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 Hello everyone
 I guess I’m gonna have to buy a device of the approved list what are y’all think about the nexus 6P
 Or the Nexus 5,  I’m sad the Nexus 5x is not on the list, any advice would be greatly appreciated. I’d like to keep the used cost of a device under $100
 @geekyneo [Hi. Were you able to install UT on OnePlus 3/3T ? I faced the same issue for mor …], try all the cache clearing and format options in recovery
 also join the install room, we have people there to help debug/walk through the process: https://t.me/WelcomePlus
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 @Tech_Mahn [I guess I’m gonna have to buy a device of the approved list what are y’all think …], Its more the supported list than approved list, the nexus 5x for example is notoriously hard to port, that why hasn't made on that list so far … Nexus 5 is one of the most popular while the 6p was just recently added to the list
 @mateosalta [try all the cache clearing and format options in recovery], I did try all the options in the recovery... … I'll join the install group...👍🙏😊
 @Fuseteam hi, this is John Harvey, I'm on my phone now, I understand what your saying, so is the Nexus 6p a good device to choose? Nexus 5 is such a little phone.
 @anonymous_kodachi [@Fuseteam hi, this is John Harvey, I'm on my phone now, I understand what your s …], Best choise in my opinion is OnePlus 3 or 3T.
 Finally mmade the switch to UBPorts, my N5 just came in the mail.
 @liamolua [Finally mmade the switch to UBPorts, my N5 just came in the mail.], 🚀
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 OnePlus, okay
 @Tech_Mahn [I guess I’m gonna have to buy a device of the approved list what are y’all think …], As I ported the Nexus 6P be aware that a few things are not working right now, its mostly hotspot, speakerphone, and camera being a bit wonky. Also fingerprint reader is not supported by UT for 7.1 based devices right now.
 I’ve decided I’m going to buy a OnePlus 3T
 This is Willard Spivens
 This is my iPhone
 @Flohack [As I ported the Nexus 6P be aware that a few things are not working right now, i …], Good to hear N6P is still under dev. :)
 @liamolua [Good to hear N6P is still under dev. :)], Yeah it went a real long but good way. The only things not working, I just looked now, are: … * Camera: Video … * Cellular: Change audio routings (Speakerphone) … * GPU: Video acceleration … * Network: Hotspot … * USB: ADB access
 @Tech_Mahn [I’ve decided I’m going to buy a OnePlus 3T], Good choice:)
 @Flohack [Yeah it went a real long but good way. The only things not working, I just looke …], Thats awesome! Any chance on getting those working or they completely borked?
 @Flohack [Yeah it went a real long but good way. The only things not working, I just looke …], Thank you
 @liamolua [Thats awesome! Any chance on getting those working or they completely borked?], Well Hotspot is a general problem on the Halium ports now, but I assume we get it going. The thing with the speakerphone is strange, but also should be solveable. Whats with GPU decoding acceleration idk ^^
 Sounds possitive. Hope the best happens, id give a hand but my N6P has died finally :(.  Great device, would be awesome for it to be 100%.
 Whats everyone's goto face book client? So many on here, lol
 @liamolua [Whats everyone's goto face book client? So many on here, lol], Sailorbook ^^
 @Flohack [Sailorbook ^^], Ill give it a try, cheers :)
 @Tech_Mahn [Or the Nexus 5,  I’m sad the Nexus 5x is not on the list, any advice would be gr …], 5x had bootloop issues afaik
 @liamolua [Whats everyone's goto face book client? So many on here, lol], My favorite client is DeleteFace:)
 Gnight guys
 @demone011 Ill give it a go if Sailorbook doesn't work out. :) … @flohack does sailorbook have notifications (mostly for messages). Id assume so but the last client didn't seem to.
 @demone011 [My favorite client is DeleteFace:)], Hang on, was that a clever joke, lmao
 @liamolua [@demone011 Ill give it a go if Sailorbook doesn't work out. :) … @flohack does sa …], Hmm you wont get anything if the App is not focused, no
 But thats a general problem of UT
 Bugger
 We have to re-think that architecture, its a major roadblock for many, yes.
 Aaah, why is that? Whats causing UT not having push messages?
 It has push, but only via its own push protocol, and how you would explain Facebook to implement it for us ^^
 Ooooh, okay. Web browsers have notification control these days, couldn't the webpap just listen for face book notifications and then the webapp itself send the notification via ut push service or is that more complicated than that?
 @liamolua [Hang on, was that a clever joke, lmao], Hehe
 Yes web push could be done, but Apps are suspended in the background. So again that wont work all the time
 Is there big need for notifications? It is really annoying when phone make sound all the time.
 Yeah, I did find a video that suggested using ut tweak tool to disable suspention on chosen apps. … Shame on this but hopefully we can fjnd a way to make this simpiler (or UT just gets adopted enough by major companies). … @demone011 yeah I do need notifications (only really on my MSG apps). Just sometjing I'm gonna have to miss out on f
[07:35] <ubptgbot> or a little bit.
 [Edit] Yeah, I did find a video that suggested using ut tweak tool to disable suspention on chosen apps. … Shame on this but hopefully we can fjnd a way to make this simpiler (or UT just gets adopted enough by major companies). … @demone011 yeah I do need notifications (only really on my MSG apps). Just sometjing I'm gonna have to miss o
[07:35] <ubptgbot> ut on for now.
 Also when you say focused, @flohack do you mean the current apps displaying on the monitor or do you mean apps open in task manager?
 @liamolua [Also when you say focused, @flohack do you mean the current apps displaying on t …], Unfortunately means to be in the foreground and phone unlocked. All other states will suspend any APp, except it has a lifecycle exception as you described. But still, web push would need to be implemented somehow then
 @liamolua [Yeah, I did find a video that suggested using ut tweak tool to disable suspentio …], You will get used to it. It was hard for me to delete FB account, but now, 6 month later, I can't even understand why I hade it. SMS and call is all we need actually (even I complain about not existing sync on UT, but we don't need it actuall
[07:40] <ubptgbot> y).
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 Aaah true! This is a shame but hey, just a tiny issue which most likely will get fixed over time. As demone said, we'll all get use to it.
 So far my experience on UT has been great, although short haha
 @liamolua [So far my experience on UT has been great, although short haha], What device u use UT on?
 @demone011 [What device u use UT on?], Nexus 5, was going to get the 1+1 but was too expensive (at least over here in Australia) and I was also wanting to pre-order the Librem 5 anyways. … Did here that UT was being ported over to Librem 5 so that's exciting! 😄
 Wbu?
 @liamolua [Wbu?], N4 (had it since Canonical own project), N5 and OP3. Own two of each for parts:))
 @liamolua [Nexus 5, was going to get the 1+1 but was too expensive (at least over here in A …], I would like to get PinePhone one day.. It sounds like real "project phone" for thinkers (I is not me, I am end user)
 PinePhone looks super awesome but the hardware is a little low for daily use for my liking. Would be awesome to pick one up though. :)
 I'll never stop loving Nexus 5, but I got a 1+2 on the way. That was one of the best looking phones ever
 @liamolua [PinePhone looks super awesome but the hardware is a little low for daily use for …], I am writing to you on Nexus S with CyanogenMod. That is low hardware! But I works like a charm:) Same with N4. Old hardware, but UT works really good (android 8 too). Even better then on N5 I believe. So even I don't have Pine I by live it s
[08:11] <ubptgbot> hood work really nice, especially with a time as a work on it progress:)
 @wednesdayendless [I'll never stop loving Nexus 5, but I got a 1+2 on the way. That was one of the …], 1+ 2 or 1+ 3?
 OnePlus 2
 @wednesdayendless [OnePlus 2], It is good looking phone
 @demone011 [I am writing to you on Nexus S with CyanogenMod. That is low hardware! But I wor …], Thats awesome. Pinephone shiuld be heaps beafy for you then hahaha.
 @liamolua [Thats awesome. Pinephone shiuld be heaps beafy for you then hahaha.], I used to be skeptical like u, but I belive that UBports will do good work with it:)
 @liamolua [Thats awesome. Pinephone shiuld be heaps beafy for you then hahaha.], [Edit] I used to be skeptical like u, but I belive that UBports will do good work with it:) … How beefy phones need to be?
 My only gripe with even 2012-2014 era phones is the selfie cameras are usually deep fryers :p
 @wednesdayendless [My only gripe with even 2012-2014 era phones is the selfie cameras are usually d …], Delete social media (read Cal Newport and others on subject), and you will never again need selfie:)
 I know it's all poison, personal life is almost all FOSS - I keep up on social media just for work
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/teracube-2e-next-evolution-of-sustainable-phones?create_edit=true#/ … do any have noticed this indiegogo campaign?
 so it's a fairphone-like with MTK?
 i'd rather get a fairphone
 ... who have a support system, source their metals ethically, etc, etc ...
 did they kernel provide source code for first iteration?
 @demone011 [I am writing to you on Nexus S with CyanogenMod. That is low hardware! But I wor …], Wew cyanogenmod? How far behind are you with security updates?
 @PM5544 [https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/teracube-2e-next-evolution-of-sustainable-pho …], That looks interesting, but the price seems a little low, will probably be pretty bad specs
 @joeth [That looks interesting, but the price seems a little low, will probably be prett …], Mediatek with powervr
 Basically a horrible turdsandwhich with extra maggots
 @jja2000 [Mediatek with powervr], Oof mediatek, I doubt it'll get more than 1 major OS upgrade
 @joeth [That looks interesting, but the price seems a little low, will probably be prett …], if this Phone is bad, then pinephone is sh*t
 @joeth [Oof mediatek, I doubt it'll get more than 1 major OS upgrade], And it'll never get Mainline Linux
 I guess the SOC will not be made of recycled materials 😂
 @PM5544 [if this Phone is bad, then pinephone is sh*t], One will outlast the other purely because of hardware choices
 as it uses the grand old allwinner a64, which fab is still 2 generation behind
 @jja2000 [One will outlast the other purely because of hardware choices], +1
 @PM5544 [as it uses the grand old allwinner a64, which fab is still 2 generation behind], Doesn't matter if it functions well
 I would've liked to see a die shrink though, I'll give you that
 But atm pine64 pay less than 5$ per a64 atm
 [Edit] But atm pine64 pays less than 5$ per a64 atm
 [Edit] But atm pine64 pays less than 5$ per a64
 I'm afraid that would increase
 @jja2000 [Doesn't matter if it functions well], true, at least pinephone is the only choice for native support on the market
 Librem 5 is a non-option sadly
 could've been much better
 @jja2000 [Doesn't matter if it functions well], [Edit] true, at least pinephone is the only choice for native support on the market currently, just a bit of mumbling to its desperate performance
 @jja2000 [But atm pine64 pays less than 5$ per a64], I still find that impressive
 @PM5544 [if this Phone is bad, then pinephone is sh*t], better sh*t than MTK!
 @gischpelino [better sh*t than MTK!], Yes
 @Tech_Mahn [I’ve decided I’m going to buy a OnePlus 3T], avoid the us A3000 model
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 Hi everybody, I was trying the convergence functionality on the Nexus 5, do you have any idea which kind of adapter is necessary? I have one but it seems not to work. thanks
 @joeth [Wew cyanogenmod? How far behind are you with security updates?], It deppends. What is threats I am facing?
 @demone011 [It deppends. What is threats I am facing?], Pretty sure there are some major exploits out there for older androids
 Hello, what about UT updates? Is it based on all phones at the same time? How is it numbered, as in Ubuntu? For example, 20.04? When was the Nexus 5 last updated? … Thanks
 @Alexi [Hi everybody, I was trying the convergence functionality on the Nexus 5, do you …], you should get a slimport adapter NOT MHL. Also, get the HDMI one, I think there are VGA ones but that those don't work on Nexus
 @Petr [Hello, what about UT updates? Is it based on all phones at the same time? How is …], UT's base is Ubuntu but it does not follow the same cycle as the normal Ubuntu. It's usually an LTS release and actually UT is still on 16.04 but there are plans to move to 20.04. Updates are named as OTA-X.
 @Javacookies thank you very much for your kind reply, do you know which other phones support convergence as well?
 Thanks a lot! So are those updates based on all supported devices?
 @Alexi [@Javacookies thank you very much for your kind reply, do you know which other ph …], Well Convergence is a broad word like what we always say here but if you mean external display support then it would be Nexus 4,5 and 7 (2013) for wired solution. I think Meizu Pro 5 has working wireless display but that isn't ideal for intera
[12:22] <ubptgbot> ctive use case.
 @Petr [Thanks a lot! So are those updates based on all supported devices?], Yes, they are for all supported devices, even old (legacy devices)
 @Petr [Thanks a lot! So are those updates based on all supported devices?], Yes most supported devices gets the same OTA but at the moment, Pinephone and Pinetab have their own OTA which may or may not be in sync with normal OTAs in terms of features and bug fixes.
 @Javacookies [Yes most supported devices gets the same OTA but at the moment, Pinephone and Pi …], it tells me something about the bootloader
 @joeth [Pretty sure there are some major exploits out there for older androids], Only thing they can get from phone is my contact list.
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 @Javacookies Many thanks for your answer.
 Is ubuntu port stable or is there still a bug on redmi note 7 (lavender)?
 @joeth [Oof mediatek, I doubt it'll get more than 1 major OS upgrade], So far performance of Volla Phone with UT seems very good, minus a few bugs in things such as camera (e.g. no zoom) that are being worked on now, and there is no particular barrier to it receiving forward updates for UT.
 @TotalSonic [So far performance of Volla Phone with UT seems very good, minus a few bugs in t …], volla isn't mediatek is it?
 @joeth [volla isn't mediatek is it?], it is. MT6763
 @dohbee [it is. MT6763], oh, hmmm
 @joeth [volla isn't mediatek is it?], Yes, it has a Mediatek Helio P23, not a great chip relative to what are in the latest Android phones, but it performs decently with UT.
 (Voice, 0s) https://irc.ubports.com/kp9fKj0F.oga
 @TotalSonic [Yes, it has a Mediatek Helio P23, not a great chip relative to what are in the l …], When did UT ever get under UBports?
 Volla Phone is a rebranded Gigaset GS290 with some sleeker styling,  a larger 5000mAh battery, and OS support and development for a customized AOSP version, Sailfish OS, and Ubuntu Touch. Whether that is worth a little bit over the price of the Gigaset unit is up to the potential user - for myself the OS support warrants a premium I wa
[14:50] <ubptgbot> s happy to pay.
 @Petr [When did UT ever get under UBports?], April 2017, after Canonical dropped support and development of Unity, UT, and mobile devices.
 [Edit] Volla Phone is a rebranded Gigaset GS290 with some sleeker styling,  a larger 5000mAh battery, and OS support and development for a customized AOSP version, Sailfish OS, and Ubuntu Touch. Whether that is worth a little bit over the price of the Gigaset unit is up to the potential user - for myself the OS support warrants a premi
[14:52] <ubptgbot> um I was happy to pay in a pre-order.
 thanks
 Volla Phone's look makes me wonder if Ubuntu is running on the Moto G7? It is pretty universally ROM friendly
 do anyone uses meizu pro 5 and uses teleport freely?
 @PM5544 [do anyone uses meizu pro 5 and uses teleport freely?], Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) running post OTA13 RC channel.
 @TotalSonic [Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) run …], hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and other versions except the obsoleted non-teleport telegram
 @TotalSonic [Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) run …], [Edit] hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and other versions except the obsoleted non-teleport telegram native app
 @TotalSonic [Yes, typing this via Teleports on my Meizu Pro 5 (4gig 64gig TD-LTE version) run …], [Edit] hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and other teleport versions except the obsoleted non-teleport telegram native app
 @PM5544 [hmmm RC channel, idk why my intl 3GB 32 bit never works both RC and stable and o …], Maybe use UT Tweak Tool to clear cache and config for Teleports, and then reinstall?
 can be logged in and channel/group list are worked, but can't see and type any content except noticing ppl typing
 actually I tried a few months ago but once updated both OS and app, the situation, I guess can try it one more time though(haven't cleaning cache after updated OS)
 @PM5544 [can be logged in and channel/group list are worked, but can't see and type any c …], My Teleports got borked once after trying a beta version, had to reinstall UT to get things working with it again, hope you don't have to do all that.
 @TotalSonic [My Teleports got borked once after trying a beta version, had to reinstall UT to …], are you use it via a lte network or as a wifi only device?
 @PM5544 [are you use it via a lte network or as a wifi only device?], Both. And just realized I am using a beta version for 0.9 (version 0.8.02...) available from the UT QA Telegram group
 if need to reinstall, that's a bunch of pain though :S
 @PM5544 [if need to reinstall, that's a bunch of pain though :S], Yeah, not fun - try using UTTT first
 in any case I'll clear every thing related to teleport first
 @TotalSonic [Yeah, not fun - try using UTTT first], UTTT?
 @PM5544 [UTTT?], UT Tweak Tool
 @TotalSonic [UT Tweak Tool], I have that already, tried using this to hard reset my teleport several times(not today)
 @PM5544 [I have that already, tried using this to hard reset my teleport several times(no …], Hmmm, maybe @Flohack can suggest some other ways to troubleshoot.
 @TotalSonic [Hmmm, maybe @Flohack can suggest some other ways to troubleshoot.], No sorry, I never had it myself, it must be a very rare case of Db corruption or so
 nooooope still the same fate … have all the channel/list and latest comments but once enter any one of it, can't showing up any kind of content and no able to send msg at all
 then I guess I need to reset the whole system, shall I?
 @PM5544 [then I guess I need to reset the whole system, shall I?], no, reflashing probably won't help unless you've changed something on the rootfs which might affect thigns
 @PM5544 [then I guess I need to reset the whole system, shall I?], [Edit] no, reflashing probably won't help unless you've changed something on the rootfs which might affect things
 @dohbee [no, reflashing probably won't help unless you've changed something on the rootfs …], have any method can change rootfs back to initial state?
 @PM5544 [have any method can change rootfs back to initial state?], have you changed it? you don't need to wipe all your data, just reinstall UT making sure you are NOT wiping the data; or you can just switch channels in system settings, and it will do a full flash
 @dohbee [have you changed it? you don't need to wipe all your data, just reinstall UT mak …], recently updated to ota13 stable, before that is rc channel(since Aug)
 does this action treated as a reinstall?
 @PM5544 [recently updated to ota13 stable, before that is rc channel(since Aug)], if you haven't made the rootfs rw and done things that might break it, then reflashing probably won't change anything
 it's maybe an issue with teleports
 does telegram webapp instead work ok?
 @PM5544 [nooooope still the same fate … have all the channel/list and latest comments but o …], We have reports that this is a temporary thing, and seems to be a problem of tdlib and Telegram servers playing not nicely together. Reinstall therefore wont help much. It also seems to go away by itself again. Anything in the log file?
 works fine but depends on the variations in openstore, some works fine but with a weird file selection screen and some can't even reached the login token inputing stage
 @Flohack [We have reports that this is a temporary thing, and seems to be a problem of tdl …], can I PM you?
 The log file?
 [Edit] works fine but depends on the variations in openstore, some works fine but with a weird file selection screen and some can't even reached the login token inputing stage(and other users also claimed that)
 PM'd
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 Where I can get the last version?
 https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io links to the installer, which is how you can install UT on your device if supported, and choosing to install the `devel` channel will get you the "latest" version
 but otherwise i guess you will need to ask a more specific question
 @TotalSonic [Yes, it has a Mediatek Helio P23, not a great chip relative to what are in the l …], It's more about mediatek not publishing their sources, meaning it's a general trend that mediatek phones don't get more than 1 major software upgrade and no security patches
 @joeth [It's more about mediatek not publishing their sources, meaning it's a general tr …], excepted Nokia android phone which is MT6737 and get two major update...XD
 but it's buggy for new android OS.
 @joeth [It's more about mediatek not publishing their sources, meaning it's a general tr …], Apparently Volla has the cooperation of Gigaset, it seems to some extent allowing them greater insight than usual  towards driver blobs, and support life cycles for Ubuntu Touch on devices is much greater than what you get with Android. Anyway
[17:55] <ubptgbot> - you are correct that trying to unlock or port a Mediatek device is usually much more of a pain, and the chips are mediocre performers relative to other options on the market.
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 @TotalSonic [Apparently Volla has the cooperation of Gigaset, it seems to some extent allowin …], Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open source those blobs, Mediatek must agree and do so. Which, while ideal, I don't see happening, because of what/who Mediatek is
 @dohbee [Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open s …], Yup. But currently the Volla Phone seems to be working well with a customized AOSP version of Android 9, as well as with good performance on UT (minus quirks with camera and bluetooth, which happen with many other UT devices as well)
 sure. android is different from UT in that case. but the people working on halium 9 stuff and volla phone in particular for UT are doing a great job
 @dohbee [sure. android is different from UT in that case. but the people working on haliu …], yeah, very impressed with the rate of progress so far - they have received initial batches of hardware already, and currently are still on target to ship to those who pre-ordered in November. And their efforts in porting for UT seem to have he
[18:03] <ubptgbot> lped forward porting UT to many other Halium 9 devices too.
 I pre-ordered a Volla Phone in expectation that my current daily driver of a Meizu Pro 5, which is compatible in the USA with only HSPA/3G/2G, will need replacement when the carriers eliminate 3G support soon.  Being able to dual boot the Volla will ensure if the lack of VoLTE support in UT ever becomes a real issue that I can continue
[18:06] <ubptgbot>  to use my device for calls easily.
 does 4G on vollaphone even work in the US?
 @dohbee [does 4G on vollaphone even work in the US?], The Volla Phone supports GSM / 2G: 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz, UMTS / 3G: 900 / 2100 MHz, FDD / LTE / 4G: 800 / 850 / 900 / 1800 / 2100 / 2600 MHz.
 @dohbee [Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open s …], somehow wileyfox managed to publish device trees for their mediatek cyanogenOS devices back in the day, I miss wileyfox :(
 @joeth [somehow wileyfox managed to publish device trees for their mediatek cyanogenOS d …], anyway offtopic sorry
 @dohbee [does 4G on vollaphone even work in the US?], So - Volla should be able to use 850 (band 5) and 2100 (band 4) 4G LTE available from T-Mobile.
 @dohbee [Even so, Mediatek controls the IP, so if Volla/Gigaset want to be able to open s …], [Edit] somehow wileyfox managed to publish device trees and kernel sources for their mediatek cyanogenOS devices back in the day, I miss wileyfox :(
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 (Photo, 1080x2340) https://irc.ubports.com/cGZHcTZE.png
 I tried installing Flatpak runtime on Volla Phone and surprisingly apps seem to work if started with correct enviromental variables to use Wayland
 oh wow
 does the volla phone use the wayland setup like the pinephone does then? i thought it was only pinephone that used that so far
 it does not, but Unity8 seems to listen for both Mir and Wayland connections after Mir update some time ago
 it will need mir-android-platform changes to be able to start EGL Wayland apps, but shared memory ones (like non-QML Qt and GTK+) seem to work
 @NotKit [it will need mir-android-platform changes to be able to start EGL Wayland apps, …], wow - cool stuff!  Thanks for your work on that.
 I didn't work on that, just experimenting for now, but SailfishOS has solution to run Flatpak'ed apps with hybris and that could be potentially adapted
 interesting
 yeah ive tried flatpak on sailfish, performance isnt fantastic but its an interesting idea
 how does flatpak compare to libertine? i know libertine has a few different container types it can use
 flatpak doesn't use container afaik
 and libertine really only works with chroot currently
 fair
 i dont know this for sure obviously, but could it potentially be the case that flatpaks are more space-efficient, as the runtimes and stuff can be re-used, wheresa a libertine chroot needs basically a full rootfs? but then again you can easily install however many apps you need in your single libertine chroot
 @dohbee [flatpak doesn't use container afaik], uses user namespaces, kind of container
 @PiecerEdd [i dont know this for sure obviously, but could it potentially be the case that f …], well libertine/xmir is built specifically around the use case of traditional linux distro packaging and x11 security problems, and needing/wanting to use legacy apps on a phone
 also, are there any CLI apps as flatpaks?
 @dohbee [well libertine/xmir is built specifically around the use case of traditional lin …], does libertine ALWAYS run software through x11/xmir though? or would it still run in a 'mir-native' way given the chance (dont both GTK and Qt both support Mir anyway, negating the need for xmir)?
 @PiecerEdd [does libertine ALWAYS run software through x11/xmir though? or would it still ru …], well, libertine itself doesn't run software. it's simply a container. when the app in libertine is launched from the shell, it is launched with xmir yes. when xwayland is working and everything is switched to wayland, it will use that instead
 newer GTK+ no longer has mirclient backend as i understand
 makes sense
 in the future we may be able to support flatpaks in the host without a container, in which case one could theoretically run flatpaks on wayland without x11 stuff
 yeahh
 all good stuff, the more the merrier i reckon 😆
 @dohbee [in the future we may be able to support flatpaks in the host without a container …], why theoretically though if it runs already
 except for support part of course
 well, there are issues of course, like EGL and maliit for virtual keyboard
 @NotKit [why theoretically though if it runs already], theoretically because in practice it doesn't currently just work. we need to solve all the integration issues, and everything else blocking us from getting to that point
 things like making sure apps get permissions popups correctly, those show up in system settings permissions settings, etc…
 that is probably bonus things to have
 i wonder what happened with that person who said they were going to try to work on a v4l compat layer for video on hybris
 was that long ago?
 @NotKit [that is probably bonus things to have], perhaps. i guess if you set up flatpak inside a libertine container and install stuff, it should just work under xmir on most devices
 @NotKit [was that long ago?], it's been some months at least
 @dohbee [perhaps. i guess if you set up flatpak inside a libertine container and install …], inside Libertine is a bad idea, but installing it natively works
 @NotKit [inside Libertine is a bad idea, but installing it natively works], bad idea why?
 container inside in container, and Libertine uses fakeroot
 [Edit] container inside a container, and Libertine uses fakeroot
 There was https://forums.ubports.com/topic/4130/status-of-videochat-in-ut/10 re: v4l stuff, and i think someone in telegram said they would try to do it.
 somehow making video chat work for webapps would be a gamechanger... pretty much every such service uses a webapp these days
 i know its not ubports' fault that they dont currently work, just 'the dream' talking 😆
 yeah, a fake v4l device that just translated v4l stuff over to libcamera/hybris stuff would be great
 🎉 awesome
 um, i have been wondering aswell hearing from people - does the newest rootfs have UI broken? like lightdm or compositor perhaps?
 @rixchy [um, i have been wondering aswell hearing from people - does the newest rootfs ha …], no?
 oh, alright.
 at least, i presume if devel broke there'd be plenty of shouting about it in here :P
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 (that's supposed to be an axolotl)
 Fwd from rixchy: wtf is this `< -warning- > evdev-input: Attempted to remove unmanaged fd 81`
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