| callmepk | good morning | 00:53 |
|---|---|---|
| jibel | Good morning | 05:00 |
| duflu | Morning jibel | 05:16 |
| jibel | hi duflu | 05:18 |
| RAOF | Hey! Mutter on X11 has focus stealing prevention! Why doesn't Mutter-Wayland‽ | 05:28 |
| duflu | RAOF, no idea. I suggest gitlab.gnome.org might be the best place | 05:31 |
| seb128 | goood morning desktopers | 05:35 |
| duflu | Morning seb128 | 05:47 |
| callmepk | morning duflu jibel seb128 | 05:52 |
| duflu | Hi callmepk | 05:54 |
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| didrocks | good morning | 07:04 |
| duflu | Morning didrocks | 07:10 |
| didrocks | hey duflu | 07:10 |
| marcustomlinson | morning callmepk jibel duflu seb128 didrocks | 07:22 |
| duflu | Hey marcustomlinson | 07:22 |
| callmepk | hey marcustomlinson didrocks | 07:23 |
| seb128 | hey duflu, callmepk, marcustomlinson, how are you? | 07:25 |
| seb128 | lut didrocks, comment ça va ? | 07:25 |
| duflu | seb128, going OK... You? | 07:26 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: doing ok, cold/flu still not entirely gone but getting better | 07:27 |
| duflu | :/ | 07:27 |
| callmepk | I am doing okay seb128 , how about you? | 07:30 |
| seb128 | I'm alright, weekends are exhausting though. I still have somewhat a bit of cold, I hope it's a leftoever from the previous one still and not sign of a new round | 07:31 |
| seb128 | at least there was some hours without rain and some tennis on tv :-) | 07:31 |
| jibel | Salut marcustomlinson | 07:34 |
| didrocks | hey marcustomlinson, callmepk, salut seb128 | 07:35 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: yeah, the continuous lack of sleep doesn't help the recovery process that's for sure | 07:36 |
| seb128 | lut jibel, comment ça va ? | 07:38 |
| jibel | Salut seb128, ça va bien merci :) en pleine forme après un week-end reposant et productif | 07:40 |
| seb128 | bien ça :-) | 07:40 |
| * seb128 rêve d'un weekend reposant :p | 07:41 | |
| callmepk | seb128 hope you feel better ;) take naps when you can | 07:43 |
| seb128 | thanks! | 07:44 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, would you be the right person on this day and time to have a quick read to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1899375 ? | 07:46 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1899375 in snap-store-desktop "Ubuntu Software suddenly replaced with Snap Store; no longer shows deb packages" [Undecided,New] | 07:46 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: sure I'll have a look | 07:47 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, thanks | 07:47 |
| seb128 | it doesn't make much sense to me, unless I'm looking at the wrong branches or snaps but he didn't seem ot have changed recently | 07:47 |
| seb128 | at least no recent build on https://code.launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/snap-store or -stable, yet that bug has a stack of users stating having the issue now | 07:48 |
| marcustomlinson | yeah no update recently | 07:48 |
| seb128 | could be due to a snapd update... | 07:49 |
| marcustomlinson | possibly, I see the issue myself, and updating to beta fixes it, so perhaps it's time we do that | 07:52 |
| marcustomlinson | will speak to ken | 07:52 |
| seb128 | he's off today I think | 07:53 |
| marcustomlinson | ah yes | 07:54 |
| marcustomlinson | I did make some fixes to the snap store appearing this way on other distros, it's possible an update to gnome has brought the issues to ubuntu | 07:55 |
| marcustomlinson | those fixes being in beta of course | 07:55 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, on what is based the 'enable deb support or not' logic? | 07:58 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, I see an update to gnome-3-28-1804 just landed, could it be due to it? | 07:59 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I believe apt support was only added recently, and in beta. It's not been available in stable | 07:59 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, we wouldn't have replaced gnome-software in the LTS by a store that doesn't handle deb, I think your memory might fail you there? | 08:00 |
| seb128 | the report state 'my computers, running Ubuntu 20.04, saw Ubuntu Software replaced with Snap Store. With this change, I am only able to browse and install snaps; not .deb packages.' | 08:01 |
| seb128 | also I'm pretty sure we labelled it 'ubuntu software' and no 'snap store' | 08:01 |
| seb128 | so it sounds like the env detection that makes it behave differently on Ubuntu is failing now? | 08:02 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: yes the fix for the app appearing incorrectly in app browsers is fixed in beta | 08:02 |
| seb128 | app browsers? | 08:02 |
| seb128 | you mean e.g shell overview or menus in other desktops? | 08:03 |
| Laney | peace | 08:03 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? had a nice weekend? | 08:03 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: whatever name it's given per distro. the applications menu | 08:03 |
| marcustomlinson | hey Laney | 08:04 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, ok, my understanding of the situation is that on focal we add the snap installed from stable/ubuntu-20.04 | 08:08 |
| seb128 | when installed on Ubuntu that snap enable deb support which it disable on other distribution | 08:09 |
| seb128 | that was working until this night, I don't think having 7 people hitting launchpad and some report on discourse on the same half day is coincidence | 08:09 |
| marcustomlinson | ah I understand your question now: 08:58 (seb128) marcustomlinson, on what is based the 'enable deb support or not' logic? | 08:11 |
| marcustomlinson | I don't know, let me see | 08:11 |
| Laney | hey seb128 hey marcustomlinson | 08:12 |
| Laney | yeah was good, I bought some wood and sawed it up using a big saw | 08:12 |
| Laney | next I need to use a smaller saw to cut it up some more | 08:12 |
| seb128 | the fun part is the axe :) | 08:14 |
| seb128 | oh, but you are building from the wood right? not cutting in piece for the fire | 08:14 |
| seb128 | not the same job, no axe for you I guess :p | 08:15 |
| Laney | indeed | 08:15 |
| Laney | I bought a board of wood from the shop (: | 08:15 |
| Laney | :(* | 08:15 |
| seb128 | what are you building? | 08:15 |
| Laney | shoe rack | 08:15 |
| seb128 | ah, nice :) | 08:15 |
| Laney | mainly to learn how to do some simple woodwork and get to cut stuff up | 08:16 |
| seb128 | that sounds like a fun, non computer project | 08:16 |
| ricotz | good morning desktopers | 08:17 |
| seb128 | hey ricotz , how are you? did you have a nice weekend? | 08:17 |
| ricotz | Laney, a new libreoffice package is in progress (including packaging fixes from debian and updated yaru icons) | 08:18 |
| ricotz | seb128, hey, it was a pretty slow and clam weekend, so quite relaxing :) | 08:18 |
| ricotz | clam/calm | 08:18 |
| Laney | hey ricotz, cool, please file a UIF bug for the icon updates assuming those are ones shown by default | 08:20 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: yeah, I'm pretty sure stable/ubuntu-20.04 isn't supposed to be on the same version as stable | 08:20 |
| marcustomlinson | which it is now | 08:20 |
| Laney | we got this on the iso build today | 08:20 |
| Laney | error: cannot validate seed: - cannot use snap "snap-store": default provider "gnome-3-28-1804" is missing | 08:20 |
| seb128 | how did that happen? | 08:20 |
| marcustomlinson | the "Not/OnlyShowIn=ubuntu" stuff is just missing entirely from the desktop files | 08:21 |
| seb128 | Laney, hum, why would that snap become missing? | 08:22 |
| * seb128 doesn't understand those snaps things enough :-/ | 08:22 | |
| duflu | Hi Laney | 08:22 |
| ricotz | Laney, the yaru icon style is already picked up in 7.0.2~rc2 by default | 08:22 |
| ricotz | in "ubuntu" sessions | 08:23 |
| marcustomlinson | Laney: what does "missing" mean there? like "not installed" or "not installable" | 08:23 |
| Laney | moin duflu | 08:23 |
| Laney | ricotz: I know, but if you are changing the user interface, e.g. changing how some icons look, then you need to follow the user interface freeze process | 08:23 |
| Laney | marcustomlinson: not sure, I think that error comes from snap validate or whatever it's called, some snapd command | 08:24 |
| ricotz | Laney, is there some coordinated process in https://github.com/ubuntu regarding the yaru icons? | 08:24 |
| ricotz | meaning does https://github.com/ubuntu/libreoffice-style-yaru-fullcolor/commits/master follow some schedule by avoding breaking obvious things | 08:25 |
| GunnarHj | Morning seb128! Do you know anything about https://help.ubuntu.com/activedirectory ? | 08:25 |
| Laney | ricotz: I don't know, I'm not involved with that project or pulling in its icons to Libreoffice I'm afaird | 08:26 |
| Laney | I would hope that they try to follow the release schedule and keep fixes after the freeze to necessary bug fixes | 08:26 |
| Laney | but, not sure | 08:26 |
| ricotz | Laney, fair enough, I was hoping you known about the gtk yaru icon/theme | 08:26 |
| Laney | Try Trevinh_o or clobran_o | 08:27 |
| marcustomlinson | seb128: I'd like to see what's happened with the versions of snap store in each channel but I don't have admin access to that package | 08:27 |
| seb128 | GunnarHj, hey, I think it's a placeholder and content will come but the ones working on active directory support are jibel and didrocks | 08:27 |
| seb128 | they might know better what's the plan there | 08:27 |
| ricotz | Laney, I see, thanks | 08:27 |
| seb128 | marcustomlinson, neither do I :-/ can we ask on the snap store channel or something? | 08:28 |
| seb128 | otherwise we need to wait for Ken to be around | 08:28 |
| ricotz | Laney, ty, will wait for the package to test build first | 08:28 |
| seb128 | it's also a fail that we don't have more people with access | 08:28 |
| marcustomlinson | yeah | 08:29 |
| GunnarHj | seb128: Looks like you just pinged them. Or not - didrocks999 (Placeholder in a ubiquity translatable string is not ideal four days after NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline.) | 08:31 |
| Laney | latest/stable: 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 2020-10-11 (145) 170MB - | 08:32 |
| Laney | looks like something happened to gnome-3-28-1804 too | 08:32 |
| Laney | all very opaque though, I don't know how to diff this stuff | 08:32 |
| KGB-2 | glib pristine-tar 9162741 Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.66.1.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.66.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.66.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/tCPy | 08:33 |
| KGB-2 | glib upstream/latest a72feb1 Simon McVittie * pushed 53 commits * https://deb.li/3ryM4 | 08:33 |
| Laney | ^_^ | 08:33 |
| KGB-2 | glib tags be08820 Simon McVittie upstream/2.66.1 * Upstream version 2.66.1 * https://deb.li/y1mM | 08:33 |
| didrocks999 | GunnarHj: sorry, I’m out of context? | 08:34 |
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| jibel | GunnarHj, seb128 it's a broken link that shouldn't be. I'll chase the webteam | 08:35 |
| GunnarHj | didrocks, jibel: I asked about the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/activedirectory which is mentioned in the ubiquity UI. | 08:35 |
| GunnarHj | jibel: I would prefer that you didn't. help.ubuntu.com is mostly handled by the docs team, and I can fix a redirect if you just tell me the target location. | 08:36 |
| jibel | GunnarHj, this is where is must redirect https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd | 08:38 |
| jibel | it* | 08:39 |
| GunnarHj | jibel: Ok. Let me fix that. | 08:39 |
| jibel | thanks | 08:39 |
| GunnarHj | jibel: Done. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/help.ubuntu.com/help.ubuntu.com/revision/69/.htaccess | 08:50 |
| GunnarHj | The web site should be updated at noon UTC. | 08:50 |
| didrocks | nice, thanks GunnarHj | 08:54 |
| GunnarHj | yw | 08:54 |
| Laney | seb128: did you understand why the branch would just disappear? | 09:34 |
| jamesh | We got an upstream response on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1454 | 09:36 |
| marcustomlinson | jamesh: saw that :) good response too | 09:37 |
| seb128 | Laney, yes, sorry, was pinging about and going to update here | 09:41 |
| Laney | ok | 09:42 |
| seb128 | looks like store branches expire after 30 days without activity | 09:42 |
| Laney | is that groovy problem I posted about something different or related? | 09:42 |
| seb128 | unsure, the reply I got for that one was | 09:43 |
| seb128 | 'On gnome-3-28-1804, there was a progressive release from r142 to r145 yesterday.' | 09:43 |
| seb128 | it's unclear to me why that would trigger that error | 09:43 |
| seb128 | did we get a build today as well to have data on whether it's persistant or fixed itself? | 09:43 |
| seb128 | so snap store, we are fallbacking to the wrong thing | 09:43 |
| Laney | WAIT | 09:43 |
| * seb128 pauses | 09:44 | |
| Laney | the build error I got was focal, not groovy, misread that | 09:44 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu/ | 09:44 |
| Laney | still dunno how to parse it, but it lines up with the other problem | 09:44 |
| seb128 | did ubuntu-20.04 expired for that one as well? | 09:44 |
| seb128 | does anyone here has dev access to those? | 09:45 |
| seb128 | I think we need Ken | 09:45 |
| marcustomlinson | yeah :- | 09:45 |
| seb128 | (and then we need to review who has access to those things, the bus factor is problematic) | 09:45 |
| Laney | can you see if you try to install it? | 09:45 |
| Laney | I know it falls back to stable, but can you tell if it did that? | 09:45 |
| Laney | hm not sure that one is forked though | 09:46 |
| seb128 | I don't know how to get that info | 09:46 |
| Laney | lets just try another build | 09:46 |
| seb128 | thx | 09:46 |
| seb128 | so snap-store | 09:46 |
| seb128 | we need someone with access to republish the right version to ubuntu-20.04 | 09:46 |
| marcustomlinson | Laney: would make sense that it's "messing" in that case then yeah | 09:47 |
| marcustomlinson | missing | 09:47 |
| seb128 | and then fix the fallback so it doesn't happen again | 09:47 |
| seb128 | unless the iso building job enforce the channel somehow? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | I've no idea how the assertion is done there | 09:47 |
| marcustomlinson | Laney: gnome-3-28-1804 stable and latest/stable/ubuntu-20.04 are at the same version | 09:48 |
| marcustomlinson | I mean, I don't know if they're supposed to be | 09:48 |
| Laney | I think the channel is supposed to be closed if unused | 09:48 |
| Laney | that means it exists as an escape hatch | 09:49 |
| marcustomlinson | but no output in the log about falling back or channel closed etc | 09:49 |
| Laney | no don't think there would be | 09:49 |
| marcustomlinson | just seemingly updates from the channel you selected even though it didn't get it from there | 09:50 |
| marcustomlinson | that's not great | 09:50 |
| Laney | that's the intent, emergency ubuntu specific revisions if needed | 09:52 |
| Laney | not sure it was envisioned to use the branch forever like snap-store does | 09:53 |
| Laney | kinda surprised this expiry never happened before, did we always do something every 30 days up until now? | 09:53 |
| wgrant | It definitely wasn't. | 09:53 |
| wgrant | I've rereleased the old revs for now. | 09:53 |
| Laney | Cheers | 09:53 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu/+build/241389 <- watch this | 09:53 |
| wgrant | But someone will need to follow up with Snap Store people so we can work out a proper solution -- this definitely isn't using the ubuntu-* branches as they were intended. | 09:54 |
| Laney | Is the lifetime configurable per-branch currently? | 09:54 |
| wgrant | It | 09:54 |
| wgrant | ' | 09:55 |
| wgrant | s not. | 09:55 |
| Laney | righto | 09:55 |
| Laney | I guess that's something for Marcus and/or Ken to take up then in the next 30 days :> | 09:55 |
| marcustomlinson | yeah, I need to get myself admin access to that package | 09:55 |
| marcustomlinson | thanks wgrant | 09:55 |
| Laney | It should probably be something better than being a human cron job too :p | 09:56 |
| Laney | (i.e. re-releasing when needed) | 09:56 |
| wgrant | For the record, I rereleased revisions 282, 467, 470 and 471 (i386, amd64, arm64 and armhf respectively). | 09:56 |
| Laney | xnox added track support to livecd-rootfs recently, so a separate track might be a better design here | 09:58 |
| wgrant | Does it need explicit support? I'd expect it all just to take an opaque channel string. | 09:59 |
| wgrant | The problem with tracks in general is that they usually represent a version number of the software, and are visible in `snap info`. But for some things they're okay. | 10:00 |
| Laney | It was hardcoded to the ubuntu-AB.CD schema before | 10:00 |
| Laney | I'm not sure exactly how that was relaxed | 10:00 |
| wgrant | Oh, I see. | 10:00 |
| wgrant | That makes a great deal of sense. | 10:00 |
| Laney | https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/functions#n643 | 10:03 |
| Laney | So yeah it can be whatever | 10:03 |
| Laney | And at this point I'll leave it up to those two to design the better answer :> | 10:04 |
| * Laney goes back to trying to hack initramfsen | 10:04 | |
| seb128 | Laney, ISO built worked | 10:23 |
| Laney | yep | 10:24 |
| Laney | woot | 10:24 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, hey, what's the status of gnome-shell 3.38.1? release is next week and we want to do an iso testing day tomorrow, would have nice to have the update in place | 10:28 |
| Trevinho | seb128: it was already uploaded last saturday if I didn't get a lp error that I didn't receive email about... | 10:31 |
| Trevinho | see #launchpad, was my error after all, but anyways :D | 10:31 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, I don't see it in the queue? | 10:31 |
| Trevinho | seb128: no, I wanted to rebuild it in a ppa before because there were some failures in debian so wanted to check if we had them here as well | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | but no.. looks like we're all green https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4308/+packages | 10:32 |
| Trevinho | so I'm uploading it now | 10:32 |
| seb128 | Trevinho, sorry I don't understand, they were uploaded saturday or now? | 10:33 |
| seb128 | I'm not on #launchpad and irclog didn't catch up on recent comments yet I think | 10:33 |
| seb128 | thanks | 10:33 |
| Trevinho | seb128: so... I did an upload saturday but it failed as I forgot the -sa, but I didn't any email about the failure so I thought it was all good | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | while it didn't. | 10:34 |
| seb128 | k | 10:34 |
| seb128 | weird, you should get emails in those cases | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | so I did it now. It's all in queue now | 10:34 |
| seb128 | check your filters? | 10:34 |
| seb128 | great, thx | 10:34 |
| seb128 | the case you don't get emailed about is wrong key signing | 10:34 |
| Trevinho | seb128: yeah, already checked... | 10:35 |
| seb128 | weird | 10:35 |
| Trevinho | but key was good and nothing was filtered | 10:35 |
| Trevinho | indeed | 10:35 |
| Trevinho | anyways, it's all in queue now | 10:35 |
| Trevinho | not sure if Laney can unblock them asap | 10:35 |
| Laney | you just get my standard answer for now | 10:37 |
| Laney | the queue is all reviewed very regularly :> | 10:37 |
| Laney | will do a round in a little bit | 10:39 |
| seb128 | tjaalton, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xorg-server seems unhappy, that's on your list of things to investigate? | 12:35 |
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| KGB-1 | gobject-introspection upstream/latest 2e32822 Simon McVittie * pushed 11 commits * https://deb.li/nadx | 12:35 |
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| tjaalton | yes | 12:37 |
| seb128 | thx | 12:39 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, hi, is this something you could comment on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1899456 | 14:07 |
| ubot5 | Ubuntu bug 1899456 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) " [UIFe] Update yaru icon style to 2010-10-11 (Ubuntu) " [Undecided,New] | 14:07 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: mh, not much... NOt that I'm following that sub-project much :) | 14:08 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, maybe you have some insight on the quality of maintenance? | 14:10 |
| Trevinho | ricotz: no much, but maybe I can ask upstream yaru maintainers to comment on that? | 14:11 |
| ricotz | Trevinho, I see, that would be great! | 14:11 |
| xnox | wgrant: Laney: default is autogenerated to stable/ubuntu-MM.YY => or in the seed, or via hook, one can specify the full channel name to use, i.e. track/risk/branch | 14:30 |
| GunnarHj | Hey Laney, why did you skip gnome-getting-started-docs when working with the groovy queue? Was it the huge diff? | 15:06 |
| Laney | I'll get to the rest of the queue later | 15:19 |
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| Laney | marcustomlinson: people will get auto-refreshed back to the branch version of snap-store now it's re published won't they | 16:02 |
| marcustomlinson | Laney: yes, on the next cycle of auto-refresh | 16:03 |
| marcustomlinson | but if you's is impatient... snap refresh | 16:03 |
| marcustomlinson | :) | 16:03 |
| Laney | I don't care for me | 16:07 |
| Laney | I'm caring for people who don't even know there's a bug | 16:07 |
| Laney | sounds like they get it in <time period> and you're happy with that, so ok | 16:07 |
| marcustomlinson | "you" wasn't specifically YOU | 16:07 |
| Laney | ah those yous /me points all around | 16:10 |
| * Laney narrows eyes | 16:11 | |
| Laney | where is kenvandine | 16:11 |
| Laney | want to make sure that he knows there's a task to fix this for next time | 16:11 |
| marcustomlinson | Seb created a trello card for this and assigned him and I | 16:12 |
| marcustomlinson | him=ken | 16:12 |
| marcustomlinson | Laney: ken is off today | 16:12 |
| Laney | gr8 | 16:13 |
| Laney | good old trello | 16:13 |
| Laney | night! | 17:19 |
| KGB-1 | gdm debian/master Dmitry Borodaenko * [open] merge request !10: Implement has_option in Xsession * https://deb.li/3gHty | 19:04 |
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