[09:35] <pjotter> Opening a terminal on a symlink-directory cause the terminal to resolve and show the complete url before the prompt. Is there a way to make the terminal not do that and justr show the original symlink?
[11:38] <xu-irc16w> Hello can someone help me with my very slow boot(More than 1 mintue) problem. i3 4th gen 8gb RAM and 500gb HDD fresh install of xubuntu. Default install erase disc was used no error in installation
[11:38] <diogenes_> xu-irc16w, what OS you have used before and was it faster?
[11:39] <xu-irc16w> Windows 10. It takes 15seconds to boot into
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> xu-irc16w: a 1 minute boot time on a HDD seems rather quick to be honest
[11:39] <pmjdebruijn> or did you mean an SSD?
[11:40] <xu-irc16w> HDD only.
[11:40] <xu-irc16w> Not SSD
[11:40] <xu-irc16w> Is linux slow on HDD ?
[11:41] <pmjdebruijn> not particularly
[11:41] <pmjdebruijn> HDD are terribly slow in general
[11:41] <xu-irc16w> I thought linux was supposed to be faster than windows. Never have experienced this much slow boot.
[11:41] <pmjdebruijn> OS A is faster than OS B, is generally speaking a nonsensical statement
[11:42] <xu-irc16w> pmjdebruijn: HDD were standard for these many years right ? People waited 1minute to boot up in linux
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> xu-irc16w: of course
[11:42] <pmjdebruijn> linux used to actually boot extremely slow, much slower than windows
[11:43] <pmjdebruijn> but that's not longer been true for many years, at least not in a significant way
[11:43] <xu-irc16w> Oh I didn't know about this.
[11:43] <pmjdebruijn> on any particular computer either might be marginically quicker
[11:44] <pmjdebruijn> HDDs have been the main bottleneck in "general feeling of performance" of desktops for basically ever
[11:44] <xu-irc16w> But 1minute plus for boot on a system that used to boot less than 30secs is bad right ?
[11:44] <pmjdebruijn> no particularly
[11:44] <pmjdebruijn> what do you mean with "used to be less than 30secs" with what?
[11:45] <pmjdebruijn> boot*
[11:45] <xu-irc16w> Windows System used to boot less than 30seconds
[11:45] <pmjdebruijn> Which version, XP ?
[11:45] <xu-irc16w> Windows 10
[11:46] <pmjdebruijn> well maybe MS improved boot times for 10 again, I don't know
[11:47] <xu-irc16w> On my VM xubuntu boots up fast on a different system but on HDD ofcourse
[11:47] <pmjdebruijn> regardless it's not something you should really worry about
[11:47] <pmjdebruijn> bootup time in VMs are misleading, given that the host OS, potentially has data cached
[11:47] <xu-irc16w> Anyway to speed up to boot on xubuntu
[11:47] <xu-irc16w> I googled and a lot of them are getting 30seconds or so
[11:48] <pmjdebruijn> xu-irc16w: I doubt those are on HHDs
[11:49] <pmjdebruijn> my system boots up in maybe 15 seconds, but that's on an NVME SSD
[11:49] <xu-irc16w> Okay cool. I have this another weird problem.
[11:50] <pmjdebruijn> okay?
[11:50] <xu-irc16w> When I use backspace or arrow keys and hold down it. It moves one by one it doesn't accelerate like it would on windows. how to change this behaviour
[11:50] <pmjdebruijn> btw, the main issue these days, is that few people are still using HDDs in their computers, so most people have at least a cheapo SSD, when they're talking about they desktop
[11:51] <pmjdebruijn> no clue sorry
[11:51] <pmjdebruijn> I never really thought that was a good idea to begin with
[11:52] <pmjdebruijn> but in preferences there is a bunch of stuff you can change
[11:52] <diogenes_> xu-irc16w, in terminal run: systemd-analyze blame | nc termbin.com 9999
[11:52] <diogenes_> share the url
[11:52] <pmjdebruijn> oh I forgot about that
[11:52] <pmjdebruijn> xu-irc16w: look under settigns -> keyboard
[11:53] <pmjdebruijn> but I don't see any nonlinear acceleration there
[11:53] <xu-irc16w> gdiogenes_ https://termbin.com/2g7i
[11:54] <xu-irc16w> I also checked under keyboard settings
[11:55] <xu-irc16w> Didn't find any related setting
[11:55] <diogenes_> xu-irc16w, wow man-db.service and snapd.service take up over 1 minute of your boot time.
[11:56] <xu-irc16w> :(
[11:56] <xu-irc16w> What to do ?
[11:57] <xu-irc16w> It was networkmanager.service in previous boot
[11:57] <xu-irc16w> That took up 30seconds or so
[12:00] <pmjdebruijn> xu-irc16w: you may want to check smartctl -a /dev/sda (presumably sda is your harddisk)
[12:00] <pmjdebruijn> same goes for 'dmesg -T | grep sda'
[12:01] <diogenes_> you can disable those also add fsck.mode=skip to grub boot options.
[12:02] <xu-irc16w> Fri Oct 16 16:32:09 2020] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] 976773168 512-byte logical blocks: (500 GB/466 GiB)[Fri Oct 16 16:32:09 2020] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write Protect is off[Fri Oct 16 16:32:09 2020] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Mode Sense: 00 3a 00 00[Fri Oct 16 16:32:09 2020] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA[Fri Oct
[12:02] <xu-irc16w> 16 16:32:09 2020]  sda: sda1 sda2 < sda5 >[Fri Oct 16 16:32:09 2020] sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk[Fri Oct 16 16:32:10 2020] EXT4-fs (sda5): mounted filesystem with ordered data mode. Opts: (null)[Fri Oct 16 16:32:15 2020] EXT4-fs (sda5): re-mounted. Opts: errors=remount-ro
[12:03] <xu-irc16w> I will paste in that link and send sorry
[12:03] <pmjdebruijn> :)
[12:05] <xu-irc16w> https://termbin.com/7oey
[12:06] <xu-irc16w> https://termbin.com/ybn2
[12:07] <pmjdebruijn> you'll need to sudo the smartctl thing
[12:14] <ijf8090> Hi I volunteer for an organization that refurbishes old computers and re-distributes them to needy families and organizations. We install Xubuntu 18.04 and run Software Updater. Yesterday we noticed that the displayed clock time was not showing the correct time zone. This is new behavior, it occurs on at least three different PCs - Dell, Lenovo,
[12:14] <ijf8090> HP. The CMOS clock is correct, the PC is connected to the internet.  I have not yet found a consistent fix, running s/w update or adding %Z to the clock settings sometimes works. Looking for suggestions on how to debug.
[12:23] <xu-irc16w> sorry about the delay. Here is the link https://termbin.com/ma68k
[12:23] <xu-irc16w> i have run it via sudo
[12:26] <xu-irc16w> diogenes_: you can disable those also add fsck.mode=skip to grub boot options. i have to just add it to /etc/default/grub right ?
[12:27] <diogenes_> in /etc/default/grub to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="fsck.mode=skip quiet splash" and run: sudo update-grub
[12:28] <xu-irc16w> Thank you so much <3
[12:28] <xu-irc16w> Can i restart and see if any changes has happened will this chat go away :(
[12:29] <xu-irc16w> I am really new to this. Sorry about dumb questions.
[12:29] <diogenes_> xu-irc16w, if you use hexchat then you will see the last chat when you join in again.
[12:31] <xu-irc16w> I used one from browser xubuntu.org/irc
[12:31] <xu-irc16w> I will restart and join again.
[12:31] <diogenes_> then i suppose it won't be preserved.
[12:32] <xu-irc16w> No problem i copied all text
[12:37] <tomreyn> ijf8090: get and compare timedatectl output on those systems and systems which behave as expected.
[12:42] <Remo> diogenes_ i updated grub and restarted but now still slow :(
[12:43] <diogenes_> Remo, did you disable mandb and snapd services?
[12:44] <Remo> I added that line in grub. I am not sure how to disable mandb and snapd service. I am very much new to this sorry :(
[12:44] <Remo> mandb is not showing up in that systemd-analyze blame
[12:44] <Remo> snapd is there it takes 37seconds
[12:44] <Remo> https://termbin.com/n5cx
[12:44] <Remo> Latest
[12:45] <pmjdebruijn> btw, is your system fully updated?
[12:45] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: do you have 'sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda' for me, just to make sure... ?
[12:45] <Remo> sudo apt-get update right for system update ? I did it once installing system which was yesterday. And once before joining chat
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> update merely updates the indexes, it doesn't update any actual software
[12:46] <pmjdebruijn> otherwise you might be running into a bug that might have been fixed a long time ago
[12:47] <Remo> https://termbin.com/4kdh latest smartctl for you.
[12:47] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: your disk might be in the initial stages of dying
[12:49] <Remo> I have updated it dist-upgrade
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: just now? if so, trying rebooting again
[12:49] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: but that smart output is worrying
[12:50] <Remo> yes. I will reboot now. What is it saying ? I am not understand it
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> a looks like your disk is experience some errors now and then
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> and more frequently than it should
[12:50] <pmjdebruijn> I'm not an expert on SMART either
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> but it MIGHT explain some of the performance issues you're seeing
[12:51] <Remo> Okay. So I will run Seagate Diagnostics later on it. If it comes out bad i will replace it. I will restart now to check.
[12:51] <pmjdebruijn> it's hard to say for sure
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: seagate diagnostics won't tell you anything for sure either
[12:52] <Remo> :(
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> if that were my disk, I would replace it
[12:52] <Remo> Okay I will replace it.
[12:52] <pmjdebruijn> I'm saying I would
[12:53] <Remo> how to disable that snapd
[12:53] <pmjdebruijn> if you run seagate diagnostics, and it tells you the disk is bad then it's probably bad
[12:53] <pmjdebruijn> if you run seagate diagnostics, and it tells you the disk is not bed, it might just not be bad enough yet
[12:54] <Remo> Okay I will check it. I have another drive fail on me after seagate told me SHORTDST fail
[12:54] <Remo> So I wont take chances
[12:55] <Remo> I will restart now disabled snapd from session and startup
[13:02] <pmjdebruijn> welcome back
[13:03] <Remo> Hello :)
[13:03] <Remo> No luck pmjdebruijn
[13:04] <Remo> Startup finished in 3.242s (kernel) + 1min 4.567s (userspace) = 1min 7.809s
[13:04] <Remo> graphical.target reached after 1min 4.553s in userspace
[13:04] <pmjdebruijn> btw, _IF_ you decide the replacement the disk, now might be worth looking into SSDs, given that a 500GB isn't _that_ much more expensive than a 500G HDD
[13:04] <pmjdebruijn> Remo: _IF_ your disk is the problem, nothing you do in the OS will ever really solve the issue though
[13:05] <Remo> Yes that is true. I will look into this. this system is for my parents
[13:06] <pmjdebruijn> an SSD also will make the system _much_ more pleasant to use
[13:06] <pmjdebruijn> but ultimately it's your decision of course
[13:07] <Remo> Yes i have it on my main system its good
[13:12] <Remo> For the time being I will just continue using and learning the system. Not poke around. Thank you so much guys for help and advice. really appreciate it. <3
[13:13] <pmjdebruijn> good luck
[13:23] <miu5> Hi guys, Is kerneloops part of Xubuntu??  why i suddenly saw it in my process list "kerneloops --test"
[13:24] <pmjdebruijn> seems so
[13:27] <miu5> pmjdebruijn,  can you uninstall it?
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[13:29] <pmjdebruijn> not really sure why you'd want to though
[13:31] <miu5> im not sure why it would fire up on its own automatically to report kernel issues, users should be able to opt in for that if they choose.
[13:32] <pmjdebruijn> miu5: see /etc/kerneloops.conf
[13:33] <pmjdebruijn> miu5: that's already the case
[13:33] <pmjdebruijn> kerneloops runs to collect the information, so you can choose after whether to submit it or not
[13:37] <miu5> pmjdebruijn, i see. in my process list i had it as "kerneloops --test"   - what does that mean?
[13:39] <pmjdebruijn> no clue
[13:39] <pmjdebruijn> isn't there a man page?
[13:39] <pmjdebruijn> miu5: I'm merely googling while you ask things
[13:44] <miu5> pmjdebruijn, https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man8/kerneloops.8.html
[13:44] <miu5> but it doesnt show the in-file properties
[13:45] <pmjdebruijn> ok
[13:45] <pmjdebruijn> sorry I don't anything more
[13:45] <pmjdebruijn> know*
[13:46] <pmjdebruijn> keep in mind that's probably a general ubuntu thing, not specific to xubuntu
[13:51] <miu5> nowhere can i find what the option "--test" does exactly.   I havent got any report from kerneloops, nor /var/log/dmesg.  I would understand if the "kerneloops" runs in the process list as is, but what the heck is the --test for
[13:54] <pmjdebruijn> miu5: have you check the sources?
[14:46] <nikolay> dear all , how i can will change unlock window on xubuntu 20.04  ?
[14:48] <Maik> iirc xubuntu uses lightdm so install lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings
[14:49] <Maik> there you can configure the login screen to your liking with fonts, themes, icons etc.
[14:51] <nikolay>  lightdm-gtk-greeter-settings only changed logon window , but not chanding unlock window, where may be this problem  ?
[14:52] <Maik> oh, the lock screen... that i don't know
[17:08] <Guest65298> How to delete the user login
[17:08] <Guest65298> ?
[17:15] <siculus> Hi please help me...i need to delete the login user window at start...