[01:05] <callmepk> good morning
[01:19] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[01:19] <callmepk> morning duflu 
[01:19] <jamesh> hi callmepk, duflu 
[01:19] <callmepk> morning jamesh 
[01:31] <duflu> Hi jamesh 
[04:46] <jibel> good morning all
[04:57] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[05:18] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[06:02] <didrocks> good morning
[06:02] <duflu> Morning didrocks 
[06:04] <didrocks> hey duflu 
[06:23] <oSoMoN> good morning deskoppers
[06:23] <oSoMoN> *desktoppers
[06:24] <didrocks> hey marcustomlinson 
[06:24] <didrocks> ooopsss oSoMoN 
[06:24]  * didrocks needs another cup of coffee
[06:25] <didrocks> green nickname -> marcus
[06:25]  * oSoMoN refills didrocks's jar of coffee
[06:25] <didrocks> merci oSoMoN :)
[06:52] <duflu> Morning oSoMoN 
[07:13] <marcustomlinson> hey didrocks :)
[07:14] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu jamesh jibel and oSoMoN
[07:14] <marcustomlinson> and all ye desktoppers
[07:17] <duflu> Hi marcustomlinson 
[07:23] <jibel> Salut marcustomlinson 
[07:23] <didrocks> hey again marcustomlinson thus :p
[07:27] <jamesh> hi marcustomlinson 
[07:49] <oSoMoN> good morning duflu, marcustomlinson, jibel, jamesh 
[07:56] <jibel> Bonjour oSoMoN 
[07:57] <ricotz> good morning desktopers
[07:57] <oSoMoN> good morning ricotz 
[07:57] <ricotz> could some please sync vala 0.48.11-1 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vala/+bug/1897901
[07:58] <ricotz> oSoMoN, hey :)
[07:59] <ricotz> oSoMoN, I am hoping thunderbird 78.3.1 for bionic is on your list :)
[08:05] <Laney> moin
[08:08] <seb128> bah, IRC disconnect again while I was away from the computer... goood morning desktopers, I don't remember if I said so earlier :-)
[08:09] <oSoMoN> ricotz, it is on my list indeed
[08:09] <oSoMoN> good morning Laney, seb128 
[08:09] <marcustomlinson> hey ricotz Laney and seb128
[08:09] <didrocks> salut seb128 
[08:11] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, ça va mieux ?
[08:11] <seb128> hey marcustomlinson, didrocks, Laney , how are you today?
[08:12] <didrocks> ça va, et toi ?
[08:12] <seb128> ricotz, hey, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/groovy/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=vala btw
[08:12] <seb128> didrocks, ça va, levé de 5h à 7h avant de refaire une sieste d'1 heure :/
[08:13] <Laney> moin oSoMoN marcustomlinson seb128 
[08:13] <oSoMoN> seb128, beaucoup mieux, merci!
[08:13] <seb128> oSoMoN, bonne nouvelle !
[08:16] <marcustomlinson> seb128: well thanks. I don't remember what going to sleep at night and waking up only once feels like anymore :P
[08:16] <seb128> Laney, oSoMoN, Trevinho, jamesh, kenvandine, you should join us on the club of those who post their weekly updates on tuesday :-)
[08:17] <jamesh> seb128: on it
[08:17] <Laney> I'm already writing it, noticed nobody else had either :-)
[08:17] <Laney> it should say that
[08:17] <seb128> lol
[08:17] <oSoMoN> on it
[08:17] <Laney> also moin oSoMoN marcustomlinson seb128 
[08:17] <seb128> Laney, you said that already some minutes ago :p
[08:17]  * seb128 hands Laney  some tea
[08:18] <Laney> oh yeah
[08:18] <marcustomlinson> haha
[08:18] <Laney> too distracted
[08:18] <Laney> writing my update 
[08:18] <seb128> :)
[08:18] <Laney> ;-)
[08:18] <Laney> (-;
[08:18] <Laney> (-;-)
[08:18] <marcustomlinson> {|}c : {
[08:18] <Laney> hamburger
[08:19] <Laney> and...
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> supposed to be a bearded face
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> {|}c :{
[08:19] <Laney> someone who just drunk a really sour drink
[08:19] <didrocks> looks like the NTSecurityDescriptor spec we are reading with j_ibel
[08:19] <marcustomlinson> :)
[08:21]  * duflu has flashbacks to the turn of the century, reading just that word
[08:22] <duflu> Also morning ricotz, Laney, seb128 
[08:24] <seb128> hey duflu 
[08:34] <Laney> what up duflu 
[08:34] <seb128> RAOF, hey, do you plan to review again the tracker SRU? I commented back some time ago to address your questions
[08:34] <seb128> Trevinho, reminder that your yaru upload failed to build, that needs fixing
[08:35] <duflu> Random observation: Intel 11th gen mobile is 10nm, but 11th gen desktop is 14nm
[08:35]  * duflu wonders what year to upgrade his desktops
[08:36] <Laney> don't
[08:37] <Laney> buy woodworking tools instead, become a cabinet maker
[08:37] <RAOF> [seb128](https://matrix.to/#/@freenode_seb128:matrix.org): yup! But I'm on holiday this week (and last week), so not in the immediate future?
[08:40] <seb128> RAOF, ah, ok, sorry for bothering you during your holidays, enjoy the time off and disable those IRC notifications :p
[08:42] <seb128> duflu, Laney, Trevinho, you guys are using wayland right? did you notice graphical snaps not working there in 20.10 and maybe poked at it? (I saw the issue mentioned a few times now, users claim they are buggy on fedora and arch also so I wonder if that's due to new snap or new GNOME)
[08:42] <duflu> seb128, I am not using either
[08:42] <Laney> any snap?
[08:43] <duflu> Except in development
[08:43] <Laney> I am on Wayland but I don't use any of them regularly
[08:43] <Laney> I can try one
[08:43] <seb128> Laney, https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/apps-wont-run-and-crash-on-gnome-wayland/20322
[08:43] <Laney> telegram works
[08:43] <seb128> that lists a bunch so I would expect any snap trying to use X
[08:43] <Laney> wait
[08:43] <Laney> did I upgrade this machine yet? maybe not
[08:43] <Laney> no
[08:44] <Laney> ok I'll do that first :>
[08:44] <seb128> lol
[08:44] <seb128> thanks, I will try later, I'm just under X atm I don't want to close my session
[08:44] <Laney> it doesn't get used much when not travelling except for email/irc/browsing
[08:44] <Laney> ah
[08:44] <Laney> wayland should work in a VM I guess, if you use qxl
[08:44] <ricotz> hey marcustomlinson didrocks duflu Laney seb128 
[08:44] <ricotz> seb128, thank you
[08:44] <seb128> hey ricotz , how are you?
[08:45] <seb128> np!
[08:45] <ricotz> seb128, I am fine :), how are you
[08:45] <seb128> I'm alright!
[08:50] <didrocks> hey ricotz 
[08:53] <duflu> seb128, I too will look later when I'm done fixing test failures
[08:54] <seb128> duflu, thx
[08:54] <duflu> Although general statement: Please ask users to log bugs
[08:54] <duflu> Not sure where with that one yet
[08:56] <seb128> duflu, there is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1897224 which needs to be retitled and reassigned to the right component (once we know if that is snapd or GNOME to blame)
[09:08] <Laney> why did apt autoremove just remove shim, was that expected ...
[09:16]  * duflu unexpectedly loses Wayland support and gains a new problem
[09:19] <duflu> Huh. I have reliably lost the Wayland login option. Yet I do all my gnome-shell 3.38 development work with Wayland
[09:22] <Laney> lol
[09:22] <Laney> why did I try to restart anyway
[09:22] <Laney> now I can't boot /o\
[09:22] <seb128> :-(
[09:22] <duflu> seb128, Laney, my /etc/gdm3/custom.conf is suddenly just WaylandEnable=false
[09:23] <duflu> Does that mean I tried and failed to start it too many times?
[09:23] <Laney> pretty sure gdm doesn't write the config file itself
[09:24] <duflu> Same file after reinstalling the package
[09:24] <Laney> what's the mtime?
[09:24] <Laney> well yes, it's a conffile, dpkg will try to keep your modifications
[09:24] <duflu> Laney, an hour ago. That explains it I think. I booted Nvidia for testing
[09:26] <duflu> No idea who/what wrote that file
[09:27] <Laney> there's a gdm-disable-wayland helper which  is supposed to write something like that to */run*
[09:28] <Laney> maybe have a look into that
[09:28] <duflu> Yeah I'm not too concerned if it's only people like me switching from nvidia to intel
[09:28] <seb128> would be nice if we had a codesearch.ubuntu.com
[09:28] <seb128> Laney, you had a experimental instance at some point, was it difficult to maintain? I'm pondering trying to set one up again
[09:30] <Laney> it kept breaking, can't remember why
[09:31] <Laney> there's like separate indexers or something
[09:43] <duflu> seb128, I am trying to find out how/where Xwayland's socket is implemented so as to offer some confinement advice
[09:49] <seb128> duflu, thanks
[09:50] <duflu> seb128, I have a few comments in the bug, but I will also EOD at some point soon
[10:22] <Laney> ok, back now /o\
[10:24] <Laney> xnox: what is supposed to make shim{,-signed} be installed? because I just got that autoremoved and it caused me to have a sad time
[10:24] <Laney> s/be/remain/
[10:33] <Laney> woohoo, my groovy dist-upgrade crapped out
[10:33] <Laney> Preparing to unpack .../07-rpcsvc-proto_1.4.2-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb ...
[10:33] <Laney> Unpacking rpcsvc-proto (1.4.2-0ubuntu3) ...
[10:33] <Laney> dpkg: error processing archive /tmp/apt-dpkg-install-q0aOnp/07-rpcsvc-proto_1.4.2-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/bin/rpcgen', which is also in package libc-dev-bin 2.31-0ubuntu9.1
[10:38] <Laney> rbalint: ^- can I/you fix this please? missing B&R
[10:46] <seb128> oSoMoN, I added you to https://trello.com/c/dquzGxCT/97-librsvg-2501 
[10:49] <oSoMoN> seb128, ack, I'll be on it after lunch
[10:50] <seb128> oSoMoN, thanks & enjoy lunch!
[11:39] <GunnarHj> Hi Laney, do you have a minute to take a stand on bug #1898541?
[11:51] <Laney> GunnarHj: it's seeded on ubuntu-budgie and xubuntu so input from those teams would be useful - otherwise no objections
[12:02] <GunnarHj> Laney: Ok, I pinged fossfreedom and bluesabre on the bug report.
[12:08] <Laney> 👍
[12:08] <Laney> oops
[12:08] <Laney> imagine you were viewing that from australia
[12:37] <xnox> Laney:  autoremoved?!
[12:37] <xnox> Laney:  installer, installs it manually. meaning it should have been marked as manually installed......
[12:38] <xnox> sudo apt install shim-signed grub-pc => more or less, should have been done by the installer
[12:38] <xnox> juliank:  ^^^^^
[12:38] <Laney> it's a fairly old installation
[12:38] <Laney> so could just be some weirdness
[12:38] <Laney> but i'm wondering what made it come up for autoremoval now
[12:38] <Laney> was just focal SRU updates (but now I'm on groovy)
[12:39] <xnox> do-release-upgrade does autoremove, no?
[12:39] <xnox> i don't think we have any strict depends/recommends/conflicts/replaces on shim(-signed)
[12:40] <Laney> not sure, this was before the update
[12:40] <Laney> you have to be current or d-r-u tells you off :-)
[12:40] <Laney> well update-manager -d
[12:42] <Laney> lol now I'm getting "Problem with defaults entries" emails again from the new host
[12:42] <Laney> tjaalton: guessing that upload hasn't happened yet? just wanted to remind, not much time now
[12:51] <tjaalton> Laney: mesa? I synced it yesterday and it got acked today
[12:52] <tjaalton> or sssd?
[12:52] <Laney> tjaalton: sssd
[12:53] <Laney> I forgot exactly what the change you suggested was
[12:53] <Laney> but I did just upgrade a machine to groovy and got sss in sudoers so I think it didn't happen yet
[12:53] <tjaalton> the change is committed to salsa git
[12:53] <tjaalton> recommends -> suggests
[12:54] <Laney> any chance you could upload it?
[12:55] <tjaalton> sure
[12:55] <Laney> ♥
[12:57] <tjaalton> done (to sid)
[13:01] <juliank> Laney, xnox I do remember such a bug report
[13:02] <juliank> Laney, xnox it was marked as auto for a while because ubiquity deps were pulled in, wen they should not have been
[13:06] <Laney> juliank: I guess some dep tree dropped off that made it a candidate for removal now at least here
[13:07] <Laney> what about NeverAutoRemove?
[13:19] <xnox> hm.....
[13:19] <xnox> probably should be added there
[13:19] <xnox> secureboot-db shim-signed grub-pc
[13:23] <Laney> juliank: ^^^^^^^^^^^
[13:24] <juliank> xnox: maybe
[13:25] <juliank> Laney: xnox: I just don't like having that section in the first place
[13:25] <juliank> Like configured inside apt
[13:27] <Laney> k...
[13:27] <Laney> I probably liked having an unbootable system less
[13:27] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[13:30] <seb128> hey Heather, how are you?
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-06
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct  6 13:30:12 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[13:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:30] <hellsworth> o/
[13:30] <oSoMoN> 👀
[13:31] <kenvandine> o/ (but in the sprint)
[13:32] <seb128> k, let's assume we have enough people to get started
[13:32] <seb128> still useful to have a meeting round even if there is the sprint going on
[13:32] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> no desktop entries
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> no unassigned one
[13:32] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:33] <seb128> bug #1872159
[13:33] <seb128> Daniel tagged it, it has some duplicates and seem an annoying issue
[13:34] <seb128> I would vote +1 (and assign to Daniel who worked a bit on plymouth recently)
[13:35] <oSoMoN> +1
[13:35] <seb128> k, let's do that that
[13:35] <seb128> bug #1880405
[13:36] <seb128> Daniel tagged that one as well
[13:37] <seb128> seems annoying and has several duplicates
[13:37] <seb128> +1 from me, Trevinho do you think you could own that one?
[13:37] <Trevinho> yeah, I can see
[13:38] <seb128> thanks
[13:39] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:40] <seb128> bug #1870794
[13:41] <seb128> while that would be nice to SRU I don't think it's a rls issue so I would vote -1
[13:41] <didrocks999> agreed
[13:41] <hellsworth> i would also vote -1
[13:42] <seb128> thx
[13:42] <oSoMoN> -1, that's not fixing bugs, just adding emojis
[13:42] <oSoMoN> (IIUC)
[13:42] <Trevinho> well, emoji are a silly but very beloved thing by the community though :)
[13:42] <seb128> bug #1892643
[13:42] <seb128> Trevinho, yeah, we should probably do that SRU, not a rls issue though
[13:42] <Trevinho> sure sure
[13:43] <seb128> ^ the libgweather update seems to fix issues to a service that got missing so probably worth accepting
[13:43] <seb128> anyone with (desktop is enough?) upload rights who want to review the sponsoring request?
[13:44] <oSoMoN> this requires desktop-core
[13:44] <didrocks999> could do sponsoring
[13:44] <seb128> didrocks999, thanks
[13:45] <seb128> oSoMoN, you need that coredev application approved
[13:45] <seb128> next meeting is on monday
[13:45]  * oSoMoN needs more endorsements
[13:45] <seb128> maybe you could get didrocks999 and/or Laney to write something on your wikipage by then
[13:45] <oSoMoN> pretty please ;)
[13:45] <seb128> 3 should be enough to go
[13:46] <seb128> k, next item
[13:46] <seb128> bug #1897962
[13:46] <didrocks999> sure!
[13:46] <seb128> that's specific to one hardware, no duplicat
[13:47] <seb128> I would say it's not common enough to be a rls candidate and would -1
[13:47] <tkamppeter> This one could be worked around with resolving the sane-airscan MIR.
[13:47] <oSoMoN> and the comments mention that the diff is huge, so not an obvious SRU candidate
[13:48] <seb128> k, let's reject the current nomination
[13:48] <seb128> tkamppeter, would that be backported to focal as well once approved?
[13:49] <seb128> k, that was it for focal
[13:49] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:49] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:49] <tkamppeter> snae-airscan can already be easily grabbed from upstream as Ubuntu packages, AFAIK including Focal. So we can tell this user to grab that package.
[13:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, can you add a comment on the bug to say that?
[13:50] <seb128> bug #1897224
[13:50] <tkamppeter> seb128, will do.
[13:50] <seb128> that doesn't seem to be a chromium issue (even if it impacts chromium)
[13:50] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks
[13:51] <oSoMoN> yeah it appears to be more on the snapd side
[13:51] <seb128> kenvandine, could you get that looked at, duflu gave some hints, sounds like maybe some interface needs to be adapted for Xwayland changes in the next GNOME
[13:51] <seb128> I think we should accept the nomination
[13:52] <oSoMoN> can do, in any case it needs further investigation and tracking for sure
[13:52] <seb128> let's accept it and sort out assignment when Ken is around
[13:52] <oSoMoN> ack
[13:52] <seb128> the other one is a test bug I tagged to see if the filtering out of accepted tasks is working (and seems it's not)
[13:53] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:53] <seb128> items are assigned
[13:53] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:53] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:53] <seb128> Marco just did an yaru upload that should fix the build
[13:54] <seb128> others are candidates or waiting for to be cleared
[13:54] <Trevinho> yeah I thought I already did but looks like I had a wrong signature :o
[13:54] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:54] <seb128> GNOME 3.38.1 week as a reminder if some want to help, https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338
[13:54] <Laney> I was thinking
[13:55] <Laney> that it might be fun to do an iso testing day next week
[13:55] <seb128> but we are mostly fine, though more tarball are probably going to come
[13:55] <Laney> on a google meet or something
[13:55] <Laney> would anyone join though?
[13:55] <hellsworth> i totally would!
[13:55] <seb128> +1 from me, I would join at least for part of the day
[13:55] <Laney> fun (and a good idea, otherwise we find all the bugs in release week and it's stressful)
[13:56] <oSoMoN> yeah, that sounds good
[13:56] <seb128> Laney, you want to pick a day? or doodle it?
[13:56] <Laney> kool
[13:56] <didrocks999> could diverge some time from AD and do this
[13:56] <Laney> I'll pick a day, if enough people say no then we can move it
[13:56] <Laney> should be early in the week
[13:56] <Laney> because the release is the week after...
[13:56]  * Laney squeaks at that too
[13:56] <seb128> wfm
[13:57] <seb128> and right, earlier is better
[13:57] <seb128> hopefully we get the new shell by then so we are our GNOME stack uptodate for testing
[13:57] <oSoMoN> I'm off on Monday, so I vote Tuesday
[13:57] <seb128> k, let's wrap on that note
[13:57] <seb128> I've another meeting starting
[13:57] <seb128> thanks desktopers!
[13:58] <oSoMoN> thanks everyone
[13:58] <hellsworth> thanks!
[13:58] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct  6 13:58:11 2020 UTC.  
[13:58] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-10-06-13.30.moin.txt
[13:58] <didrocks999> thx!
[13:58] <marcustomlinson> thanks
[15:56] <luna_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qggeZu4yLGw ZFS Dev Summit 2020 
[20:42] <bendman> hey, what is the best way to find the repo for an application? In this case, I'm looking for the repo for the "Ubuntu Software" application.
[21:44] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extensions signed tags 563b383 Jeremy Bicha upstream/3.38.1 * Upstream version 3.38.1 * https://deb.li/mtMA
[21:45] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extensions upstream/latest 41664b1 Jeremy Bicha * pushed 7 commits * https://deb.li/3rtBM
[21:45] <KGB-2> gnome-shell-extensions pristine-tar ed5a2f7 Jeremy Bicha gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gnome-shell-extensions_3.38.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/ypfy