[01:05] good morning [01:19] Morning callmepk [01:19] morning duflu [01:19] hi callmepk, duflu [01:19] morning jamesh [01:31] Hi jamesh [04:46] good morning all [04:57] Morning jibel [05:18] Hi duflu [06:02] good morning [06:02] Morning didrocks [06:04] hey duflu [06:23] good morning deskoppers [06:23] *desktoppers [06:24] hey marcustomlinson [06:24] ooopsss oSoMoN [06:24] * didrocks needs another cup of coffee [06:25] green nickname -> marcus [06:25] * oSoMoN refills didrocks's jar of coffee [06:25] merci oSoMoN :) [06:52] Morning oSoMoN [07:13] hey didrocks :) [07:14] morning callmepk duflu jamesh jibel and oSoMoN [07:14] and all ye desktoppers [07:17] Hi marcustomlinson [07:23] Salut marcustomlinson [07:23] hey again marcustomlinson thus :p [07:27] hi marcustomlinson [07:49] good morning duflu, marcustomlinson, jibel, jamesh [07:56] Bonjour oSoMoN [07:57] good morning desktopers [07:57] good morning ricotz [07:57] could some please sync vala 0.48.11-1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1897901 [07:57] Ubuntu bug 1897901 in vala (Ubuntu) "Sync vala 0.48.11-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Incomplete] [07:58] oSoMoN, hey :) [07:59] oSoMoN, I am hoping thunderbird 78.3.1 for bionic is on your list :) [08:05] moin [08:08] bah, IRC disconnect again while I was away from the computer... goood morning desktopers, I don't remember if I said so earlier :-) [08:09] ricotz, it is on my list indeed [08:09] good morning Laney, seb128 [08:09] hey ricotz Laney and seb128 [08:09] salut seb128 [08:11] lut oSoMoN, ça va mieux ? [08:11] hey marcustomlinson, didrocks, Laney , how are you today? [08:12] ça va, et toi ? [08:12] ricotz, hey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=vala btw [08:12] didrocks, ça va, levé de 5h à 7h avant de refaire une sieste d'1 heure :/ [08:13] moin oSoMoN marcustomlinson seb128 [08:13] seb128, beaucoup mieux, merci! [08:13] oSoMoN, bonne nouvelle ! [08:16] seb128: well thanks. I don't remember what going to sleep at night and waking up only once feels like anymore :P [08:16] Laney, oSoMoN, Trevinho, jamesh, kenvandine, you should join us on the club of those who post their weekly updates on tuesday :-) [08:17] seb128: on it [08:17] I'm already writing it, noticed nobody else had either :-) [08:17] it should say that [08:17] lol [08:17] on it [08:17] also moin oSoMoN marcustomlinson seb128 [08:17] Laney, you said that already some minutes ago :p [08:17] * seb128 hands Laney some tea [08:18] oh yeah [08:18] haha [08:18] too distracted [08:18] writing my update [08:18] :) [08:18] ;-) [08:18] (-; [08:18] (-;-) [08:18] {|}c : { [08:18] hamburger [08:19] and... [08:19] supposed to be a bearded face [08:19] {|}c :{ [08:19] someone who just drunk a really sour drink [08:19] looks like the NTSecurityDescriptor spec we are reading with j_ibel [08:19] :) [08:21] * duflu has flashbacks to the turn of the century, reading just that word [08:22] Also morning ricotz, Laney, seb128 [08:24] hey duflu [08:34] what up duflu [08:34] RAOF, hey, do you plan to review again the tracker SRU? I commented back some time ago to address your questions [08:34] Trevinho, reminder that your yaru upload failed to build, that needs fixing [08:35] Random observation: Intel 11th gen mobile is 10nm, but 11th gen desktop is 14nm [08:35] * duflu wonders what year to upgrade his desktops [08:36] don't [08:37] buy woodworking tools instead, become a cabinet maker [08:37] [seb128](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_seb128:matrix.org): yup! But I'm on holiday this week (and last week), so not in the immediate future? [08:40] RAOF, ah, ok, sorry for bothering you during your holidays, enjoy the time off and disable those IRC notifications :p [08:42] duflu, Laney, Trevinho, you guys are using wayland right? did you notice graphical snaps not working there in 20.10 and maybe poked at it? (I saw the issue mentioned a few times now, users claim they are buggy on fedora and arch also so I wonder if that's due to new snap or new GNOME) [08:42] seb128, I am not using either [08:42] any snap? [08:43] Except in development [08:43] I am on Wayland but I don't use any of them regularly [08:43] I can try one [08:43] Laney, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apps-wont-run-and-crash-on-gnome-wayland/20322 [08:43] telegram works [08:43] that lists a bunch so I would expect any snap trying to use X [08:43] wait [08:43] did I upgrade this machine yet? maybe not [08:43] no [08:44] ok I'll do that first :> [08:44] lol [08:44] thanks, I will try later, I'm just under X atm I don't want to close my session [08:44] it doesn't get used much when not travelling except for email/irc/browsing [08:44] ah [08:44] wayland should work in a VM I guess, if you use qxl [08:44] hey marcustomlinson didrocks duflu Laney seb128 [08:44] seb128, thank you [08:44] hey ricotz , how are you? [08:45] np! [08:45] seb128, I am fine :), how are you [08:45] I'm alright! [08:50] hey ricotz [08:53] seb128, I too will look later when I'm done fixing test failures [08:54] duflu, thx [08:54] Although general statement: Please ask users to log bugs [08:54] Not sure where with that one yet [08:56] duflu, there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1897224 which needs to be retitled and reassigned to the right component (once we know if that is snapd or GNOME to blame) [08:56] Ubuntu bug 1897224 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] chromium wayland won't start in Ubuntu 20.10: Unable to open X display" [Medium,Confirmed] [09:08] why did apt autoremove just remove shim, was that expected ... [09:16] * duflu unexpectedly loses Wayland support and gains a new problem [09:19] Huh. I have reliably lost the Wayland login option. Yet I do all my gnome-shell 3.38 development work with Wayland [09:22] lol [09:22] why did I try to restart anyway [09:22] now I can't boot /o\ [09:22] :-( [09:22] seb128, Laney, my /etc/gdm3/custom.conf is suddenly just WaylandEnable=false [09:23] Does that mean I tried and failed to start it too many times? [09:23] pretty sure gdm doesn't write the config file itself [09:24] Same file after reinstalling the package [09:24] what's the mtime? [09:24] well yes, it's a conffile, dpkg will try to keep your modifications [09:24] Laney, an hour ago. That explains it I think. I booted Nvidia for testing [09:26] No idea who/what wrote that file [09:27] there's a gdm-disable-wayland helper which is supposed to write something like that to */run* [09:28] maybe have a look into that [09:28] Yeah I'm not too concerned if it's only people like me switching from nvidia to intel [09:28] would be nice if we had a codesearch.ubuntu.com [09:28] Laney, you had a experimental instance at some point, was it difficult to maintain? I'm pondering trying to set one up again [09:30] it kept breaking, can't remember why [09:31] there's like separate indexers or something [09:43] seb128, I am trying to find out how/where Xwayland's socket is implemented so as to offer some confinement advice [09:49] duflu, thanks [09:50] seb128, I have a few comments in the bug, but I will also EOD at some point soon [10:22] ok, back now /o\ [10:24] xnox: what is supposed to make shim{,-signed} be installed? because I just got that autoremoved and it caused me to have a sad time [10:24] s/be/remain/ [10:33] woohoo, my groovy dist-upgrade crapped out [10:33] Preparing to unpack .../07-rpcsvc-proto_1.4.2-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb ... [10:33] Unpacking rpcsvc-proto (1.4.2-0ubuntu3) ... [10:33] dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-q0aOnp/07-rpcsvc-proto_1.4.2-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/rpcgen', which is also in package libc-dev-bin 2.31-0ubuntu9.1 [10:38] rbalint: ^- can I/you fix this please? missing B&R [10:46] oSoMoN, I added you to https://trello.com/c/dquzGxCT/97-librsvg-2501 [10:49] seb128, ack, I'll be on it after lunch [10:50] oSoMoN, thanks & enjoy lunch! [11:39] Hi Laney, do you have a minute to take a stand on bug #1898541? [11:39] bug 1898541 in gnome-software (Ubuntu) "[FFe] Update to 3.38.0" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1898541 [11:51] GunnarHj: it's seeded on ubuntu-budgie and xubuntu so input from those teams would be useful - otherwise no objections [12:02] Laney: Ok, I pinged fossfreedom and bluesabre on the bug report. [12:08] 👍 [12:08] oops [12:08] imagine you were viewing that from australia [12:37] Laney: autoremoved?! [12:37] Laney: installer, installs it manually. meaning it should have been marked as manually installed...... [12:38] sudo apt install shim-signed grub-pc => more or less, should have been done by the installer [12:38] juliank: ^^^^^ [12:38] it's a fairly old installation [12:38] so could just be some weirdness [12:38] but i'm wondering what made it come up for autoremoval now [12:38] was just focal SRU updates (but now I'm on groovy) [12:39] do-release-upgrade does autoremove, no? [12:39] i don't think we have any strict depends/recommends/conflicts/replaces on shim(-signed) [12:40] not sure, this was before the update [12:40] you have to be current or d-r-u tells you off :-) [12:40] well update-manager -d [12:42] lol now I'm getting "Problem with defaults entries" emails again from the new host [12:42] tjaalton: guessing that upload hasn't happened yet? just wanted to remind, not much time now [12:51] Laney: mesa? I synced it yesterday and it got acked today [12:52] or sssd? [12:52] tjaalton: sssd [12:53] I forgot exactly what the change you suggested was [12:53] but I did just upgrade a machine to groovy and got sss in sudoers so I think it didn't happen yet [12:53] the change is committed to salsa git [12:53] recommends -> suggests [12:54] any chance you could upload it? [12:55] sure [12:55] ♥ [12:57] done (to sid) [13:01] Laney, xnox I do remember such a bug report [13:02] Laney, xnox it was marked as auto for a while because ubiquity deps were pulled in, wen they should not have been [13:06] juliank: I guess some dep tree dropped off that made it a candidate for removal now at least here [13:07] what about NeverAutoRemove? [13:19] hm..... [13:19] probably should be added there [13:19] secureboot-db shim-signed grub-pc [13:23] juliank: ^^^^^^^^^^^ [13:24] xnox: maybe [13:25] Laney: xnox: I just don't like having that section in the first place [13:25] Like configured inside apt [13:27] k... [13:27] I probably liked having an unbootable system less [13:27] good morning desktopers [13:30] hey Heather, how are you? [13:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 [13:30] Meeting started Tue Oct 6 13:30:12 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 | Current topic: [13:30] Roll call: didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk [13:30] \o [13:30] o/ [13:30] 👀 [13:31] o/ (but in the sprint) [13:32] k, let's assume we have enough people to get started [13:32] still useful to have a meeting round even if there is the sprint going on [13:32] #topic rls-bb-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 | Current topic: rls-bb-bug [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:32] no desktop entries [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:32] no unassigned one [13:32] #topic rls-ff-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 | Current topic: rls-ff-bug [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:33] bug #1872159 [13:33] bug 1872159 in plymouth (Ubuntu) "booting with splash hangs when external monitors are connected" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1872159 [13:33] Daniel tagged it, it has some duplicates and seem an annoying issue [13:34] I would vote +1 (and assign to Daniel who worked a bit on plymouth recently) [13:35] +1 [13:35] k, let's do that that [13:35] bug #1880405 [13:35] bug 1880405 in gnome-shell (Ubuntu) "High CPU and journal flooded with: JS ERROR: TypeError: null has no properties _onFocusChanged@resource:///org/gnome/shell/ui/closeDialog.js:135:9" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1880405 [13:36] Daniel tagged that one as well [13:37] seems annoying and has several duplicates [13:37] +1 from me, Trevinho do you think you could own that one? [13:37] yeah, I can see [13:38] thanks [13:39] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:40] bug #1870794 [13:40] bug 1870794 in fonts-noto-color-emoji (Ubuntu Focal) "Update for Unicode 13" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1870794 [13:41] while that would be nice to SRU I don't think it's a rls issue so I would vote -1 [13:41] agreed [13:41] i would also vote -1 [13:42] thx [13:42] -1, that's not fixing bugs, just adding emojis [13:42] (IIUC) [13:42] well, emoji are a silly but very beloved thing by the community though :) [13:42] bug #1892643 [13:42] bug 1892643 in libgweather (Ubuntu Focal) "[SRU] Update libgweather to 3.36.1" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1892643 [13:42] Trevinho, yeah, we should probably do that SRU, not a rls issue though [13:42] sure sure [13:43] ^ the libgweather update seems to fix issues to a service that got missing so probably worth accepting [13:43] anyone with (desktop is enough?) upload rights who want to review the sponsoring request? [13:44] this requires desktop-core [13:44] could do sponsoring [13:44] didrocks999, thanks [13:45] oSoMoN, you need that coredev application approved [13:45] next meeting is on monday [13:45] * oSoMoN needs more endorsements [13:45] maybe you could get didrocks999 and/or Laney to write something on your wikipage by then [13:45] pretty please ;) [13:45] 3 should be enough to go [13:46] k, next item [13:46] bug #1897962 [13:46] bug 1897962 in sane-backends (Ubuntu Focal) "Out of Memory Error with Brother DCP-J7720W " [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897962 [13:46] sure! [13:46] that's specific to one hardware, no duplicat [13:47] I would say it's not common enough to be a rls candidate and would -1 [13:47] This one could be worked around with resolving the sane-airscan MIR. [13:47] and the comments mention that the diff is huge, so not an obvious SRU candidate [13:48] k, let's reject the current nomination [13:48] tkamppeter, would that be backported to focal as well once approved? [13:49] k, that was it for focal [13:49] #topic rls-gg-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 | Current topic: rls-gg-bug [13:49] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:49] snae-airscan can already be easily grabbed from upstream as Ubuntu packages, AFAIK including Focal. So we can tell this user to grab that package. [13:50] tkamppeter, can you add a comment on the bug to say that? [13:50] bug #1897224 [13:50] bug 1897224 in snapd (Ubuntu) "[snap] chromium won't start on Xwayland in Ubuntu 20.10: Unable to open X display" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1897224 [13:50] seb128, will do. [13:50] that doesn't seem to be a chromium issue (even if it impacts chromium) [13:50] tkamppeter, thanks [13:51] yeah it appears to be more on the snapd side [13:51] kenvandine, could you get that looked at, duflu gave some hints, sounds like maybe some interface needs to be adapted for Xwayland changes in the next GNOME [13:51] I think we should accept the nomination [13:52] can do, in any case it needs further investigation and tracking for sure [13:52] let's accept it and sort out assignment when Ken is around [13:52] ack [13:52] the other one is a test bug I tagged to see if the filtering out of accepted tasks is working (and seems it's not) [13:53] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:53] items are assigned [13:53] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:53] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:53] Marco just did an yaru upload that should fix the build [13:54] others are candidates or waiting for to be cleared [13:54] yeah I thought I already did but looks like I had a wrong signature :o [13:54] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06 | Current topic: AOB [13:54] GNOME 3.38.1 week as a reminder if some want to help, https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 [13:54] I was thinking [13:55] that it might be fun to do an iso testing day next week [13:55] but we are mostly fine, though more tarball are probably going to come [13:55] on a google meet or something [13:55] would anyone join though? [13:55] i totally would! [13:55] +1 from me, I would join at least for part of the day [13:55] fun (and a good idea, otherwise we find all the bugs in release week and it's stressful) [13:56] yeah, that sounds good [13:56] Laney, you want to pick a day? or doodle it? [13:56] kool [13:56] could diverge some time from AD and do this [13:56] I'll pick a day, if enough people say no then we can move it [13:56] should be early in the week [13:56] because the release is the week after... [13:56] * Laney squeaks at that too [13:56] wfm [13:57] and right, earlier is better [13:57] hopefully we get the new shell by then so we are our GNOME stack uptodate for testing [13:57] I'm off on Monday, so I vote Tuesday [13:57] k, let's wrap on that note [13:57] I've another meeting starting [13:57] thanks desktopers! [13:58] thanks everyone [13:58] thanks! [13:58] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 [13:58] Meeting ended Tue Oct 6 13:58:11 2020 UTC. [13:58] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-10-06-13.30.moin.txt [13:58] thx! [13:58] thanks === didrocks999 is now known as didrocks [15:56] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggeZu4yLGw ZFS Dev Summit 2020 === jose- is now known as jose [20:42] hey, what is the best way to find the repo for an application? In this case, I'm looking for the repo for the "Ubuntu Software" application. [21:44] gnome-shell-extensions signed tags 563b383 Jeremy Bicha upstream/3.38.1 * Upstream version 3.38.1 * https://deb.li/mtMA [21:45] gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 41664b1 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 7 commits * https://deb.li/3rtBM [21:45] gnome-shell-extensions pristine-tar ed5a2f7 Jeremy Bicha gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/ypfy