[00:53] good morning [05:00] Good morning [05:16] Morning jibel [05:18] hi duflu [05:28] Hey! Mutter on X11 has focus stealing prevention! Why doesn't Mutter-Wayland‽ [05:31] RAOF, no idea. I suggest gitlab.gnome.org might be the best place [05:35] goood morning desktopers [05:47] Morning seb128 [05:52] morning duflu jibel seb128 [05:54] Hi callmepk === cpaelzer__ is now known as cpaelzer [07:04] good morning [07:10] Morning didrocks [07:10] hey duflu [07:22] morning callmepk jibel duflu seb128 didrocks [07:22] Hey marcustomlinson [07:23] hey marcustomlinson didrocks [07:25] hey duflu, callmepk, marcustomlinson, how are you? [07:25] lut didrocks, comment ça va ? [07:26] seb128, going OK... You? [07:27] seb128: doing ok, cold/flu still not entirely gone but getting better [07:27] :/ [07:30] I am doing okay seb128 , how about you? [07:31] I'm alright, weekends are exhausting though. I still have somewhat a bit of cold, I hope it's a leftoever from the previous one still and not sign of a new round [07:31] at least there was some hours without rain and some tennis on tv :-) [07:34] Salut marcustomlinson [07:35] hey marcustomlinson, callmepk, salut seb128 [07:36] seb128: yeah, the continuous lack of sleep doesn't help the recovery process that's for sure [07:38] lut jibel, comment ça va ? [07:40] Salut seb128, ça va bien merci :) en pleine forme après un week-end reposant et productif [07:40] bien ça :-) [07:41] * seb128 rêve d'un weekend reposant :p [07:43] seb128 hope you feel better ;) take naps when you can [07:44] thanks! [07:46] marcustomlinson, would you be the right person on this day and time to have a quick read to https://bugs.launchpad.net/snap-store-desktop/+bug/1899375 ? [07:46] Ubuntu bug 1899375 in snap-store-desktop "Ubuntu Software suddenly replaced with Snap Store; no longer shows deb packages" [Undecided,New] [07:47] seb128: sure I'll have a look [07:47] marcustomlinson, thanks [07:47] it doesn't make much sense to me, unless I'm looking at the wrong branches or snaps but he didn't seem ot have changed recently [07:48] at least no recent build on https://code.launchpad.net/~desktop-snappers/+snap/snap-store or -stable, yet that bug has a stack of users stating having the issue now [07:48] yeah no update recently [07:49] could be due to a snapd update... [07:52] possibly, I see the issue myself, and updating to beta fixes it, so perhaps it's time we do that [07:52] will speak to ken [07:53] he's off today I think [07:54] ah yes [07:55] I did make some fixes to the snap store appearing this way on other distros, it's possible an update to gnome has brought the issues to ubuntu [07:55] those fixes being in beta of course [07:58] marcustomlinson, on what is based the 'enable deb support or not' logic? [07:59] marcustomlinson, I see an update to gnome-3-28-1804 just landed, could it be due to it? [07:59] seb128: I believe apt support was only added recently, and in beta. It's not been available in stable [08:00] marcustomlinson, we wouldn't have replaced gnome-software in the LTS by a store that doesn't handle deb, I think your memory might fail you there? [08:01] the report state 'my computers, running Ubuntu 20.04, saw Ubuntu Software replaced with Snap Store. With this change, I am only able to browse and install snaps; not .deb packages.' [08:01] also I'm pretty sure we labelled it 'ubuntu software' and no 'snap store' [08:02] so it sounds like the env detection that makes it behave differently on Ubuntu is failing now? [08:02] seb128: yes the fix for the app appearing incorrectly in app browsers is fixed in beta [08:02] app browsers? [08:03] you mean e.g shell overview or menus in other desktops? [08:03] peace [08:03] hey Laney, how are you? had a nice weekend? [08:03] seb128: whatever name it's given per distro. the applications menu [08:04] hey Laney [08:08] marcustomlinson, ok, my understanding of the situation is that on focal we add the snap installed from stable/ubuntu-20.04 [08:09] when installed on Ubuntu that snap enable deb support which it disable on other distribution [08:09] that was working until this night, I don't think having 7 people hitting launchpad and some report on discourse on the same half day is coincidence [08:11] ah I understand your question now: 08:58 (seb128) marcustomlinson, on what is based the 'enable deb support or not' logic? [08:11] I don't know, let me see [08:12] hey seb128 hey marcustomlinson [08:12] yeah was good, I bought some wood and sawed it up using a big saw [08:12] next I need to use a smaller saw to cut it up some more [08:14] the fun part is the axe :) [08:14] oh, but you are building from the wood right? not cutting in piece for the fire [08:15] not the same job, no axe for you I guess :p [08:15] indeed [08:15] I bought a board of wood from the shop (: [08:15] :(* [08:15] what are you building? [08:15] shoe rack [08:15] ah, nice :) [08:16] mainly to learn how to do some simple woodwork and get to cut stuff up [08:16] that sounds like a fun, non computer project [08:17] good morning desktopers [08:17] hey ricotz , how are you? did you have a nice weekend? [08:18] Laney, a new libreoffice package is in progress (including packaging fixes from debian and updated yaru icons) [08:18] seb128, hey, it was a pretty slow and clam weekend, so quite relaxing :) [08:18] clam/calm [08:20] hey ricotz, cool, please file a UIF bug for the icon updates assuming those are ones shown by default [08:20] seb128: yeah, I'm pretty sure stable/ubuntu-20.04 isn't supposed to be on the same version as stable [08:20] which it is now [08:20] we got this on the iso build today [08:20] error: cannot validate seed: - cannot use snap "snap-store": default provider "gnome-3-28-1804" is missing [08:20] how did that happen? [08:21] the "Not/OnlyShowIn=ubuntu" stuff is just missing entirely from the desktop files [08:22] Laney, hum, why would that snap become missing? [08:22] * seb128 doesn't understand those snaps things enough :-/ [08:22] Hi Laney [08:22] Laney, the yaru icon style is already picked up in 7.0.2~rc2 by default [08:23] in "ubuntu" sessions [08:23] Laney: what does "missing" mean there? like "not installed" or "not installable" [08:23] moin duflu [08:23] ricotz: I know, but if you are changing the user interface, e.g. changing how some icons look, then you need to follow the user interface freeze process [08:24] marcustomlinson: not sure, I think that error comes from snap validate or whatever it's called, some snapd command [08:24] Laney, is there some coordinated process in https://github.com/ubuntu regarding the yaru icons? [08:25] meaning does https://github.com/ubuntu/libreoffice-style-yaru-fullcolor/commits/master follow some schedule by avoding breaking obvious things [08:25] Morning seb128! Do you know anything about https://help.ubuntu.com/activedirectory ? [08:26] ricotz: I don't know, I'm not involved with that project or pulling in its icons to Libreoffice I'm afaird [08:26] I would hope that they try to follow the release schedule and keep fixes after the freeze to necessary bug fixes [08:26] but, not sure [08:26] Laney, fair enough, I was hoping you known about the gtk yaru icon/theme [08:27] Try Trevinh_o or clobran_o [08:27] seb128: I'd like to see what's happened with the versions of snap store in each channel but I don't have admin access to that package [08:27] GunnarHj, hey, I think it's a placeholder and content will come but the ones working on active directory support are jibel and didrocks [08:27] they might know better what's the plan there [08:27] Laney, I see, thanks [08:28] marcustomlinson, neither do I :-/ can we ask on the snap store channel or something? [08:28] otherwise we need to wait for Ken to be around [08:28] Laney, ty, will wait for the package to test build first [08:28] it's also a fail that we don't have more people with access [08:29] yeah [08:31] seb128: Looks like you just pinged them. Or not - didrocks999 (Placeholder in a ubiquity translatable string is not ideal four days after NonLanguagePackTranslationDeadline.) [08:32] latest/stable: 3.28.0-19-g98f9e67.98f9e67 2020-10-11 (145) 170MB - [08:32] looks like something happened to gnome-3-28-1804 too [08:32] all very opaque though, I don't know how to diff this stuff [08:33] glib pristine-tar 9162741 Simon McVittie glib2.0_2.66.1.orig.tar.xz.delta glib2.0_2.66.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for glib2.0_2.66.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/tCPy [08:33] glib upstream/latest a72feb1 Simon McVittie * pushed 53 commits * https://deb.li/3ryM4 [08:33] ^_^ [08:33] glib tags be08820 Simon McVittie upstream/2.66.1 * Upstream version 2.66.1 * https://deb.li/y1mM [08:34] GunnarHj: sorry, I’m out of context? === didrocks999 is now known as didrocks [08:35] GunnarHj, seb128 it's a broken link that shouldn't be. I'll chase the webteam [08:35] didrocks, jibel: I asked about the URL https://help.ubuntu.com/activedirectory which is mentioned in the ubiquity UI. [08:36] jibel: I would prefer that you didn't. help.ubuntu.com is mostly handled by the docs team, and I can fix a redirect if you just tell me the target location. [08:38] GunnarHj, this is where is must redirect https://ubuntu.com/server/docs/service-sssd [08:39] it* [08:39] jibel: Ok. Let me fix that. [08:39] thanks [08:50] jibel: Done. https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-doc/help.ubuntu.com/help.ubuntu.com/revision/69/.htaccess [08:50] The web site should be updated at noon UTC. [08:54] nice, thanks GunnarHj [08:54] yw [09:34] seb128: did you understand why the branch would just disappear? [09:36] We got an upstream response on https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/issues/1454 [09:37] jamesh: saw that :) good response too [09:41] Laney, yes, sorry, was pinging about and going to update here [09:42] ok [09:42] looks like store branches expire after 30 days without activity [09:42] is that groovy problem I posted about something different or related? [09:43] unsure, the reply I got for that one was [09:43] 'On gnome-3-28-1804, there was a progressive release from r142 to r145 yesterday.' [09:43] it's unclear to me why that would trigger that error [09:43] did we get a build today as well to have data on whether it's persistant or fixed itself? [09:43] so snap store, we are fallbacking to the wrong thing [09:43] WAIT [09:44] * seb128 pauses [09:44] the build error I got was focal, not groovy, misread that [09:44] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu/ [09:44] still dunno how to parse it, but it lines up with the other problem [09:44] did ubuntu-20.04 expired for that one as well? [09:45] does anyone here has dev access to those? [09:45] I think we need Ken [09:45] yeah :- [09:45] (and then we need to review who has access to those things, the bus factor is problematic) [09:45] can you see if you try to install it? [09:45] I know it falls back to stable, but can you tell if it did that? [09:46] hm not sure that one is forked though [09:46] I don't know how to get that info [09:46] lets just try another build [09:46] thx [09:46] so snap-store [09:46] we need someone with access to republish the right version to ubuntu-20.04 [09:47] Laney: would make sense that it's "messing" in that case then yeah [09:47] missing [09:47] and then fix the fallback so it doesn't happen again [09:47] unless the iso building job enforce the channel somehow? [09:47] I've no idea how the assertion is done there [09:48] Laney: gnome-3-28-1804 stable and latest/stable/ubuntu-20.04 are at the same version [09:48] I mean, I don't know if they're supposed to be [09:48] I think the channel is supposed to be closed if unused [09:49] that means it exists as an escape hatch [09:49] but no output in the log about falling back or channel closed etc [09:49] no don't think there would be [09:50] just seemingly updates from the channel you selected even though it didn't get it from there [09:50] that's not great [09:52] that's the intent, emergency ubuntu specific revisions if needed [09:53] not sure it was envisioned to use the branch forever like snap-store does [09:53] kinda surprised this expiry never happened before, did we always do something every 30 days up until now? [09:53] It definitely wasn't. [09:53] I've rereleased the old revs for now. [09:53] Cheers [09:53] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/focal/ubuntu/+build/241389 <- watch this [09:54] But someone will need to follow up with Snap Store people so we can work out a proper solution -- this definitely isn't using the ubuntu-* branches as they were intended. [09:54] Is the lifetime configurable per-branch currently? [09:54] It [09:55] ' [09:55] s not. [09:55] righto [09:55] I guess that's something for Marcus and/or Ken to take up then in the next 30 days :> [09:55] yeah, I need to get myself admin access to that package [09:55] thanks wgrant [09:56] It should probably be something better than being a human cron job too :p [09:56] (i.e. re-releasing when needed) [09:56] For the record, I rereleased revisions 282, 467, 470 and 471 (i386, amd64, arm64 and armhf respectively). [09:58] xnox added track support to livecd-rootfs recently, so a separate track might be a better design here [09:59] Does it need explicit support? I'd expect it all just to take an opaque channel string. [10:00] The problem with tracks in general is that they usually represent a version number of the software, and are visible in `snap info`. But for some things they're okay. [10:00] It was hardcoded to the ubuntu-AB.CD schema before [10:00] I'm not sure exactly how that was relaxed [10:00] Oh, I see. [10:00] That makes a great deal of sense. [10:03] https://git.launchpad.net/livecd-rootfs/tree/live-build/functions#n643 [10:03] So yeah it can be whatever [10:04] And at this point I'll leave it up to those two to design the better answer :> [10:04] * Laney goes back to trying to hack initramfsen [10:23] Laney, ISO built worked [10:24] yep [10:24] woot [10:28] Trevinho, hey, what's the status of gnome-shell 3.38.1? release is next week and we want to do an iso testing day tomorrow, would have nice to have the update in place [10:31] seb128: it was already uploaded last saturday if I didn't get a lp error that I didn't receive email about... [10:31] see #launchpad, was my error after all, but anyways :D [10:31] Trevinho, I don't see it in the queue? [10:32] seb128: no, I wanted to rebuild it in a ppa before because there were some failures in debian so wanted to check if we had them here as well [10:32] but no.. looks like we're all green https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/4308/+packages [10:32] so I'm uploading it now [10:33] Trevinho, sorry I don't understand, they were uploaded saturday or now? [10:33] I'm not on #launchpad and irclog didn't catch up on recent comments yet I think [10:33] thanks [10:34] seb128: so... I did an upload saturday but it failed as I forgot the -sa, but I didn't any email about the failure so I thought it was all good [10:34] while it didn't. [10:34] k [10:34] weird, you should get emails in those cases [10:34] so I did it now. It's all in queue now [10:34] check your filters? [10:34] great, thx [10:34] the case you don't get emailed about is wrong key signing [10:35] seb128: yeah, already checked... [10:35] weird [10:35] but key was good and nothing was filtered [10:35] indeed [10:35] anyways, it's all in queue now [10:35] not sure if Laney can unblock them asap [10:37] you just get my standard answer for now [10:37] the queue is all reviewed very regularly :> [10:39] will do a round in a little bit [12:35] tjaalton, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#xorg-server seems unhappy, that's on your list of things to investigate? [12:35] gobject-introspection tags 689286a Simon McVittie upstream/1.66.1 * Upstream version 1.66.1 * https://deb.li/iQzA0 [12:35] gobject-introspection upstream/latest 2e32822 Simon McVittie * pushed 11 commits * https://deb.li/nadx [12:35] gobject-introspection pristine-tar 1d3031b Simon McVittie gobject-introspection_1.66.1.orig.tar.xz.delta gobject-introspection_1.66.1.orig.tar.xz.id * pristine-tar data for gobject-introspection_1.66.1.orig.tar.xz * https://deb.li/iwjgE [12:37] yes [12:39] thx [14:07] Trevinho, hi, is this something you could comment on? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1899456 [14:07] Ubuntu bug 1899456 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) " [UIFe] Update yaru icon style to 2010-10-11 (Ubuntu) " [Undecided,New] [14:08] ricotz: mh, not much... NOt that I'm following that sub-project much :) [14:10] Trevinho, maybe you have some insight on the quality of maintenance? [14:11] ricotz: no much, but maybe I can ask upstream yaru maintainers to comment on that? [14:11] Trevinho, I see, that would be great! [14:30] wgrant: Laney: default is autogenerated to stable/ubuntu-MM.YY => or in the seed, or via hook, one can specify the full channel name to use, i.e. track/risk/branch [15:06] Hey Laney, why did you skip gnome-getting-started-docs when working with the groovy queue? Was it the huge diff? [15:19] I'll get to the rest of the queue later === niko is now known as nikotine [16:02] marcustomlinson: people will get auto-refreshed back to the branch version of snap-store now it's re published won't they [16:03] Laney: yes, on the next cycle of auto-refresh [16:03] but if you's is impatient... snap refresh [16:03] :) [16:07] I don't care for me [16:07] I'm caring for people who don't even know there's a bug [16:07] sounds like they get it in