callmepkgood morning00:53
jibelGood morning05:00
dufluMorning jibel 05:16
jibelhi duflu 05:18
RAOFHey! Mutter on X11 has focus stealing prevention! Why doesn't Mutter-Wayland‽05:28
dufluRAOF, no idea. I suggest gitlab.gnome.org might be the best place05:31
seb128goood morning desktopers05:35
dufluMorning seb128 05:47
callmepkmorning duflu jibel seb128 05:52
dufluHi callmepk 05:54
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didrocksgood morning07:04
dufluMorning didrocks 07:10
didrockshey duflu 07:10
marcustomlinsonmorning callmepk jibel duflu seb128 didrocks07:22
dufluHey marcustomlinson 07:22
callmepkhey marcustomlinson didrocks 07:23
seb128hey duflu, callmepk, marcustomlinson, how are you?07:25
seb128lut didrocks, comment ça va ?07:25
dufluseb128, going OK... You?07:26
marcustomlinsonseb128: doing ok, cold/flu still not entirely gone but getting better07:27
callmepkI am doing okay seb128 , how about you?07:30
seb128I'm alright, weekends are exhausting though. I still have somewhat a bit of cold, I hope it's a leftoever from the previous one still and not sign of a new round07:31
seb128at least there was some hours without rain and some tennis on tv :-)07:31
jibelSalut marcustomlinson 07:34
didrockshey marcustomlinson, callmepk, salut seb128 07:35
marcustomlinsonseb128: yeah, the continuous lack of sleep doesn't help the recovery process that's for sure07:36
seb128lut jibel, comment ça va ?07:38
jibelSalut seb128, ça va bien merci :) en pleine forme après un week-end reposant et productif 07:40
seb128bien ça :-)07:40
* seb128 rêve d'un weekend reposant :p07:41
callmepkseb128 hope you feel better ;) take naps when you can07:43
seb128marcustomlinson, would you be the right person on this day and time to have a quick read to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1899375 ?07:46
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1899375 in snap-store-desktop "Ubuntu Software suddenly replaced with Snap Store; no longer shows deb packages" [Undecided,New]07:46
marcustomlinsonseb128: sure I'll have a look07:47
seb128marcustomlinson, thanks07:47
seb128it doesn't make much sense to me, unless I'm looking at the wrong branches or snaps but he didn't seem ot have changed recently07:47
seb128at least no recent build on https://code.launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/snap-store or -stable, yet that bug has a stack of users stating having the issue now07:48
marcustomlinsonyeah no update recently07:48
seb128could be due to a snapd update...07:49
marcustomlinsonpossibly, I see the issue myself, and updating to beta fixes it, so perhaps it's time we do that07:52
marcustomlinsonwill speak to ken07:52
seb128he's off today I think07:53
marcustomlinsonah yes07:54
marcustomlinsonI did make some fixes to the snap store appearing this way on other distros, it's possible an update to gnome has brought the issues to ubuntu07:55
marcustomlinsonthose fixes being in beta of course07:55
seb128marcustomlinson, on what is based the 'enable deb support or not' logic?07:58
seb128marcustomlinson, I see an update to gnome-3-28-1804 just landed, could it be due to it?07:59
marcustomlinsonseb128: I believe apt support was only added recently, and in beta. It's not been available in stable07:59
seb128marcustomlinson, we wouldn't have replaced gnome-software in the LTS by a store that doesn't handle deb, I think your memory might fail you there?08:00
seb128the report state 'my computers, running Ubuntu 20.04, saw Ubuntu Software replaced with Snap Store. With this change, I am only able to browse and install snaps; not .deb packages.'08:01
seb128also I'm pretty sure we labelled it 'ubuntu software' and no 'snap store'08:01
seb128so it sounds like the env detection that makes it behave differently on Ubuntu is failing now?08:02
marcustomlinsonseb128: yes the fix for the app appearing incorrectly in app browsers is fixed in beta08:02
seb128app browsers?08:02
seb128you mean e.g shell overview or menus in other desktops?08:03
seb128hey Laney, how are you? had a nice weekend?08:03
marcustomlinsonseb128: whatever name it's given per distro. the applications menu08:03
marcustomlinsonhey Laney08:04
seb128marcustomlinson, ok, my understanding of the situation is that on focal we add the snap installed from stable/ubuntu-20.0408:08
seb128when installed on Ubuntu that snap enable deb support which it disable on other distribution08:09
seb128that was working until this night, I don't think having 7 people hitting launchpad and some report on discourse on the same half day is coincidence08:09
marcustomlinsonah I understand your question now: 08:58 (seb128) marcustomlinson, on what is based the 'enable deb support or not' logic?08:11
marcustomlinsonI don't know, let me see08:11
Laneyhey seb128 hey marcustomlinson 08:12
Laneyyeah was good, I bought some wood and sawed it up using a big saw08:12
Laneynext I need to use a smaller saw to cut it up some more08:12
seb128the fun part is the axe :)08:14
seb128oh, but you are building from the wood right? not cutting in piece for the fire08:14
seb128not the same job, no axe for you I guess :p08:15
LaneyI bought a board of wood from the shop (:08:15
seb128what are you building?08:15
Laneyshoe rack08:15
seb128ah, nice :)08:15
Laneymainly to learn how to do some simple woodwork and get to cut stuff up08:16
seb128that sounds like a fun, non computer project08:16
ricotzgood morning desktopers08:17
seb128hey ricotz , how are you? did you have a nice weekend?08:17
ricotzLaney, a new libreoffice package is in progress (including packaging fixes from debian and updated yaru icons)08:18
ricotzseb128, hey, it was a pretty slow and clam weekend, so quite relaxing :)08:18
Laneyhey ricotz, cool, please file a UIF bug for the icon updates assuming those are ones shown by default08:20
marcustomlinsonseb128: yeah, I'm pretty sure stable/ubuntu-20.04 isn't supposed to be on the same version as stable08:20
marcustomlinsonwhich it is now08:20
Laneywe got this on the iso build today08:20
Laneyerror: cannot validate seed: - cannot use snap "snap-store": default provider "gnome-3-28-1804" is missing08:20
seb128how did that happen?08:20
marcustomlinsonthe "Not/OnlyShowIn=ubuntu" stuff is just missing entirely from the desktop files08:21
seb128Laney, hum, why would that snap become missing?08:22
* seb128 doesn't understand those snaps things enough :-/08:22
dufluHi Laney08:22
ricotzLaney, the yaru icon style is already picked up in 7.0.2~rc2 by default08:22
ricotzin "ubuntu" sessions08:23
marcustomlinsonLaney: what does "missing" mean there? like "not installed" or "not installable"08:23
Laneymoin duflu 08:23
Laneyricotz: I know, but if you are changing the user interface, e.g. changing how some icons look, then you need to follow the user interface freeze process08:23
Laneymarcustomlinson: not sure, I think that error comes from snap validate or whatever it's called, some snapd command08:24
ricotzLaney, is there some coordinated process in https://github.com/ubuntu regarding the yaru icons?08:24
ricotzmeaning does https://github.com/ubuntu/libreoffice-style-yaru-fullcolor/commits/master follow some schedule by avoding breaking obvious things08:25
GunnarHjMorning seb128! Do you know anything about https://help.ubuntu.com/activedirectory ?08:25
Laneyricotz: I don't know, I'm not involved with that project or pulling in its icons to Libreoffice I'm afaird08:26
LaneyI would hope that they try to follow the release schedule and keep fixes after the freeze to necessary bug fixes08:26
Laneybut, not sure08:26
ricotzLaney, fair enough, I was hoping you known about the gtk yaru icon/theme08:26
LaneyTry Trevinh_o or clobran_o08:27
marcustomlinsonseb128: I'd like to see what's happened with the versions of snap store in each channel but I don't have admin access to that package08:27
seb128GunnarHj, hey, I think it's a placeholder and content will come but the ones working on active directory support are jibel  and didrocks 08:27
seb128they might know better what's the plan there08:27
ricotzLaney, I see, thanks08:27
seb128marcustomlinson, neither do I :-/ can we ask on the snap store channel or something?08:28
seb128otherwise we need to wait for Ken to be around08:28
ricotzLaney, ty, will wait for the package to test build first08:28
seb128it's also a fail that we don't have more people with access08:28
GunnarHjseb128: Looks like you just pinged them. Or not - didrocks999 (Placeholder in a ubiquity translatable string is not ideal four days after NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline.)08:31
Laney  latest/stable:    3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 2020-10-11 (145) 170MB -08:32
Laneylooks like something happened to gnome-3-28-1804 too08:32
Laneyall very opaque though, I don't know how to diff this stuff08:32
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didrocks999GunnarHj: sorry, I’m out of context?08:34
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jibelGunnarHj, seb128 it's a broken link that shouldn't be. I'll chase the webteam08:35
GunnarHjdidrocks, jibel: I asked about the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/activedirectory which is mentioned in the ubiquity UI.08:35
GunnarHjjibel: I would prefer that you didn't. help.ubuntu.com is mostly handled by the docs team, and I can fix a redirect if you just tell me the target location.08:36
jibelGunnarHj, this is where is must redirect https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd08:38
GunnarHjjibel: Ok. Let me fix that.08:39
GunnarHjjibel: Done. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/help.ubuntu.com/help.ubuntu.com/revision/69/.htaccess08:50
GunnarHjThe web site should be updated at noon UTC.08:50
didrocksnice, thanks GunnarHj 08:54
Laneyseb128: did you understand why the branch would just disappear?09:34
jameshWe got an upstream response on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/145409:36
marcustomlinsonjamesh: saw that :) good response too09:37
seb128Laney, yes, sorry, was pinging about and going to update here09:41
seb128looks like store branches expire after 30 days without activity09:42
Laneyis that groovy problem I posted about something different or related?09:42
seb128unsure, the reply I got for that one was09:43
seb128'On gnome-3-28-1804, there was a progressive release from r142 to r145 yesterday.'09:43
seb128it's unclear to me why that would trigger that error09:43
seb128did we get a build today as well to have data on whether it's persistant or fixed itself?09:43
seb128so snap store, we are fallbacking to the wrong thing09:43
* seb128 pauses09:44
Laneythe build error I got was focal, not groovy, misread that09:44
Laneystill dunno how to parse it, but it lines up with the other problem09:44
seb128did ubuntu-20.04 expired for that one as well?09:44
seb128does anyone here has dev access to those?09:45
seb128I think we need Ken09:45
marcustomlinsonyeah :-09:45
seb128(and then we need to review who has access to those things, the bus factor is problematic)09:45
Laneycan you see if you try to install it?09:45
LaneyI know it falls back to stable, but can you tell if it did that?09:45
Laneyhm not sure that one is forked though09:46
seb128I don't know how to get that info09:46
Laneylets just try another build09:46
seb128so snap-store09:46
seb128we need someone with access to republish the right version to ubuntu-20.0409:46
marcustomlinsonLaney: would make sense that it's "messing" in that case then yeah09:47
seb128and then fix the fallback so it doesn't happen again09:47
seb128unless the iso building job enforce the channel somehow?09:47
seb128I've no idea how the assertion is done there09:47
marcustomlinsonLaney: gnome-3-28-1804 stable and latest/stable/ubuntu-20.04 are at the same version09:48
marcustomlinsonI mean, I don't know if they're supposed to be09:48
LaneyI think the channel is supposed to be closed if unused09:48
Laneythat means it exists as an escape hatch09:49
marcustomlinsonbut no output in the log about falling back or channel closed etc09:49
Laneyno don't think there would be09:49
marcustomlinsonjust seemingly updates from the channel you selected even though it didn't get it from there09:50
marcustomlinsonthat's not great09:50
Laneythat's the intent, emergency ubuntu specific revisions if needed09:52
Laneynot sure it was envisioned to use the branch forever like snap-store does09:53
Laneykinda surprised this expiry never happened before, did we always do something every 30 days up until now?09:53
wgrantIt definitely wasn't.09:53
wgrantI've rereleased the old revs for now.09:53
Laneyhttps://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu/+build/241389 <- watch this09:53
wgrantBut someone will need to follow up with Snap Store people so we can work out a proper solution -- this definitely isn't using the ubuntu-* branches as they were intended.09:54
LaneyIs the lifetime configurable per-branch currently?09:54
wgrants not.09:55
LaneyI guess that's something for Marcus and/or Ken to take up then in the next 30 days :>09:55
marcustomlinsonyeah, I need to get myself admin access to that package09:55
marcustomlinsonthanks wgrant09:55
LaneyIt should probably be something better than being a human cron job too :p09:56
Laney(i.e. re-releasing when needed)09:56
wgrantFor the record, I rereleased revisions 282, 467, 470 and 471 (i386, amd64, arm64 and armhf respectively).09:56
Laneyxnox added track support to livecd-rootfs recently, so a separate track might be a better design here09:58
wgrantDoes it need explicit support? I'd expect it all just to take an opaque channel string.09:59
wgrantThe problem with tracks in general is that they usually represent a version number of the software, and are visible in `snap info`. But for some things they're okay.10:00
LaneyIt was hardcoded to the ubuntu-AB.CD schema before10:00
LaneyI'm not sure exactly how that was relaxed10:00
wgrantOh, I see.10:00
wgrantThat makes a great deal of sense.10:00
LaneySo yeah it can be whatever10:03
LaneyAnd at this point I'll leave it up to those two to design the better answer :>10:04
* Laney goes back to trying to hack initramfsen10:04
seb128Laney, ISO built worked10:23
seb128Trevinho, hey, what's the status of gnome-shell 3.38.1? release is next week and we want to do an iso testing day tomorrow, would have nice to have the update in place10:28
Trevinhoseb128: it was already uploaded last saturday if I didn't get a lp error that I didn't receive email about...10:31
Trevinhosee #launchpad, was my error after all, but anyways :D10:31
seb128Trevinho, I don't see it in the queue?10:31
Trevinhoseb128: no, I wanted to rebuild it in a ppa before because there were some failures in debian so wanted to check if we had them here as well10:32
Trevinhobut no.. looks like we're all green https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4308/+packages10:32
Trevinhoso I'm uploading it now10:32
seb128Trevinho, sorry I don't understand, they were uploaded saturday or now?10:33
seb128I'm not on #launchpad and irclog didn't catch up on recent comments yet I think10:33
Trevinhoseb128: so... I did an upload saturday but it failed as I forgot the -sa, but I didn't any email about the failure so I thought it was all good10:34
Trevinhowhile it didn't.10:34
seb128weird, you should get emails in those cases10:34
Trevinhoso I did it now. It's all in queue now10:34
seb128check your filters?10:34
seb128great, thx10:34
seb128the case you don't get emailed about is wrong key signing10:34
Trevinhoseb128: yeah, already checked... 10:35
Trevinhobut key was good and nothing was filtered10:35
Trevinhoanyways, it's all in queue now10:35
Trevinhonot sure if Laney can unblock them asap10:35
Laneyyou just get my standard answer for now10:37
Laneythe queue is all reviewed very regularly :>10:37
Laneywill do a round in a little bit10:39
seb128tjaalton, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xorg-server seems unhappy, that's on your list of things to investigate?12:35
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ricotzTrevinho, hi, is this something you could comment on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/189945614:07
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1899456 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) " [UIFe] Update yaru icon style to 2010-10-11 (Ubuntu) " [Undecided,New]14:07
Trevinhoricotz: mh, not much... NOt that I'm following that sub-project much :)14:08
ricotzTrevinho, maybe you have some insight on the quality of maintenance?14:10
Trevinhoricotz: no much, but maybe I can ask upstream yaru maintainers to comment on that?14:11
ricotzTrevinho, I see, that would be great!14:11
xnoxwgrant:  Laney: default is autogenerated to stable/ubuntu-MM.YY => or in the seed, or via hook, one can specify the full channel name to use, i.e. track/risk/branch14:30
GunnarHjHey Laney, why did you skip gnome-getting-started-docs when working with the groovy queue? Was it the huge diff?15:06
LaneyI'll get to the rest of the queue later15:19
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Laneymarcustomlinson: people will get auto-refreshed back to the branch version of snap-store now it's re published won't they16:02
marcustomlinsonLaney: yes, on the next cycle of auto-refresh16:03
marcustomlinsonbut if you's is impatient... snap refresh16:03
LaneyI don't care for me16:07
LaneyI'm caring for people who don't even know there's a bug16:07
Laneysounds like they get it in <time period> and you're happy with that, so ok16:07
marcustomlinson"you" wasn't specifically YOU16:07
Laneyah those yous /me points all around16:10
* Laney narrows eyes16:11
Laneywhere is kenvandine16:11
Laneywant to make sure that he knows there's a task to fix this for next time16:11
marcustomlinsonSeb created a trello card for this and assigned him and I16:12
marcustomlinsonLaney: ken is off today16:12
Laneygood old trello16:13
KGB-1gdm debian/master Dmitry Borodaenko * [open] merge request !10: Implement has_option in Xsession * https://deb.li/3gHty19:04

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