[00:33] <callmepk> goood morning
[03:58] <jibel> Good morning
[04:20] <jamesh> duflu: do you have any tips for testing mutter changes independent of the rest of gnome-shell?
[04:56] <duflu> Morning jibel 
[04:56] <duflu> Sorry jamesh ...
[04:57] <jamesh> duflu: no problem.  Context is that I had a go at fixing the X11 abstract socket issue here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1508
[04:57] <duflu> jamesh, generally there's no reason to test them separately but if you want to then opening a terminal in mutter is the starting point
[04:58] <duflu> Yeah I saw that
[04:59] <jibel> Hi duflu 
[04:59] <jamesh> thanks.  With a full gnome-shell session, there's enough starting up to trigger Xwayland to launch before I've had a chance to test things
[06:43] <didrocks> good morning
[06:57] <oSoMoN> salut didrocks 
[06:57] <oSoMoN> good morning desktoppers
[07:03] <didrocks> salut oSoMoN, ça va ?
[07:04] <oSoMoN> didrocks, ça va, j’ai commencé la journée par du support technique pour ma femme a qui on a filé un ordinateur de bureau pour travailler de la maison, sous windows naturellement, et rien ne marche OOTB, amusant…
[07:05] <didrocks> oSoMoN: j’imagine de lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngues MAJ et reboot d’abord :)
[07:07] <oSoMoN> ah non ça j’avais anticipé, j’ai laissé le bousin tourner pendant le week-end :)
[07:08] <didrocks> héhé
[07:09] <duflu> Morning didrocks and oSoMoN 
[07:11] <jibel> salut didrocks oSoMoN 
[07:12] <didrocks> hey duflu, jibel 
[07:17] <marcustomlinson> morning callmepk jibel jamesh duflu didrocks oSoMoN and other desktoppers
[07:17] <duflu> Morning marcustomlinson 
[07:19] <jibel> salut marcustomlinson 
[07:23] <callmepk> hi marcustomlinson and morning/afternoon duflu jibel jamesh didrocks oSoMoN 
[07:23] <jamesh> hi marcustomlinson, callmepk 
[07:23] <jibel> hi callmepk 
[07:28] <seb128> goood morning desktopers
[07:29] <duflu> Hi seb128 
[07:31] <seb128> hey duflu, how are you today?
[07:31] <duflu> seb128, unusually good. I managed to clear my sinuses, sleep better and exercise all in one day
[07:31] <duflu> How are you seb128 ?
[07:31] <seb128> that's nice
[07:32] <jibel> salut seb128 
[07:32] <seb128> I'm alright, though had a short night again so let's see how that plays out during the day. The little one had a cold with nose blocked and was awake from 3am to 5am (same as yesterday)
[07:33] <seb128> salut jibel, comment ça va ?
[07:33] <jibel> seb128, ça roule, still waiting for isos, that's my only obsession this week :)
[07:34] <seb128> right
[07:52] <kenvandine> good morning desktoppers
[07:52] <marcustomlinson> hey kenvandine
[07:52] <marcustomlinson> what time is it??
[07:52] <duflu> Hi kenvandine (?)
[07:52] <kenvandine> almost 4am
[07:53] <kenvandine> i'm up for a meeting
[07:53] <oSoMoN> ouch
[07:53] <oSoMoN> good morning kenvandine 
[07:55] <kenvandine> my monitors do seem much brighter than usual at this time of day :)
[07:56] <oSoMoN> jibel, can you ping us all when the first RC isos are ready?
[07:56] <seb128> kenvandine, hum, are you not in bed yet or already up?!
[07:57] <seb128> oh, I read the backlog
[07:57] <seb128> outch, good luck with that
[07:57] <seb128> lut oSoMoN, hey marcustomlinson , how are you?
[07:57] <oSoMoN> salut seb128, I'm doing good, thanks
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> kenvandine: you're gonna feel it this afternoon... :P
[07:58] <marcustomlinson> seb128: doing well thanks, yourself?
[08:00] <seb128> tired, cf backlog, but otherwise alright
[08:01] <marcustomlinson> seb128: what's cf?
[08:02] <seb128> marcustomlinson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cf.
[08:03] <seb128> but basically baby got a cold and didn't sleep well which we means we didn't either
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> :(
[08:04] <Laney> yo
[08:04] <marcustomlinson> hey Laney
[08:05] <seb128> hey Laney, how are you?
[08:06] <duflu> Hi Laney
[08:11] <didrocks999> hey Laney 
[08:15] <Laney> moin marcustomlinson seb128 duflu didrocks999! how's it going?
[08:16] <didrocks999> good, baby with cold for a good 3-4 days, short nights as well, but that’s what being parent is I guess :)
[08:17] <Laney> :(
[08:18] <Laney> it's ok, one day you will be an old man and this baby will be helping you out!
[08:18] <seb128> k, just spent longer than I should have writing a small script
[08:18] <seb128> but npw
[08:18] <seb128> $ ./weeklynotupdated.py  https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-updates-monday-19th-october-2020/18862
[08:18] <seb128> ['laney', 'jamesh', 'ken-vandine', 'osomon', 'robert-ancell']
[08:18] <Laney> lol
[08:18] <Laney> I'm already writing it
[08:18] <seb128> if your name is in that list pelase write your update
[08:18] <kenvandine> i'll write it in a few :)
[08:18] <seb128> thx
[08:18] <seb128> we are supposed to post on monday, writing it now is no excuse :)
[08:19] <seb128> but alright for this time
[08:19] <oSoMoN> seb128, may I suggest that your script is broken? ;)
[08:19] <seb128> next step is to cron that script with an email trigger
[08:19] <seb128> oSoMoN, hum, let me debug :p
[08:20] <didrocks999> I bet case issue
[08:22] <seb128> not case, that was handled, but launchpadid != discourseid
[08:24] <seb128> k, fixed :p
[08:25] <seb128> oSoMoN, sorry about that :)
[08:28] <seb128> (robert was wrongly listed as well due to the same issue)
[08:28] <oSoMoN> no worries, thanks for this useful script
[08:41] <duflu> Yeah I was going to say, Robert already did post before anyone
[08:43] <jibel> maybe you could improve this script to grab code changes from various vcs and bug tracker and fill the reports for us
[08:46] <marcustomlinson> :D
[10:38] <oSoMoN> jibel, is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/418/builds worth testing, or are we waiting for rebuilds?
[11:56] <jibel> oSoMoN, you can start with this build
[12:54] <jibel> Trevinho, can you help testing 20.10 on nVidia or anyone else?
[12:54] <Trevinho> jibel: yeah
[12:55] <Trevinho> actually.... fffffukkk, I think i left the charger in the coworking as I didn't go today as it's raining... I can see how much juice I still have
[12:56] <Trevinho> it boots at least :)
[12:59] <jibel> there is still tomorrow, but better know sooner than later if something's broken
[12:59] <didrocks> Trevinho: SleepAsFitbit should have warned you about the charger :p
[12:59] <Trevinho> didrocks: should had :D, but no... actually battery is still full so I can do some testing :)
[12:59] <didrocks> heh
[13:30] <seb128> #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20
[13:30] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Oct 20 13:30:29 2020 UTC.  The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[13:30] <seb128> Roll call:  didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk
[13:30] <kenvandine> o/
[13:30] <marcustomlinson> \o
[13:30] <Trevinho> hola
[13:31] <hellsworth> good morning desktopers
[13:31] <hellsworth> o/
[13:31] <callmepk> o/
[13:31] <jibel> o~
[13:31] <jibel> Good morning hellsworth 
[13:31] <seb128> k, seems like we have enough people to get started!
[13:31] <seb128> #topic rls-bb-bug
[13:31] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:31] <seb128> no desktop entry
[13:32] <didrocks> hey
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> those are assigned
[13:32] <seb128> #topic rls-ff-bug
[13:32] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:32] <seb128> bug #1899262
[13:33] <seb128> seems like foundation got pinged about it, I will follow up with them to know if they are owning the issue
[13:34] <seb128> bug #1886092
[13:34] <seb128> I tagged this one, the apparmor profile from the deb blocks gpg communication it seems
[13:35] <seb128> unsure how common signing documents is but it sounds like something we would like to fix in a LTS since that's a problem we created
[13:35] <hellsworth> it would be nice to have that fixed
[13:35] <seb128> +1 from me to nominate in case that's not obvious from what I said there
[13:35] <hellsworth> i agree
[13:35] <kenvandine> +1
[13:35] <hellsworth> but this vote is not to have it fixed by release time right?
[13:35] <seb128> k, nominating then, thanks
[13:36] <hellsworth> since that's in 2 days
[13:36] <seb128> that's focal we are reviewing (LTS)
[13:36] <hellsworth> oh right yes
[13:36] <seb128> that was released in april :)
[13:36] <hellsworth> my bad
[13:36] <seb128> but yeah, just something for the next SRU round imho
[13:36] <seb128> thanks!
[13:37] <seb128> that's it for focal incoming (the other bug it's a leftover that needs triaging)
[13:37] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:37] <seb128> that list a some cleanups needed, I will handle those
[13:38] <seb128> nothing needing discussion
[13:38] <seb128> #topic rls-gg-bug
[13:38] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html
[13:38] <seb128> the snap/wayland thing is leftover
[13:39] <seb128> kenvandine, James mentioned that it could be workarounded in snapd potentially, should we try to do that even if there is a fix pending for GNOME?
[13:39] <seb128> unsure if other distros are likely to get the patch included in their incoming releases
[13:39] <seb128> would suck to have graphical snaps not working on e.g fedora 33 default session
[13:40] <kenvandine> yeah... but snapd releases take time too
[13:40] <kenvandine> i'll ask him what he thinks
[13:40] <Laney> that should be rls accepted though I'd say
[13:40] <kenvandine> i'd agree
[13:40] <kenvandine> but what about other distros
[13:41] <seb128> @Laney, right, that's what I meant by leftover, it failed to be properly triaged previous meeting
[13:41] <Laney> ah
[13:42] <seb128> we said we would accept it
[13:42] <kenvandine> seb128: where did james say it could be worked around in snapd?
[13:42] <seb128> I will try again (sometime I just keep things to not delay the meeting and get distracted, and sometime launchpad fails and I don't notice)
[13:42] <seb128> kenvandine, he said so on IRC, that snapd could do something similar to flatpak
[13:42] <kenvandine> ah
[13:42] <seb128> like bindmount the socket or something, unsure what they are doing exactly
[13:42] <Laney> it should in the medium term, that's what Simon says on the MR too
[13:43] <Laney> but hoepfully that can be merged as a quick(er) fix
[13:43] <seb128> right
[13:43] <kenvandine> cool, i'll check with him
[13:43] <seb128> k, moving on
[13:43] <seb128> bug #1898005
[13:43] <seb128> I tagged this one
[13:43] <seb128> it's unclear to me if it's wayland specific, some reports claim so
[13:43] <seb128> but it has a stack of duplicates and seems easy to trigger with remote mounts in e.g nautilus
[13:44] <seb128> I'm +1 to accept since it's a crash and it's common, even if wayland isn't the default session
[13:44] <seb128> opinions?
[13:44] <Trevinho> assume is mine
[13:44] <seb128> Trevinho, thanks
[13:45] <seb128> bug #1900334	
[13:45] <seb128> I tagged it but failed to untag
[13:45] <seb128> it got some debugging since and turned out to be specific to some themes and not a regression
[13:45] <seb128> so let's skip, I'm untagging it
[13:46] <seb128> kenvandine, would still be nice to include whiteglass in gtk-common-themes, do you want a trello card or something for that?
[13:46] <seb128> ah
[13:46] <kenvandine> trello card would be good
[13:46] <seb128> oSoMoN beat me to it
[13:46] <seb128> https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/issues/21
[13:46] <kenvandine> awesome
[13:46] <seb128> kenvandine, is that enough or do you still want the card?
[13:46] <kenvandine> that's good
[13:46] <seb128> k
[13:46] <seb128> that's it for incoming
[13:46] <seb128> http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[13:47] <seb128> bug #1872159 needs triaging (got assigned to duflu for plymouth, needs the same for gdm)
[13:48] <seb128> k, that's it for bugs
[13:48] <seb128> #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:48] <seb128> https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages
[13:48] <seb128> desktop section is empty, which is the way it should be the week of release!
[13:49] <seb128> #topic AOB
[13:49] <seb128> it's release week as said
[13:49] <seb128> jibel, Laney , do we have candidate images yet?
[13:49] <jibel> yes
[13:49] <seb128> great
[13:50] <jibel> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/20-10-release-candidate-isos-ready-for-testing/18894
[13:50] <seb128> ^ for everyone to do
[13:50] <hellsworth> woo hoo!
[13:51] <seb128> I don't think the ISO testing hangout we did previous week is going to work as well today
[13:51] <seb128> since the release people I think have their own event and aren't joining
[13:51] <seb128> which meant other didn't stick around
[13:51] <hellsworth> that's ok. whoever comes is welcome
[13:51] <seb128> right
[13:51] <seb128> anything else?
[13:51] <didrocks> nothing for me
[13:52] <Laney> release note contributions would be welcome :-)
[13:52] <seb128> ah, right
[13:52] <seb128> https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-notes right?
[13:52]  * seb128 is going to try to add some content
[13:52] <Laney> yeah looks nice
[13:52] <Laney> thanks!
[13:53] <seb128> what's the process?
[13:53] <seb128> I don't seem to have edit rights
[13:54] <Laney> ask pope_y and get IS to enable that bloody plugin!
[13:54] <seb128> k
[13:55] <seb128> anything else?
[13:55] <seb128> seems not, that's a wrap then, thanks desktopers and happy ISO testing!
[13:56] <seb128> #endmeeting
[13:56] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Oct 20 13:56:00 2020 UTC.  
[13:56] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-10-20-13.30.moin.txt
[13:56] <hellsworth> thanks!
[13:57] <Laney> merci!
[14:10] <hellsworth> jibel: where are the candidate isos?
[14:10] <hellsworth> just the daily groovy?
[14:17] <jibel> hellsworth, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/418/builds/
[14:18] <kenvandine> seb128: MR submitted for cursor issue https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/25
[14:18] <jibel> hellsworth, the location on cdimage.u.c is the same than daily 
[14:22] <seb128> kenvandine, great
[14:26] <kenvandine> seb128: and your script won't catch me next week.. i have started my status update already :)
[14:26] <jibel> I can do mine too, I know what I'll do this week
[14:28] <seb128> kenvandine, :-)
[14:31] <seb128> kenvandine, you listed whiteglass a second time, I guess you meant redglass?
[14:32] <kenvandine> oh sigh
[14:32] <kenvandine> yes
[14:33] <kenvandine> seb128: thanks for the review
[14:33] <kenvandine> i pushed a fix
[14:33] <seb128> thx
[14:43] <seb128> kenvandine, the change seems fine to me, I will let Olivier review though since I don't really understand snapcraft details, e.g why using override-build with a call to snapcraftctl build rather than using the dump plugin to copy content
[14:43] <kenvandine> this is to pull the content from the stage-packages
[14:44] <seb128> dump plugin would do that?
[14:45] <seb128> or why do you need that overwrite, nil with only the stage packages and a stage wouldn't be enough?
[14:46] <kenvandine> because i need to move the content to where we expect it
[14:46] <kenvandine> but i might not need the snapcraftctl build
[14:47] <seb128> I don't understand why that call is there at all, but I didn't do much snapcraft recently
[14:47] <kenvandine> i'll try removing it :)
[14:48] <kenvandine> it's harmless, but now i'm curious
[14:59] <hellsworth> ok great thanks jibel. i figured the daily images were the way to go
[15:01] <jibel> hellsworth, cool. Also if you want to follow the status of the release: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-20-10-release-status-tracking/18647
[15:01] <hellsworth> ah thanks!
[15:04] <kenvandine> seb128: i've wiped my container and rebuilding without that build step to see how it looks 
[15:10] <seb128> kenvandine, k, let me know, I need to step out for a bit but I will give it another review later
[17:33] <Trevinho> jibel: eventually the battery died... (even though wasn't easy to plan :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1900741) but we MIGHT have an issue, as I didn't get the nvidia driver enabled just after reboot