[03:53] <IrcsomeBot1> Robert K was added by: Robert K
[03:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Hey everyone!
[03:55] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I'm fairly new to Linux (I dabbled years ago).  Is it safe for me to join the beta or would you suggest I stick with the current version?
[04:08] <robertk> Hey Everyone!
[04:09] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Didn't know the Telegram and IRC were connected.
[04:11] <robertk> Hey recybery
[04:31] <IrcsomeBot1> Louis Grundy was added by: Louis Grundy
[04:38] <robertk> Hey Louis Grundy
 Sup
[05:13] <valorie> Robert K I'm running the beta right now, but it's beta
[05:14] <valorie> I would start with 20.04 and upgrade when 20.10 if you want
[05:19] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I'm in 20.04 now.  Tried to add the Neon PPA's but get an error.  On the Kubuntu site it says the update to 20.10 won't happen until it has Qt.5.12.
[05:20] <valorie> it will happen on release day
[05:20] <valorie> !groovy
[05:21] <valorie> adding the neon PPAs is not likely to work
[05:21] <valorie> if you want neon, install neon
[05:21] <valorie> you can always do it in a VM
[05:22] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Ok so I'll stay with 20.04 until later this month.  No I heard Neon isn't stable.
[05:23] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I'm running on an FX processor that won't let me run a VM, can only run Via software and the new processors have VM capabilities built in.  I've tried with Linux and Windows with no luck.
[05:24] <valorie> there is a stable version and an unstable
[05:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I can wait.  I like Kubuntu.  Just thought I'd try the newer version if it was safe to.
[05:25] <valorie> it's safe, but not very stable right now
[05:25] <valorie> for instance, closing zoom crashed my whole system a couple of hours ago
[05:26] <valorie> first time I've used zoom and I'm not planning to do THAT again
[05:26] <valorie> ick
[05:26] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> That's what I meant stable...not safe like it'll ruin my computer.  I never use zoom.
[05:27] <valorie> I have used it in the browser before
[05:27] <valorie> it's ... ok
[05:27] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I used it once for a virtual funeral.  I use Discord and Skype.
[05:28] <valorie> I can't recall closing anything crashing my whole system since I left windows in .... 2001 or so
[05:28] <valorie> so I do blame zoom
[05:28] <valorie> but still
[05:28] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I was surprised that Kubuntu didn't have a Discord channel, Ubuntu Mate does.
[05:29] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I haven't had issues with Windows.  I'm trying Linux and enjoying it.
[05:30] <valorie> well, we have Telegram and Matrix
[05:30] <valorie> can't have everything....
[05:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Matrix?
[05:30] <valorie> discord doesn't even pretend to be libre software
[05:31] <valorie> tg sorta does
[05:31] <valorie> https://matrix.org/
[05:31] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I know, just didn't you could use Telegram like this and didn't know it can cook up to IRC.
[05:33] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Looks interesting.  I'll have to look into it more.
[05:55] <valorie> there is a discord <> matrix bridge
 Ok
[05:55] <valorie> so I guess it could be done
[05:56] <valorie> I don't think i'd like even more bridging, frankly
[05:56] <valorie> irc rules -- except on the phone
[05:56] <valorie> there i would prefer tg
 I love telegram but I use it a lot as well
[06:00] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> This is my first time using Telegram.  I've used Signal.
 Oh ok
[06:01] <valorie> signal for most everything, yes
[06:01] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Its similar
[06:01] <valorie> private stuff
 Ok
[06:01] <valorie> even phone calls
[06:01] <valorie> matrix can do calls as well, I hear
[06:02] <valorie> it didn't work well for me
[06:03] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I'll have to look into that.  I kept trying to get friends of mine to use Signal but only one did so I switched to Google Messenger.  I can text from my computer to everyone on my phone while Signal you can only message people who use Signal.
 @Robert K, Stay on leap version.
 If you are using your desktop for productivity.
[06:06] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I'm pretty new too.  I tried it many years ago and kept breaking it.  It's come a long way since.  I just started using it again about 2 weeks ago.  Been trying different distros.
[06:08] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I've been using Kubuntu for about 5 days and that's the longest I've stayed with a dristro. lol
 @Robert K, Yeah in those times, there were too many bugs. No codecs and driver available for users. I started using mandale distro in 2004.
 Mandrake distro*
[06:09] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I used Xandros and Suse
[06:10] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Before it became OpenSuse
[06:10] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I also tried Lindos for a short time.
 @Robert K, Cool
 @Robert K, Opens use is freeware and suse is payware.
 Opensuse*
 Suse is enterprise desktop.
[06:12] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I wanted to try Gecko but I game and hear Suse is horrible for gaming.
[06:13] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> So far I'm pretty happy with Kubuntu, its stable, fast and looks nice.
 Yeah suse is slower but very stable.
 I don't play games.
[06:17] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I tried Manjaro but Grub broke my Windows drive.
 Right now I am on opensuse 15.2
[06:18] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I liked Yast even back then.
 Use it for sales work on my leonovo miix 320 tablet.
[06:18] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> You work for Kubuntu..or on Kubuntu?
[06:20] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Just asking because you're in here but use Opensuse.  Or do you have Kubuntu on another computer?
[07:00] <lordievader> Good morning
 I was using kubuntu till last week.
[07:04] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> You switched because of work?  Or?
 Now I am on opensuse. Trying out the distro. I am looking for super stable distro for productivity.
[07:07] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Kubuntu and Ubuntu Mate are good, Linux Mint, MX Linux, Pop_OS.  Just don't try Arch, I hear it breaks.
 @Robert K, Arch works differently too .... It's normal. But I'm fine with Kubuntu
[07:23] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I just hear with Arch that you get updates every day and some updates break the OS.
 @Robert K, Any rolling release can have issues, that's like using the alpha and beta versions of the whole OS
 And if you don't have any major reason to use Kali, then use other distros and install the tools you need
[07:25] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I haven't heard much about OpenSuse tumbleweed.  I've used Solus and it's pretty stable.
 I have tried xubuntu, lubuntu, Ubuntu, kubuntu, openmandriva and lastly opensuse.
 @Empire201_Off, Yes, KDE + Ubuntu is a really good combo
 Kde is both light and feature rich.
[07:26] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I never heard of openmandriva
 Yes. Good op. System in Ubuntu! Debian based
 That is mandrake distro now renamed openmandriva.
[07:27] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> When I used Linux way back when KDE was a hog.  Now its lighter than most other DM's.  People still say its heavy until they try it and they're shocked how quick it is.
 I have had Elementary, Manjaro, Zorin OS lite, Mint, KDE Neon, Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, Linux fx, Pop OS, Ubuntu Budgie, that's it
 It was a French origin district just as suse is German origin
[07:27] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I never heard of mandrake.
 Used lot in French government offices.
 @Robert K, Kde was never a hog as compared to gnome.
 Gnome hangs my tablet. Kde is better. Xfce is lightest but feature poor.
 Xfce is made richer by distros like MX Linux and Manjaro
 I was admin of mandrake india user group.
 @sammy_v, damnn
[07:30] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I've tried Feren, Mint with Cinnamon, Mint with Mate, Ubuntu, Ubuntu with Mate, Kubuntu, Lubuntu, MX, Peppermint, Sparky, Pop OS, Bodhi Linux, Fedora...I think that's it. lol
 Seems like most of us mostly stayed in the Ubuntu family
 Omg u have tried so many of them.
 @therealriganb, Nothing wrong if it works for you.
[07:32] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I like Kubuntu, Ubuntu Mate and Mint the best.
[07:33] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Zorin was good but a little slow with my heardware.  Pop I liked but had issues with the store.
[07:36] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I liked Solus, its fast, but its it's own distro, so if it doesn't have an app you need you're stuck.
 @Robert K, To be honest, I didn't ever like the GUI of Zorin, I know it's there for windows users to have an easy switch, but I'd still say Kubuntu and Linux Mint are better choices
 @Robert K, I am thinking of trying it, will check the repos beforehand, since I don't have much uses anyway
[07:39] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> That's why I'm using Kubuntu :) They have their own repos.
 And I'm about to try MX now
[07:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Which, Xfce or KDE?
[07:40] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> The thing about MX is the KDE version only used KDE 5.17 so it was older.
[07:41] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> If you look in their software center you can install a bunch of DE's.  They also use Debian repos and Flatpack.
[07:43] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> If you want snaps you have to reboot and in Grub there is a (I think its called advanced) and it lets you login with systemd.
 @Robert K, Xfce one
[07:44] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> both
[07:44] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Oh ok
[07:44] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Misread
 Ik
[07:44] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I don't remember which version of Xfce it used.
 @Robert K, No tbh I don't like desktop environment hopping, cause it makes the system feel bloated with duplicate software
 I'll better set up dual boots with external hard drives
[07:45] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> You can also delete the ones you don't like.
[07:46] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> But you're right
 @Robert K, Yess but that sometimes causes issues with particular DE's, previously when I installed KDE on Pop it worked really well out of the box, but since the last 2 times it's giving me nightmares
[07:47] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I used Mint with Cinnamon and then installed Mate and it didn't run as well when I downloaded it with just Mate plus it didn't have a few things.
[07:48] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> With Gnome there is a WM called Material Shell that's I hear is really nice.  I saw some videos of it and its cool.
 @Robert K, I have seen Titus talk about it briefly too
 Chris Titus Tech, the youtuber
[07:51] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> I've heard of him.  I think I saw his video with it and Tyler
 His channels are among my fav ones for Linux
[07:52] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Yeah, but Chris Titus looks like a guy I knew that I stopped being friends.
 @Robert K, Big oof 😂
[07:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> lol
[07:53] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> But he does have good content.
[08:48] <eeos> Hi everybody! I am trying to share a folder on the local linux network with a local windows computer using samba .... the windows computers on the network do not see it.
[09:00] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Hey eeos.  Wish I could help but never used Samba.  Have you checked YouTube and Google?
[09:08] <eeos> Yes, I did .... this is my last resort.
 Brooo wait
 You tried nitroshare? Idk what samba is but seems like your work would happily be done with software like nitroshare
[09:35] <eeos> thank you! I will go back and try with nitroshare
[10:07] <dogm> hi
[11:26] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:12] <icerulez> Hello everyone
[13:13] <icerulez> it's osman from turkey * istanbul
[13:13] <icerulez> i have some questions for kubuntu before installation
[13:13] <icerulez> can i ask some technical questions to anyone ?
[13:14] <icerulez> @everyone
[13:14] <icerulez> hello ??
[13:16] <BluesKaj> icerulez, good ahead and ask  :-)
[13:16] <icerulez> oh finally
[13:16] <icerulez> thank u
[13:16] <icerulez> i'm using lenovo e595 thinkpad which has ryzen 5 3500U and vega 8 graphics embedded.
[13:16] <icerulez> will i have any problems about that ?
[13:16] <icerulez> i mean graphic driver
[13:17] <icerulez> and my trakpad can dedect multifinger touch and i'm currently using it like sweep with 3 fingertips etc
[13:17] <icerulez> can i use it on kubuntu like i do on win 10
[13:30] <e-patrick> icerulez, it's been a while since I last used kubuntu on a notebook, but I remember being impressed with what was possible.
[13:30] <e-patrick> What about dowloading the current version and insted of installing it directly, have a look at the live system?
[13:31] <e-patrick> This will not modify anythin on your PC, so you can easily return to what you have now by just rebooting.
[13:32] <e-patrick> And you can see how well your graphics chip is supported and what the trakpad does (or does not.
[13:36] <e-patrick> icerulez, did you see my last few lines about trying the live system? Just noted that you were disconnected.
[13:37] <icerulez> yeah i have to restart i just overclocked my display 60 hz to 64
[13:37] <icerulez> i couldn't see your lines am sorry
[13:37] <icerulez> i think im missed
[13:37] <e-patrick> OK, here you go: What about dowloading the current version and insted of installing it directly, have a look at the live system?
[13:37] <e-patrick> This will not modify anythin on your PC, so you can easily return to what you have now by just rebooting.
[13:38] <e-patrick> And you can see how well your graphics chip is supported and what the trakpad does (or does not.
[13:39] <icerulez> hmm should i install virtual machine for that ?
[13:39] <icerulez> or can i try it with flash driver without installation ?
[13:39] <e-patrick> I'd rather not, because you want to see how kubuntu interacts with your hardware and not with the virtual machine.
[13:40] <icerulez> hmm
[13:40] <icerulez> so how can i try this
[13:40] <icerulez> without installation ?
[13:40] <e-patrick> If you boot from the installation media, you will have choice between "install kubuntu" and "try kubuntu".
[13:40] <icerulez> oh perfect
[13:41] <icerulez> but when i click try kubuntu will it loads all drivers?
[13:42] <e-patrick> Well, at least the stock kubuntu drivers. There may be binary drivers from the hardware manufacturers which are not included on the installation media.
[13:42] <icerulez> :(((
[13:42] <icerulez> i remember 3-4 years ago i try linux distros side to my windows
[13:42] <icerulez> if i get some error i switch to windows and delete the linux completely
[13:42] <e-patrick> So what you get in the live system is the "worst case" - things may become better after installing and downloading proprietary drivers, but not worse.
[13:43] <icerulez> i think i were used easy bcd software
[13:43] <icerulez> so i just want to do this actually
 @sammy_v, That's pretty cool
[13:43] <icerulez> try few distros and if it's good it will keep going
[13:43] <icerulez> i were thinking kde neon or kubuntu but kubuntu looks more stable
[13:43] <icerulez> i'm not pro
[13:44] <e-patrick> Yes, if you feel more comfortable with it, then this is the right way for you. I always felt the live systems are more secure and easy to use because they do not change anything on my PC.
[13:44] <e-patrick> If one is OK at first glance, I'd try installing it side by side.
[13:45] <e-patrick> Sorry, got to go now...
[13:48] <icerulez> oh thank u very much
[13:51] <IrcsomeBot1> AndyKG was added by: AndyKG
 Hello everyone
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/6xqx0DTq/file_37279.jpg Was using my laptop with Kubuntu absolutely perfectly then it suddenly became sluggish so I closed everything running and rebooted now this.
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/FCcyk6yf/file_37280.jpg
 @AndyKG, Try booting default kernel or recovery kernel option in grub bootloader.
 Remove any external USB drives when rebooting.
 Once you have successfully rebooted, edit grub settings  to "not search for new os during each boot".
 @sammy_v, Thanks but I fixed it by booting the USB installer and running "check" on my system partition  from kde partition manager.
 Lastly perform file system check.
 Also you can unselect removable drive automount on boot option in settings.
[15:41] <icerulez> hi
[15:43] <icerulez> what is the mean iso and DD file mean ?
[15:43] <icerulez> now i downloaded kubuntu iso and writing that to my flash
[15:43] <icerulez> it says something like this
[15:44] <user|17674> Helloo👋🏼
[15:44] <user|17674> I have Kubuntu 20.04 and 3 Thunderbolt port but they didn't work
[15:45] <icerulez> wow :(
[15:45] <icerulez> that's bad news for u
[15:45] <user|17674> I open the app thunderbolt but they saw nothing
[15:45] <user|17674> I found nothing on internet except it's maybe in the bios
[15:46] <user|17674> So I'm actually in the bios and search for help please :)
[15:48] <user|17674> If someone here know how to fix that aha
 @user|17674, Maybe you must choose usb to boot first
[17:15] <reno> Hello everyone
[17:16] <reno> wondering if someone can help me understand a strange behaviour on my KDE when searchig file and getting list of the same file
[17:35] <IrcsomeBot1> <Robert K> Are you searching through Dolphin or Krunner?  List of same file?  I don't think that's ever happened to me.
[17:56] <IrcsomeBot1> Abella McQueen was added by: Abella McQueen
[18:23] <IrcsomeBot1> SharGen19 was added by: SharGen19
[18:41] <ciro_> ?
[19:18] <shepherd_> Hi I just installed kubuntu on a tablet and was hoping there were gestures for the touchscreen? like regular finger scrolling in webbrowser instead of having to pinpoint down on the scrollbar
[19:19] <shepherd_> Does this exist? thanks a lot!
[19:38] <valorie> shepherd_: I have a touchscreen laptop and I think that depends on the application
[19:38] <valorie> usually scrolling works well
[19:38] <valorie> unsure about tablets tho
[19:40] <shepherd_> Hmm, the touch precision is great, but its not reacting when I try any sort of gestures. im looking through settings and doing some googling
[20:03] <kirvesAxe> I'm trying to find a way to totally disable the touch screen on my laptop, but only settings I found were some kind of gesture settings :)
[20:05] <shepherd_> It's single touch, thats why double finger scrolling and whatnot are not supported on my tablet.
 So...is anybody from developers here?
 First I'm glad to say that the software manager was fixed...thanks! Now the Discover is ok.
 But the next problem is the PalyonLinux
 ...if I started it after few seconds 5-7 sec the system freezing...and goes out...nothing happend...u know it's looks like it's off
 I'm very sad...I can't test the playOnLinux now...;((
 Why it's happend I don't know...Wine started but in CMD mode...only.
 ...so, let's go back to PonL(play on Linux)...if u try to scroll the software list(doesn't matter what category) it's freezing...and after 5 sec KUbuntu freezing too
 ... please check it and fix that bug. Thanks
[20:29] <valorie> @GalantGTR -- what is the bug number
[20:29] <valorie> IRC is not the place to report bugs btw
 I can't report the bug because the system freezed
[20:30] <valorie> easiest way to report: in the commandline `ubuntu-bug play-on-linux`
 Keyboard is out mouse is out too
[20:30] <valorie> you can't get to a term?
[20:30] <valorie> ah
[20:31] <valorie> well, you'll have to hunt for play-on-linux on launchpad to report
[20:31] <valorie> bummer
 That's look like it's completely out...just freeze and finish
[20:31] <valorie> or report it after restart and then dig out the files the devels ask for
[20:32] <valorie> I'm saying report it NOW
 How to report it when I started the system again??
[20:32] <valorie> easiest way to report: in the commandline `ubuntu-bug play-on-linux`
[20:32] <valorie> you have a chance to tell about the problem
[20:32] <valorie> in the actual bug report
 Wait...in the Konsole? Just type that???
[20:35] <valorie> copy paste, yes
[20:35] <valorie> without the ticks
[20:35] <valorie> !info play-on-linux
[20:35] <valorie> !info playonlinux
[20:35] <valorie> ok, I had the spelling wrong
[20:36] <valorie> ubuntu-bug playonlinux
 Report is on the way
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/OJdiI0Fc/file_37303.jpg
 Looks good...😊👍
 (Video, 34s)https://irc-attachments.kde.org/32OHTxir/file_37304.mp4
 Maybe anybody could send a report about that problem...because I'm not sure that the developers understand what I had write them...😞
 Hello all
[22:53] <james4trek> May I ask questions about Kubuntu 18.04 LTS?
[22:55] <james4trek> I hope that's a "Yes."
[22:56] <james4trek> Has anyone run into this?: when I open up the file explorer (Dolphin), usually drives labels appear that may be mounted by clicking on them (assuming it already hadn't been mounted somehow automatically before). Sometimes this is actually a removable device I had inserted into a USB port.
[22:56] <tomreyn> james4trek: as long as it's about kubuntu support, you're always welcome to just go ahead and ask.
[22:57] <tomreyn> (i won't be able to answer kubuntu GUI questions)
[22:57] <james4trek> What has recently today started happening is when I insert the USB device into the port, nothing happens, not even a "recent devices" mention. It does, however, appear in dmesg, and can mount normally with command line. I'm wondering, why would this happen?
[22:59] <james4trek> Ah, sorry to be a bother then. My next question was," How to install/find a program that can format a USB device from the GUI." I've used Linux for many years, but Kubuntu is nice, and KDE is like an old friend I met at the train station in Kubuntu.
[23:00] <james4trek> Maybe I'll try GPartEd, but I was hoping Kubuntu had a utility similar to M$ Windows in some way, shape, or form.
[23:10] <Dragnslcr> james4trek- KDE's partition manager should be able to do it
[23:10] <james4trek> Apparently I changed the QML file for my Network Monitor readout which read (incorrectly) in Kilo-/Mega-bits, when I wanted Mega-Bytes & Kilo-Bytes per second, and now it read even more wrong. Can anyone tell me which file it was I changed?
[23:11] <Dragnslcr> !info partitionmanager
[23:11] <james4trek> @Dragnslcr Do you know an easy way to change the label on a device (like, it's name)?
[23:12] <Dragnslcr> Looks like Partition Manager can set labels
[23:13] <james4trek> aw sweet
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> If you need to use a terminal, e2label does it for ext2/3/4 file systems
[23:16] <Dragnslcr> Keep in mind that labels are a property of the file system on a partition, not the partition itself
[23:18] <james4trek> Hm, GPartEd didn't support fat32 label; this worked:
[23:18] <james4trek> `sudo fatlabel /dev/sdi1 8GIGWONDER`
[23:19] <james4trek> Thanks, Dragon Slicer.
[23:20] <Dragnslcr> No problem