[14:13] <OvenWerks> musescore 2 and 3?
[15:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Looking...
[15:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Yup. Lemme see if I can drop 2 from the seed.
[15:39] <OvenWerks> it looks like the musescore package depends on both musescore-common >2.3 _and_ < 2.4
[15:40] <OvenWerks> It may be worth while knowing why before worrying though
[15:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Well, there's two musescore packages: musescore and musescore3. musescore (2) was pulled-in by ubuntustudio-publishing, while musescore3 was pulled-in by ubuntustudio-audio.
[15:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> It's just an error in the seeds.
[15:41] <OvenWerks>  :)
[15:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have it ready to fix right now.
[15:43] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: as soon as I fired up the new iso after installing it updated Carla to -2. Does that mean the fix has gone through already?
[15:43] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: It went through early this morning.
[15:44]  * Eickmeyer[m] really needs to get queuebot in here to show when packages get updated.
[15:45]  * OvenWerks hopes these things don't need to happen that often 
[15:46] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, it can just show our packageset. It's really hard to filter through #ubuntu-release for just our packageset, it would be better if it were in here.
[15:47] <Eickmeyer[m]> Because sometimes I don't know when things get updated and get surprised/blindsided (depending on the situation) when I have to pull a delta from somewhere.
[15:48] <OvenWerks> and it is not like there is much traffic here
[15:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yep. It's mostly you, me, and teward when he's feeling ornery.
[15:48] <Eickmeyer[m]> 😈
[16:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: remember that guy in support channel that had some issues with dependencies? I also noticed something like that on one of my systems. I fixed without taking notes but things do get stuck sometimes. 
[16:00] <MauroGaspari[m]> not an ubuntu studio issue I am afraid, it has to do with all the PPAs that ubuntu systems tend do end up with
[16:02] <MauroGaspari[m]> is it of any value for me to dig into that and try to note down what are the most common causes? or do you feel like it is going to be a case-by-case thing?
[16:07] <len3> Konversation opens in #kubuntu by default maybe that is a good thing? :)
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Is Konversation installed by default?
[16:08] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ah, it is.
[16:08] <OvenWerks> yeah
[16:08] <OvenWerks> I am just playiung with whatever at this point
[16:09] <Eickmeyer[m]> Well, I also noticed that Akregator uses Kubuntu feeds as well. I was able to override it. Akregator is hard-coded via patch. I'm willing to bet Konversation is the same way.
[16:09] <OvenWerks> enough of the questions we get are DE related that is probably ok
[16:10] <OvenWerks> so far Carla has not caused any trouble with zita-ajbridge
[16:11] <Eickmeyer[m]> Sweet.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Well, that's kinda difficult to answer, if I'm being honest. Really our policy is that we don't support any external repositories. That's a general Ubuntu rule. You can add the PPAs, but they're completely unsupported.
[16:13] <Eickmeyer[m]> We do support the Backports PPA, but that's about it.
[16:15] <MauroGaspari[m]> yeah, I guessed that. I am just thinking, people are going to have PPAs and issues with some of the ubuntu-studio related packages will arise. So i was just thinking if it would make sense to write some reference document we could kinda copy-paste or reference so that people can get themselves out of the franken-buntu situation? 
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> If it's KXStudio, for instance, while it's a PPA, it's added through non-traditional means (add-apt-repository). It's nearly impossible to remove once added.
[16:16] <Eickmeyer[m]> Removing PPAs is easy if one installs ppa-purge.
[16:20] <MauroGaspari[m]> got it, makes sense, well will try to help people if they come to support with those issues
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> Cool. There's a number of infobot (!commands) available that might help.
[16:20] <Eickmeyer[m]> !ubuntustudio-installer
[16:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> !studio-controls
[16:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> Just for instance. :)
[16:21] <Eickmeyer[m]> I have permission to edit/add to ubottu if you need.
[16:21] <MauroGaspari[m]> sweet
[16:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> do you have a few minutes? I might have found something worth of notice but I do not have a 1-sentence way to explain. 
[16:22] <MauroGaspari[m]> if not a good time can discuss another day
[16:24] <Eickmeyer[m]> Go ahead. I'm updating Ardour in the ardour backports, but I can check in here.
[16:26] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: do we have a known problems list?
[16:26] <OvenWerks> should we?
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: That would be the release notes, which we can add to. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GroovyGorilla/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio
[16:27] <OvenWerks> ie. studio-controls will not work if cadence has been installed even if removed later
[16:27] <Eickmeyer[m]> I can add that for sure.
[16:28] <OvenWerks> guitarix has a latency control this causes steady xruns if used
[16:28] <Eickmeyer[m]> ^ That sounds like a bug that needs to be reported if someone hasn't done so already.
[16:29] <OvenWerks> there is a dialog that warns changing latency on the fly can cause problems with other jack clients... perhaps carla is one of them, though it does detect the latency change
[16:31] <Eickmeyer[m]> If that's the case then it's clearly an unstable feature of guitarix.
[16:32] <Eickmeyer[m]> I don't think it's something release note worthy since, if there's a warning, that should be heeded.
[16:32] <OvenWerks> many jack clients do not have a biffersize changed callback
[16:32] <OvenWerks> phasex for example does not.
[16:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Right. I typically don't change the buffer when everything is open.
[16:33] <OvenWerks> but for guitarix the latency change is meant for stand alone use: My computer is my guitar effects box
[16:33] <Eickmeyer[m]> Too reisky.
[16:34] <Eickmeyer[m]> Yeah. That makes sense.
[16:37]  * OvenWerks may even update his daily partition to 20.10
[16:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> ok this is an "issue" i found a few months ago as I was testing distributions other than ubuntu-based, while using full disk encryption.
[16:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> Basically the ubiquity installer, if you choose full disk encryption. will create an unencrypted boot partition, and then, an LVM encrypted with LUKS. The benefit of doing that, is that your computer can boot super fast, present with a nice graphical unlock disk page. and also unlock the disk super fast. this is becaue you are past GRUB and can take advantage of CPU instructions to quickly, almost
[16:37] <MauroGaspari[m]> instantly unlock LUKS. 
[16:38] <MauroGaspari[m]> other distributions such as Manjaro, Tumbleweed, etc, use different installers. and the default for full disk encryption there, is just a single partition all LUKS encrypted. which well in theory is more secure yes. BUT. GRUB cannot take advantage of CPU instrucitons therefore it is most often than not going to take minutes to unlock the LUKS. plus it is just a black screen and people think it gets stuck
[16:38] <MauroGaspari[m]> and open bug reports about it.
[16:39] <MauroGaspari[m]> ... sorry I said i could not explain it in short. 
[16:39] <MauroGaspari[m]> so it appears Ubuntu Studio 20.10 uses the latter and full disk encryption is also super slow to unlock. not saying it is bad. just a warning that those bug reports or questions might come through here as well :)
[16:40] <OvenWerks> yeah we use a different installer
[16:40] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: Yeah, this is an ongoing discussion in the Calamares github. https://github.com/calamares/calamares
[16:41] <Eickmeyer[m]> The Lubuntu team is also aware.
[16:42] <MauroGaspari[m]> ah good good, I just wanted to let you guys know, as some people get upset, spam bug reports or well, you know the internet. all cool as long as you are aware of that 😇
[16:42] <OvenWerks> Elisa seems to be in the wrong part of the menu
[16:43] <OvenWerks> it shows up in Audio production
[16:43] <OvenWerks> it seems to be more of a media playback thing
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> The big problem is that, in order to work for Ubuntu Studio with the Plasma desktop, Ubiquity would have to be patched extensively since it's hard-coded to be Kubuntu with the Qt version. The only people that have access to fix it are the Ubuntu Foundations Team, and they have their hands full with other things, so the likelyhood of fixing it was extremely low. It's not a good situation. Going with Calamares was the only
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> workaround to be able to carve our own way.
[16:44] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: We just need to fix Elisa in -menu.
[16:45] <OvenWerks> and jackmixer as well
[16:45] <OvenWerks> The other way around
[16:46] <OvenWerks> jack mixer is in both :)
[16:48] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: and it is an issue that i think every distro but ubuntu is sharing. I have discussed about this with opensuse devs and they also had no solution. as people get more concerned about privacy and enable full disk encryption, it is really not a good solution to wait in a black screen with no indication of progress, for like 40~90 seconds.
[16:48] <MauroGaspari[m]> but as I said, this is not an ubuntu-studio issue and not a complain. I just wanted to give you a heads-up of incoming bugs or requests for help. 
[16:50] <MauroGaspari[m]> I am quite sure it will be solved or worked around at some point.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: That makes sense. Bear in mind, most of our users don't do full-disk encryption because they're setting this up for professional situations that don't really require too much privacy. If you have something you want to write about this somewhere, that would be extremely helpful.
[16:50] <Eickmeyer[m]> But also bear in mind, the 30-40 second thing is something I haven't observed on my own machines when testing the full-disk encryption, so I'm not sure where the issue really lies.
[16:51] <MauroGaspari[m]> yeah, i heard that a lot. it most likely depends on bios versions 
[16:51] <MauroGaspari[m]> some people say it goes for ages, other say it is 10~20 seconds which is completely acceptable
[16:54] <MauroGaspari[m]> but yes Eickmeyer you are right. what I described is probably a niche of a niche of a niche . I will see to write a small article about that. 
[16:54] <MauroGaspari[m]> sadly, being Italian, brevity is not in my DNA 😅. I will do my best to avoid writing an essay
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: I'm still cleaning-up after some not-so-succinct swedes that were my predecessors. :)
[17:01] <OvenWerks> Eickmeyer[m]: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-menu/+bug/1898596
[17:01] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Thanks, are you going to fix it in -menu or should I?
[17:02] <OvenWerks> I should really focus on controls for now.
[17:02] <Eickmeyer[m]> Ok, I'll fix it then.
[17:37] <Eickmeyer[m]> OvenWerks: Fixed and awaiting release team approval.
[17:54] <Eickmeyer[m]> Mauro Gaspari: The issue in question is here: https://github.com/calamares/calamares/issues/1311
[18:17] <MauroGaspari[m]> Eickmeyer: thanks! bookmarked and will keep an eye on it