| madprops | what do you think of snaps? | 00:29 |
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| madprops | should they easily allow disabling auto-updates? | 00:29 |
| madprops | personally, i think unplanned auto-updates can be unfortunate, like when playing online games | 00:30 |
| tomreyn | i like to be able to choose when and whether updates install, and i don't like how the snap store mixes vetted (with an undefined vetting process) packages and unvette dones | 00:32 |
| tomreyn | *un-vetted ones | 00:33 |
| tomreyn | s/undefined/undocumented/ | 00:33 |
| tomreyn | generally, snaps are a great concept, and the implementation si, too, except for how it's being pushed as a centralized system / app-store, mixing open source and proprietary software, and becoming the primary software source for desktop systems | 00:34 |
| tomreyn | which it really shouldn't be, it's as bad an idea as making PPAs the default package source | 00:35 |
| tomreyn | well, almost | 00:35 |
| TJ- | not just desktops either; lxd is only available as a snap unless you build it yourself | 00:35 |
| tomreyn | and the server installer recommends installing snaps at the end of the installation process | 00:36 |
| madprops | i mostly find snaps to be useful. but it's weird that they don't allow a simple way to not auto-update, and let the user update when they see fit, it seems like the logical thing to do | 00:50 |
| tomreyn | there's a widespread trend to shift control over what runs on systems from the hands of a system administrator to those of the software developer, nowadays. | 00:56 |
| tomreyn | especially on closed / managed platforms | 00:56 |
| madprops | that sounds very intrusive, the user should be ultimately the boss | 01:02 |
| madprops | because well, it's their computer | 01:16 |
| lotuspsychje | good morning to all | 03:07 |
| ducasse | good morning | 06:30 |
| hwpplayer1 | hi | 13:19 |
| hwpplayer1 | finally finished my setup for a developer client. From now on i'll just make backups and push commits to cloud/git instances. What i wrote on #ubuntu | 13:20 |
| hwpplayer1 | Yeah discuss channel is better thanks | 13:20 |
| hwpplayer1 | lotuspsychje: ^ Thanks | 13:21 |
| lotuspsychje | welcome | 13:22 |
| Franciman | lotuspsychje, sorry I was angry :P | 13:34 |
| Franciman | because I have a wifi problem which doesn't happen on ubuntu, but on otherdistros it does | 13:34 |
| hwpplayer1 | Franciman: Do not forget community comes first | 13:34 |
| lotuspsychje | Franciman: you can cool down your anger on this answer; https://askubuntu.com/questions/368817/what-to-do-with-private-bug-reports-on-launchpad | 13:34 |
| Franciman | and I can't understand what happens for a month now | 13:34 |
| hwpplayer1 | Franciman: Did you read our code of conduct ? lotuspsychje is it the right place to talk about Code of Conduct ? | 13:37 |
| lotuspsychje | hwpplayer1: you can talk anything related to ubuntu in this channel | 13:38 |
| Franciman | hwpplayer1, no, but I don't mean to discuss or accuse anybody | 13:38 |
| Franciman | no problem | 13:38 |
| Franciman | I just said that ubuntu is a malware that should be destroyed :P | 13:39 |
| Franciman | n | 13:39 |
| Franciman | it's false | 13:39 |
| Maik | not very polite and mature imo, also leans towards trolling behaviour so you should be careful of what you say in any of the ubuntu channels | 13:40 |
| Franciman | thanks lotuspsychje I'll lose my faith in solving this problem | 13:40 |
| Franciman | ofc | 13:41 |
| hwpplayer1 | Malware is malware, which you can not remove/purge/delete/destroy, in other words backdoor. Ubuntu and Canonical has a strategy like others. That's all | 13:41 |
| Franciman | sorry for everything | 13:41 |
| hwpplayer1 | No need to be sad | 13:41 |
| Franciman | I am, because I am stuck with a software I can't predict why it is failing | 13:41 |
| Franciman | and a software which doesn't fail but obscures its reasons | 13:42 |
| hwpplayer1 | Even you have source, sometimes you can not easily understand what is going on | 13:42 |
| Franciman | true | 13:42 |
| Franciman | well thanks, ttyl | 13:43 |
| hwpplayer1 | Franciman: Do you want to learn programming ? | 13:43 |
| Franciman | yes, why? | 13:43 |
| Franciman | i wnted to install a free-er distro like debian | 13:44 |
| hwpplayer1 | Franciman: I guess it will help you to run any software with a better and better consciousness | 13:44 |
| Franciman | but wifi fails | 13:44 |
| hwpplayer1 | Start with Ubuntu | 13:44 |
| Franciman | I think that ubuntu also fails, it's dell's version of ubuntu | 13:45 |
| Franciman | which obscures things | 13:45 |
| hwpplayer1 | That's why i have offered learning programming | 13:45 |
| jeremy31 | Franciman: Dell has a repository of there own | 13:45 |
| hwpplayer1 | What is that Canonical Partners' source repository option ? | 13:46 |
| Franciman | I shall look up further | 13:46 |
| Franciman | gtg, bye thanks | 13:47 |
| hwpplayer1 | bye Franciman | 13:47 |
| Maik | hwpplayer1: https://askubuntu.com/a/432152 | 13:47 |
| hwpplayer1 | Maik: Thanks | 13:48 |
| Maik | yw | 13:48 |
| lotuspsychje | hggdh: could you convert to a wishlist please,tnx https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweaks/+bug/1900323 | 15:38 |
| lotuspsychje | anyone wants to support my wish, feel free to affect^ | 15:39 |
| Maik | and bring back the ubuntu icon too placed on top of the dock instead of the grid looking square at the bottom | 15:46 |
| lotuspsychje | hehe | 15:46 |
| Maik | Or.... bring back Unity 7 | 15:47 |
| Maik | :D | 15:47 |
| lotuspsychje | : ) | 15:47 |
| Maik | lotuspsychje: supported your wish | 15:48 |
| lotuspsychje | ty Maik | 15:48 |
| Maik | yw | 15:48 |
| tomreyn | i'm not sure this does what you're looking for, and it's also not directly integrated in gnome-tweaks: there is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/21/workspace-indicator/ which is also installed as part of the gnome-shell-extensions package | 15:55 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: thank you, im aware of the existing extensions currently im using workspaces to dock extension, living on the repos but its not as direct as the unity wish one | 15:56 |
| Maik | tomreyn: this is what he would like to see: https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/03/switching-between-workspaces-with-a-keyboard-shortcut-100572256-orig.jpg | 15:57 |
| Maik | last icon | 15:58 |
| Maik | the workspace switcher like in unity | 15:58 |
| lotuspsychje | Maik: i found a bug similar to one what you wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1707831 | 16:00 |
| Maik | that's from 17.10... lol | 16:01 |
| lotuspsychje | Maik: on wishlists the release is not always relevant, could live across several other releases | 16:03 |
| Maik | roger | 16:04 |
| tomreyn | ok, i see | 16:07 |
| lotuspsychje | tomreyn: i found the dconf value on unity, but i dont see how to get it on gnome | 16:08 |
| tomreyn | lotuspsychje: i would not know :-/ | 16:08 |
| lotuspsychje | probably hardcoded in unity/compiz | 16:09 |
| lotuspsychje | and another wishlist bug me and sonicwind wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1900339 | 16:19 |
| lotuspsychje | feel free to also affect it | 16:19 |
| tomreyn | effectively, i think most of those will need to be filed upstream, really. | 16:25 |
| daftykins | isn't there a keyboard shortcut like on Kubuntu? to get to shutdown options | 16:29 |
| daftykins | not a lot of sympathy for those that stay on the mouse :) | 16:29 |
| lotuspsychje | daftykins: there was on unity, shutdown and reboot icons | 16:30 |
| daftykins | no i'm saying a keyboard combo, like ctrl+alt+del bringing up the shutdown dialogue | 16:31 |
| lotuspsychje | lemme check that | 16:31 |
| daftykins | you don't need instantly clickable icons | 16:31 |
| lotuspsychje | ctrl alt del yeah, but thats to logout only | 16:32 |
| lotuspsychje | shutdown/reboot arent among the hotkeys here so it seems | 16:33 |
| daftykins | right but maybe there's another, because that's what it is for Kubuntu - no idea with gnome3 | 16:33 |
| oerheks | 0/clear | 17:45 |
| Maik | toast smelling alert | 17:49 |
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