[00:29] what do you think of snaps? [00:29] should they easily allow disabling auto-updates? [00:30] personally, i think unplanned auto-updates can be unfortunate, like when playing online games [00:32] i like to be able to choose when and whether updates install, and i don't like how the snap store mixes vetted (with an undefined vetting process) packages and unvette dones [00:33] *un-vetted ones [00:33] s/undefined/undocumented/ [00:34] generally, snaps are a great concept, and the implementation si, too, except for how it's being pushed as a centralized system / app-store, mixing open source and proprietary software, and becoming the primary software source for desktop systems [00:35] which it really shouldn't be, it's as bad an idea as making PPAs the default package source [00:35] well, almost [00:35] not just desktops either; lxd is only available as a snap unless you build it yourself [00:36] and the server installer recommends installing snaps at the end of the installation process [00:50] i mostly find snaps to be useful. but it's weird that they don't allow a simple way to not auto-update, and let the user update when they see fit, it seems like the logical thing to do [00:56] there's a widespread trend to shift control over what runs on systems from the hands of a system administrator to those of the software developer, nowadays. [00:56] especially on closed / managed platforms [01:02] that sounds very intrusive, the user should be ultimately the boss [01:16] because well, it's their computer [03:07] good morning to all [06:30] good morning [13:19] hi [13:20] finally finished my setup for a developer client. From now on i'll just make backups and push commits to cloud/git instances. What i wrote on #ubuntu [13:20] Yeah discuss channel is better thanks [13:21] lotuspsychje: ^ Thanks [13:22] welcome [13:34] lotuspsychje, sorry I was angry :P [13:34] because I have a wifi problem which doesn't happen on ubuntu, but on otherdistros it does [13:34] Franciman: Do not forget community comes first [13:34] Franciman: you can cool down your anger on this answer; https://askubuntu.com/questions/368817/what-to-do-with-private-bug-reports-on-launchpad [13:34] and I can't understand what happens for a month now [13:37] Franciman: Did you read our code of conduct ? lotuspsychje is it the right place to talk about Code of Conduct ? [13:38] hwpplayer1: you can talk anything related to ubuntu in this channel [13:38] hwpplayer1, no, but I don't mean to discuss or accuse anybody [13:38] no problem [13:39] I just said that ubuntu is a malware that should be destroyed :P [13:39] n [13:39] it's false [13:40] not very polite and mature imo, also leans towards trolling behaviour so you should be careful of what you say in any of the ubuntu channels [13:40] thanks lotuspsychje I'll lose my faith in solving this problem [13:41] ofc [13:41] Malware is malware, which you can not remove/purge/delete/destroy, in other words backdoor. Ubuntu and Canonical has a strategy like others. That's all [13:41] sorry for everything [13:41] No need to be sad [13:41] I am, because I am stuck with a software I can't predict why it is failing [13:42] and a software which doesn't fail but obscures its reasons [13:42] Even you have source, sometimes you can not easily understand what is going on [13:42] true [13:43] well thanks, ttyl [13:43] Franciman: Do you want to learn programming ? [13:43] yes, why? [13:44] i wnted to install a free-er distro like debian [13:44] Franciman: I guess it will help you to run any software with a better and better consciousness [13:44] but wifi fails [13:44] Start with Ubuntu [13:45] I think that ubuntu also fails, it's dell's version of ubuntu [13:45] which obscures things [13:45] That's why i have offered learning programming [13:45] Franciman: Dell has a repository of there own [13:46] What is that Canonical Partners' source repository option ? [13:46] I shall look up further [13:47] gtg, bye thanks [13:47] bye Franciman [13:47] hwpplayer1: https://askubuntu.com/a/432152 [13:48] Maik: Thanks [13:48] yw [15:38] hggdh: could you convert to a wishlist please,tnx https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweaks/+bug/1900323 [15:39] anyone wants to support my wish, feel free to affect^ [15:46] and bring back the ubuntu icon too placed on top of the dock instead of the grid looking square at the bottom [15:46] hehe [15:47] Or.... bring back Unity 7 [15:47] :D [15:47] : ) [15:48] lotuspsychje: supported your wish [15:48] ty Maik [15:48] yw [15:55] i'm not sure this does what you're looking for, and it's also not directly integrated in gnome-tweaks: there is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/21/workspace-indicator/ which is also installed as part of the gnome-shell-extensions package [15:56] tomreyn: thank you, im aware of the existing extensions currently im using workspaces to dock extension, living on the repos but its not as direct as the unity wish one [15:57] tomreyn: this is what he would like to see: https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/03/switching-between-workspaces-with-a-keyboard-shortcut-100572256-orig.jpg [15:58] last icon [15:58] the workspace switcher like in unity [16:00] Maik: i found a bug similar to one what you wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1707831 [16:01] that's from 17.10... lol [16:03] Maik: on wishlists the release is not always relevant, could live across several other releases [16:04] roger [16:07] ok, i see [16:08] tomreyn: i found the dconf value on unity, but i dont see how to get it on gnome [16:08] lotuspsychje: i would not know :-/ [16:09] probably hardcoded in unity/compiz [16:19] and another wishlist bug me and sonicwind wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1900339 [16:19] feel free to also affect it [16:25] effectively, i think most of those will need to be filed upstream, really. [16:29] isn't there a keyboard shortcut like on Kubuntu? to get to shutdown options [16:29] not a lot of sympathy for those that stay on the mouse :) [16:30] daftykins: there was on unity, shutdown and reboot icons [16:31] no i'm saying a keyboard combo, like ctrl+alt+del bringing up the shutdown dialogue [16:31] lemme check that [16:31] you don't need instantly clickable icons [16:32] ctrl alt del yeah, but thats to logout only [16:33] shutdown/reboot arent among the hotkeys here so it seems [16:33] right but maybe there's another, because that's what it is for Kubuntu - no idea with gnome3 [17:45] 0/clear [17:49] toast smelling alert