| jayjo | I noticed that the ubuntu server docs has virtualization info for GUIs: https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/virtualization-virt-tools .. mainly saying to use a workstation to connect to a server. I do have a workstation that I can use to connect to a local server, but what | 00:20 |
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| jayjo | is the recommendation for on the server itself? | 00:20 |
| mybalzitch | you can install x and run virt-manager locally | 01:35 |
| mybalzitch | proxmox is worth looking at if all you are doing is virtualization | 01:35 |
| cpaelzer__ | Soni: yes s390x fully works | 05:30 |
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| cpaelzer | Soni: a friend once wrote this blog which shows various ways to run it (and there would be more obviously) and all of them have network :-) http://ubuntu-on-big-iron.blogspot.com/2020/08/12-different-ways-of-running-ubuntu-server-on-kvm.html | 05:31 |
| cpaelzer | Soni: s390x has some special quirks, unrelated to KVM but at the Host/HW Level e.g. that you need to set the OSA card to level2+primary_router for most "bridge-through" use cases | 05:33 |
| cpaelzer | Soni: if you have troubles feel free to reach out if it doesn't become a day long support session :-) | 05:33 |
| jayjo_ | I think I've got the bridge networking figured out for my two NIC VM (pfsense). But I'm installing on a headless ubuntu server. Is there way to connect to the console of pfsense through KVM on the server machine, as opposed to using something like `virt-manager -c qemu+ssh://virtnode1.mydomain.com/system` on a workstation? | 06:13 |
| jayjo_ | this was my attempt: "virt-install --virt-type kvm --name pfsense --ram 2048 --vcpus 2 --cdrom=/home/jayjo/pfSense-CE-2.4.5-RELEASE-p1-amd64.iso --disk /home/jayjo/kvm/images/pfsense.qcow2,bus=virtio,size=10,format=qcow2 --network default --network bridge=virbr0 --graphics none --console pty,target_type=serial --os-type=linux --os-variant=freebsd10.0" but that gives me "connected to domain pfsense; | 06:29 |
| jayjo_ | Escape character is ^]" | 06:29 |
| cpaelzer__ | jayjo_: that means it connected you to the (virtual) console of the system | 06:40 |
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| cpaelzer | if nothing appears thre at all then your ISO is not booting in there | 06:40 |
| jayjo_ | hmm. Does that mean that no serial console is available in that iso? There are two memstick installations available at https://docs.netgate.com/pfsense/en/latest/install/download-installer-image.html, one VGA and one serial, and then the ISO. | 06:47 |
| cpaelzer | I don't know the pfsesne iso enough, but I'd at least expect the kernel messages to fly by initially | 06:48 |
| mgedmin | iirc qemu supports emulating vga via an ncurses-based text UI | 06:48 |
| mgedmin | the problem with serial consoles is the OS has to be configured to use it | 06:48 |
| cpaelzer | mgedmin: that would be "--curses" as qemu arg, the config jayjo_ uses presents no graphics (--graphics none) | 06:49 |
| jayjo_ | that was just my attempt at installing and interacting on a server. I think I should read more into "--curses" and see if that could help with the image I have | 06:50 |
| cpaelzer | jayjo_: FYI the first 3/3 search engine results I've seen on this use --graphics vnc,listen=0.0.0.0 so maybe it needs a graphic to be presented to the guest | 06:56 |
| cpaelzer | one was different and mentioned that there the cpu passed to the guest was "too new" https://forum.netgate.com/topic/148138/stuck-at-booting-kvm-ubuntu18-04-server but I can't be sure from here which case you are hitting | 06:57 |
| lordievader | Good morning | 07:04 |
| xnox | RoyK: quite out of date. Soni: yeap, we do have OpenStack on s390x and everything it needs. thus yes, there is qemu kvm with networking. | 09:15 |
| Soni | xnox: cpaelzer: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/pCxshZq35p/ ? | 11:45 |
| xnox | Soni: using debian, not ubuntu? debian compiles for much older cpu-arch, and doens't have toolchain vectorization on, nor hw compression enabled, nor encryption accelerated at all. Thus io, network performance, http, tls, will all be a lot slower. compared to e.g. using Ubuntu 20.04 focal. | 13:23 |
| xnox | Soni: also Ubuntu has support together with IBM, thus one can esclalate ubuntu issues to either Canonical or IBM, with Ubuntu. Not with debian. | 13:23 |
| Soni | xnox: this is qemu-system-s390x on x86_64, for what it's worth | 13:24 |
| xnox | Soni: i generaly don't do things quite the same, but i guess that's taste. FOr example, instead of virtio ccw scsi, instead of ccw. ccw is very new. | 13:24 |
| xnox | Soni: right, but qemu-system-s390x on x86_64 ubuntu? or debian? | 13:25 |
| Soni | on arch :v | 13:25 |
| Soni | but sure let's try ubuntu server on qemu | 13:25 |
| Soni | because you can never try enough distros | 13:25 |
| xnox | Soni: please use ubuntu, i cannot speak for qemu on non-ubuntu. We had to build qemu correctly, with backported s390x features, and with the correct s390x firmware build as well to support ipl. | 13:25 |
| xnox | Soni: when we say that s390x qemu/kvm works correctly, we do mean ubuntu host. | 13:26 |
| Soni | oh | 13:26 |
| Soni | hm | 13:26 |
| xnox | (hint, channel name ;-) ) | 13:26 |
| xnox | because we did a _lot_ of work to make it work. | 13:26 |
| Soni | so, ubuntu on qemu on ubuntu on qemu on arch? | 13:26 |
| xnox | hahahahhahahhahahhaa | 13:26 |
| xnox | i wish one could load a co-processor kernel, on a subset of cpus, and ask to launch a process using that kernel. Such that i.e. one could do true hw isolation for containers. | 13:27 |
| Soni | wait, how do you download ubuntu server for s390x? | 13:34 |
| Soni | oh, found it | 13:37 |
| Soni | so uh, this is the only big-endian ubuntu, yeah? | 13:41 |
| ahasenack | yes | 13:50 |
| xnox | Soni: with current and future releases => yes | 14:07 |
| xnox | Soni: for qemu, we have cloud-images which one can just launch in place; just add a cloud config drive, to enable ssh authentication on first boot (or install things you need, etc) | 14:07 |
| xnox | Soni: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/focal/release/ | 14:07 |
| Soni | okay | 14:08 |
| xnox | Soni: we also used to have powerpc (big endian 32bit), but it's all about ppc64el these days (64bit, little endian, openpower) | 14:08 |
| Soni | yeah it seems nobody wants to break (and then fix) little-endian software | 14:08 |
| Soni | xnox: oh okay so ubuntu server has network | 15:03 |
| Soni | thanks :3 | 15:04 |
| Soni | (didn't need to run qemu on qemu) | 15:06 |
| anton | Hello, I tried enabling livepatch on a VPS running Ubuntu 20.04 and it's saying "2020/10/05 19:41:31 error executing enable: cannot enable machine: bad temporary server status 500 (URL: https://livepatch.canonical.com/api/machine-tokens) server response: machine token already exists". It shouldn't be enabled or exist on this machine. Is there something I have to set to get it to work, since | 19:48 |
| anton | it shouldn't already exist on the machine? | 19:48 |
| icey | ddstreet: regarding the OpenStack package set, I can propose an update to it in the morning (assuming I find the right repo ;-) ) - I'd appreciate your thoughts on updating it with the list of subscribed packages from https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-openstack/+packagebugs | 20:01 |
| rbasak | rafaeldtinoco: ^ | 20:02 |
| icey | ah - wondered who would be better as I saw rafaeldtinoco in some commit logs, thanks rbasak! | 20:03 |
| rafaeldtinoco | icey: yes, please, let me know | 20:03 |
| tomreyn | anton: this message sounds to me like this vps has the same machine id as another system which livepatch was already enabled on | 20:03 |
| tomreyn | anton: maybe you or the host clones it and didn't regenerate the machine id | 20:03 |
| icey | rafaeldtinoco: easier to email you a list, create a merge proposal, something else entirely? | 20:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: are we going for a seed update <-> pkgset automatic sync ? | 20:04 |
| rbasak | rafaeldtinoco: based on https://git.launchpad.net/~developer-membership-board/+git/packageset/tree/pkgset-report.py, looks like openstack is still a manually managed packageset and openstack seeded packages end up in the ubuntu-server packageset? | 20:04 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 20:04 |
| rbasak | I don't mind how you approach it | 20:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | thats where I was going to (and in a meeting now so I might be unresponsive soon) | 20:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | icey: lets start with an email to myself ? | 20:05 |
| rbasak | Between you and icey I guess | 20:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and let me tackle it | 20:05 |
| icey | rafaeldtinoco: I'm going to bed soon so will also be unresponsive! I'll send you an email tomorrow to start the conversation | 20:05 |
| rbasak | It might turn out to be tricky because doing it automatically doesn't work so well when there are multiple seeds "claiming" a package and I think there might be quite a few of those in the openstack team managed packages | 20:05 |
| rafaeldtinoco | icey: take your time, tomorrow morning we're in a sprint .. can be the afternoon | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | icey: =) thanks a lot! | 20:06 |
| tomreyn | anton: see also: machine-id man page, section 5 | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: yep, we're stuck there right now (in the automation) | 20:06 |
| icey | rafaeldtinoco: no worries :) it's 22h here right now, so might be a late start in the morning! | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | but its been hard to find time to take this and fix | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ill have to do a PTO to fix DMB related stuff #) | 20:06 |
| rbasak | Yeah it's far from trivial | 20:06 |
| rbasak | Maybe in the short term doing it manually would be easier | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | yep | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | ill do it manually based in the list for now | 20:06 |
| rafaeldtinoco | and come up with a way to update it | 20:07 |
| rafaeldtinoco | (perhaps an email to dmb list or something) | 20:07 |
| anton | ok | 20:07 |
| rbasak | rafaeldtinoco: as long as you're happy that the list all meet the packageset definition "Upstream OpenStack components" - if they don't then they shouldn't be in that packageset. | 20:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | rbasak: and Ill try to cross check with other seeds | 20:11 |
| rafaeldtinoco | just to make sure we're good in responsibilities | 20:11 |
| rbasak | +1 | 20:11 |
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| znf | Is there a way to find packages that are installed, but not part of any currently enabled repository? | 22:39 |
| znf | I've just did a 14.04 -> 20.04 upgrade | 22:40 |
| znf | and I feel like there's SO much stuff left behind | 22:40 |
| TJ- | znf yes, "apt list --installed | grep ,local" | 22:46 |
| znf | thanks | 22:47 |
| Soni | how long does it take to install ubuntu server s390x on qemu? it's been like 8 hours... | 23:35 |
| znf | uhm | 23:39 |
| znf | sounds like your qemu is very slow :) | 23:39 |
| JanC | it's transcompiling s390x code to amd64 code | 23:48 |
| JanC | I assuma | 23:48 |
| JanC | *assume | 23:48 |
| JanC | but 8 hours seems like a lot | 23:49 |
| JanC | but 8 hours seems like a lot | 23:50 |
| Soni | uh hm | 23:50 |
| Soni | wait, how many cores does qemu emulate by default? | 23:51 |
| Soni | sorry, CPUs | 23:51 |
| Soni | (actually we have no idea, we don't know anything about mainframes lol) | 23:51 |
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