=== guiverc2 is now known as guiverc
KGB-1gdm ubuntu/master f740f4b Marco Trevisan * pushed 27 commits (first 5 follow) * https://deb.li/LuVl00:05
KGB-1gdm ubuntu/master c01efbc Simon McVittie debian/changelog * Merge branch 'debian/unstable' into debian/master * https://deb.li/31DlI00:05
KGB-1gdm ubuntu/master 88a04bb Simon McVittie debian/watch * Revert "debian/watch: Monitor unstable versions" * https://deb.li/3pxgE00:05
KGB-1gdm ubuntu/master 1d8ebd2 Simon McVittie debian/upstream/metadata * d/upstream/metadata: Add * https://deb.li/iQIIe00:05
KGB-1gdm ubuntu/master af4a4da Simon McVittie debian/changelog * Release to unstable * https://deb.li/wu5G00:05
KGB-1gdm ubuntu/master 4634783 Felix Yan daemon/gdm-x-session.c * Correct a typo in gdm-x-session.c * https://deb.li/d1Fs00:05
callmepkgood morning01:01
dufluMorning callmepk 01:05
callmepkmorning duflu 01:05
jibelGood morning04:50
callmepkhey jibel 04:59
dufluHi jibel 05:01
jibelhi duflu callmepk 05:01
ricotzgood morning desktopers!06:27
ricotzcould someone restart https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:7.0.2-0ubuntu1/+build/2014420606:28
ricotzthis looks pretty much stuck06:28
oSoMoNgood morning desktoppers06:28
ricotzoSoMoN, hey06:29
oSoMoNricotz, I just cancelled, I'll restart it06:29
ricotzoSoMoN, ty06:29
didrocksgood morning06:42
dufluMorning ricotz, oSoMoN, didrocks 06:42
didrockshey duflu 06:48
oSoMoNsalut didrocks 06:49
oSoMoNhey duflu 06:49
didrockssalut oSoMoN 06:58
marcustomlinsonmorning callmepk duflu jibel ricotz oSoMoN didrocks and ye other desktoppers07:14
dufluMorning marcustomlinson 07:15
didrockshey marcustomlinson 07:16
jibelSalut didrocks marcustomlinson and all07:32
callmepkhey marcustomlinson07:36
callmepkand morning ricotz oSoMoN duflu 07:36
dufluUmm, afternoon callmepk 07:37
duflufor both of us07:37
dufluUnless you follow https://www.google.com/search?q=universal+greeting+time07:38
didrockssalut jibel 07:39
oSoMoNgood morning marcustomlinson, salut jibel, good afternoon callmepk 07:40
seb128hey ricotz , duflu , marcustomlinson 07:41
seb128lut jibel , didrocks , oSoMoN 07:41
seb128how are you?07:41
seb128oh and hey callmepk, almost forgot you :-(07:41
jibelSalut seb128 07:42
oSoMoNsalut seb128, ça va, et toi?07:42
jibelgood as usual :)07:42
jibelready for a new release in a week07:42
dufluHi seb128 07:42
seb128oSoMoN, ça va bien, j'ai réussi à dormir jusqu'à 7h sans être réveillé et mon rhume est presque passé :-)07:44
didrockssalut seb128 07:45
callmepkduflu oops07:50
* callmepk needs more coffee07:51
Laneyhey ho08:02
seb128didrocks, jibel , oSoMoN , une idée du vocable usual pour 'directory' en context d'AD en français ?08:02
seb128les suggestions actuelles sur launchpad sont08:02
seb128 S'authentifier auprès d'un répertoire 08:02
seb128 Authentification d'après un dossier 08:03
seb128unsure translators got the 'directory' was in AD context08:03
seb128(I assume it is since it's untranslated)08:03
seb128hey Laney , how are you today?08:03
oSoMoNhey ho Laney 08:04
oSoMoNseb128, "annuaire"?08:05
didrocksI would have said annuaire as well08:06
didrocksyou say "annuaire LDAP" for instance08:06
seb128maybe it's worth adding some # gettext context next to the string next time you do an editor around there08:07
didrocksthere is no AD in that string?08:07
seb128didrocks, oSoMoN , thanks, I will go with annuaire, sounds fine to me08:07
seb128'Authenticate against a directory'08:07
seb128is the string08:07
jibelseb128, I wouldn't translate "Active Directory" it's a product. Do you have a link to the sentence that contains only "directory"?08:08
didrocksyeah, some gettext context would help08:08
jibelotherwise "Annuaire" is correct08:08
seb128jibel, https://git.launchpad.net/ubiquity/tree/debian/ubiquity.templates#n164708:10
seb128jibel, didrocks, oSoMoN , 'S'authentifier auprès d'un annuaire' ?08:11
jibelbut it doesn't really matter this string is not displayed in the UI it's just a debconf entry to store whether we use AD or not08:12
seb128ah ok08:13
jibelthe way ubiquity is done all the strings are stored in debconf and there is not really a way to distinguish what is really displayed and what is not08:13
jibelOTOH if you don't write a description in the template you're quickly lost08:14
dufluOh I forgot to look... seb128, jamesh, did you find out why pulseaudio 13.99.2 was tagged?08:24
seb128duflu, tagged you mean?08:25
dufluwhy it exists08:25
dufluThere is no recent NEWS08:25
jameshduflu: no idea.08:25
dufluMaybe I will diff it later and look for interesting things 08:25
jameshduflu: there is a release tarball at https://freedesktop.org/software/pulseaudio/releases/08:26
duflujamesh, yeah but the NEWS file is untouched08:27
dufluMaybe it will be in 14.008:27
jameshduflu: it wasn't updated for 13.99.1 either.  Perhaps due to treating them as pre-releases08:27
jameshthere's nothing in there for the 12.99.x releases either08:28
seb128duflu, I did the update in Debian and merged to Ubuntu, I used the upstream tarball08:32
seb128but I've no idea how they handle NEWS and tags08:32
seb128afaik the update is correct though08:32
dufluseb128, yeah it looks good. Just wondering why the point release now08:32
dufluI guess as a release candidate or whatever it makes sense08:33
seb128it's a new rc on their way to get a stable out08:33
seb128the changes seemed to make sense for us as well08:33
seb128mostly fixes08:33
marcustomlinsonhey jamesh08:37
jameshhi marcustomlinson 08:37
julianktkamppeter: Reading https://www.linux-magazin.de/news/ist-die-cups-entwicklung-eingeschlafen/ made me look at cups and get scared at its upstream state. Apple dumped one release on github in April and ignores anything going on in the repo. scary08:51
tkamppeterjuliank, I do not know whether you followed my weekly updates for my Canonical work, on https://discourse.ubuntu.com/c/desktop/team-updates and my monthly news posts on OpenPrinting, https://openprinting.github.io/news/ where I already mentioned the situation.08:54
julianktkamppeter: No I don't I just got scared this morning :) But I see now a https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups fork08:55
* juliank is happy08:55
tkamppeterWe (Michael Sweet and me) finally came up to do a fork of CUPS on the OpenPrinting GitHub, https://github.com/OpenPrinting/cups08:56
tkamppeterYes, you have seen it.08:56
julianktkamppeter: Yeah I found it via your openprinting link :D08:57
juliankI love how it says (temporary)08:58
juliankin the September blog post08:58
tkamppeterThere is also a thread on https://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/latest-phoronix-articles/1212363-cups-printing-system-open-source-development-has-seemingly-dried-up08:59
tkamppeterI have answered to all the doubts of the poster and the users who have answered before me.08:59
tkamppeterFor me it more and more looks like that the "(temporary)" was wrong and will disappear in later mentions on OpenPrinting ...09:00
juliankSo we'll end up with two "C"UPS09:01
juliankOne that Apple uses, and one that everyone else uses09:01
juliankIt'll be fun09:01
tkamppeterThis is currently my biggest fear, as I am already doing a lot for printing and if I also have to maintain CUPS upstream ,...09:01
tkamppeterSeems so.09:01
tkamppeterOr Apple has quit CUPS and on their new ARM Mac generation they will do without, but see on Launchpad, or on Debian, or on anybody's Raspberry Pi or other SBC, CUPS WORKS ON ARM!!09:03
tkamppeterSomething like 10 or more years ago I got a Nexus 7 tablet on a UDS, installed a complete Ubuntu Desktop on it, including CUPS and HPLIP and it printed perfectly on an HP inkjet, connected via USB OTG cable.09:04
Laneytkamppeter: I thought Mike Sweet worked for apple, or no?09:05
juliankI expect Apple builds like new printer driver framework and kills of support for old drivers one macOS release later :)09:05
juliankOr they say "screw that, we only support AirPrint now, and have a minimal thing to make that work"09:06
juliankLaney: he did until nov09:07
LaneyI see09:07
Laneyprobably a sign ;-)09:07
juliankoh dec 2009:08
jameshjuliank: didn't they already come up with a new driver framework that is essentially "implement an IPP server"?09:15
juliankjbicha: yes pappl09:15
jameshat which point your printing framework is essentially an IPP multiplexer with some queuing logic.  It's not clear how much of classic CUPS you'd need09:16
tkamppeterLaney, he left in the beginning of this year and created his own company, Lakeside Robotics in Canada, it is all about 3D printing.09:17
juliankor SUPS09:18
juliankThe simple unix printing system :D09:18
tkamppeterjamesh, yes, as Mike was still at Apple he created the idea of Printer Applications, first mention on OpenPrinting Summit April(May?) 2018.09:19
tkamppeterHe already deprecated PPD files more than 10 years ago but did not have an idea to replace them.09:19
tkamppeterWith driverles IPP printing (AirPrint is one flavor of this) he came up with Printer Applications, an IPP server on a computer (usually local) emulating an IPP network printer with all pipes and whistles (print, scan, fax, web admin).09:21
tkamppeterIn the beginning there was only printing and the web admin interface, but the PWG created also IPP Scan for driverless scanning and this made me introducing the concept of Scanner Applications and so getting a new snappable scanning architecture for Linux.09:22
tkamppeterNow to students are implementing it.09:22
tkamppeterAnd, PAPPL is not a spooler, nor a general network print server.09:23
tkamppeterPAPPL is a library for easy creation of Printer and Scanner applications.09:23
jameshRight.  But if you're not pushing IPP as the API applications use to submit jobs, it doesn't sound that crazy to replace the multiplexer/queue daemon.09:23
tkamppeterCUPS is still needed, to spool, to turn incoming PDF into the format the printer (or Printer Application) needs, shares printers on network.09:24
tkamppeterIf print dialogs would support IPP disrectly (instead of using a CUPS API) one can theoretically print without CUPS, but it is awkward, first you have no spooling, dialog blocks until printer has swallowed all the data.09:26
tkamppeterSecond, only printers or Printer Applications which accept PDF as input format will work.09:26
jameshIf the operating system's printing API involves driving a graphics context (i.e. whatever is Apple's equivalent of a cairo context), there's not much reason to go through PDF or PS as an intermediate.  You could just render straight to Apple or PWG raster09:27
jameshso the multiplexer wouldn't necessarily need to be in the business of format conversion09:28
tkamppeterWe could theoretically let print dialogs spool or output alternative formats to PDF, but this is the task of the operating system and for this the operating system Linux (and anything else which is not Mac or Windows) uses CUPS.09:28
tkamppeterAlso, who will implement changes in the print dialogs? For years I struggled with print dialog developers and GSoC students to get print dialogs simply using the latest CUPS API so that they at least support CUPS' temporary queues.09:33
tkamppeterI need volunteers!! contributors!!09:34
jameshSure.  I was more speculating about why Apple might cut CUPS loose once all the esoteric details were hidden behind the printer application framework09:40
Laneyanyone remember if there is a gsetting or something to disable the suspend option? something something logind?11:31
Laneyapparently the pi allows you to suspend but that breaks it, would like to at least turn off the options11:31
seb128Laney, try https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit/+bug/1300460/comments/3 ?11:36
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1310845 in systemd (Ubuntu) "duplicate for #1300460 systemd-logind is not honoring polickykit rules for suspend/reboot/shutdown" [Undecided,Invalid]11:36
Laneythanks seb128!12:00
seb128Laney, np!12:01
waveformLaney, that works very nicely! (even seemed to work *before* a reboot)12:06
Laneywaveform: nice12:12
Laneycan you do a merge proposal for https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+git/ubuntu-settings to add those?12:12
waveformLaney, will do12:12
hellsworthgood morning desktopers13:57
oSoMoNgood morning hellsworth 13:57
kenvandinegood morning hellsworth 13:58
hellsworthhi there oSoMoN , kenvandine :)13:58
seb128hey Heather! how are you?13:59
jibelGood morning hellsworth 14:00
hellswortho/ seb128 jibel i'm good thanks :)14:01
KGB-0gdm ubuntu/master ec9e9f7 Marco Trevisan (Treviño) debian/changelog * Update changelog * https://deb.li/3VX2014:13
marcustomlinsonhey hellsworth and kenvandine14:17
hellsworthsup marcustomlinson 14:17
waveformLaney, as requested - https://code.launchpad.net/~waveform/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-settings/+git/ubuntu-settings/+merge/39223715:01
Laneymerci merci15:04
Laneywaveform: you mentioned some other uploads, are you ok for sponsorship for those e.g. from sil2100?15:06
waveformyes - I've got the flash-kernel one ready ... erm ... <goes looking>15:09
seb128waveform, you have a netplan change in there that seems unrelated?15:24
waveformseb128, ah I must've left in my confused "what is that operator?" experiment - it's a null-change - doesn't affect the built deb15:25
seb128right, still it's a different logical change and is undocumented15:25
waveformI'll push a commit updating the changelog - thanks15:25
waveformdone - do you need me to rebuild the test package in the PPA or is the MP enough?15:27
seb128the MP is enough15:29
seb128well, I trust it is, I was not going to sponsor but I'm just sil2100  or Laney  whoever does the sponsoring don't need the ppa15:29
Laneyyeah, not needed15:30
Laneyusing the / operator there is really not necessary, it would be ok to drop it in a separate commit if you wanted (but fine either way)15:31
waveformyeah - I've never used meson so I was mostly interested in exactly what it did, but also why it was different from the subsequent line so tried a test build with it changed to a regular string while I went digging into the docs for the "Right Way (tm)" to do things in meson15:33
waveform(and was then amused to learn it's literally just (paraphrasing) "inserts a / on all platforms" - so not even python's /-operator in pathlib :)15:34
Laneyit's nice if one side of it is a variable15:39
waveformcertainly, especially if you're not sure about "/" prefixes or suffixes in the things being joined15:47
juliankSo, custom keybindings are lost in GNOME right now from time to time, like they're not reapplied after screen lock or sth15:59
juliankDo you guys know a bug report for that already?15:59
juliankoh this I guess https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/189372916:00
ubot5Ubuntu bug 1893729 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "Keyboard shortcuts stop working" [Critical,Confirmed]16:00
juliankbut I thought I reverted16:00
juliankit's at 3.38 now16:00
LaneyIt's not that, that was a mismatch between different GNOME components, doesn't happen now they are all in sync16:02
Laneythat particular bug should be closed16:02
Laneywaveform: I'm going to just tweak your MP to follow https://www.freedesktop.org/software/polkit/docs/0.105/pklocalauthority.8.html and install to /var/lib/polkit-1/localauthority/10-vendor.d/ but then I will upload16:27
waveformLaney, okay - thanks!16:30
* ricotz eyes on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/1:7.0.2-0ubuntu1/+build/2014420619:13
ricotzthis flaky test is not meant to fail on this arch :\ -- could someone retry it, please ^19:15
ginggsricotz: .19:30
ricotzginggs, cheers19:31
ginggsricotz: yw!19:41

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