, maybe those messages are normal on 20.40.1
[16:03] <tomreyn> so maybe those last two lines of your log point to the problem, udisks2, a service/utility to enable normal users to mount file systems in their graphical file browser conveniently, to /media/$USER/...
[16:04] <tomreyn> you could try purging it. or to ensure you have all the latest updates installed first of all:   sudo apt update & sudo apt full-upgrade
[16:07] <tomreyn> "systemd[1]: networkd-dispatcher.service: start operation timed out. Terminating." also indicates a problem. your system network configuration seems to be managed by systemd-networkd even though it's a desktop / end user device?
[16:07] <tomreyn> those usually use network-manager instead
[16:09] <jpmiller25> hm ok
[16:09] <tomreyn> lack of ram could be an issue, too. you have 4 GB physical ram installed, of which some is taken by intel graphics.
[16:09] <jpmiller25> i did get it to do update & upgrade yesterday, took just over 4 hours and it did complete
[16:09] <jpmiller25> but still super slow
[16:10] <EriC^^> jpmiller25: any large cpu usage is 'top' ?
[16:10] <EriC^^> *in
[16:10] <jpmiller25> ok could be ram, but it seems weird the live system is at least usable
[16:10] <jpmiller25> i did get sysmon to run yesterday while doing upgrade,
[16:11] <jpmiller25> the 4 cores showed pretty even usage they took turns, but never really went over 50%
[16:11] <jpmiller25> usually 25-30%
[16:11] <EriC^^> jpmiller25: what's the output of 'free -h; ps aux | sort -k3 | tail
[16:12] <tomreyn> you wrote "booting from a USB hard drive" initially, did this refer to how you boot normally, or to how you booted the live system?
[16:13] <jpmiller25> https://termbin.com/mg9t4
[16:13] <jpmiller25> tomreyn: both. Live system on usb thumb drive, installed OS on usb 3.0 hard drive
[16:14] <SmellyCat> I have ssh-ed into a remote 16.04 server and did a do-release-upgrade. While it was downloading (400+) updates, I pressed CTRL-C. I assumed that as long as it didn't install anything, I could interrupt the process and restart it, but this didn't really work out how I expected. When I do a do-release-upgrade now, it says I should "install all available updates first". How should I proceed and either revert to a correct 16.04 which
[16:14] <SmellyCat> can be upgraded or continue the upgrade from this situation?
[16:15] <tomreyn> when booting normally, you have   sda = Verbatim Store n Go Drive, 4 GB; sdb = USB DISK 3.0, 115 GB; there's also an nvme mentioned, but not used?
[16:15] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: ^
[16:17] <jpmiller25> nvme is the internal ssd on the surface, I'm keeping the windows install on that one
[16:29] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: but you're saying the system booted faster off the usb-3.0 thumb drive before, right? those cheap flash drives are generally unreliable, i wouldn't expect anything to work well off them, especially if you do regular writes to them
[16:29] <tomreyn> better get an external ssd then
[16:32] <jpmiller25> yeah the os is installed on an external ssd, usb3.0    I got it installed yesterday, but I have never gotten it to operate in any usable fashion, its been incredibly slow since the install.  I'm on the live system right now booted off a flash drive, and it's doing great, at least usable
[16:33] <jpmiller25> maybe I just need to try this whole install over again, maybe 18.04 will work better, idk
[16:34] <compdoc> 18.04 is pretty nice
[16:35] <lotuspsychje> jlj: nice find, did you affect yourself to the bug?
[16:38] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: you should either not partition the full ssd, or enable (fs)TRIM/discard
[16:40] <jpmiller25> tomreyn: hm ok, in the install sequence I selected the 'other' option and then partitioned the efi, ext4, and swap before install
[16:41] <jpmiller25> temreyn: is that not the right thing to do?
[16:42] <tomreyn> jpmiller25: that's fine. it's just that ssds can get slow after many writes if the firmware has no menas to juggle data around on disk.
[16:43] <hotsoup> Hi all. Have a problem with my screenshot utility. I'm using 20.04 Ubuntu and using standard gnome-screenshot tool. I want it to save my screenshots to ~/Pictures/screenshots however I can't get the program to do this.  dconf-editor allows me to save the settings but it seems that gnome-screenshot ignores it and continues to save in ~/Pictures. Does anyone else know about this? Am I doing something wrong?
[16:43] <tomreyn> that's why you should either ensure you leave some percentage of unpartitioned space, or use (fs)TRIM/discard to make it aware which parts of the storage aren't actually in use.
[16:45] <jpmiller25> ok I'm formatting now with gparted.  If I go into the install with it unallocated, can the install do the partitions automatically?
[16:47] <jpmiller25> EriC^^: I kind of hate to do this and undo the work we did yesterday, but idk what else to do!
[16:47] <basenode> is this a valid tmux config? is_vim="ps -o state= -o comm= -t '#{pane_tty}' | grep -iqE '^[^TXZ ]+ +(\\S+\\/)?g?(view|n?vim?x?)(diff)?$'"
[16:48] <basenode> i have a bunch of "bind -n C-{} if-shell "$is_vim" ..." commands that seem to work even if im not in vim
[16:50] <lotuspsychje> hotsoup: i can confirm, changing dir in dconf-editor doesnt create a screenshot folder neither
[16:54] <lotuspsychje> hotsoup: check bug #1862423 please
[16:59] <Rad> i dont know why happends this, i switch between desktop manager (xfce4 and mate) and now on mate i can't change wallpaper, just appear a blank img (grey or white ) and i cant't chage , on reboot first appears wallpaper i've choosen, but after 5 seconds , blank colour appear again and same history... any idea how to chage this?
[17:07] <hotsoup> lotuspsychie is this a lunchpad bug assignment?
[17:07] <hotsoup> launchpad
[17:08] <hotsoup> I didn't see the bot below your post. going there now.
[17:10] <lotuspsychje> hotsoup: if you feel this is happening to you, please affect to the bug on the left upper corner 'yes this affects me'
[17:17] <hotsoup> I will look for that.  Ill put a script in in the mean time to move all screenshot files to my desired directory until a fix gets released.
[17:18] <hotsoup> Apparently, only two other people have reported this affects them so might be waiting a while :-/  Thanks again. much appreciated.
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> hotsoup: you can affect the bug with a launchpad account, affecting actually helps speeding up bug solving, you help yourself and the community with that
[17:20] <hotsoup> I made my own shortcut in settings "/usr/bin/gnome-screenshots -i"  Then I assigned to print screen.  Interactive mode does remember last saved directory so thats a safe work around for the archive.
[17:21] <hotsoup> I have a launchpad account but I don't know how to code. I'm new to linux as my full time OS and I'm trying but coding is a steep learning curve.
[17:22] <hotsoup> Thanks for your help lotuspsychie
[17:24] <lotuspsychje> hotsoup: yoi dont need to code to affect a bug, it just means the bug is what you experience, and the devs can see the users affected
[17:38] <RadioMan> doh
[17:38] <lotuspsychje> RadioMan: welcome, how can we help you?
[18:09] <sqpp> Hello :)
[18:10] <sqpp> So I was trying to install the latest ubuntu release 20.04.1 but it crashed at the very end of installation and the bug which was reported is the following
[18:10] <sqpp> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1871268
[18:10] <sqpp> Wonder if there is any soluton for this other an unselecting?
[18:10] <sqpp> because unfortunately, I can't use SecureBoot otherwise.
[18:11] <TJ-> sqpp: is the system currently still in the installer?
[18:11] <sqpp> What?
[18:11] <sqpp> I simply insert the USB and click on Install Ubuntu then I proceed with it
[18:12] <TJ-> sqpp: Is the installer still running, right now, on the target PC
[18:12] <sqpp> I am from the actual target PC
[18:12] <sqpp> since I only have one
[18:12] <TJ-> sqpp: if it is there are ways to manually intervene *if* you've started the installer with the "Try Ubuntu" option
[18:12] <sqpp> No, I did not
[18:12] <sqpp> I clicked on Install
[18:13] <sqpp> "I simply insert the USB and click on Install Ubuntu then I proceed with it"
[18:13] <TJ-> sqpp: as far as I recall, in the direct install mode, there isn't an easy way to do manual intervention when things go wrong
[18:13] <sqpp> I can always just restart the process or use a Win10 USB so
[18:14] <sqpp> The problem is the system is not a quiet easy one
[18:14] <sqpp> since it has Dual GPU
[18:14] <sqpp> as it's a laptop
[18:14] <sqpp> and there is also a eGPU that I am planning to use
[18:14] <sqpp> but right now that is disconnected.
[18:14] <Javido> ç/j #GNOME
[18:15] <sqpp> ?
[18:16] <TJ-> sqpp: according to the bug report the latest CD Image has the fix in it. When did you last download the installer image?
[18:16] <sqpp> today
[18:17] <sqpp> using https://ubuntu.com/#download
[18:21] <sqpp> I will try the daily one
[18:22] <tommorowo> hello everyone, I've installed ubuntu 20.04 on my new laptop Asus Zenbook 14 um425ia and I can't set brightness of the screen (different settings have no effect), suspend also doesn't work, but it seems like something is wrong with firmware maybe? could anyone help me please?
[18:23] <tommorowo> I
[18:23] <TJ-> sqpp: see this comment for the  daily-live fixed images: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/1871268/comments/83
[18:23] <sqpp> yeah
[18:23] <sqpp> problem is I will need a different computer to burn it to the USB
[18:23] <sqpp> or no?
[18:23] <TJ-> sqpp: if you boot the current (broken) installer in "Try Ubuntu" mode you can use that
[18:24] <sqpp> oh true
[18:24] <TJ-> sqpp: in "Try Ubuntu" it starts to a live desktop where the Installer is an icon on the desktop that you don't have to start
[18:24] <sqpp> So it loaded into RAM right?
[18:24] <TJ-> sqpp: correct
[18:25] <sqpp> All right
[18:25] <sqpp> Unetbootin is good for this?
[18:25] <sqpp> since I used that on Windows too
[18:25] <TJ-> sqpp: I can't say as I don't use Windows, nor the regular installers :)
[18:25] <sqpp> I mean I just find this interesting
[18:25] <sqpp> I can remove the files from the USB
[18:25] <sqpp> that actually booted
[18:26] <sqpp> hopefully everything is in the RAM
[18:26] <sqpp> so I can just remove them >D
[18:26] <sqpp> Anyways, see you soon
[18:26] <TJ-> good luck!
[18:33] <sqpp> From phone atm
[18:43] <robert45> hi guys, how can I calculate the cpu usage % on a multi core server? top gives the info per core only
[18:50] <pavlos> robert45: press 1 and top will show all cores
[18:51] <robert45> pavlos I know. Im looking for a total, not per core
[18:53] <pavlos> robert45: https://support.site24x7.com/portal/en/kb/articles/how-is-cpu-utilization-calculated-for-a-linux-server-monitor
[18:53] <sqpp> Anyone knows a fast way to write iso to usb?
[18:54] <pavlos> sqpp: use usb3
[18:54] <sqpp> Accessible from ubuntu packages?
[18:57] <pavlos> sqpp: you can use dd
[18:58] <sqpp> The guy who helped me still here?
[18:58] <robert45> pavlos Thanks, this is what I been looking
[18:58] <sqpp> I just want to ask LTD probably is the best gor me right? i mean towards the bug
[18:58] <sqpp> So focal builds
[19:04] <sqpp> Crashed again..
[19:12] <TJ-> sqpp: to write an ISO9660 image to a USB, assuming the USB device appears as /dev/sdz and the ISO file is $HOME/Downloads/ubuntu-focal-desktop_amd64.iso, in a terminal one would do, "sudo dd if=$HOME/Downloads/ubuntu-focal-desktop_amd64.iso of=/dev/sdz bs=150M status=progress conv=fdatasync,fsync"
[19:13] <sqpp> Nah, I mean
[19:13] <sqpp> Regards the install
[19:13] <sqpp> It seems installed though
[19:13] <foxtrack> ive reinstalled my system without backing up the windows partition, and hence the drivers for the mouse is out and i cant boot into windows .iso because of my tab key being broken. does anyone have another alternative on a laptop keyboard with inlet number pad so that i can tab past the langauge settings and reinstall windows along side my linux
[19:13] <TJ-> sqpp: that sounds hopeful
[19:13] <sqpp> Yeah, but it was the same earlier
[19:14] <sqpp> I still got the same message though
[19:14] <TJ-> sqpp: was this using the Try Ubuntu method?
[19:14] <sqpp> Yes ofc
[19:14] <sqpp> Ino
[19:14] <sqpp> Lol
[19:14] <sqpp> You confused me
[19:14] <sqpp> I meant using the install ubuntu
[19:14] <TJ-> sqpp: OK, so once the installer ends/fails whatever, you still have control of the system and can manually correct it
[19:14] <foxtrack> Actually what I really need is a way to wipe my entire drive.
[19:14] <foxtrack> and then worry about it later.
[19:15] <sqpp> By the way hope TB3 finally works in latest release
[19:15] <TJ-> TB3?
[19:15] <sqpp> Thunderbolt 3
[19:15] <sqpp> Egpu
[19:15] <TJ-> sqpp: ahhh!
[19:16] <TJ-> I was going to say, that's a very old version of Mozilla Thunderbird email client!
[19:16] <sqpp> Thinkpad powa
[19:17] <sqpp> All I just want to have a working OS
[19:17] <sqpp> Without bloatware
[19:17] <sqpp> And able to play War Thunder lol
[19:17] <leftyfb> foxtober: your issue is with hardware and Windows. Nothing to do with linux at all. Try an external usb keyboard
[19:18] <foxtober> leftyfb: what? did you ping the wrong person lol
[19:18] <leftyfb> sorry
[19:19] <leftyfb> they left
[19:19] <foxtober> oh
[19:22] <sqpp> One point to Griffendor
[19:27] <foxtrack> yeah sorry, so i dont know what i need to be looking for. i reinstalled the system. this guy was smart. converted my jump drive into a section of 512 mb fat 12... i dont even fucking know. so how does one recover from being hacked?
[19:28] <hggdh> foxtrack: please do mind your language
[19:28] <foxtrack> old habits die hard. apologies.
[19:28] <foxtrack> noted.
[19:28] <hggdh> np :-)
[19:29] <foxtrack> im just a wee bit frustrated.
[19:30] <foxtrack> Ive recently had some keyboard problems as well, possibly unrelated. I cant get into windows to download it because there's no mouse drivers for windows on here anymore.
[19:30] <sqpp> @TJ- boot seems messed up a.bit tho
[19:30] <foxtrack> my tab key if it wasnt out, i could likely have no problems.
[19:31] <foxtrack> with the tab key and the mouse both out because of.. drivers? I cant do anything with the windows .iso.
[19:33] <foxtrack> yeah. these arent even #ubuntu questions, are they.
[19:33]  * foxtrack face palms
[19:38] <sqpp> anyone uses EGPU here?
[19:42] <Squarism> in unity I could hit some key to get a list of practical keyboard shortcuts with nice help texts. Is there something similar in Gnome?
[19:49] <Maik> Squarism: If you mean the list that pops up in Unity by holding down the superkey then i don't think so. At least i never found it.
[19:49] <Squarism> Maik, that sounds familiar. Yes. Ok, too bad.
[19:49] <TJ-> Gnome expects you to be clairvoyant :)
[19:53] <Maik> Squarism: miss Unity? :)
[19:55] <Squarism> Maik, tbh both gnome and unity dissappoint me mostly. Even If I've primarily been ubuntu user (since 2011 and lately exclusively) I miss windows as a window manager. Like linux though
[19:56] <Squarism> I hope things will get better with Wayland.
[19:57] <Maik> i see.
[19:57] <Squarism> Desktop apps based on QT and GTK often seem glitchy and wonky and badly designed. No clue why that is.
[19:57] <Seven_Six_Two> Squarism, have you tried any others, like XFCE, KDE?
[19:58] <Squarism> Seven_Six_Two, I have not. Maybe I should
[19:59] <Seven_Six_Two> I've been using Cinnamon for a long time now, and really like it.
[20:00] <Squarism> I have very little insight in machinery powering the desktop environments and GTK/QT. But I've understood X11 is a sh*t fest. So I guess its hard to build on a shaky api.
[20:00] <Maik> my bad and i should have brought it up earlier by inviting..... let's join #ubuntu-discuss if we want to talk about non support related stuff.  :)
[20:00] <Maik> sorry about that
[20:19] <Taymon> My laptop's built-in webcam is just recording solid black instead of the actual image. How can I debug this?
[20:21] <TJ-> Taymon: does it have a lens cover over it?
[20:22] <Taymon> No.
[20:22] <Taymon> There are no moving parts anywhere near it.
[20:22] <tomreyn> Taymon: sometimes those are barely visible. if you like, tell us your computer model and we can check.
[20:22] <TJ-> Taymon: there may be some clues in the kernel log, "journalctl -k -n 100" might give some clues
[20:22] <Taymon> Dell XPS 15-7590
[20:23] <memelover> I updated ubuntu from 18.04 to 20.04, and I have now entered dependency hell. Outside of reinstalling, is there any way that I could restore the packages to their "default on install" state/versions? eg. I can't install ubuntu-mate-desktop due to dependencies hell. Once I follow the chain down, I can see messages from apt such as "The following packages have unmet dependencies: libgl1 : Depends: libglvnd0 (= 1.3.1-1ubuntu0.20.04.1) but
[20:23] <memelover> 1.3.2-1~kisak~b is to be installed". Please help.
[20:23] <Taymon> journalctl: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Js8KVYzDNM/
[20:24] <TJ-> memelover: looks like "~kisak~b" indicates a 3rd party repository, or PPA
[20:24] <tomreyn> Taymon: okay, no lense cover indeed.
[20:24] <Taymon> I admit it does look very much as though there's a lens cover.
[20:25] <memelover> TJ-: Thanks - it indeed looks like I still have lists from 18.04, including "kisak-ubuntu-kisak-mesa-bionic.list". This might do it. Thanks!
[20:25] <TJ-> Taymon: nothing there in the last 15 minutes as a clue
[20:28] <Taymon> Is there anything else I can try?
[20:30] <tomreyn> Taymon: you can run "lsusb" and see which model it is exactly, then search for the model and your ubuntu version and kernel version
[20:32] <Taymon> Microdia Integrated_Webcam_HD, but there don't seem to be any relevant results for that with Ubuntu 20.04.
[20:33] <jlj> lotuspsychje: I did indeed. :-)
[20:34] <mozzarella> guys help
[20:34] <TJ-> Taymon: I'd expect it to be a UVC (USB video class) device but it may have Dell-specific extension functions that the uvcvideo driver cannot understand. They may be shown earlier in the kernel log. "journalctl  -k -g uvcvideo"
[20:35] <Taymon> journalctl  -k -g uvcvideo | pastebinit
[20:35] <Taymon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/jdfhBnk9jy/
[20:35] <Taymon> By the way, the light does turn on when the camera is used, and apps say they recognize it. There's just no image.
[20:38] <TJ-> !info guvcvideo | Taymon have you tried other applications to test the camera?
[20:39] <tomreyn> memelover: as soon as you can install some software again, install apt-forktracer and run it and share it's output. also that of    grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list}
[20:39] <tomreyn> !ask | mozzarella
[20:40] <TJ-> hmmm, guvcvideo is in focal/universe
[20:45] <mozzarella> tomreyn: how can I make nautilus open video files using mpv by default?
[20:45] <krytarik> TJ-: It would seem you mean guvcview though. >_>  (Also, how crappy to spell..)
[20:46] <tomreyn> mozzarella: maybe this: settings -> details -> default applications > video
[20:46] <mozzarella> tomreyn: it's already set there
[20:47] <sqpp> TJ- woohoo works man
[20:47] <tomreyn> mozzarella: right-click on a video file which does not open with mpv, yet, select properties, open with, look for mpv, click on "set as default"
[20:47] <sqpp> eGPU and everyhing
[20:47] <sqpp> secure boot
[20:49] <TJ-> sqpp: nice one, well done"
[20:49] <sqpp> it was a hell of a night
[20:49] <sqpp> seems only secureboot was complaining here the whole time
[20:53] <sqpp> Thanks for the help man
[20:55] <mozzarella> tomreyn: it doesn't want to change
[20:55] <mozzarella> it jumps back to Video
[20:57] <mozzarella> (totem)
[20:57] <Taymon> TJ-: I've tried Chrome, Cheese, and guvcview. Nothing works.
[20:58] <TJ-> Taymon: OK, so it maye be broken. Has it ever worked?
[20:58] <Taymon> I think it worked last week but I'm not absolutely 100% sure of that, my memory isn't perfect.
[21:00] <Taymon> I guess I will try booting into Windows with a recovery disk and seeing if it works there.
[21:01] <TJ-> Taymon: it could be an ACPI issue
[21:01] <Taymon> Unless there are any more promising options?
[21:01] <Taymon> How would I debug an ACPI issue?
[21:01] <TJ-> Taymon: has the system gone through a suspend/resume cycle ?
[21:01] <TJ-> Taymon: sometimes devices are not correctly re-initialised
[21:01] <Taymon> I tried immediately after rebooting. Didn't work.
[21:02] <TJ-> Taymon: this may be a workaround https://iam.tj/prototype/enhancements/Windows-acpi_osi.html
[21:02] <TJ-> Taymon: also, cold boot vs warm boot can make a difference (cold boot might 'cure' it)
[21:03] <Taymon> If a cold boot doesn't fix it, does that rule out the ACPI hypothesis?
[21:04] <TJ-> Taymon: no
[21:04] <TJ-> Taymon: but sometimes warm boots leave the hardware in a different state
[21:04] <Taymon> I'll try the script and doing a cold boot.
[21:05] <tomreyn> mozzarella: hmm, i haven't seen this. which ubuntu release is this?
[21:05] <tomreyn> mozzarella: (i hope) you're not running as root, are you?
[21:07] <boredguy> 20.10 seems to have solved my zfs problems
[21:07] <Taymon> That did not fix things.
[21:07] <boredguy> No idea what went wrong with 20.04
[21:08] <boredguy> Well, at least it boots up just fine now
[21:10] <TJ-> Taymon: which "that" ?
[21:11] <Taymon> Sorry, I ran acpi_osi.sh and then did a cold reboot.
[21:11] <TJ-> Taymon: ahhh... check it has worked with "cat /proc/cmdline" and show us the output
[21:12] <Taymon> BOOT_IMAGE=/vmlinuz-5.4.0-48-generic root=/dev/mapper/vgubuntu-root ro acpi_osi=! "acpi_osi=Windows 2018" quiet splash vt.handoff=7
[21:12] <TJ-> Taymon: OK, that is correct, so it didn't help
[21:13] <TJ-> Taymon: if you start guvcvideo from a terminal there may be debug messages to give a clue
[21:14] <Taymon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/nkycD7D63g/
[21:15] <TJ-> Taymon: start it with "uvcview -w 10" to get more verbosity
[21:15] <jayjo> I have a HDD with a previous installation of ubuntu installed on it that I can't get to boot. I can see the partitions in ubuntu when I boot from another disk. THe only difference I notice from the disk utility is it says "SMART is not enabled". Would that impact booting from this disk?
[21:16] <mozzarella> tomreyn: 20.04
[21:16] <mozzarella> not rurring as root
[21:16] <Taymon> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/6FV7xmmcXk/
[21:18] <tomreyn> mozzarella: hmm, i don't know what causes it to jump back then.
[21:19] <TJ-> Taymon: looks like at least Contrast and Saturation are very low ... increase contrast if you can
[21:20] <TJ-> Taymon: saturation: " min:0 max:100 step:1 def:64 curr:0 "
[21:20] <TJ-> Taymon: so set to default of 64
[21:21] <TJ-> Taymon: looks like others aren't at default, such as white-balance so try adjusting them
[21:23] <Taymon> Tried increasing contrast, brightness, white balance. No change.
[21:24] <TJ-> Taymon: very weird; possibly broken, unless you can find another OS or kernel version to prove it does work
[21:25] <Taymon> Ok, thanks for your help.
[21:26] <TJ-> Taymon: I'd suspect someone is playing a joke on me and has slipped something over/under the lens!
[21:26] <Taymon> That's how I'm feeling too.
[21:27] <TJ-> software thinks it is working fine
[21:28] <jayjo> Actually, I mounted the EFI system partition and there was nothing there. But the second partition of this drive does have an encrypted filesystem with a home directory that includes Access-Your-Private-Data.desktop README.txt
[21:28] <TJ-> jayjo: that is ecryptfs
[21:31] <TJ-> jayjo: there's a tool, ecryptfs-recover-private , that can unlock and mount that home dir under /tmp/ for you
[21:31] <TJ-> jayjo: you need to know the passphrase, which is usually the same as the user's password
[21:36] <raecarruth> hi all
[21:36] <jayjo> Hmm. $ sudo ecryptfs-recover-private INFO: Searching for encrypted private directories (this might take a while)... find: ‘/run/user/1000/gvfs’: Permission denied find: ‘/run/user/126/gvfs’: Permission denied
[21:37] <raecarruth> how would I go about creating an auto mounted btrfs partition that can be accessed with maximum permissions by more than one user?
[21:38] <jayjo> TJ-: got it! thanks for the help! I had to specify the directory, I thought it was searching the whole system
[21:41] <TJ-> jayjo: well done :)
[21:48] <raecarruth> ?
[21:55] <sqpp> TJ- you still here man?
[21:55] <tomreyn> raecarruth: look at mount options "user" and "users", and the "chmod -R" (and potentially "chown") commands
[21:57] <sqpp> Anyone has clue
[21:57] <sqpp> how can I set the eGPU as default GPU?
[22:01] <demonspork> !fstab raecarruth
[22:01] <demonspork> Really
[22:02] <demonspork> !mount raecarruth
[22:02] <demonspork> What is the syntax for sending the information to someone
[22:03] <demonspork> raecarruth: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs and also read up about mount and fstab
[22:04] <Maik> !fstab | raecarruth
[22:06] <raecarruth> already looked at the fstab link
[22:06] <raecarruth> thanks
[22:06] <demonspork> raecarruth: btrfs isn't recommended and shouldn't be used for important data
[22:07] <raecarruth> understood
[22:07] <raecarruth> i had it working great on another system
[22:07] <demonspork> It is only useful over other file systems in narrow circumstances
[22:07] <raecarruth> what do you recommend demonspork?
[22:12] <demonspork> raecarruth: I prefer xfs or ext4. Not sure what Ubuntu installs by default these days, not my daily driver anymore. My biggest reason to avoid it is because recovery of a btrfs filesystem that has gone bad always seems much less likely to succeed
[22:13] <tomreyn> ubuntu defaults to ext4
[22:13] <demonspork> I use btrfs on my home server but only for docker because that was what unraid used by default.
[22:15] <demonspork> I had some xfs corruption from a crash the other day and a single repair command fixed it seemingly completely in 10 seconds, but the same server has completely corrupted a btrfs volume multiple times
[22:16] <raecarruth> :(
[22:17] <demonspork> raecarruth: https://amp.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/61js64/lets_discuss_why_do_you_use_or_not_use_btrfs/
[22:18] <demonspork> The post by deleted is a great summary of btrfs, but most of those advantages are tedious to maintain and are honestly most useful when fully utilized by software that uses those features, particularly containerisation like docker
[22:20] <raecarruth> thanks
[22:20] <raecarruth> pity hans reiser couldn't keep his hands to himself...
[22:21] <tatertots> #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:21] <raecarruth> sure :p
[22:24] <Ziopeppus2> hi
[22:31] <Taymon> Update for the curious: I did a factory reset to Windows 10 and the camera's still not working. At this point I'll just have to contact the manufacturer. Thanks for the help.
[22:41] <TJ-> Taymon: is it possible the camera has 'slipped' or something has got into the lens? you should be able to pop the screen bezel and check
[22:42] <Taymon> I do not see a straightforward nondestructive way to pop the screen bezel.
[22:43] <TJ-> very often they're 'just' on plastic intertwining clips and regular 'spud' and plectrum tools will open it
[22:43] <Nightmayr> Hi I've been experiencing a problem with my HDMI sound output disappearing after a while, the output is there when I list the cards using 'pacmd list-cards'. If I kill pulseaudio the sound output will return but eventually disappears I've noticed after I put the computer to sleep. Anyone know what might be causing this?
[22:44] <Taymon> This looks like it's connected more thoroughly than that, though I don't know for sure.
[22:46] <TJ-> Taymon: darn!
[22:48] <lxusr50> Nightmayr, Anything showing up in logs?  Also does it happen if you don't put the computer to sleep?
[22:50] <Nightmayr> @lxusr50 I think it may have happened even when I don't put the computer to sleep but I'm not 100% on that as I only started observing it more frequently after waking the computer from sleep. Do you know which logs would be useful to check?
[22:52] <lxusr50> Nightmayr, Probably the syslog would be the best place to start looking.
[22:52] <TJ-> Nightmayr: is the HDMI audio output the default output in Pulseaudio?
[22:52] <courrier> Sometimes dd stops working normally: it copies at at impossible speed and produces a corrupted image file. My only solution is reboot. Any idea?
[22:56] <lxusr50> Nightmayr, Might check this out if you haven't already...https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/1718927
[23:04] <Nightmayr> TJ-, `pacmd` shows my webcam as index 0 but thats an input. The HDMI output from my Nvidia GPU is index 1, index 2 is my motherboard sound card. I'm trying to use the GPU for sound output
[23:23] <sqpp> Hmm
[23:23] <sqpp> Seems my Ubuntu is kinda slow
[23:23] <sqpp> like it does not have 3D GPU acceleration
[23:23] <sqpp> or such
[23:25] <lxusr50> sqpp, Have you run 'top' from the cli to see what is eating your processor?
[23:25] <sqpp> not really
[23:26] <sqpp> Ohh
[23:26] <sqpp> Discord seems
[23:26] <lxusr50> You might want to try it.  tracker was eating my lunch last week after an upgrade to 20.04
[23:26] <sqpp> tracker?
[23:27] <sqpp> how can I test if turbo actually works?
[23:27] <lxusr50> yep...some kind of file organizer that gnome runs in the background
[23:27] <sqpp> oh
[23:27] <sqpp> isn't it is Unity now?
[23:27] <sqpp> or its renamed to GNOME again?
[23:27] <sqpp> top
[23:28] <sqpp> oups, wrong window
[23:28] <lxusr50> Yes, Unity.
[23:28] <lxusr50> sorry
[23:28] <sqpp> gnome-s+ eating a lot too
[23:28] <sqpp> 30% at least
[23:28] <sqpp> my CPU itself is a low performance one but it was fast on Windows tho
[23:28] <sqpp> even was good for gaming
[23:29] <lxusr50> Same here...Running a old HP box...Worked fine until the upgrade.  I had to turn off tracker.  Everything good now.
[23:29] <sqpp> how ttod do that?
[23:30] <sqpp> sudo apt remove tracker tracker-extract tracker-miner-fs ?
[23:31] <lxusr50> I wouldn't do it unless you are seeing a lot of CPU usage from it.  It usually happens on power up or after a reboot and can last for some time.
[23:31] <lxusr50> One sec....
[23:31] <sqpp> well
[23:31] <sqpp> 30% is not really low amount
[23:31] <sqpp> ll
[23:31] <sqpp> lol
[23:32] <sqpp> also do you use Steam?
[23:33] <lxusr50> sqpp, This will walk you through it.....https://askubuntu.com/questions/1187191/tracker-process-taking-lot-of-cpu
[23:35] <lxusr50> No I don't use Steam.
[23:35] <sqpp> Ah
[23:36] <sqpp> Ahh, its still slow
[23:36] <sqpp> I might just go back to Win 10 :(
[23:37] <tomreyn> what feels slow exactly?
[23:38] <lxusr50> When you ran 'top' Were you seeing anything eating your processor besides gnome-s+...Also what did you CPU load average look like?
[23:38] <sqpp> gnome, chrome, discord uses at least 40%
[23:39] <sqpp> something called aces too
[23:39] <tomreyn> of one cpu core, or all of them?
[23:39] <sqpp> not sure how to check that
[23:39] <tomreyn> well, how do you see it?
[23:39] <tomreyn> sqpp: you could post some screenshots if it helps you and us getting a better understanding of what may be the issue
[23:39] <sqpp> yeah will do that
[23:40] <tomreyn> post to imgur.com and post the link here
[23:41] <tomreyn> also post the output of    free -g   and    df -h | grep ^/dev   to paste.ubuntu.com
[23:41] <sqpp> seems I can't paste on imgur
[23:41] <sqpp> after pressing printscr
[23:41] <tomreyn> ctrl-v doesn't work?
[23:42] <sqpp> thats what I did
[23:42] <sqpp> failed to upload..
[23:42] <sqpp> well I am using Chrome anyways
[23:43] <tomreyn> maybe run just software which ubuntu came with for now, see whether the system still feels slow then
[23:43] <sqpp> Well the point is I want to use eventually Edge anyways
[23:43] <sqpp> its coming soon to Linux
[23:43] <sqpp> but yeah
[23:46] <tomreyn> ctrl-v works for me. using firefox on ubuntu 18.04, though.
[23:46] <sqpp> I also noticed
[23:47] <sqpp> scrolling in app like steam is horribly slow
[23:47] <tomreyn> maybe you have no graphics acceleration
[23:47] <sqpp> That's what I thought too
[23:48] <tomreyn> but?
[23:48] <sqpp> but same in YT too
[23:48] <sqpp> at least using Chrome surely
[23:48] <sqpp> because 4K just buffering
[23:48] <sqpp> and kinda slow too
[23:48] <tomreyn> this doesn't seem to contradict this theory.
[23:49] <sqpp> why noot? :D
[23:49] <tomreyn> urn this in a terminal:   lspci -knn | grep -A3 VGA | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:49] <tomreyn> *run
 also post the output of    free -g   and    df -h | grep ^/dev   to paste.ubuntu.com
[23:49] <sqpp> https://termbin.com/s6dq
[23:50] <sqpp> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/7q6FF4yfbz/
[23:51] <matsaman> why would you want to use edge
[23:51] <sqpp> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/gxfMKgBG6g/
[23:51] <sqpp> Because Edge Chromium is good
[23:51] <sqpp> i tried also different NVIDIA drivers
[23:51] <tomreyn> so neither your file systems nor ram are fully used.
[23:52] <sqpp> important to mention
[23:52] <sqpp> I use external GPU
[23:52] <sqpp> so using Thunderbolt 3
[23:52] <tomreyn> uh, ok
[23:52] <tomreyn> now: glxinfo -B | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:53] <tomreyn> and what does it say for "graphics" under settings -> details -> about ?
[23:55] <sqpp> https://termbin.com/wokb
[23:56] <sqpp> VIDIA Corporation GP107M [GeForce GTX 1050 Mobile] / NVIDIA Corpo
[23:56] <sqpp> N*
[23:57] <tomreyn> so i guess you should have accelerated graphics through that
[23:58] <tomreyn> which is probably your thunderbird connected external graphics card?
[23:58] <sqpp> yeah