[00:47] <callmepk> good morning
[01:24] <duflu> Morning callmepk 
[01:30] <callmepk> morning duflu 
[05:32] <jibel> Good morning
[05:35] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[05:37] <duflu> Morning jibel and seb128 
[05:37] <seb128> hey duflu , how are you? had a good weekend?
[05:37] <duflu> seb128, I'm well. Just housework and family somehow filled the weekend. You?
[05:39] <jibel> Hi duflu seb128 
[05:48] <seb128> duflu, weather was nice, we went for some walks and otherwise just relaxed
[05:48] <seb128> jibel, salut
[06:32] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[06:34] <luna_> morning
[06:41] <oSoMoN> hey luna_ 
[07:06] <didrocks> good morning
[07:08] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk duflu jibel seb128 oSoMoN didrocks and other desktoppers
[07:09] <didrocks> good morning marcustomlinson & all
[07:19] <callmepk> hey marcustomlinson and morning/afternoon jibel seb128 oSoMoN didrocks 
[07:19] <didrocks> hey callmepk 
[07:23] <duflu> morning oSoMoN, luna_, didrocks, marcustomlinson 
[07:24] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks, good morning marcustomlinson, good afternoon callmepk & duflu
[07:24] <didrocks> hey duflu, salut oSoMoN 
[07:59] <jibel> Salut marcustomlinson callmepk and all
[08:24] <oSoMoN> salut jibel 
[08:26] <jibel> Hello oSoMoN 
[08:42] <Laney> moin
[08:42] <didrocks999> hey Laney 
[08:44] <Laney> sup didrocks999 
[08:44] <didrocks> let’s loose those 9!
[08:47] <seb128> hey Laney and the other that joined while I was away for morning errands!
[08:48] <didrocks> wb seb128 
[08:48] <seb128> lut didrocks comment ça va ?
[08:51] <didrocks> ça va bien, continué les travaux ce week-end, et toi ? :)
[08:56] <seb128> ça va! on a réussi à faire quelques ballades entre les averses, sinon rien de spécial
[08:57] <duflu> Hi Laney
[09:01] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[09:06] <Laney> hey seb128 duflu and marcustomlinson!
[09:12] <seb128> tkamppeter, hey, do you understand what's the issue with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hplip/+bug/1881401 exactly? seems quite some users are saying hplip doesn't work correctly in the LTS?
[09:15] <tkamppeter> seb128, this is a big problem of HPLIP development policy. They only develop based on released Linux distros, not working with distros under development in order to make their included packages working well.
[09:16] <tkamppeter> So they provide Uuntu 20.04 support only after 20.04 release, probably therefore the problems are gone if one installs our 20.0 packages on 20.04.
[09:17] <tkamppeter> Solutions are either that HP changes their development policy or that they switch to sandboxed packaging.
[09:18] <tkamppeter> Code quality of HPLIP is also generally not very high.
[09:19] <tkamppeter> Most problems occur in the GUI, often you can print and scan when creating your print queue with Ubuntu's general tools, fully automatic setup of USB devices, system-config-printer, GNOME Control Center.
[09:20]  * didrocks can’t print anymore since August on the LTS while it used to work with this printer :(
[09:21] <tkamppeter> hp-check and hp-doctor check for build dependencies and they also try to find out your distro and from this distro take the last supported release and then they chack whether you have the exact library version numbers of that distro. so usually fails if you have a distro released after your HPLIP version, which is always the case if you use the HPLIP which comes with Ubuntu.
[09:22] <tkamppeter> didrocks, which printer do you have?
[09:23] <didrocks> tkamppeter: Epson Stylus Photo rx560, I opened a bug a couple of months ago and pinged you, but you never got the time to get to it I guess
[09:23] <tkamppeter> Looks like a Gutenprint problem for me.
[09:24] <tkamppeter> didrocks, could you give me the bug number?
[09:25] <didrocks> tkamppeter: bug #1891987
[09:25] <didrocks> happy to retry and give any kind of info you need
[09:27] <seb128> tkamppeter, thanks for the summary, now that there is a hplip that is compatible with the LTS could we maybe SRU it or at least backport some fixes to have our LTS work better?
[09:28] <tkamppeter> seb128, if possible, we should simply SRU it altogether, as this kind of problem cannot be fixed by small patches.
[09:28] <seb128> tkamppeter, could you check if SRUing the new version would be technically possible and maybe work on that if it is?
[09:29] <tkamppeter> Also development by HP is done secretly, only releases pushed out. So if something gets fixed one does not know why.
[09:29] <tkamppeter> They also refuse to post patches when they fix something.
[09:31] <tkamppeter> seb128, I will try. Don't know whether the SRU team will allow a new upstream version due to the fact that the version in the release is a complete mess.
[09:32] <seb128> if the current version is not compatible with the available dependencies it sounds like a valid reason to accept a new version as a SRU
[10:01] <seb128> oSoMoN, bug #1900334 do you have any idea what could have changed that created the issue? I can confirm the cursor is buggy here but I don't remember if it was right before...
[11:38] <oSoMoN> seb128, I'm not seeing that here on groovy, I'll look into it after lunch
[11:40] <seb128> oSoMoN, enjoy lunch!
[12:01] <Laney> be good to get some release notes: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-notes/15533 (known bugs, a few highlighted new features e.g. versions of major stuff)
[12:01] <Laney> if people have time :>
[12:12] <didrocks> laney using his AA powers!
[12:14] <Laney> 💪
[14:05] <luna_> oSoMoN: another Firefox to build one day earlier: https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/82.0/ 
[14:06] <oSoMoN> luna_, almost done building in https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ubuntu/ppa/+packages, testing and feedback welcome
[14:07] <luna_> oSoMoN: will do when its done built
[14:07] <oSoMoN> well it is built for all releases and all architectures already, except arm* on groovy
[14:18] <luna_> oSoMoN: installed it now, started on 20.10 and could surf to Facebook and Gmail 
[14:18] <luna_> haven't tested anymore yet
[14:18] <oSoMoN> that's a good start :)
[14:58] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[15:00] <marcustomlinson> hey hellsworth
[15:01] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth 
[15:01] <hellsworth> hi there guys!
[15:08] <oSoMoN> good morning hellsworth 
[15:10] <paride> just found a really annoying libreoffice-calc bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1900454
[15:14] <hellsworth> paride: thanks i'll take a look
[15:38] <seb128> oSoMoN, thunderbird also has the wrong cursor issue, probably something theme or snapd...
[15:38] <seb128> kenvandine, do you know of any recent change that could make snaps have the wront mouse cursor, e.g bug #1900334 (and I just noticed it on thunderbird as well now)
[15:46] <oSoMoN> seb128, so what you're seeing is the wrong cursor theme, right? because the problem described in the bug report mentions the theme, but what the screencast shows is a scaling issue
[16:47] <kenvandine> seb128: I think you have gtk-common-themes from candidate, right?
[18:28] <seb128> kenvandine, no, stable but I tried candidate now and no difference
[18:43] <kenvandine> seb128: any chance your interfaces aren't connected?
[18:43] <kenvandine> content[icon-themes]      thunderbird:icon-themes      gtk-common-themes:icon-themes    -
[18:43] <kenvandine> snap connections thunderbird
[18:45] <seb128> kenvandine, that's a xubuntu session as described on the theme and I think the issue is what Olivier described, they use whiteglass and that isn't included in the themes?
[18:46] <seb128> on the bug*
[18:47] <seb128> well, some users claim also they had the issue recently, so probably a different problem I confirmed
[18:50] <kenvandine> yeah, gtk-common-themes doesn't seem to include Whiteglass
[18:51] <kenvandine> seb128: so that's the default for xubuntu?
[18:52] <bluesabre> I think the issue in Xubuntu was using the “Default” theme, instead of explicitly requesting Human.
[18:53] <kenvandine> i haven't seen any reference to xubuntu, so i must be missing something :)
[18:55] <bluesabre> https://github.com/Xubuntu/xubuntu-default-settings/commit/7ea4e59df2394140b28cf92b2651d327a800f00f was the fix we made for it iirc
[18:57] <bluesabre> It’s been a while, sorry for popping in, but I think that was it :)
[18:58] <kenvandine> bluesabre: no worries, thanks for the ingo
[18:58] <kenvandine> info
[18:58] <kenvandine> DMZ-White is included in gtk-common-themes
[18:58] <kenvandine> so that should be fine
[19:53] <seb128> bluesabre, thanks, there has been no package upload to Ubuntu with that change though?
[20:04] <bluesabre> seb128: Yeah, you’re probably right. I’ve been away a lot recently, and probably failed to land that upload. I’ll get it up for a post release SRU this week.
[20:05] <seb128> bluesabre, thanks
[20:06] <seb128> kenvandine, k, so submitter of the bug is always using whiteglass but under GNOME, maybe it makes sense to just add that one to gtk-common-themes?