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callmepkgood morning01:05
dufluMorning callmepk 01:19
callmepkmorning duflu 01:19
jameshhi callmepk, duflu 01:19
callmepkmorning jamesh 01:19
dufluHi jamesh 01:31
jibelgood morning all04:46
dufluMorning jibel 04:57
jibelHi duflu 05:18
didrocksgood morning06:02
dufluMorning didrocks 06:02
didrockshey duflu 06:04
oSoMoNgood morning deskoppers06:23
oSoMoN*desktoppers06:23
didrockshey marcustomlinson 06:24
didrocksooopsss oSoMoN 06:24
* didrocks needs another cup of coffee06:24
didrocksgreen nickname -> marcus06:25
* oSoMoN refills didrocks's jar of coffee06:25
didrocksmerci oSoMoN :)06:25
dufluMorning oSoMoN 06:52
marcustomlinsonhey didrocks :)07:13
marcustomlinsonmorning callmepk duflu jamesh jibel and oSoMoN07:14
marcustomlinsonand all ye desktoppers07:14
dufluHi marcustomlinson 07:17
jibelSalut marcustomlinson 07:23
didrockshey again marcustomlinson thus :p07:23
jameshhi marcustomlinson 07:27
oSoMoNgood morning duflu, marcustomlinson, jibel, jamesh 07:49
jibelBonjour oSoMoN 07:56
ricotzgood morning desktopers07:57
oSoMoNgood morning ricotz 07:57
ricotzcould some please sync vala 0.48.11-1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/189790107:57
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1897901 in vala (Ubuntu) "Sync vala 0.48.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete]07:57
ricotzoSoMoN, hey :)07:58
ricotzoSoMoN, I am hoping thunderbird 78.3.1 for bionic is on your list :)07:59
Laneymoin08:05
seb128bah, IRC disconnect again while I was away from the computer... goood morning desktopers, I don't remember if I said so earlier :-)08:08
oSoMoNricotz, it is on my list indeed08:09
oSoMoNgood morning Laney, seb128 08:09
marcustomlinsonhey ricotz Laney and seb12808:09
didrockssalut seb128 08:09
seb128lut oSoMoN, ça va mieux ?08:11
seb128hey marcustomlinson, didrocks, Laney , how are you today?08:11
didrocksça va, et toi ?08:12
seb128ricotz, hey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=vala btw08:12
seb128didrocks, ça va, levé de 5h à 7h avant de refaire une sieste d'1 heure :/08:12
Laneymoin oSoMoN marcustomlinson seb128 08:13
oSoMoNseb128, beaucoup mieux, merci!08:13
seb128oSoMoN, bonne nouvelle !08:13
marcustomlinsonseb128: well thanks. I don't remember what going to sleep at night and waking up only once feels like anymore :P08:16
seb128Laney, oSoMoN, Trevinho, jamesh, kenvandine, you should join us on the club of those who post their weekly updates on tuesday :-)08:16
jameshseb128: on it08:17
LaneyI'm already writing it, noticed nobody else had either :-)08:17
Laneyit should say that08:17
seb128lol08:17
oSoMoNon it08:17
Laneyalso moin oSoMoN marcustomlinson seb128 08:17
seb128Laney, you said that already some minutes ago :p08:17
* seb128 hands Laney some tea08:17
Laneyoh yeah08:18
marcustomlinsonhaha08:18
Laneytoo distracted08:18
Laneywriting my update 08:18
seb128:)08:18
Laney;-)08:18
Laney(-;08:18
Laney(-;-)08:18
marcustomlinson{|}c : {08:18
Laneyhamburger08:18
Laneyand...08:19
marcustomlinsonsupposed to be a bearded face08:19
marcustomlinson{|}c :{08:19
Laneysomeone who just drunk a really sour drink08:19
didrockslooks like the NTSecurityDescriptor spec we are reading with j_ibel08:19
marcustomlinson:)08:19
* duflu has flashbacks to the turn of the century, reading just that word08:21
dufluAlso morning ricotz, Laney, seb128 08:22
seb128hey duflu 08:24
Laneywhat up duflu 08:34
seb128RAOF, hey, do you plan to review again the tracker SRU? I commented back some time ago to address your questions08:34
seb128Trevinho, reminder that your yaru upload failed to build, that needs fixing08:34
dufluRandom observation: Intel 11th gen mobile is 10nm, but 11th gen desktop is 14nm08:35
* duflu wonders what year to upgrade his desktops08:35
Laneydon't08:36
Laneybuy woodworking tools instead, become a cabinet maker08:37
RAOF[seb128](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_seb128:matrix.org): yup! But I'm on holiday this week (and last week), so not in the immediate future?08:37
seb128RAOF, ah, ok, sorry for bothering you during your holidays, enjoy the time off and disable those IRC notifications :p08:40
seb128duflu, Laney, Trevinho, you guys are using wayland right? did you notice graphical snaps not working there in 20.10 and maybe poked at it? (I saw the issue mentioned a few times now, users claim they are buggy on fedora and arch also so I wonder if that's due to new snap or new GNOME)08:42
dufluseb128, I am not using either08:42
Laneyany snap?08:42
dufluExcept in development08:43
LaneyI am on Wayland but I don't use any of them regularly08:43
LaneyI can try one08:43
seb128Laney, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apps-wont-run-and-crash-on-gnome-wayland/2032208:43
Laneytelegram works08:43
seb128that lists a bunch so I would expect any snap trying to use X08:43
Laneywait08:43
Laneydid I upgrade this machine yet? maybe not08:43
Laneyno08:43
Laneyok I'll do that first :>08:44
seb128lol08:44
seb128thanks, I will try later, I'm just under X atm I don't want to close my session08:44
Laneyit doesn't get used much when not travelling except for email/irc/browsing08:44
Laneyah08:44
Laneywayland should work in a VM I guess, if you use qxl08:44
ricotzhey marcustomlinson didrocks duflu Laney seb128 08:44
ricotzseb128, thank you08:44
seb128hey ricotz , how are you?08:44
seb128np!08:45
ricotzseb128, I am fine :), how are you08:45
seb128I'm alright!08:45
didrockshey ricotz 08:50
dufluseb128, I too will look later when I'm done fixing test failures08:53
seb128duflu, thx08:54
dufluAlthough general statement: Please ask users to log bugs08:54
dufluNot sure where with that one yet08:54
seb128duflu, there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1897224 which needs to be retitled and reassigned to the right component (once we know if that is snapd or GNOME to blame)08:56
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1897224 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] chromium wayland won't start in Ubuntu 20.10: Unable to open X display" [Medium,Confirmed]08:56
Laneywhy did apt autoremove just remove shim, was that expected ...09:08
* duflu unexpectedly loses Wayland support and gains a new problem09:16
dufluHuh. I have reliably lost the Wayland login option. Yet I do all my gnome-shell 3.38 development work with Wayland09:19
Laneylol09:22
Laneywhy did I try to restart anyway09:22
Laneynow I can't boot /o\09:22
seb128:-(09:22
dufluseb128, Laney, my /etc/gdm3/custom.conf is suddenly just WaylandEnable=false09:22
dufluDoes that mean I tried and failed to start it too many times?09:23
Laneypretty sure gdm doesn't write the config file itself09:23
dufluSame file after reinstalling the package09:24
Laneywhat's the mtime?09:24
Laneywell yes, it's a conffile, dpkg will try to keep your modifications09:24
dufluLaney, an hour ago. That explains it I think. I booted Nvidia for testing09:24
dufluNo idea who/what wrote that file09:26
Laneythere's a gdm-disable-wayland helper which  is supposed to write something like that to */run*09:27
Laneymaybe have a look into that09:28
dufluYeah I'm not too concerned if it's only people like me switching from nvidia to intel09:28
seb128would be nice if we had a codesearch.ubuntu.com09:28
seb128Laney, you had a experimental instance at some point, was it difficult to maintain? I'm pondering trying to set one up again09:28
Laneyit kept breaking, can't remember why09:30
Laneythere's like separate indexers or something09:31
dufluseb128, I am trying to find out how/where Xwayland's socket is implemented so as to offer some confinement advice09:43
seb128duflu, thanks09:49
dufluseb128, I have a few comments in the bug, but I will also EOD at some point soon09:50
Laneyok, back now /o\10:22
Laneyxnox: what is supposed to make shim{,-signed} be installed? because I just got that autoremoved and it caused me to have a sad time10:24
Laneys/be/remain/10:24
Laneywoohoo, my groovy dist-upgrade crapped out10:33
LaneyPreparing to unpack .../07-rpcsvc-proto_1.4.2-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb ...10:33
LaneyUnpacking rpcsvc-proto (1.4.2-0ubuntu3) ...10:33
Laneydpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-q0aOnp/07-rpcsvc-proto_1.4.2-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/rpcgen', which is also in package libc-dev-bin 2.31-0ubuntu9.110:33
Laneyrbalint: ^- can I/you fix this please? missing B&R10:38
seb128oSoMoN, I added you to https://trello.com/c/dquzGxCT/97-librsvg-2501 10:46
oSoMoNseb128, ack, I'll be on it after lunch10:49
seb128oSoMoN, thanks & enjoy lunch!10:50
GunnarHjHi Laney, do you have a minute to take a stand on bug #1898541?11:39
ubot5bug 1898541 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to 3.38.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189854111:39
LaneyGunnarHj: it's seeded on ubuntu-budgie and xubuntu so input from those teams would be useful - otherwise no objections11:51
GunnarHjLaney: Ok, I pinged fossfreedom and bluesabre on the bug report.12:02
Laney👍12:08
Laneyoops12:08
Laneyimagine you were viewing that from australia12:08
xnoxLaney:  autoremoved?!12:37
xnoxLaney:  installer, installs it manually. meaning it should have been marked as manually installed......12:37
xnoxsudo apt install shim-signed grub-pc => more or less, should have been done by the installer12:38
xnoxjuliank:  ^^^^^12:38
Laneyit's a fairly old installation12:38
Laneyso could just be some weirdness12:38
Laneybut i'm wondering what made it come up for autoremoval now12:38
Laneywas just focal SRU updates (but now I'm on groovy)12:38
xnoxdo-release-upgrade does autoremove, no?12:39
xnoxi don't think we have any strict depends/recommends/conflicts/replaces on shim(-signed)12:39
Laneynot sure, this was before the update12:40
Laneyyou have to be current or d-r-u tells you off :-)12:40
Laneywell update-manager -d12:40
Laneylol now I'm getting "Problem with defaults entries" emails again from the new host12:42
Laneytjaalton: guessing that upload hasn't happened yet? just wanted to remind, not much time now12:42
tjaaltonLaney: mesa? I synced it yesterday and it got acked today12:51
tjaaltonor sssd?12:52
Laneytjaalton: sssd12:52
LaneyI forgot exactly what the change you suggested was12:53
Laneybut I did just upgrade a machine to groovy and got sss in sudoers so I think it didn't happen yet12:53
tjaaltonthe change is committed to salsa git12:53
tjaaltonrecommends -> suggests12:53
Laneyany chance you could upload it?12:54
tjaaltonsure12:55
Laney12:55
tjaaltondone (to sid)12:57
juliankLaney, xnox I do remember such a bug report13:01
juliankLaney, xnox it was marked as auto for a while because ubiquity deps were pulled in, wen they should not have been13:02
Laneyjuliank: I guess some dep tree dropped off that made it a candidate for removal now at least here13:06
Laneywhat about NeverAutoRemove?13:07
xnoxhm.....13:19
xnoxprobably should be added there13:19
xnoxsecureboot-db shim-signed grub-pc13:19
Laneyjuliank: ^^^^^^^^^^^13:23
juliankxnox: maybe13:24
juliankLaney: xnox: I just don't like having that section in the first place13:25
juliankLike configured inside apt13:25
Laneyk...13:27
LaneyI probably liked having an unbootable system less13:27
hellsworthgood morning desktopers13:27
seb128hey Heather, how are you?13:30
seb128#startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-0613:30
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seb128Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk13:30
marcustomlinson\o13:30
hellswortho/13:30
oSoMoN👀13:30
kenvandineo/ (but in the sprint)13:31
seb128k, let's assume we have enough people to get started13:32
seb128still useful to have a meeting round even if there is the sprint going on13:32
seb128#topic rls-bb-bug13:32
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:32
seb128no desktop entries13:32
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:32
seb128no unassigned one13:32
seb128#topic rls-ff-bug13:32
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:32
seb128bug #187215913:33
ubot5bug 1872159 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "booting with splash hangs when external monitors are connected" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187215913:33
seb128Daniel tagged it, it has some duplicates and seem an annoying issue13:33
seb128I would vote +1 (and assign to Daniel who worked a bit on plymouth recently)13:34
oSoMoN+113:35
seb128k, let's do that that13:35
seb128bug #188040513:35
ubot5bug 1880405 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "High CPU and journal flooded with: JS ERROR: TypeError: null has no properties _onFocusChanged@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/closeDialog.js:135:9" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188040513:35
seb128Daniel tagged that one as well13:36
seb128seems annoying and has several duplicates13:37
seb128+1 from me, Trevinho do you think you could own that one?13:37
Trevinhoyeah, I can see13:37
seb128thanks13:38
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:39
seb128bug #187079413:40
ubot5bug 1870794 in fonts-noto-color-emoji (Ubuntu Focal) "Update for Unicode 13" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/187079413:40
seb128while that would be nice to SRU I don't think it's a rls issue so I would vote -113:41
didrocks999agreed13:41
hellsworthi would also vote -113:41
seb128thx13:42
oSoMoN-1, that's not fixing bugs, just adding emojis13:42
oSoMoN(IIUC)13:42
Trevinhowell, emoji are a silly but very beloved thing by the community though :)13:42
seb128bug #189264313:42
ubot5bug 1892643 in libgweather (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU] Update libgweather to 3.36.1" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189264313:42
seb128Trevinho, yeah, we should probably do that SRU, not a rls issue though13:42
Trevinhosure sure13:42
seb128^ the libgweather update seems to fix issues to a service that got missing so probably worth accepting13:43
seb128anyone with (desktop is enough?) upload rights who want to review the sponsoring request?13:43
oSoMoNthis requires desktop-core13:44
didrocks999could do sponsoring13:44
seb128didrocks999, thanks13:44
seb128oSoMoN, you need that coredev application approved13:45
seb128next meeting is on monday13:45
* oSoMoN needs more endorsements13:45
seb128maybe you could get didrocks999 and/or Laney to write something on your wikipage by then13:45
oSoMoNpretty please ;)13:45
seb1283 should be enough to go13:45
seb128k, next item13:46
seb128bug #189796213:46
ubot5bug 1897962 in sane-backends (Ubuntu Focal) "Out of Memory Error with Brother DCP-J7720W " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189796213:46
didrocks999sure!13:46
seb128that's specific to one hardware, no duplicat13:46
seb128I would say it's not common enough to be a rls candidate and would -113:47
tkamppeterThis one could be worked around with resolving the sane-airscan MIR.13:47
oSoMoNand the comments mention that the diff is huge, so not an obvious SRU candidate13:47
seb128k, let's reject the current nomination13:48
seb128tkamppeter, would that be backported to focal as well once approved?13:48
seb128k, that was it for focal13:49
seb128#topic rls-gg-bug13:49
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seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html13:49
tkamppetersnae-airscan can already be easily grabbed from upstream as Ubuntu packages, AFAIK including Focal. So we can tell this user to grab that package.13:49
seb128tkamppeter, can you add a comment on the bug to say that?13:50
seb128bug #189722413:50
ubot5bug 1897224 in snapd (Ubuntu) "[snap] chromium won't start on Xwayland in Ubuntu 20.10: Unable to open X display" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189722413:50
tkamppeterseb128, will do.13:50
seb128that doesn't seem to be a chromium issue (even if it impacts chromium)13:50
seb128tkamppeter, thanks13:50
oSoMoNyeah it appears to be more on the snapd side13:51
seb128kenvandine, could you get that looked at, duflu gave some hints, sounds like maybe some interface needs to be adapted for Xwayland changes in the next GNOME13:51
seb128I think we should accept the nomination13:51
oSoMoNcan do, in any case it needs further investigation and tracking for sure13:52
seb128let's accept it and sort out assignment when Ken is around13:52
oSoMoNack13:52
seb128the other one is a test bug I tagged to see if the filtering out of accepted tasks is working (and seems it's not)13:52
seb128http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html13:53
seb128items are assigned13:53
seb128#topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:53
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seb128https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages13:53
seb128Marco just did an yaru upload that should fix the build13:53
seb128others are candidates or waiting for to be cleared13:54
Trevinhoyeah I thought I already did but looks like I had a wrong signature :o13:54
seb128#topic AOB13:54
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seb128GNOME 3.38.1 week as a reminder if some want to help, https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-33813:54
LaneyI was thinking13:54
Laneythat it might be fun to do an iso testing day next week13:55
seb128but we are mostly fine, though more tarball are probably going to come13:55
Laneyon a google meet or something13:55
Laneywould anyone join though?13:55
hellsworthi totally would!13:55
seb128+1 from me, I would join at least for part of the day13:55
Laneyfun (and a good idea, otherwise we find all the bugs in release week and it's stressful)13:55
oSoMoNyeah, that sounds good13:56
seb128Laney, you want to pick a day? or doodle it?13:56
Laneykool13:56
didrocks999could diverge some time from AD and do this13:56
LaneyI'll pick a day, if enough people say no then we can move it13:56
Laneyshould be early in the week13:56
Laneybecause the release is the week after...13:56
* Laney squeaks at that too13:56
seb128wfm13:56
seb128and right, earlier is better13:57
seb128hopefully we get the new shell by then so we are our GNOME stack uptodate for testing13:57
oSoMoNI'm off on Monday, so I vote Tuesday13:57
seb128k, let's wrap on that note13:57
seb128I've another meeting starting13:57
seb128thanks desktopers!13:57
oSoMoNthanks everyone13:58
hellsworththanks!13:58
seb128#endmeeting13:58
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meetingologyMeeting ended Tue Oct  6 13:58:11 2020 UTC.  13:58
meetingologyMinutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-10-06-13.30.moin.txt13:58
didrocks999thx!13:58
marcustomlinsonthanks13:58
=== didrocks999 is now known as didrocks
luna_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggeZu4yLGw ZFS Dev Summit 2020 15:56
=== jose- is now known as jose
bendmanhey, what is the best way to find the repo for an application? In this case, I'm looking for the repo for the "Ubuntu Software" application.20:42
KGB-2gnome-shell-extensions signed tags 563b383 Jeremy Bicha upstream/3.38.1 * Upstream version 3.38.1 * https://deb.li/mtMA21:44
KGB-2gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 41664b1 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 7 commits * https://deb.li/3rtBM21:45
KGB-2gnome-shell-extensions pristine-tar ed5a2f7 Jeremy Bicha gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/ypfy21:45

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