[00:04] <Arcorann_> There are timers you can plug the power cable into, though I guess those might be easier to disable than hiding the charger
[06:19] <john86> i heard lubuntu changed the underlying system
[06:20] <john86> what is happening to PCManFM?
[06:29] <john86> Well, I found it out myself: seems it has been superseded by PCManFM-Qt, which is used on 18.10 and later.
[06:29] <john86> Yeah, I am running behind...
[06:30] <john86> ~$ cat /etc/issueUbuntu 18.04.5 LTS \n \l
[06:30] <john86> Apart from some freezing problems, I really really love PCManFM.
[06:30] <john86> Hope I will get the same, or better experience with PCManFM-Qt.
[06:31] <john86> Guys responsible for this software....KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !!!
[06:44] <guiverc> john86, GTK2 is dead (used only by gimp which hasn't completed port to GTK3 yet) Pcman the creator of `pcmanfm` ported it to GTK3 and blogged about slowness/heaviness; it was then re-ported to Qt meaning pcmanfm-qt is where development now is. LXDE devs joined with RazorQt creating new LXQt project
[06:45] <guiverc> the LXQt work isn't really new, they started years ago, Lubuntu's last four releases have used LXQt
[06:47] <sublim20> hey all, im running lubuntu, and im trying to install mono.  on the webpage of mono, it indicates two different install methods.  one for ubuntu, and another for debian.  which should i use?
[06:47] <sublim20> https://www.mono-project.com/download/stable/#download-lin
[06:51] <guiverc> sublim20, Lubuntu is a Ubuntu flavor, so the Ubuntu method
[06:52] <sublim20> guiverc, thank you.  i thought so, but wanted to check
[06:52] <guiverc> Lubuntu is an official flavor, so you're welcome to use #ubuntu here (the base of Lubuntu, Ubuntu and other flavors are all identical; the desktop on top of Ubuntu base is the difference).  You're welcome
[06:53] <sublim20> guiverc, what do you mean by 'flavor'?
[06:53] <guiverc> Look up ubuntu.com yourself, ie. https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours
[06:53] <sublim20> heh.  thanks for the response guiverc.
[06:54] <sublim20> *feels dumb for asking now* :p
[06:55] <guiverc> not a problem, better to ask than be unsure or in the dark (even if just potentially)
[06:56] <guiverc> If you download a flavor ISO, it'll be from ubuntu.com (a dead giveaway if using a fake, they'll download from elsewhere)
[06:56] <guiverc> (in case you're confused; if you go to lubuntu.me to download an iso, you select, then download comes from cdimage.ubuntu.com as all Ubuntu flavors do)
[07:48] <murlidhar> ok should i install the alternate or the desktop ... am using core 2 duo processor . its a 2009 pc.
[07:55] <tomreyn> murlidhar: if you want 20.04, i thinkt here's just the desktop available.
[07:55] <tomreyn> how much ram do you have, if you know?
[07:57] <murlidhar> tomreyn:hi. no idea how much ram i have
[07:57] <murlidhar> tomreyn:i dont mind installing an earlier version.
[07:57] <tomreyn> it should say in the bios
[07:58] <murlidhar> can i not find using any terminal command?
[07:59] <tomreyn> sure: free -g
[07:59] <murlidhar> tomreyn: everything is zero here
[07:59] <tomreyn> "total" "Mem" is installed ram
[08:00] <tomreyn> hmm, just    free -h
[08:00] <murlidhar> 1.9
[08:00] <tomreyn> that is... not much
[08:01] <murlidhar> old pc   2009
[08:01] <tomreyn> yes, sure. i'm just meaning to dicourage you from running a desktop and multi-tab web browser there
[08:02] <murlidhar> i dont' use the desktop much. now i just want to edit pics in rawtherapee app .
[08:03] <murlidhar> not sure if upgrading the ram will help, dont want to put money on my desktop to upgrade. looking for a cheaper solution.
[08:03] <tomreyn> hmm, you can try. i haven't used it but assume a raw image editor could use much ram
[08:04] <murlidhar> currently i am using lubuntu n it is much easier to run than say ubuntu
[08:04] <tomreyn> maybe you can get some ram for free or really cheap pre-owned?
[08:05] <tomreyn> if you can afford to, start saving for a new computer, though, since those core 2 are old, draw good amounts of power.
[08:05] <murlidhar> yeah i will try but dont want to give up before trying to upgrade my lubuntu ... its an old version and i am not able to upgrade it.
[08:06] <tomreyn> is there an error message?
[08:06] <murlidhar> yes
[08:06] <tomreyn> do you want help with it?
[08:06] <murlidhar> sudo apt-get upgrade gives errors
[08:07] <murlidhar> not able to install any app either. it is giving me errors. like if i do sudo apt-get install rawtherapee it gives me errors
 Switching to Qt version of Lubuntu requires clean install, there is no in-place upgrade. … Remember to backup your data!
[08:08] <tomreyn> can't help you with out seeing those error messages
[08:08] <tomreyn> oh right, no in-place upgrade for some lubuntu releases
[08:08] <murlidhar> ok let me pastebin it. ... where do u think i should pastebin ? i dont remember those websites where we could pastebin it
[08:12] <kc2bez> !paste
[08:12] <murlidhar> tomreyn:https://pastebin.pl/view/e152fce4
[08:12] <murlidhar> kc2bez:thanks. i googled it :)
[08:13] <tomreyn> murlidhar: so what are you running now? lsb_release -ds
[08:14] <tomreyn> the problem seems to be with teh discord package, not rawtherapee
[08:15] <murlidhar> says ubuntu 19.04
[08:15] <murlidhar> but it is running lubuntu
[08:21] <tomreyn> murlidhar: uh that's been eol for a while
[08:21] <tomreyn> !19.04
[08:23] <tomreyn> i think you'll need to do the fresh install first of all
[08:24] <tomreyn> if you intend to keep using 19.04 a little more before you do, with its outdated and insecure software, you can use "sudo dpkg --purge discord" to try and get rid of the problematic package.
[09:00] <murlidhar> tomreyn:yes thats why i was asking if i need to install alternative or desktop version
[09:47] <john86> @guiverc Thanks for your answer. I've been testing 20.04 now in a virtual box. PCManFM-Qt looks great there. One of these days I will promote my desktop system top 20.04.
[09:47] <john86> Lubuntu that is :-)
[10:13] <Olympos> Dear Sirs, until yesterday I used Lubuntu 18 version with the capacity to shift languages from English to Greek and vice versa with a simple click on a  relevant icon (flagged) on my screen but now with the installed Lubuntu 20 version the icon is gone and I cannot write a message in Greek. What can I do to restore this language shift capability?y
[10:13] <Olympos> screen
[10:15] <LimeOn> Hello, you want to "see" your programs in greek or just "write" with the specific chracters of the greek language?
[10:18] <Olympos> I only want to also use the Greek characters in my e-mails to Greeks with a simple click on a screen icon as before.
[10:18] <LimeOn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[10:18] <LimeOn> check the tab "keyboard and layout"
[10:18] <LimeOn> you can add greek as a secondary layout and switch between with a key(that you can select)
[10:20] <Olympos> Thank you very much for your help! I will follow your instructions!
[10:30] <LimeOn> If that does not work, there's algo another application called fcitx
[10:30] <LimeOn> also*
[10:32] <Olympos> Unfortunately, it did not work!
[10:33] <LimeOn> i found that the 1st option toggle key didnt worked for me either
[10:33] <LimeOn> with that you should change them with that window i think
[10:33] <LimeOn> try fcitx, i managed to press the "toggle keys" and write a character with the other layout
[10:36] <Olympos> Why shifting languages in the key board with the latest Lubuntu version is now impossible?
[10:40] <LimeOn> i have no idea of that, i just knew where the option was :)
[10:40] <Olympos> What can I do now?
[10:41] <Olympos> If you want to write an e-mail in Greek what will you do?
[10:42] <LimeOn> you can switch them ammnually
[10:42] <LimeOn> manually*
[10:42] <LimeOn> entering in keyboard and mouse> keyboard layout
[10:42] <Olympos> How? I am not an expert in computers!
[10:43] <LimeOn> is just write in the menu "keyboard and mouse"
[10:43] <LimeOn> open the icon with that name
[10:43] <LimeOn> now in the window that appears, there's a "big button" called "keyboard layout"
[10:44] <LimeOn> you choose that one and you will see that you have some buttons, called "add","up","down"
[10:45] <LimeOn> if you press the one that says "add" a new tab will appear and you can choose greek there
[10:45] <LimeOn> then you will see the different greek layouts supported
[10:46] <LimeOn> you choose the one you want(or try add one and check if that is the one you want)
[10:46] <Olympos> In the menu "keyboard and mouse" there is no layout for any languages!
[10:47] <Olympos> I cannot see in my menu what you describe!
[10:47] <LimeOn> you dont see the icon called "keyboard and mouse" in your menu?
[10:48] <LimeOn> or you dont see the option to add the layout?
[10:48] <Olympos> Are you on TeamViewer?
[10:48] <LimeOn> nope
[10:49] <Olympos> I do not see the option to add the layout!
[10:49] <LimeOn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/3/3.2/3.2.8/keyboard_and_mouse.html
[10:49] <LimeOn> check in the linkthe 4th image
[10:50] <LimeOn> that is what you should see
[10:51] <LimeOn> https://manual.lubuntu.me/stable/_images/keyboardlayout.png (this is the image)
[10:53] <Olympos> I do not see what is described in the link. How can I get there? Do you go there via the preferences menu or in another way?
[10:55] <LimeOn> Olympos: you need to open the menu bar(the one with the bird) and where says "search"(just above the icon) you put "keyboard and mouse"
[10:56] <LimeOn> you will see only one result, the icon of the app is a keyboard
[11:00] <Olympos> what I see there is quite different from what I see in the link on the subject! The only option I am given is to type something on a  window
[11:01] <LimeOn> can you share a image of it?
[11:01] <Olympos> What I see is the exactly same with what I see going there via the preferences menu!
[11:02] <LimeOn> you can also acces to the app via preferences>lxqt settings>keyboard and mouse
[11:02] <Olympos> How can I make you see what I see in my screen on the subject?
[11:03] <LimeOn> i think that you have in your keyboard a key called prnt screen or print
[11:03] <LimeOn> if you press that one you take a picture of your screen
[11:06] <Olympos> I did press that  print key! What is next to do? Did you get a photo of my screen?
[11:07] <LimeOn> you will see the photo in a new window
[11:07] <LimeOn> and you must save it somewhere in the computer
[11:09] <Olympos> I saved it!
[11:09] <LimeOn> nice
[11:09] <Olympos> What next?
[11:09] <LimeOn> you should upload it now
[11:09] <LimeOn> https://imgur.com/upload i think that here you can upload it without registration
[11:10] <LimeOn> simply by drag the photo there
[11:14] <Olympos> Did you get it?
[11:14] <LimeOn> you need to share the link
[11:15] <LimeOn> after upload the photo they will give you a link
[11:16] <LimeOn> to do so, after the message "upload complete" you should make a right click on the image and choose "copy image location"
[14:41] <simbol-ae> hello
[14:42] <akem> Hi.
[17:13] <Olympos> At last, I found what we were looking for but the system did not follow my instructions because of the Fcitx Input Method !!! In conclusion, the Lubuntu 20 version must be updated with the option to shift languages on the keyboard with a simple click or touch on a certain pair of keys like Alt+Shift
[17:17] <Olympos> Any other suggestions for shifting languages on the keyboard with mouse?
[17:20] <Olympos> Will  Lubuntu 20 allow the use of an additional language on the keyboard with mouse, as Lubuntu 18 version?
[17:33] <LimeOn> you solved the problem?
[17:33] <LimeOn> any other input system will overwrite the toggle key of the keyboard and mouse app
[17:41] <LimeOn> Olympos: i found the way
[17:41] <LimeOn> by deafult, an app called iBus is whom defines the keys to change the languages
[17:41] <LimeOn> i managed to change from arab to english with shit+space for example
[17:42] <LimeOn> شس غخع ؤشى سثث
[17:42] <LimeOn> as you can see
[17:44] <LimeOn> You need to open iBus app(you can find it in the search bar of the menu)
[18:10] <Olympos> I did not see iBus on the menu!
[18:11] <Olympos> How can I find iBus app?
[18:15] <LimeOn> In the search part
[18:15] <LimeOn> above the bird menu button
[18:16] <LimeOn> you will see a result called "iBus preferences"
[18:17] <Olympos> Should I write something there in the empty space?
[18:52] <Olympos> Hello!