[00:00] <OfflineLubuntu> looks like 20.04 only has kernel 5.4
[00:00] <OfflineLubuntu> maybe it's a good thing to stray from LTS now that I got the hang of it?
[00:01] <OfflineLubuntu> only thing is, very worried about losing data during partitioning, is there an easy way to upgrade from 20.04 to 20.10 while securing files?
[00:01] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: you could try a 20.04.1 lubuntu sure
[00:02] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: 20.10 is not an lts and also not final released, so not yet ready for non-testers
[00:02] <OfflineLubuntu> so despite being lower resources if it has the 5.8 kernel it will have the driver support?
[00:02] <OfflineLubuntu> sorry what I means is if the 5.8 would work on 20.04
[00:03] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: not sure, if i was you i would first liveusb 20.10 just as a test first
[00:03] <OfflineLubuntu> yeah I should run it off usbs more and not jump to installation so hard
[00:03] <OfflineLubuntu> always forget that option
[00:03] <OfflineLubuntu> although... is it even possible to download driver updates when runing OS off the usb?
[00:04] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: ubuntu loads driver modules at boot (if supported)
[00:04] <OfflineLubuntu> but the drives would be on the OS's iso?
[00:04] <OfflineLubuntu> so I don't need to DL?
[00:05] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: it depends on the chipset brand
[00:05] <OfflineLubuntu> hm, looks like lubuntu's last version was 19.04 guess it hasn't been updated in a while
[00:05] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: like broadccom has offline drivers on the iso extra
[00:05] <OfflineLubuntu> maybe I should find anothe lower-resource port of ubuntu which has had a more recent update
[00:06] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/daily-live/pending/
[00:06] <OfflineLubuntu> posted at https://askubuntu.com/questions/1280661/can-i-download-a-dongles-driver-via-windows-10-laptop-put-it-on-my-usb-then-i
[00:07] <OfflineLubuntu> only 64bit :(
[00:07] <OfflineLubuntu> well, I could run that on the 2010 4gb, that's 64bit processor
[00:07] <OfflineLubuntu> just not my beloved 2007 3gb because it's 32
[00:08] <OfflineLubuntu> getting1.8gb iso to try out on other now I guess
[00:10] <OfflineLubuntu> will just overrwite the 20.04 on my 4gb usb
[00:11] <OfflineLubuntu> oh man, yeah lsb_release a says I'm using 18.04.5 LTS
[00:12] <OfflineLubuntu> maybe there's just no recent kernel support for 32bit
[00:13] <jeremy31> OfflineLubuntu:  I edited the tags and will work on it later
[00:17] <OfflineLubuntu> do you know command to check if I have build-essential ?
[00:18] <lotuspsychje> OfflineLubuntu: apt policy build-essential
[00:18] <OfflineLubuntu> installed: 12.4ubuntul
[00:22] <OfflineLubuntu> so I was told to download the zip which I think is https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux/archive/master.zip from https://github.com/abperiasamy/rtl8812AU_8821AU_linux
[00:32] <OfflineLubuntu> in https://askubuntu.com/questions/571414/driver-8812au-install-with-no-ethernet-access noticed something perhaps relevant from chiili555
[00:33] <OfflineLubuntu> I tried apt policy linux-headers and it says installed (none) so if that's necessary I'll need to manually add that too
[00:33] <OfflineLubuntu> unless maybe there's a 32bit iso which includes it
[00:33] <oerheks> i thought headers are included with the build-essential package?
[00:33] <oerheks> which you seem to have..
[00:40] <guiverc> OfflineLubuntu, did you verify your ISO post-download? and then validate the write to media?  With your description of a machine being freezing/flaky (even windows), have you checked your hardware? (SMART to validate drives, validated PSU provides good power, & visual scan of motherboard to ensure no swollen caps etc)
[00:41] <OfflineLubuntu> I'm not really sure what to look for in terms of hardware damage for swelling. I do know that prior to inheriting the 2010 comp this year it had probably gone 10 years without cleaning by previous owner, was picking out a LOT of dust
[00:41] <OfflineLubuntu> so if there was heating damage that could be possible
[00:42] <OfflineLubuntu> like tweezing dust balls out of the fan,  etc. first hing I did after I got it
[00:46] <guiverc> OfflineLubuntu, if careful you can vacumn inside box (don't use metal end of cleaner, don't touch anything), capacitors swell as they go bad so the flat tops (& cross/lines indented) they should have disappear.. sign of them going bad, result is machine will freeze, reboot or risks corrupt data.. dusty keeps heat in and shortens life somewhat, but it's mostly age (components reaching their EOL)
[00:47] <guiverc> fyi: my own desktop is a 2009 dell
[00:50] <OfflineLubuntu> there is a 50 pg pdf I found for the 2010 one which maybe I can find a pic of capacitors in http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01859455
[00:50] <OfflineLubuntu> also I have no idea what pocket media drives are but they always seem to be thee
[00:54] <guiverc> OfflineLubuntu, https://i.stack.imgur.com/iVlmX.jpg
[00:54] <OfflineLubuntu> they double in length? madness
[00:55] <guiverc> (height is usually minimal difference, key is the smooth top versus flat-good-top)
[00:56] <OfflineLubuntu> man I'm just gonna stop screwing in my VGA and DVI connectors from now on, big hassle
[00:57] <guiverc> another pic - arrow highlights bad - https://zdnet2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2014/08/29/d3b45073-2f54-11e4-9e6a-00505685119a/resize/1170x878/d145b5ad2e062e2edf12245612ba2817/16859.jpg
[00:57] <guiverc> (I think they missed an marginal [on it's way out too] on in that last pic)
[01:00] <OfflineLubuntu> those things seem pretty tiny, that's a big closeup, I'll take a photo of the inside of the 2010 4gb 64bit tht keeps crashing though
[01:00] <OfflineLubuntu> the 2007 gb 32bit is weathering along niecly with lubuntu except for the need of wireless LAN means
[01:01] <guiverc> you won't get much from a photo, a visual scan is required as you need to see it from varying angles (the one that looks marginal to me may for example look great for other angles thus why the arrow isn't there)
[01:03] <OfflineLubuntu> a convex  curve in the metal circle middle on top is the indicator?
[01:03] <guiverc> please don't post photo here, this is a Ubuntu channel, photos of hardware belong in a hardware room too.  I was suggesting a cap-scan as it's what I'd be doing.
[01:08] <OfflineLubuntu>  visibly neither the red ones or blue ones seem to be swelling
[02:04] <skymouse> how can I diagnose my window manager crashing on resume from `systemctl suspend'?
[02:43] <k_sze> I just got a coupld of warnings like these when running `apt full-upgrade`: W: Possible missing firmware /lib/firmware/i915/bxt_guc_33.0.0.bin for module i915
[02:43] <k_sze> What the heck is that about?
[02:45] <skymouse> your kernel was probably updated, and during that process drivers have to be compiled or installed in to the new kernel.
[02:45] <skymouse> But the source or microcode for a specific driver isn't present on your system in the place expected
[02:47] <matsaman> shmarnings
[02:47] <oerheks> info linux-firmware
[02:47] <oerheks> !info linux-firmware
[02:48] <k_sze> linux-firmware is installed. This is bionic 18.04 with latest HWE kernel.
[02:48] <k_sze> In fact, the kernel was not even updated during the `apt full-upgrade` just now. It was initramfs, I think.
[02:49] <oerheks> hmm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-firmware/+bug/1890889
[02:50] <skymouse> for me, `dpkg -L linux-firmware | fgrep 'bxt_guc_3' ' lists the firmware as being installed there?
[02:52] <k_sze> skymouse, wrong version though, as reported in the bug that oerheks linked.
[02:53] <k_sze> something is expecting version 33.0.0, but I still see version 32.0.3 in linux-firmware
[02:53] <skymouse> ahh, I'm sorry. I'm running 20.04, whose package includes both firmware versions
[02:56] <OfflineLubuntu> editing modeswitch.rules is a tad confusing... has these commands like ^G for Get Help and ^O for Write Out and so on but not sure where to type those letters
[02:57] <OfflineLubuntu> I think ^W for Where Is would be something like a Find Test which could be helpful
[02:57] <k_sze> It's also missing firmware for realtek r8169
[02:57] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: are you using nano editor?
[02:57] <OfflineLubuntu> GNU nano 2.9.3
[02:57] <skymouse> ^G or ^O means press control g or control o
[02:58] <k_sze> Does the Intel i915 firmware have anything to do with the Intel integrated graphics on 8th gen Core i7?
[02:58] <OfflineLubuntu> ah, will try to remember this, thanks
[03:00] <OfflineLubuntu> and I'm getting the sense that using # at start is for doing comment notes that don't function
[03:00] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: after you're done with edits, control o will write to a file modeswitch.rules press enter and then control X will exit nano
[03:01] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: # this is a comment   newline # another comment
[03:02] <delita> man, this guy has been goin for seven hours now
[03:03] <pavlos> perseverance ...
[03:07] <OfflineLubuntu> was wondering if I cloned the git and want to install a driver
[03:07] <OfflineLubuntu> if it matters where you have that clone when you install it
[03:07] <OfflineLubuntu> or if you need to keep the clone afterward there
[03:08] <OfflineLubuntu> it seems like I just need to copy the folde over and then open it in terminal and say MAKE
[03:08] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: when you git clone it will create a dir and all the files inside dir
[03:08] <OfflineLubuntu> yeah I did that using Desktop GitHub and then put the folder in my USB
[03:08] <OfflineLubuntu> I guess folder = dir
[03:08] <oerheks> if that git builds a DKMS, yes you want to keep the clone
[03:09] <OfflineLubuntu> anyway I copied the folder to my /home/MYNAME/ directory
[03:09] <OfflineLubuntu> but I imagine if I did that with a lot of clones it would get cluttered and might want to move it later
[03:09] <OfflineLubuntu> but wondering if that would mess it up
[03:10] <OfflineLubuntu> istructions say I could build and install without DKMS, but I went through step of verifying I had DKMS, so kinda confusing..
[03:10] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: each folder has all the files in needs, so you could have /home/doctor/projectA and /home/doctor/projectB
[03:11] <OfflineLubuntu> yeah but if I decided to change the directory would I need to change some kind of reference to where it points?
[03:11] <OfflineLubuntu> ie for the drivers for my dongle to still get called upon
[03:11] <oerheks> why changing directory?
[03:12] <OfflineLubuntu> no need now since home isn't that cluttered, just seems like eventually it might be good idea
[03:12] <OfflineLubuntu> didn't want to make it too hidden so I could find it
[03:12] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: after a clean "make" it may need a "make install" which will place files in the proper system dirs
[03:12] <OfflineLubuntu> hmmm " To make use of the DKMS feature with this project, just run:
[03:13] <OfflineLubuntu> I think I overlooked that because I only just now noticed the .sh file within the clone, perhaps that'd be simpler
[03:13] <pavlos> OfflineLubuntu: do you have a link for this driver so I can follow ...
[03:16] <k_sze> In practice, what do the warnings of missing firmware mean for me? Does that mean the related hardware won't work at my next reboot?
[03:17] <skymouse> p much
[03:18] <OfflineLubuntu> THREE BARS ... I'll take it
[03:18] <k_sze> skymouse, unless I pick a slightly older kernel that still has the firmware from the grub menu, right?
[03:19] <OfflineLubuntu> pavlos I just installed https://github.com/brektrou/rtl8821CU
[03:19] <OfflineLubuntu> it actually worked and stuff... this is amazing
[03:19] <skymouse> k_sze: yeah
[03:19] <OfflineLubuntu> this would even make me go out and buy another copy of the same dongle for the other desktop once I can test if it can run lubuntu 64bit without dying
[03:19] <OfflineLubuntu> if it can't even run that then something is terribly wrong beyond my means
[03:20] <k_sze> What's odd is that the bug isn't exactly new. How is it that I only see it now? I run apt full-upgrade quite frequently.
[03:21] <k_sze> (`apt update` first, and then `apt full-upgrade`, obviously)
[03:23] <skymouse> I have no idea. I'm sorry. :'(
[03:28] <OfflineLubuntu> gotta sleep now night all
[03:28] <OfflineLubuntu> thanks for help
[04:51] <c-nister> hello in here... anyone running an encrypted customized ubuntu pendrive ?
[06:59] <mlok_> Hello I was trying to setup RAID but I removed one of the disks before I properly removed it from RAID /dev/sdd
[06:59] <mlok_> https://pastebin.com/aEDCtJbv
[06:59] <mlok_> Is there a way I could remove it from RAID when the disk is not physically there?
[08:04] <max12345> hey everyone, I reached out to a package maintainer via question and bug report on launchpad three weeks ago and have not received a reply. I want to contribute/improve the package. Any advice on what else I can try?
[08:09] <ynota> @max12345 have you tried code triage? https://www.codetriage.com/
[08:13] <max12345> ynota: how would that help improving the package I have the problem with?
[08:15] <tomreyn> !contribute
[08:16] <ynota> @max12345 if the project is linked with code triage it may be a better way to communicate with the maintainer.
[08:20] <tomreyn> most of the time, package maintainer != original developer
[08:21] <max12345> Sure.
[08:22] <max12345> I signed up for the ubuntu-devel mailing list and ask my question there again, with links.
[08:22] <max12345> I don't mind that it's not the original developer, I just want to talk to the guy who decides on merges at the moment and convince him that some things should be changed. :)
[08:25] <tomreyn> max12345: cool, i was rather responding to ynota there. you may also want to read up on the !SRU process
[08:25] <tomreyn> !sru
[08:29] <max12345> tomreyn: thanks! I don't think my case is that critical... do you happen to know if the list subscription has to be confirmed by a moderator or it should be automatic? I'm waiting on the confirmation mail...
[08:30] <tomreyn> max12345: hmm, i'm not actually sure, no. i think it's just mailman, though, isn't it? if so, there should be a web interface where you could login and check your status.
[08:31] <tomreyn> yes, it's mailman
[08:31] <tomreyn> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[08:31] <tomreyn> see the bottom options
[08:32] <tomreyn> you'll need to get a password reminder then use that to login and edit options
[08:33] <tomreyn> "Open to all to subscribe, posting moderated for people who are not Ubuntu developers"
[08:34] <tomreyn> you'd probably still need to confirm your subscription in terms of clicking on a link in a subsdcription prompt e-mail, but this should be it.
[08:38] <max12345> Yep, I will just wait a bit for the prompt mail then.
[08:39] <tomreyn> check spam :)
[08:41] <max12345> naturally. :) it's not there.
[08:45] <todo> hi all please help, wanting to get a program running after installing aa and firejail, have run "sudo aa-genprof", system throws error cant find systemlog "/var/log/syslog" can you give me any pointers please
[09:21] <yuri6037> Hi, does anyone know how to fix DPKG? It's broken. Trying to update a NVIDIA driver caused DPKG to break completely: cannot install, cannot remove, cannot purge, cannot upgrade, cannot fix-broken
[09:22] <yuri6037> Every commands complains that pulseaudio has unmet dependencies and trying to install pulseaudio causes zlib to be  have unmet dependency on libglib2 WTF is that?
[09:23] <yuri6037> Here is a log when trying fix-broken: https://pastebin.com/5nAE9gBH
[09:25] <yuri6037> I tried to remove architecture i386 but guess what DPKG refuses to do this cause apparently it's in use while I know no apps are currently running and needs x86 support!
[09:25] <oerheks> 43 not upgraded. run apt full-upgrade
[09:25] <yuri6037> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or specify a solution).
[09:26] <oerheks> oh removing i386 arch also ..
[09:26] <yuri6037> Cannot remove it
[09:26] <yuri6037> dpkg: error: cannot remove architecture 'i386' currently in use by the database
[09:26] <oerheks> tehn odn for now, do a proper upgrade first
[09:26] <oerheks> c/then don't for now
[09:27] <yuri6037> I tried all commands possible DPKG/apt is completely broken everything is rejected
[09:36] <chieta> how to monitor the directory ?
[09:37] <jpds> chieta: What directory?
[09:38] <chieta> the upload directory /srv/upload/
[09:43] <jpds> chieta: You could use auditd or some monitoring solution that keeps a count of how many files are in there
[09:43] <jpds> chieta: But nothing is directly built into Ubuntu so you'd have to create your own script
[09:50] <MadLamb> After some updates yesterday, one of the keys on my keyboard started behaving weirdly. Its like its locked, but if I press it for lets say 30 seconds it starts working normally. I am thinking this is software related, but could also be hardware. Can someone help me to confirm?
[09:50] <jpds> MadLamb: Boot into a LiveCD, if it happens there, it's hardware related
[09:51] <MadLamb> jpds, I would have done that, but dont have a pendrive atm, will need to buy one.
[09:51] <MadLamb> jpds, another option?
[09:51] <jpds> MadLamb: It's the quickest way to confirm it
[09:52] <MadLamb> jpds, when you have the pendrive yes
[09:52] <jpds> MadLamb: It's unlikely that we have your exact keyboard + software versions installed
[09:52] <MadLamb> jpds, I can see that, but there should be a way to debug it no? probable causes?
[09:53] <jpds> MadLamb: Otherwise, you can look at /var/log/apt/history.log and look at downgrading the packages involved in the update
[09:53] <MadLamb> jpds, that is excellent advice
[09:55] <MadLamb> I can see conmon:amd64 (2.0.20~1, automatic)
[09:56] <jpds> Which has nothing to do with keyboards
[09:56] <jpds> So I suspect it's a hardware issue
[09:56] <MadLamb> I also have this very weird behavior when I open the on screen keyboard and press the same key
[09:57] <MadLamb> it freezes for a while and spits 20 times that key
[09:58] <MadLamb> when i do that, journalctl tells "gnome-shell[3355]: Window manager warning: Overwriting existing binding of keysym 31 with keysym 31 (keycode a)."
[09:58] <MadLamb> a bunch of time
[09:58] <MadLamb> times
[10:00] <MadLamb> caribou[87284]: daemon.vala:120: error in focus handler: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name org.gnome.Caribou.Keyboard was not provided by any .service files
[10:04] <MadLamb> the key that frezzes is "q", and I can type it now
[10:05] <MadLamb> :D
[10:31] <sub526> I have a file with multiple lines. I want to find a particular pattern in the file and then delete the rest of the line once that pattern finds.. I need to do this for entire file, is there a command to get this?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:29] <tomreyn> sub526: here's an example: sed --regexp-extended --in-place 's;(PATTERN).*$;\1;' path/to/file
[12:36] <Peanut> Hi, where could I find out why the 'csv2svn' package has been removed in Focal? It was included in Xenial and Bionic.
[12:42] <tomreyn> Peanut: i'd start at https://packages.ubuntu.com/cvs2svn confirm it's not in recent ubuntu releases, then click on the latest version (bionic), and notice it says "original maintainer" pointing to Debian. then i'd look at https://tracker.debian.org/cvs2svn and the "news" there
[12:42] <oerheks> cvs2svn perhaps?
[12:43] <tomreyn> ...where it then says "Removed 2.5.0-1 from unstable", and inspect that
[12:43] <Peanut> tomreyn: Awesome, thanks. I had gotten as far as the Ubuntu packages, but missed the step to Debian.
[12:44] <oerheks> depends on python2.7?
[12:45] <Peanut> Yes, seems to be a combination of 'requires python 2', and 'repository is gone'.
[13:05] <MikeRL> Anyone know what happened to the Wireguard PPA for Ubuntu on Launchpad? Went to update this morning and got an error saying there was no release file. Searched it up and nothing on Launchpad.
[13:06] <oerheks> indeed.. https://launchpad.net/~wireguard/+archive/ubuntu/wireguard
[13:07] <jpds> oerheks / MikeRL: The team page shows that the PPA has been removed for normal distro packages
[13:07] <oerheks> https://launchpad.net/wireguard-linux/+packages ?
[13:08] <jpds> https://launchpad.net/~wireguard
[13:08] <MikeRL> jpds, Thanks. But what do I do? The wireguard-dkms package I had from the PPA is newer.
[13:08] <jpds> MikeRL: Which release/kernel are you running?
[13:08] <tomreyn> which version do / did you have?
[13:09] <MikeRL> jpds, Ubuntu 20.04.1 with a 5.8 kernel.
[13:09] <jpds> MikeRL: Then you don't even need dkms
[13:09] <MikeRL> ?
[13:09] <jpds> MikeRL: WireGuard has been in the kernel itself since 5.4
[13:09] <MikeRL> When was dkms required?
[13:09] <jpds> MikeRL: Before that
[13:09] <MikeRL> Oh ok. So it's apt-purge time.
[13:10] <tomreyn> even ppa-purge
[13:11] <MikeRL> jpds, Installing the wireguard package also installs the dkms package. Should that be considered a bug on newer versions?
[13:11] <jpds> MikeRL: Stop using the PPA version :P
[13:11] <MikeRL> Actually you saying it's been in since 5.4 rings a bell.
[13:11] <jpds> All you need is wireguard-tools
[13:11] <MikeRL> Yeah but with the PPA gone, it still installs wireguard-dkms. Weird.
[13:12] <MikeRL> I actually removed the PPA when I noticed the error before posting here.
[13:16] <MikeRL> I also apt-purged all the packages after removing the PPA. Still insists on dkms.
[13:22] <BluesKaj> MikeRL, dkms is a separate package builder
[13:25] <MikeRL> BluesKaj, What does that mean exactly?
[13:26] <BluesKaj> MikeRL, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_Kernel_Module_Support
[13:26] <MikeRL> BluesKaj, Thanks.
[13:27] <MikeRL> Oh. I see now, I overthought things.
[13:27] <WaltS48> https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/78.3.2/releasenotes/
[13:27] <MikeRL> I honestly knew DKMS built things for the kernel.
[13:28] <MikeRL> Thanks guys for the info. Was helpful.
[13:28] <todo> hey yall need some help with firejail apparmor am trying to run youtube-dl via sudo aa-complain youtube-dl-gives profile for firejail usr/binfirejail not found-how do i create one?
[13:28] <MikeRL> So one less PPA for me to need to mess with. Good.
[13:28] <todo> is there a way around apparmor firejail to just let youtube-dl thru on a per command basis
[13:31] <todo> https://pastebin.com/Dj8sW4xJ here is a little more detail
[13:34] <conjo> lotuspsychje, hey man im sorry to single u out but i could really do with a hand if you can afford it please
[13:35] <conjo> https://pastebin.com/Dj8sW4xJ
[13:35] <lotuspsychje> conjo: throw your issue into the channel
[13:36] <conjo> hello again all can anyone help me to get aa and firejail to allow my program to runs please
[13:37] <conjo> :) trying man
[13:37]  * conjo thinks his rtfm too many times and is permanently insane
[13:37] <conjo> *he's
[13:40] <conjo> im trying to get program x to run from cli, error i get is this "Profile for /usr/bin/firejail not found, skipping" i have firejail and aa installed loaded running  https://pastebin.com/Dj8sW4xJ please help me
[13:41] <conjo> have tried sudo aa-complain youtube-dl, not working
[13:42] <lotuspsychje> conjo: https://linuxconfig.org/protect-your-system-run-your-browser-in-firejail can this help?
[13:44] <conjo> thanks lotuspsychje, its just that ive read 7 pages with more or less the same explained on ea page, problem being its just not sinking in
[13:44] <conjo> thanks ill have another read
[13:45] <lotuspsychje> conjo: the linuxconfig howto's are mostly pretty clean and nice explained
[13:49] <subcool> off topic chat?
[13:51] <lotuspsychje> !discuss | subcool
[13:51] <subcool> ty
[13:52] <conjo> ty lotuspsychje
[14:22] <conjo> how would i find out the full path of a program when i usually run it from the terminal eg vlc firefox?
[14:23] <xtao> which vlc
[14:23] <conjo> just a min while i check
[14:23] <xtao> as in that's what you type
[14:23] <xtao> that's not me asking you a question :)
[14:24] <conjo> 3.0.11.1
[14:24] <conjo> revision 3.0.11.1-0-g52483f3ca2
[14:24] <conjo> o shit lol
[14:25] <conjo> could kiss u xtao ty
[14:26]  * xtao runs away
[14:35] <random1> Any advice on how to block all USB ports on Ubuntu 20.04??
[14:35] <Peanut> Hot Glue?
[14:35] <random1> was looking more int a blacklist method ;)
[14:35] <random1> into*
[14:38] <lxusr50> random1, You could try changing permissions on your media directory...possibly
[14:39] <wedr> Question for Ubuntu 20.04. Is there a way to disable horizontal scrollbars from blocking the last list item from view and mouse click?  https://i.imgur.com/uw5TpTf.png
[14:39] <wedr> I'm using the default Gnome UI and default installation.
[14:40] <Peanut> random1: What are you exactly trying to block? All devices including mice/keyboards? Audio devices, mass storage, PTP, phones, Palm Pilot (I still have one of those...) ?
[14:40] <leftyfb> lxusr50: that will not prevent non-storage devices or manually mounting them elsewhere
[14:40] <lxusr50> Got ya...It was just a thought.
[14:43] <random1> I am only trying to block all USB ports peanut
[14:44] <random1> I have 3 usb ports on my laptop. I would like to block them from external threats.
[14:45] <lotuspsychje> random1: lock a user with chmod, dont share your admin pass
[14:45] <xtao> arn't some of the threats outside of the o/s? as in devices can directly affect the firmware on the USB controller and stuff
[14:46] <lxusr50> random1, Very hard to block a dedicated hacker that has access to your hardware.
[14:46] <xtao> i guess you can't just simply disable all USB in the o/s as a lot of the internal devices on the motherboard likely sit on the USB bus too
[14:47] <xtao> certainly on a laptop anyway
[14:47] <xtao> like trackpad etc
[14:48] <random1> Best I can do is bios password with encrypted hard drive. Next step is USB blacklist. Figured there would be a route to stop this. I have seen software on other distros that have a preinstalled program that easily blocks all USB plugs
[14:48] <random1> stopping anyone from plugging in a USB without first enabling it.
[14:49] <pavlos> random1: you can add "blacklist usb_storage" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[14:49] <random1> thank you pavlos. Let me try that out.
[14:50] <pavlos> random1: lsmod | grep usb shows modules loaded
[14:53] <random1> effective pavlos. I made the mistake of adding ID #'s and it didnt quite work the way I wanted it to. This was quite simple. I appreciate your guidance.
[14:53] <pavlos> random1: yw
[14:54] <random1> Would like to make a script for this. Would be rather simple I would imagine. Enable disable blacklist
[14:56] <tdmainiac> hi
[14:56] <luna_> hi
[14:56] <tdmainiac> i finally got this setup
[15:28] <donaldkbrown> What is the difference between the flatpak of Steam and the .deb version? I'm able to launch No Man's Sky through proton on flatpak but not .deb, but I can't get Hydroneer running through the flatpak version of Steam+proton even though it runs fine through the .deb version.
[15:29] <donaldkbrown> I really don't want to have to run two different versions of Steam, so I'm trying to nail down what's not working on one of them.
[15:34] <oerheks> flatpak .. interesting, we do support snap natively.
[15:35] <oerheks> find the flatpack maintainer?
[15:37] <donaldkbrown> As far as I know, Valve is the maintainer of both. I can reach out to them, but I've never gotten support.
[15:38] <donaldkbrown> I can't launch any Steam+proton games through the Snap version, though. And the Linux-native ones are slower in Snap than .deb.
[15:38] <donaldkbrown> I only get about 45 FPS in a game like Forager through Snap.
[15:39] <oerheks> the official way is steam tru apt, fast search learns there is no snap version on https://snapcraft.io/search?q=steam
[15:41] <donaldkbrown> Hm, been a while, maybe I wasn't using Snap at the time. It was back on 18.04 that I (thought) I tried it. Coming back to Ubuntu from Clear Linux now that 20.04 is out.
[15:42] <oerheks> flatpak, appimage, snap or deb, they should do the same, get the key and installer
[15:45] <Mat63> Hello
[15:47] <Mat63> How to run the scan from Ubuntu, only the printer works, I'm not interested?
[15:48] <conjo> huh?
[15:49] <donaldkbrown> Are you asking how to use a scanner?
[15:49] <conjo> simple scanner ubuntu software center
[15:49] <conjo> perhaps
[15:49] <Mat63> Can you help me in some way to run a scanner from Ubuntu (usb connection)?
[15:50] <donaldkbrown> Just install, as cojo said, the simple scanner from the software center.
[15:50] <conjo> if you open up the ubuntu software center and install simple scanner then reboot, then try scan a doc see if it works report back
[15:51] <Mat63> ok
[15:56] <Mat63> Very good, it works. Thank you, see you soon.
[15:58] <donaldkbrown> Alright, for some reason the version of steam installed through just `apt install steam` is different than that installed by flatpak or `apt install steam-installer`. If I use the regular `steam` package, I get a Steam_API error when launching No Man's Sky. If I use the `steam-installer` version, I can run all of my Steam+Proton games without issue.
[16:01] <oerheks> yeah right, there is no 'steam' package but steam-installer only
[16:02] <oerheks> there must be some flatpak confusion here
[16:03] <donaldkbrown> No, there is just a regular `steam` package.
[16:03] <donaldkbrown> https://pastebin.com/fZfyAQSE
[16:04] <nbusrone> May i know what does the kernal different in SMART reading on external hard disk ? why Windows able to read smart on WD passport external hard disk while ubuntu can't ?
[16:11] <ryan-c> I'm on ubuntu 20.04, trying to get my headphone jack to work on my desktop with intel hda sound. line out in the back and spdif both work
[16:11] <plujon> Is Ubuntu still releasing non-LTS versions?
[16:12] <lotuspsychje> plujon: yes every 9 months
[16:13] <ryan-c> been googling all afternoon
[16:13] <plujon> lotuspsychje: Thanks; and those on such usually do do-release-upgrade every 9 months or so?
[16:13] <pavlos> nbusrone: did you try the gnome-disks app? the smart data option is grayed out?
[16:14] <wedr> Ubuntu 20.04.1 bug where the text on the login page is too large is now fixed.   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mutter/+bug/1892440
[16:14] <lotuspsychje> plujon: the community has a lot of different users, its hard to generalize the way they use it, some do, others dont
[16:14] <wedr> Unless, this is not the bug affecting the login page?
[16:15] <plujon> lotuspsychje: Okay, thanks.  But one could keep doing that to stay up to date...
[16:15] <lotuspsychje> plujon: correct, you can jump to the next release before your current has gone eol
[16:15] <nbusrone> pavlos : The SMART is grey out and I try Gsmartcontol also the same issue.But in windows using crystalinfo i get all the SMART attributes .I wonder what is the different between both
[16:21] <lotuspsychje> wedr: the mutter bug should be fixed by now
[16:22] <wedr> yeah
[16:22] <wedr> lotuspsychje, I just don't know how to actually attempt the reproduction of the bug to verify if it works
[16:22] <wedr> without restarting the computer
[16:23] <lotuspsychje> wedr: why do you want to reproduce a fixed bug?
[16:34] <wedr> So I can personally verify it actually is fixed.
[16:35] <wedr> I have no idea how they reproduce the bug before the fix is released.
[16:56] <jwash> hi everyone, i may have made a mistake in the sense that i issued a database backup command without thinking about the size. can ext4 handle a 150-200Gb file?
[16:59] <demonspork> !ext4
[17:02] <demonspork> jwash: it supports single files up to 16TiB  according to the wikipedia article
[17:03] <jwash> woo
[17:03] <jwash> thank goodnes
[17:03] <plujon> Can a 32-bit ubuntu 18.04 system be updated to 20.04 ?
[17:04] <lotuspsychje> plujon: 18.04 is the last of the 32-bit saga
[17:05] <lotuspsychje> plujon: you can still use it till eol, and extend it with !ESM if you pay
[17:05] <plujon> I wonder what the [small] 32-bit world will use...
[17:06] <dan01> hi
[17:06] <plujon> I see that fedora dropped i686 as well.
[17:06] <dan01> Is it possible to automatically run a script after installation?
[17:07] <dan01> To install some packages, setup dns, etc.
[17:08] <lotuspsychje> dan01: are you on a desktop or server?
[17:08] <demonspork> dan01: https://help.ubuntu.com/lts/installation-guide/amd64/apbs02.html
[17:09] <demonspork> Preseed file is what you are looking for dan01
[17:16] <dan01> lotuspsychje: desktop
[17:19] <lotuspsychje> dan01: the packages install is easy to: sudo apt install package1 package2 package3 quickly
[17:20] <lotuspsychje> dan01: it all depends a bit what your endgoal is exactly, do you want to always automate the same on different machines? or just backup the same on your own system?
[17:21] <dan01> lotuspsychje: I want to create a script so that when I install Ubuntu on a machine it automatically installs a list of my favorite software and adds some ppas
[17:24] <ioria> dan01, i guess you need a custom ubuntu iso
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> dan01: or a backup image that suits you
[17:25] <dan01> ioria: yeah, but then the apps would be outdated... A post install script
[17:25] <lotuspsychje> !borg | dan01
[17:26] <ioria> dan01, probably, but usually you need anyways run update/uypgrade after you make an install
[17:28] <ioria> dan01, and when you'll do it, you'll upgrade also the added packages
[17:38] <Peanut> dan01: consider a configuration managment system like Ansible? That's how I do, for quite a lot of server.
[17:38] <Peanut> *duh* he left.
[17:41] <xbfrog> i know my GPU is capable of higher resolution than Ubuntu sets as the maximum. is the maximum video resolution controlled in the Kernel?
[17:41] <xbfrog> i have contacted matrox they issued the last update for graphics but said they dont offer any support
[17:42] <xbfrog> the matrox box i have has no gpu it takes the video given by my system and splits it across the three
[17:43] <xbfrog> my resolution max in the gpu of the laptop is 4096x2304
[17:43] <xbfrog> the matrox box supports a max of; 5760x1080
[17:45] <benharri> borgmatic is lovely
[17:55] <gordie> Hello ! I got troubles trying to write a shell script to automate some commands. Could anyone help on this ? https://superuser.com/questions/1591517/my-shell-script-to-open-a-new-terminals-with-two-tabs-that-runs-npm-start-and
[18:05] <leftyfb> !mint | gordie
[19:15] <jpmiller25> EriC^^: hey idk if youre in here watching right now but I found a trick to solve the bootloader issue when installing on a USB drive -
[19:17] <jpmiller25> EriC^^: I've loaded the installer on a virtualbox with no hard disk, and gave it access to the usb3.0 drive, that way it installs the OS and bootloader on the only drive it sees :)  got it working now
[19:27] <ipatrol> I am tying myself in knots getting kpatch-dkms upgraded
[19:28] <Bashing-om> !info kpatch-dkms bionic
[19:29] <Bashing-om> !info kpatch-dkms focal
[19:30] <ipatrol> Bashing-om: yes, it's bionic
[19:30] <ipatrol> I'm trying to prepare for a release upgrade
[19:30] <tomreyn> from bionic to focal?
[19:30] <ipatrol> yes
[19:30] <tomreyn> ah, good to know
[19:31] <ipatrol> or whatever is the stable release
[19:31] <tomreyn> i guess the removal off focal can be related to the past removal off debian testing https://tracker.debian.org/news/953691/kpatch-removed-from-testing/
[19:31] <tomreyn> it's back in debian, but not in ubuntu
[19:32] <tomreyn> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/kpatch
[19:33] <tomreyn> maybe look for a ppa then
[19:34] <ipatrol> tomreyn: It should still be in Bionic's repo, no?
[19:35] <tomreyn> it is still in bionic's universe, yes. but you said you're preparing for upgrading to focal
[19:35] <tomreyn> or seemed to
[19:35] <ipatrol> I still need to upgrade every package to its latest for do-release-upgrade to work
[19:35] <ipatrol> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/8qJWTSznHD/
[19:38] <tomreyn> do you have an ubuntu support question?
[19:38] <ipatrol> yes, how do I get this package to upgrade so I can upgrade my distro version?
[19:39] <tomreyn> from Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to Ubuntu 20.04 LTS?
[19:39] <tomreyn> or something completely different?
[19:39] <Bashing-om> ipatrol: 5.3 kernel ? How does this play into ununtu ? out of tree ?
[19:40] <ipatrol> Bashing-om: what's the current kernel version for Bionic?
[19:40] <ipatrol> tomreyn: yes, LTS to LTS
[19:40] <tomreyn> 16.04 is also a supported LTS
[19:40] <tomreyn> you'll need to be more specific
[19:40] <ipatrol> Most recent LTS
[19:40] <Bashing-om> ipatrol: " 4.15.0.118.105 [security]: amd64 i386 ".
[19:40] <tomreyn> lsb_release -ds    says?
[19:41] <ipatrol> Ubuntu 19.10
[19:41] <tomreyn> thats not lts
[19:41] <ipatrol> Ok, my mistake
[19:41] <tomreyn> !19.10
[19:41] <leftyfb> ipatrol: since the package isn't available in focal and ppa's and their packages should be removed during an upgrade, you should just remove the package before upgrading and re-install it later
[19:42] <ipatrol> leftyfb: ok, done, that leaves the problem with ubuntu-advantage tools
[19:42] <benharri> quick question: i already posted this in #ubuntu-packaging but i haven't heard anything. i ran into some issues with this bug yesterday: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mailman3/+bug/1877701
[19:42] <benharri> is it possible to bet a newer upstream version of mailman3 in backports or should i look at migrating to a pip-based install of mailman3?
[19:43] <ipatrol> leftyfb, tomreyn: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/V4H5g4BmW6/
[19:44] <ipatrol> Yes, I know eoan is out of support, however I am trying to install focal, which is not.
[19:44] <tomreyn> !eolupgrade
[19:45] <tomreyn> you may need to carry out a debian style release upgrade to upgrade from this now unsupported source release
[19:46] <tomreyn> https://askubuntu.com/questions/91815/how-to-install-software-or-upgrade-from-an-old-unsupported-release
[19:47] <tomreyn> ipatrol: i take this back, eoan (19.10) packages are still available on archive.ubuntu.com, so you should still be able to carry uot an upgrade using do-release-upgrade
[19:48] <ipatrol> tomreyn: I'm at the "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade", which is the problem
[19:48] <tomreyn> see what leftyfb said
[19:49] <tomreyn> start with a    sudo dpkg --purge ubuntu-advantage-tools
[19:50] <ipatrol> tomreyn: yeah, I removed kpatch, but ubuntu-advantage-tools is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal
[19:50] <tomreyn> so you could remove ubuntu-minimal
[19:51] <ipatrol> won't that break the rest of the system?
[19:51] <tomreyn> no, its a meta package only
[19:51] <tomreyn> are your apt sources currently pointing to 19.10?
[19:51] <leftyfb> ipatrol: I have a feeling you have something very non-standard installed causing issues. Something python'y
[19:52] <tomreyn> yes, it'd unexpected that packages from main barf like this
[19:52] <leftyfb> ipatrol: try installing python3-cffi-backend
[19:53] <leftyfb> ipatrol: also: pastebin: apt-cache policy python3-cffi-backend ubuntu-advantage-tools
[19:53] <tomreyn> chnaces are you installed python modules globally via pip
[19:53] <tomreyn> or mixed python 2 / 3
[19:54] <leftyfb> ugh, pip
[19:54] <ipatrol> I cleared out the pip packages
[19:54] <ipatrol> No, the problem was virtualenvwrapper was held back
[19:55] <ipatrol> > Your python3 install is corrupted. Please fix the '/usr/bin/python3' symlink.
[19:55] <ipatrol> ???
[19:56] <leftyfb> ipatrol: ls -l /usr/bin/python3
[19:56] <ipatrol> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/cvPVZ67RTZ/
[19:57] <tomreyn> ipatrol: you will want to re-install ubuntu-minimal later before you do the do-release-upgrade. i just suggested removal for now to help you make apt happy. thanks to Bashing-om for pointing this out.
[19:58] <ipatrol> tomreyn: What do I need to fix with python to make the system happy now?
[19:58] <tomreyn> undo what you did to break it
[19:58] <tomreyn> a fresh installation can do wonders, too
[19:59] <ipatrol> What should it point to?
[20:00] <tomreyn> i'm not sure, packages.ubuntu.com doesn't list unsupported EOL releases
[20:00] <Bashing-om> ipatrol: I am on fully recently updated 20,04 -- and my python for reference " ls -al /usr/bin/python3 >> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Aug 11 14:41 /usr/bin/python3 -> python3.8 ".
[20:02] <ipatrol> Bashing-om: that's 20.04, I need to know what it linked to in 19
[20:02] <tomreyn> i think you mean 19.10
[20:02] <ipatrol> yeah, and it was 3.7
[20:04] <tomreyn> you can     sudo update-alternatives python3
[20:04] <tomreyn> and set it to that, or to the default
[20:04] <tomreyn> you can     sudo update-alternatives --config python3
[20:05] <tomreyn> ^ that rather
[20:05] <tomreyn> but i'm not sure this will solve all your python problems
[20:06] <ipatrol> Suggestion: give do-release-upgrade a mode where it can determine all the things that may block an upgrade in one go
[20:08] <Bashing-om> ipatrol: there is the " -s " switch to (S)imulate what the package manager will do .
[20:10] <ipatrol> not quite the same thing I don't think
[20:18] <ipatrol> ppa-purge is doing nothing, using Synaptic to clear them by hand
[20:20] <tomreyn> ppa-purge only works when apt doesn't quit with errors.
[20:20] <Peanut> Hi - is there neat way to reshape an array with alternating real and imaginary numers into one that's half the length consisting of complex numers? I'm currently using c=a[::2]+1j*a[1::2].
[20:21] <ipatrol> tomreyn: only thing it gave was a warning about the lack of a Release file in a repo. Shouldn't be an error though?
[20:21] <Peanut> Errr. apologies, this is not #python, wrong channel!
[20:22] <tomreyn> ipatrol: i think this comes with an "E:" in front, indicating error, or a follow-up message does.
[20:22] <ipatrol> yes, it does
[20:23] <ipatrol> "Warning:  apt-get update failed for some reason" is kinda non-indicative. A warning usually doesn't mean the command failed.
[20:23] <tomreyn> usually this is accompanied by another message
[20:23] <ipatrol> Nope, that was the last line
[20:24] <tomreyn> but there probably were other lines, too?
[20:24] <ipatrol> No, just those two
[20:25] <tomreyn> well the other is an error, and then the final message points out "make sure you thorughly read the full output, something is wrong"
[20:25] <ipatrol> Ok, but I think describing a failure as a warning is bad UI, no?
[20:26] <tomreyn> maybe. and while you could file bugs about EOL releases, i don't think it will serve a purpose
[20:27] <ipatrol> !info ppa-purge focal
[20:28] <Bashing-om> !ppa-purge | ipatrol
[20:28] <ipatrol> no, I was just checking if the package still exists
[20:28] <ipatrol> I suspect that particular behavior hasn't changed though, but I'll check the source first if I do file a bug.
[20:32] <ipatrol> netsplit!
[20:33] <ipatrol> 2020-10-07 16:31:24,812 ERROR Dist-upgrade failed: 'The package 'postgresql-10-postgis-2.4' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.'
[20:34] <ipatrol> What's a removal blacklist and how to I un-blacklist it?
[20:35] <tomreyn> a list of packages do-release-upgrade knows it should not remove, and i don't think you can easily remove it off the blacklist, nor that you want to
[20:35] <tomreyn> your system is most likely not in a good state to start a release upgrade, yet
[20:36] <ipatrol> Synaptic removed it perfectly cleanly
[20:37] <tomreyn> you could post this    sudo /bin/true && cat &>/tmp/aptlog < <(sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list} 2>&1; sudo apt-get -y update 2>&1; apt-cache policy 2>&1; sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade 2>&1;); nc termbin.com 9999 </tmp/aptlog && rm /tmp/aptlog
[20:38] <tomreyn> and, if your apt is currently happy, you could installapt-forktracer and post its output
[20:38] <tomreyn> this should help us help you prepare for a proper release upgrade
[20:39] <ipatrol> I don't run strange lines including netcat. Plus, they might not get through my network in the first place.
[20:40] <tomreyn> you can just omit the last part and just inspect /tmp/aptlog and share it if you feel like it
[20:41] <tomreyn> or run those single commands individually:    sudo grep -hEv '^([ ]*#.*)?$' /etc/apt/sources.list{,.d/*.list}        sudo apt-get -y update      apt-cache policy       sudo apt-get -syV full-upgrade
[20:42] <ipatrol> No, I got through it by just manually removing them, since there were no depends on them
[20:42] <tomreyn> -s to apt-get simulates
[20:42] <tomreyn> alright, good luck
[20:43] <ipatrol> yeah, it's downloading the upgrades now
[20:44] <ipatrol> (also had to mount the EFI, which I normally don't to avoid accidentally breaking stuff)
[21:01] <MacGregor> In the Files app in Ubuntu 20.04, how do I get a textbox into which I can type a location? I would rather double-clicking down into a folder tree.
[21:02] <jpds> Ctrl+L
[21:03] <MacGregor> jpds: Thank you that works perfectly. Any way to have that textbox be permanent?
[21:03] <jpds> MacGregor: Not that I know of
[21:03] <MacGregor> jpds: Ok, thank you for the help.. much appreciated
[21:06] <MacGregor> Well, I must say, there is nothing left to do except enjoy the computer. I'm quite impressed with Ubuntu 20.04
[21:12] <Bashing-om> MacGregor: My prejudice showing: try (x)ubuntu 20.04 :D
[21:13] <MacGregor> Bashing-om: Not a fan of XFCE
[21:14] <Bashing-om> MacGregor: :D - why we do have choice .
[21:14] <MacGregor> Bashing-om: Indeed, choice is a great thing :)
[21:15] <boredguy> Choice of themes or choice of os?
[21:16] <Bashing-om> boredguy: My take: the kernel is the kernel is the kernel - what you lay on top is your choice.
[21:18] <boredguy> Everything is based on English,C,C++ and Unix-like concepts though
[21:18] <boredguy> Was hoping another country might pitch in with their own implementation
[21:19] <MacGregor> Bashing-om: That's an excellent way of puttin git
[21:39] <chzhy> say
[23:27] <plujon> dpkg-query --list # shows many linux-modules; is there an easy way to remove ones I don't need?
[23:28] <blahboybaz> I am not able to connect my phone to my laptop (ubuntu 18.04 lts).  This: https://www.quora.com/My-Moto-E2-is-not-connecting-to-my-PC-via-a-USB-cable-The-cable-is-fine-What-should-I-do  Talks about installing drivers and a link: https://support.motorola.com/us/en/solution/MS88481  given in that post for drivers does not seem to have them for linux. What is the source of the problem? How can I fix it? And, is there a simpler /
[23:28] <blahboybaz> simple workaround (perhaps something on the command line to connect the device)?
[23:29] <jeremy31> plujon: > sudo apt autoremove
[23:29] <blahboybaz> it is a cheap motorola moto e with android 9
[23:29] <plujon> jeremy31: Thanks, but that doesn't remove them.
[23:30] <jeremy31> blahboybaz: what are you trying to do with the phone?
[23:30] <blahboybaz> jeremy31: mount it so I can transfer files
[23:31] <jeremy31> blahboybaz: you may have to check notifications on the phone and switch from charge only to MTP mode
[23:31] <blahboybaz> The phone's display indicates it is charging when I plug it in via usb but the laptop / operating system does not give a promp about it being mounted / available
[23:31] <blahboybaz> jeremy31: Don't know where to find that
[23:32] <blahboybaz> jeremy31: I do get notifacation display on my home screen when locked but no notification about that appears
[23:33] <jeremy31> blahboybaz: after plugging the phone into the USB connected to computer, drag from the top of the phone display down, there should be a notification about phone connected to USB, click to change
[23:33] <blahboybaz> jeremy31: I will attempt it
[23:34] <blahboybaz> jeremy31: Yeah, there just isn't a notifacation about that appearing. ( only the other stuff that was alread there).