[00:29] <madprops> what do you think of snaps?
[00:29] <madprops> should they easily allow disabling auto-updates?
[00:30] <madprops> personally, i think unplanned auto-updates can be unfortunate, like when playing online games
[00:32] <tomreyn> i like to be able to choose when and whether updates install, and i don't like how the snap store mixes vetted (with an undefined vetting process) packages and unvette dones
[00:33] <tomreyn> *un-vetted ones
[00:33] <tomreyn> s/undefined/undocumented/
[00:34] <tomreyn> generally, snaps are a great concept, and the implementation si, too, except for how it's being pushed as a centralized system / app-store, mixing open source and proprietary software, and becoming the primary software source for desktop systems
[00:35] <tomreyn> which it really shouldn't be, it's as bad an idea as making PPAs the default package source
[00:35] <tomreyn> well, almost
[00:35] <TJ-> not just desktops either; lxd is only available as a snap unless you build it yourself
[00:36] <tomreyn> and the server installer recommends installing snaps at the end of the installation process
[00:50] <madprops> i mostly find snaps to be useful. but it's weird that they don't allow a simple way to not auto-update, and let the user update when they see fit, it seems like the logical thing to do
[00:56] <tomreyn> there's a widespread trend to shift control over what runs on systems from the hands of a system administrator to those of the software developer, nowadays.
[00:56] <tomreyn> especially on closed / managed platforms
[01:02] <madprops> that sounds very intrusive, the user should be ultimately the boss
[01:16] <madprops> because well, it's their computer
[03:07] <lotuspsychje> good morning to all
[06:30] <ducasse> good morning
[13:19] <hwpplayer1> hi
[13:20] <hwpplayer1> finally finished my setup for a developer client. From now on i'll just make backups and push commits to cloud/git instances. What i wrote on #ubuntu
[13:20] <hwpplayer1> Yeah discuss channel is better thanks
[13:21] <hwpplayer1> lotuspsychje: ^ Thanks
[13:22] <lotuspsychje> welcome
[13:34] <Franciman> lotuspsychje, sorry I was angry :P
[13:34] <Franciman> because I have a wifi problem which doesn't happen on ubuntu, but on otherdistros it does
[13:34] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: Do not forget community comes first
[13:34] <lotuspsychje> Franciman: you can cool down your anger on this answer; https://askubuntu.com/questions/368817/what-to-do-with-private-bug-reports-on-launchpad
[13:34] <Franciman> and I can't understand what happens for a month now
[13:37] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: Did you read our code of conduct ? lotuspsychje is it the right place to talk about Code of Conduct ?
[13:38] <lotuspsychje> hwpplayer1: you can talk anything related to ubuntu in this channel
[13:38] <Franciman> hwpplayer1, no, but I don't mean to discuss or accuse anybody
[13:38] <Franciman> no problem
[13:39] <Franciman> I just said that ubuntu is a malware that should be destroyed :P
[13:39] <Franciman> n
[13:39] <Franciman> it's false
[13:40] <Maik> not very polite and mature imo, also leans towards trolling behaviour so you should be careful of what you say in any of the ubuntu channels
[13:40] <Franciman> thanks lotuspsychje I'll lose my faith in solving this problem
[13:41] <Franciman> ofc
[13:41] <hwpplayer1> Malware is malware, which you can not remove/purge/delete/destroy, in other words backdoor. Ubuntu and Canonical has a strategy like others. That's all
[13:41] <Franciman> sorry for everything
[13:41] <hwpplayer1> No need to be sad
[13:41] <Franciman> I am, because I am stuck with a software I can't predict why it is failing
[13:42] <Franciman> and a software which doesn't fail but obscures its reasons
[13:42] <hwpplayer1> Even you have source, sometimes you can not easily understand what is going on
[13:42] <Franciman> true
[13:43] <Franciman> well thanks, ttyl
[13:43] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: Do you want to learn programming ?
[13:43] <Franciman> yes, why?
[13:44] <Franciman> i wnted to install a free-er distro like debian
[13:44] <hwpplayer1> Franciman: I guess it will help you to run any software with a better and better consciousness
[13:44] <Franciman> but wifi fails
[13:44] <hwpplayer1> Start with Ubuntu
[13:45] <Franciman> I think that ubuntu also fails, it's dell's version of ubuntu
[13:45] <Franciman> which obscures things
[13:45] <hwpplayer1> That's why i have offered learning programming
[13:45] <jeremy31> Franciman: Dell has a repository of there own
[13:46] <hwpplayer1> What is that Canonical Partners' source repository option ?
[13:46] <Franciman> I shall look up further
[13:47] <Franciman> gtg, bye thanks
[13:47] <hwpplayer1> bye Franciman
[13:47] <Maik> hwpplayer1: https://askubuntu.com/a/432152
[13:48] <hwpplayer1> Maik: Thanks
[13:48] <Maik> yw
[15:38] <lotuspsychje> hggdh: could you convert to a wishlist please,tnx https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-tweaks/+bug/1900323
[15:39] <lotuspsychje> anyone wants to support my wish, feel free to affect^
[15:46] <Maik> and bring back the ubuntu icon too placed on top of the dock instead of the grid looking square at the bottom
[15:46] <lotuspsychje> hehe
[15:47] <Maik> Or.... bring back Unity 7
[15:47] <Maik> :D
[15:47] <lotuspsychje> : )
[15:48] <Maik> lotuspsychje: supported your wish
[15:48] <lotuspsychje> ty Maik
[15:48] <Maik> yw
[15:55] <tomreyn> i'm not sure this does what you're looking for, and it's also not directly integrated in gnome-tweaks: there is https://extensions.gnome.org/extension/21/workspace-indicator/ which is also installed as part of the gnome-shell-extensions package
[15:56] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: thank you, im aware of the existing extensions currently im using workspaces to dock extension, living on the repos but its not as direct as the unity wish one
[15:57] <Maik> tomreyn: this is what he would like to see: https://images.techhive.com/images/article/2015/03/switching-between-workspaces-with-a-keyboard-shortcut-100572256-orig.jpg
[15:58] <Maik> last icon
[15:58] <Maik> the workspace switcher like in unity
[16:00] <lotuspsychje> Maik: i found a bug similar to one what you wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1707831
[16:01] <Maik> that's from 17.10... lol
[16:03] <lotuspsychje> Maik: on wishlists the release is not always relevant, could live across several other releases
[16:04] <Maik> roger
[16:07] <tomreyn> ok, i see
[16:08] <lotuspsychje> tomreyn: i found the dconf value on unity, but i dont see how to get it on gnome
[16:08] <tomreyn> lotuspsychje: i would not know :-/
[16:09] <lotuspsychje> probably hardcoded in unity/compiz
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> and another wishlist bug me and sonicwind wish for; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1900339
[16:19] <lotuspsychje> feel free to also affect it
[16:25] <tomreyn> effectively, i think most of those will need to be filed upstream, really.
[16:29] <daftykins> isn't there a keyboard shortcut like on Kubuntu? to get to shutdown options
[16:29] <daftykins> not a lot of sympathy for those that stay on the mouse :)
[16:30] <lotuspsychje> daftykins: there was on unity, shutdown and reboot icons
[16:31] <daftykins> no i'm saying a keyboard combo, like ctrl+alt+del bringing up the shutdown dialogue
[16:31] <lotuspsychje> lemme check that
[16:31] <daftykins> you don't need instantly clickable icons
[16:32] <lotuspsychje> ctrl alt del yeah, but thats to logout only
[16:33] <lotuspsychje> shutdown/reboot arent among the hotkeys here so it seems
[16:33] <daftykins> right but maybe there's another, because that's what it is for Kubuntu - no idea with gnome3
[17:45] <oerheks> 0/clear
[17:49] <Maik> toast smelling alert