[18:57] <icey> Hey folks
[18:58] <rbasak> o/
[19:02] <ddstreet> o/
[19:02] <ItzSwirlz> o/
[19:03] <rafaeldtinoco> o/
[19:06] <rbasak> We need one more for quorum
[19:07] <icey> hope we get another!
[19:07] <ddstreet> slashd teward either of you around?
[19:10] <ddstreet> well that's 10 minutes past the hour, unfortunately it seems like we won't make quorum today :(
[19:11] <icey> :-/
[19:12] <ddstreet> i suppose we'll have to try again in 2 weeks for quorum, sorry about that :(
[19:12] <icey> ouch, two in a row :-/
[19:14] <ddstreet> my spreadsheet shows this is actually the 3rd DMB meeting in a row without quorum. we'd been doing well up until this
[19:14] <rafaeldtinoco> yep.. teward seem to have been face difficulties to come lately
[19:15] <rafaeldtinoco> and slashd already said he would be not around dmb any more
[19:15] <ddstreet> icey if you can wait until next DMB mtg, we can hopefully get a 4th member then, otherwise if you'd like us to review your application sooner, we can take it to a email discussion and vote
[19:15] <rbasak> If taking to email, maybe the three of us should hold the meeting now anyway
[19:15] <ddstreet> yep, we should talk to slashd about possibly stepping down to allow for a special election
[19:15] <ddstreet> that's fine with me (to ahve the mtg now)
[19:15] <rbasak> Then the others will be able to refer to the IRC log to help inform their decisions
[19:16] <icey> I can wait but it would be great to be able to help more with getting the OPenStack release that's cominig out next week done :)
[19:16] <rafaeldtinoco> im ok in going on now
[19:16] <rafaeldtinoco> lets take this out of the way
[19:16] <ddstreet> looks like next on the charing list is teward, then rbasak
[19:16] <ddstreet> you want to chair rbasak ?
[19:17] <rbasak> Sure
[19:17] <rbasak> #startmeeting
[19:17] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Oct  5 19:17:14 2020 UTC.  The chair is rbasak. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[19:17] <rbasak> #topic Review of previous action items
[19:17] <rbasak> rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over)
[19:17] <rbasak> slashd to add Yaru to the desktop set for focal (carried over)
[19:17] <rbasak> ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[19:17] <rbasak> rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[19:18] <rbasak> For those here, could you update us on your action items please?
[19:18] <rafaeldtinoco> carry over again unfort
[19:18] <ddstreet> unfortunately i need mine carried over again also
[19:18] <rbasak> My action item needs to be carried over. There has been some further progress; I need to reply to the list with a summary.
[19:18] <rbasak> #action rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over)
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: rafaeldtinoco link team delegation from dmb kb page when reading ddstreet updates (carried over)
[19:18] <rbasak> #action slashd to add Yaru to the desktop set for focal (carried over)
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: slashd to add Yaru to the desktop set for focal (carried over)
[19:18] <rbasak> #action ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet edubuntu seed <-> pkgset (carried over)
[19:18] <rbasak> #action rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[19:18] <meetingology> ACTION: rbasak to reply to ML re: canonical-oem-metapackages packageset and owning team creation (carried over)
[19:19] <rbasak> #topic Package Set/Per Package Uploader Applications
[19:19] <rbasak> #subtopic Chris MacNaughton (icey) - OpenStack package set
[19:19]  * icey waves
[19:20] <rbasak> I'm going to break from tradition and not bother to ask icey to introduce his application since that's all clearly laid out on his wiki page
[19:20] <rbasak> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChrisMacNaughton/OpenStackDeveloperApplication
[19:20] <rbasak> Welcome icey :)
[19:20] <rbasak> Does anyone have any questions for icey?
[19:20] <icey> thanks rbasak!
[19:20] <rafaeldtinoco> need a mom
[19:20] <rafaeldtinoco> (ent) ?
[19:20] <rafaeldtinoco> =)
[19:21] <rbasak> icey: which previous meeting did you attend that failed to get quorum, OOI? I only see one devel-permissions@ post scheduling your application for just this meeting?
[19:22] <icey> I didn't attend the previous one, but I did read some of the meeting logs
[19:22] <rbasak> Ah OK
[19:22] <icey> I iwas just being sad that there was seeming trouble getting to quorum previously as well
[19:22] <icey> s/iwas/was
[19:22] <rbasak> Got it, thanks.
[19:22] <rbasak> Sorry I misunderstood you earlier.
[19:23] <rbasak> I have a question to get us started.
[19:24] <rbasak> What's the current situation with OpenStack's release schedule and its alignment with Ubuntu, and where would I find more information about that?
[19:25] <icey> For both the current and next releases, they are scheduled for just before the corresponding OpenStack releases. Victoria is scheduled for next week, and Wallaby is scheduled fairly close to the Ubuntu H release
[19:26] <rbasak> Sorry, I phrased that poorly. Let me try again. I mean with respect to Ubuntu's release schedule specifically, in terms of freeze and freeze exceptions.
[19:26] <icey> I'm apparently having trouble loading the pages but those are generally published at https://releases.openstack.org/victoria/schedule.html and https://releases.openstack.org/wallaby/schedule.html
[19:27] <icey> Ok - The OpenStack releases generally are fairly close to an Ubuntu release by release date, and generally have a freeze exception to cover the release
[19:27] <rbasak> In other words what changes can you upload Openstack package updates in the development release of Ubuntu and when?
[19:28] <rbasak> Do you know how this is coordinated in Ubuntu with respect to the release schedule, the freeze timeline and the release team?
[19:29] <icey> As I currently understand it, the OpenStack packages get updates to the development release untili the final OpenStack release. Last release (Focal + OpenStack Ussuri), OpenStack shipped the final release after the release which required a lot of coordination and discussion with the release team to ship the final release
[19:30] <icey> In terms of coordination, Corey generally starts a conversation with release timings to the release team via mailing list
[19:30] <ddstreet> as an example, let's say you wanted to have a new feature included in qemu in victora; how would you do that, if possible (assuming you start work on it today)?
[19:30] <icey> Broadly, I wouldn't.
[19:32] <icey> If there were something compelling enough to not do the general thing, I would try to start a discussion about the feasibility of a freeze exception in #ubuntu-release as well as on the mailing list
[19:32] <ddstreet> ok thanks
[19:33] <slashd> o/
[19:33] <ddstreet> hello, we have quorum! o/
[19:33] <icey> \o/
[19:33] <rafaeldtinoco> icey: and after uploading to devel, where would you check DEP8 issues if any ?
[19:34] <rafaeldtinoco> how would you know issue is intermittent ?
[19:34]  * slashd catching up on the discusion (give me a moment to read)
[19:35] <icey> Whenever I get a notification about a build failure (or an autopkgtest failure), my first step is to attemp to reproduce it locally. If I cannot reproduce it locally, then I'd re-run the failing build / test
[19:36] <rafaeldtinoco> icey: do you know where to check if your failure is holding other packages migrations ?
[19:37] <icey> I would generally go look in https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/groovy/update_excuses.html (recently)
[19:37] <rafaeldtinoco> cool, tku
[19:39] <rafaeldtinoco> slashd: do you have any questions for icey ?
[19:39] <ddstreet> icey as an administrative question, just to be sure, you're applying for upload rights to the 'openstack' packageset, correct? https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/packagesets/groovy/openstack
[19:40] <ddstreet> i only ask to clarify, as it currently has no team, so we would need to create a team to add you to
[19:40] <icey> ddstreet: If that's the best option? I've been working with coreycb and jamespage on OpenStack packaging, but has generally included a lot larger set than just those packages
[19:40] <slashd> rafaeldtinoco: I'm good with the questionned already asked, I have nothing to add for now
[19:41] <ddstreet> icey yeah, i wonder if the 'openstack' packageset needs to be expanded
[19:42] <icey> ddstreet: I wonder if there's a better packageset to represent ubuntu-openstack (as referenced from a recent test rebuild: https://people.canonical.com/~doko/ftbfs-report/test-rebuild-20200728-groovy-groovy.html#ubuntu-openstack)
[19:42] <rbasak> Any more questions for icey?
[19:42] <rbasak> icey: that's the team package subscriber list I think, which is distinctly different from the packageset
[19:42] <rbasak> It's managed by the team, so I don't think it would be appropriate to drive ACLs from it.
[19:43] <icey> rbasak: indeed
[19:43] <rbasak> We need a DMB-managed list and that's the packageset.
[19:43] <rafaeldtinoco> (or seed changes ?)
[19:43] <rbasak> I don't think this packageset is automatic is it?
[19:44] <rbasak> We can carry on discussing the technicalities, but if there are no more questions, shall we move on to a vote?
[19:44] <rafaeldtinoco> rbasak: yes
[19:44] <ddstreet> no more q from me
[19:44] <ddstreet> slashd ready for vote?
[19:44] <rbasak> #vote Add icey to the list of uploaders for the openstack packageset
[19:44] <meetingology> Please vote on: Add icey to the list of uploaders for the openstack packageset
[19:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)
[19:46] <ddstreet> +1 i'm happy with icey's responses and have full faith in his abilities from james and corey endorsements
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 i'm happy with icey's responses and have full faith in his abilities from james and corey endorsements received from ddstreet
[19:46] <slashd> +1 for the same reasons ^
[19:46] <meetingology> +1 for the same reasons ^ received from slashd
[19:47] <rafaeldtinoco> +1 and would like icey to help us/openstack team in sorting out seed (or just the pkgset) packages and update it
[19:47] <meetingology> +1 and would like icey to help us/openstack team in sorting out seed (or just the pkgset) packages and update it received from rafaeldtinoco
[19:48] <rbasak> +1
[19:48] <meetingology> +1 received from rbasak
[19:49] <rbasak> #endvote
[19:49] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Add icey to the list of uploaders for the openstack packageset
[19:49] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[19:49] <meetingology> Motion carried
[19:49] <ddstreet> congrats icey!
[19:49] <icey> thanks!
[19:49] <icey> and I'm excited to help with getting the seed / packageset updated :)
[19:50] <rbasak> Any volunteers to announce icey's successful application and to get the ACL changes made?
[19:50] <slashd> Congrats icey ;)
[19:50] <rafaeldtinoco> congrats!
[19:50] <rbasak> Is there any clarification on the ACL changes required in this case?
[19:50] <icey> thanks again :)
[19:50] <ddstreet> i can handle the acl and announcement
[19:50] <Bashing-om> ddstreet: For UWN: Do not ovelook to promulgamate the new addition to the mailing list :D
[19:50] <rbasak> Looks like we'll need to create a team, ask the TB to add that to the ACL, etc.
[19:50] <rbasak> Thanks ddstreet!
[19:51] <ddstreet> yep, i'll create the team and add him, then open a TB request
[19:51] <icey> I think (and Corey agrees) that the OpenStack packageset could definitely use some updating, and I'm happy to help with getting that done
[19:51] <rbasak> #action ddstreet to announce icey's successful application
[19:51] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet to announce icey's successful application
[19:51] <ddstreet> Bashing-om i'll be sure to announce to devel-permissions
[19:51] <ddstreet> i assume that's the list you mean
[19:51] <rbasak> #action ddstreet to add icey to the ACL as needed for the openstack packageset
[19:51] <meetingology> ACTION: ddstreet to add icey to the ACL as needed for the openstack packageset
[19:52] <rbasak> ddstreet: it's https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/KnowledgeBase#Actions_after_a_successful_application
[19:52] <rbasak> ddstreet: ubuntu-news-team@
[19:52] <ddstreet> ah ok i'll run down the checklist, yep
[19:52] <rbasak> #topic Outstanding mailing list requests to assign
[19:54] <rbasak> I don't see anything outstanding
[19:54] <Bashing-om> ddstreet: I generally follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news-team/; but I will find the notice where ever you post it - thanks :D
[19:54] <rbasak> #info Nothing outstanding
[19:54] <rbasak> #topic Open TB bugs
[19:54] <rbasak> #info Nothing outstanding
[19:55] <rbasak> #topic Select a chair for the next meeting (following alphabetical order of first names)
[19:55] <rbasak> It'll be teward
[19:55] <rbasak> #info Next chair will be teward
[19:55] <rbasak> #topic Any other business
[19:55] <rbasak> Anything else?
[19:55] <rafaeldtinoco> not here
[19:55] <rafaeldtinoco> and thanks for chairing this
[19:55] <ddstreet> nothing from me, and thanks for chairing!
[19:56] <rbasak> #info No other business
[19:56] <rbasak> Thanks all!
[19:56] <rbasak> #endmeeting
[19:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Oct  5 19:56:08 2020 UTC.
[19:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2020/ubuntu-meeting.2020-10-05-19.17.moin.txt
[19:56] <rafaeldtinoco> o/ c u all
[19:56] <ddstreet> thanks! o/
[19:57] <icey> thanks!
[19:58] <icey> hey ddstreet - it's getting late here but I wonder if we could update the seed with the list of packages that the Ubuntu OpenStack team is subscribed to?
[20:00] <icey> #ubuntu-server is probably a better place for that discussion :)
[20:11] <teward> jesus why is it EVERY TIME the DMB meeting happens I get roped into things for work >.<
[20:11] <teward> sorry guys