[11:42] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:38] <Mamarok> oh brilliant, now I have no sound whsatsoever, niether the built-inb audio card nor the USB plug card are seen on Groovx :-(
[12:38] <Mamarok> at least Plasma loads correctlx now, nut why is the sound gone?
[12:39] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, intel audio ?
[12:39] <Mamarok> yes
[12:39] <BluesKaj> not the usb, but the onboard
[12:40] <Mamarok> yes
[12:41] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, if you upgraded to a new kernel lately then perhaps the old intel bug is in effect, sometimes the driver doesn't load 
[12:42] <Mamarok> oh crap, yes, that's the -21 kernel, the 20 had serious problems loading everything, now at least it is jsut the sound
[12:42] <BluesKaj> so run sudo modprobe snd_hda_intel, if it loads properly there will be no output from the command, then a reboot might be needed
[12:42] <Mamarok> meaning I have external keyboard and mouse working now and Plasma loads correcltly, which the -20 kernel never did
[12:43] <Mamarok> let me check
[12:44] <Mamarok> btw, how can I make sure the WiFi card is activate on startup? That is another thing which is highly annoying since 20.04
[12:49] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, I have the same network start problem with my laptop. clicking on the netwoek manager and choosing your listed router should worl. i haven't found a method yet to tell network manager to autoconnect wifi 
[12:49] <Mamarok> right, let's reboot to try getting some sound...
[12:54] <Mamarok> good, sound is back, but the Plasma loading issues are back as well, maybe some conflicts on startup? takes roughly 25 seconds to load the panel
[12:56] <Mamarok> the externsl sound card is not seen at all, strsngelyx I can sue the buttons on it to change the volume, but the sound card doesn't appear in the devices list
[12:57] <BluesKaj> run lsusb to se if the external sound card is listed
[12:57] <BluesKaj> see
[12:59] <Mamarok> it is listed
[12:59] <BluesKaj> perhaps it shows with F6 in alsamixer
[13:00] <BluesKaj> you can choose it there
[13:00] <Mamarok> yes, that works, now let's see if that helps...
[13:02] <Mamarok> doesn't help, though, I can't get any output through it, or do I need to reload Plasma?
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[13:05] <BluesKaj> Mamarok, you may need to choose it in pavucontrol as well
[13:07] <Mamarok> it still doesn't show in pavucontrol :-(
[13:09] <BluesKaj> hmm, wonder if it needs to be chosen in the efi/bios 
[13:09] <BluesKaj> that's a bit of a pita tho
[13:10] <Mamarok> oh my, that would be a first, that just worked previouslx, why would this have changed= I have never chosen a soundcard in the Bios on this machine
[13:10] <Mamarok> having to choose USB plugs in  the bios makes no sense
[13:12] <BluesKaj> ok, well then my knowledge about outboard sound is rather limited, unless you know how to use jack, something i have no clue about
[13:14] <Mamarok> I think I will leve it for now, at least it recognized the HDMI output again so I have sound on the display
[13:14] <Mamarok> waiting for the new laptop to arrive and see if the idsues persist on the AMD machine
[13:14] <BluesKaj> what do you use the outboard audio for?
[13:16] <Mamarok> I plug in the external speakers and microphone, as the laptop sound card is rather very basic and has no wayx to plug in external speakers
[13:18] <BluesKaj> can't you plug the external speakers into the audio out on the laptop?
[13:19] <BluesKaj> same place where you plug the neadphones
[13:19] <BluesKaj> headphones
[13:19] <Mamarok> yes, but then I would ahve to plug in the headphonbes on the speakers aas well for the mic, whcih is a bit of a cable mess
[13:19] <BluesKaj> true
[13:20] <Mamarok> also I have better sound through that external sound card
[13:21] <BluesKaj> sometimes intel audio distorts the input audio volume if it goes above 80% in alsamixer
[13:26] <Mamarok> true, and even a cheap external card is better in that regard
[13:26] <Mamarok> looking forward to that AMD machine... hopefull arriving next week
[13:26] <BluesKaj> ryzen?
[13:27] <Mamarok> yes, Ryzen5, the 7 laptop ones are not available until next year
[13:33] <BluesKaj> i use a hdmi to my avreceiver from this pc, but it's spdif so it's a totally digital stream thru the onboard intel audio, so the D/A conversion doesn't happen in the pc at all and the audio is really quite clean on all codecs. I don't use my laptop for audio listening at all. 
[13:34] <BluesKaj> this setup is basically a HTPC 
[14:35] <BluesKaj> getting an occasional FF freeze up here, any ideas?
[14:35] <BluesKaj> on GG
[18:01] <ricktimmis> A kubuntu user emailed the list about no Sudo for Dolphin or Kate. I've managed to solve kate using sudoedit, any ideas on how to approach file management with sudo ?
[18:07] <Mamarok> oh well, it's a KDE decision, advanced users can always handle their files with the command line
[18:08] <Mamarok> it's too risky for most users to have sudo access in Dolphin, the risk of actully totally ruining their system is too high, I think it's legit not to make this too easy to use
[18:08] <ricktimmis> Yes, I read Martins blog which makes sense.
[18:09] <Mamarok> and experienced users know how to circumvent that anyway
[18:09] <ricktimmis> I was thinking of perhaps having an admin file manager solution in the K Menu. Obviously not Dolphin
[18:09] <ricktimmis> Yes that is a good point
[18:10] <ricktimmis> The user who emailed pointed out that they don't want to use the CLI for this. 
[18:10] <Mamarok> they don't have to, but as I said, if they know what they are doing they have sudo access on the GUI
[18:11] <Mamarok> I remember back in RedHat 5 times the root GUI was dark red overall :-)
[18:11] <ricktimmis> Wow! Red Hat 5
[18:11] <ricktimmis> That is a long time ago
[18:11] <ricktimmis> I think I started with RH7
[18:12] <ricktimmis> I was using SuSe before that
[18:12] <Mamarok> that was my first Linux installation, and it took me like 3 months to get X working
[18:12] <Mamarok> then I switched to SuSE too
[18:12] <ricktimmis> Yeah, I tried Mandrake which I got in a box with about 12 3.5 disks
[18:12] <ricktimmis> Never got it workingh
[18:12] <Mamarok> only to develop a deep hatred for Yast...
[18:13] <ricktimmis> I still have found feeling for SuSe
[18:13] <Mamarok> and then I tried Debian, and soon discovered Sid and as happy for a long time
[18:13] <Mamarok> was
[18:13] <Mamarok> with some experiments with Gentoo and Mandrake, and Mepis
[18:15] <ricktimmis> Similar deal here Mandrake 'Fail' -> SuSe (Yay! ) RedHat (Yat! ) -> Gentoo ( Ouch, Ooo, Fail, fix, Yay!) - Debian -> Ubuntu -> Kubuntu ( Home )
[18:19] <ricktimmis> Ah ha
[18:19] <ricktimmis> Thanks @Mamarok - Found a pkexec solution based upon your hint
[18:19] <ricktimmis> Now I feel like I know what I am doing
[18:42] <Mamarok> ;-)