[00:33] goood morning [03:58] Good morning [04:20] duflu: do you have any tips for testing mutter changes independent of the rest of gnome-shell? [04:56] Morning jibel [04:56] Sorry jamesh ... [04:57] duflu: no problem. Context is that I had a go at fixing the X11 abstract socket issue here: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/mutter/-/merge_requests/1508 [04:57] jamesh, generally there's no reason to test them separately but if you want to then opening a terminal in mutter is the starting point [04:58] Yeah I saw that [04:59] Hi duflu [04:59] thanks. With a full gnome-shell session, there's enough starting up to trigger Xwayland to launch before I've had a chance to test things [06:43] good morning [06:57] salut didrocks [06:57] good morning desktoppers [07:03] salut oSoMoN, ça va ? [07:04] didrocks, ça va, j’ai commencé la journée par du support technique pour ma femme a qui on a filé un ordinateur de bureau pour travailler de la maison, sous windows naturellement, et rien ne marche OOTB, amusant… [07:05] oSoMoN: j’imagine de lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngues MAJ et reboot d’abord :) [07:07] ah non ça j’avais anticipé, j’ai laissé le bousin tourner pendant le week-end :) [07:08] héhé [07:09] Morning didrocks and oSoMoN [07:11] salut didrocks oSoMoN [07:12] hey duflu, jibel [07:17] morning callmepk jibel jamesh duflu didrocks oSoMoN and other desktoppers [07:17] Morning marcustomlinson [07:19] salut marcustomlinson [07:23] hi marcustomlinson and morning/afternoon duflu jibel jamesh didrocks oSoMoN [07:23] hi marcustomlinson, callmepk [07:23] hi callmepk [07:28] goood morning desktopers [07:29] Hi seb128 [07:31] hey duflu, how are you today? [07:31] seb128, unusually good. I managed to clear my sinuses, sleep better and exercise all in one day [07:31] How are you seb128 ? [07:31] that's nice [07:32] salut seb128 [07:32] I'm alright, though had a short night again so let's see how that plays out during the day. The little one had a cold with nose blocked and was awake from 3am to 5am (same as yesterday) [07:33] salut jibel, comment ça va ? [07:33] seb128, ça roule, still waiting for isos, that's my only obsession this week :) [07:34] right [07:52] good morning desktoppers [07:52] hey kenvandine [07:52] what time is it?? [07:52] Hi kenvandine (?) [07:52] almost 4am [07:53] i'm up for a meeting [07:53] ouch [07:53] good morning kenvandine [07:55] my monitors do seem much brighter than usual at this time of day :) [07:56] jibel, can you ping us all when the first RC isos are ready? [07:56] kenvandine, hum, are you not in bed yet or already up?! [07:57] oh, I read the backlog [07:57] outch, good luck with that [07:57] lut oSoMoN, hey marcustomlinson , how are you? [07:57] salut seb128, I'm doing good, thanks [07:58] kenvandine: you're gonna feel it this afternoon... :P [07:58] seb128: doing well thanks, yourself? [08:00] tired, cf backlog, but otherwise alright [08:01] seb128: what's cf? [08:02] marcustomlinson, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cf. [08:03] but basically baby got a cold and didn't sleep well which we means we didn't either [08:04] :( [08:04] yo [08:04] hey Laney [08:05] hey Laney, how are you? [08:06] Hi Laney [08:11] hey Laney [08:15] moin marcustomlinson seb128 duflu didrocks999! how's it going? [08:16] good, baby with cold for a good 3-4 days, short nights as well, but that’s what being parent is I guess :) [08:17] :( [08:18] it's ok, one day you will be an old man and this baby will be helping you out! [08:18] k, just spent longer than I should have writing a small script [08:18] but npw [08:18] $ ./weeklynotupdated.py https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/desktop-team-updates-monday-19th-october-2020/18862 [08:18] ['laney', 'jamesh', 'ken-vandine', 'osomon', 'robert-ancell'] [08:18] lol [08:18] I'm already writing it [08:18] if your name is in that list pelase write your update [08:18] i'll write it in a few :) [08:18] thx [08:18] we are supposed to post on monday, writing it now is no excuse :) [08:19] but alright for this time [08:19] seb128, may I suggest that your script is broken? ;) [08:19] next step is to cron that script with an email trigger [08:19] oSoMoN, hum, let me debug :p [08:20] I bet case issue [08:22] not case, that was handled, but launchpadid != discourseid [08:24] k, fixed :p [08:25] oSoMoN, sorry about that :) [08:28] (robert was wrongly listed as well due to the same issue) [08:28] no worries, thanks for this useful script [08:41] Yeah I was going to say, Robert already did post before anyone [08:43] maybe you could improve this script to grab code changes from various vcs and bug tracker and fill the reports for us [08:46] :D [10:38] jibel, is http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/418/builds worth testing, or are we waiting for rebuilds? [11:56] oSoMoN, you can start with this build [12:54] Trevinho, can you help testing 20.10 on nVidia or anyone else? [12:54] jibel: yeah === didrocks999 is now known as didrocks [12:55] actually.... fffffukkk, I think i left the charger in the coworking as I didn't go today as it's raining... I can see how much juice I still have [12:56] it boots at least :) [12:59] there is still tomorrow, but better know sooner than later if something's broken [12:59] Trevinho: SleepAsFitbit should have warned you about the charger :p [12:59] didrocks: should had :D, but no... actually battery is still full so I can do some testing :) [12:59] heh [13:30] #startmeeting Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 [13:30] Meeting started Tue Oct 20 13:30:29 2020 UTC. The chair is seb128. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [13:30] Available commands: action commands idea info link nick === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 | Current topic: [13:30] Roll call: didrocks, duflu, hellsworth, jamesh, jibel, kenvandine, Laney, marcustomlinson, oSoMoN, tkamppeter, Trevinho, robert_ancell, callmepk [13:30] o/ [13:30] \o [13:30] hola [13:31] good morning desktopers [13:31] o/ [13:31] o/ [13:31] o~ [13:31] Good morning hellsworth [13:31] k, seems like we have enough people to get started! [13:31] #topic rls-bb-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 | Current topic: rls-bb-bug [13:31] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:31] no desktop entry [13:32] hey [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-bb-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:32] those are assigned [13:32] #topic rls-ff-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 | Current topic: rls-ff-bug [13:32] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:32] bug #1899262 [13:32] bug 1899262 in wpa (Ubuntu) "Broken dbus GetAll message to wpa supplicant interface properties" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1899262 [13:33] seems like foundation got pinged about it, I will follow up with them to know if they are owning the issue [13:34] bug #1886092 [13:34] bug 1886092 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "libreoffice doesn't list gpg private key for a digital signature due to apparmor" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1886092 [13:34] I tagged this one, the apparmor profile from the deb blocks gpg communication it seems [13:35] unsure how common signing documents is but it sounds like something we would like to fix in a LTS since that's a problem we created [13:35] it would be nice to have that fixed [13:35] +1 from me to nominate in case that's not obvious from what I said there [13:35] i agree [13:35] +1 [13:35] but this vote is not to have it fixed by release time right? [13:35] k, nominating then, thanks [13:36] since that's in 2 days [13:36] that's focal we are reviewing (LTS) [13:36] oh right yes [13:36] that was released in april :) [13:36] my bad [13:36] but yeah, just something for the next SRU round imho [13:36] thanks! [13:37] that's it for focal incoming (the other bug it's a leftover that needs triaging) [13:37] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-ff-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:37] that list a some cleanups needed, I will handle those [13:38] nothing needing discussion [13:38] #topic rls-gg-bug === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 | Current topic: rls-gg-bug [13:38] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-incoming-bug-tasks.html [13:38] the snap/wayland thing is leftover [13:39] kenvandine, James mentioned that it could be workarounded in snapd potentially, should we try to do that even if there is a fix pending for GNOME? [13:39] unsure if other distros are likely to get the patch included in their incoming releases [13:39] would suck to have graphical snaps not working on e.g fedora 33 default session [13:40] yeah... but snapd releases take time too [13:40] i'll ask him what he thinks [13:40] that should be rls accepted though I'd say [13:40] i'd agree [13:40] but what about other distros [13:41] @Laney, right, that's what I meant by leftover, it failed to be properly triaged previous meeting [13:41] ah [13:42] we said we would accept it [13:42] seb128: where did james say it could be worked around in snapd? [13:42] I will try again (sometime I just keep things to not delay the meeting and get distracted, and sometime launchpad fails and I don't notice) [13:42] kenvandine, he said so on IRC, that snapd could do something similar to flatpak [13:42] ah [13:42] like bindmount the socket or something, unsure what they are doing exactly [13:42] it should in the medium term, that's what Simon says on the MR too [13:43] but hoepfully that can be merged as a quick(er) fix [13:43] right [13:43] cool, i'll check with him [13:43] k, moving on [13:43] bug #1898005 [13:43] bug 1898005 in gnome-shell-extension-desktop-icons (Ubuntu) "gnome-shell crashed with SIGABRT in st_bin_destroy: assertion failed: (priv->child == NULL) called from DesktopManager::_destroyDesktopIcons()" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1898005 [13:43] I tagged this one [13:43] it's unclear to me if it's wayland specific, some reports claim so [13:43] but it has a stack of duplicates and seems easy to trigger with remote mounts in e.g nautilus [13:44] I'm +1 to accept since it's a crash and it's common, even if wayland isn't the default session [13:44] opinions? [13:44] assume is mine [13:44] Trevinho, thanks [13:45] bug #1900334 [13:45] bug 1900334 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "[snap] Mouse pointer theme and scaling not honoured for cursor themes not included in gtk-common-themes" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1900334 [13:45] I tagged it but failed to untag [13:45] it got some debugging since and turned out to be specific to some themes and not a regression [13:45] so let's skip, I'm untagging it [13:46] kenvandine, would still be nice to include whiteglass in gtk-common-themes, do you want a trello card or something for that? [13:46] ah [13:46] trello card would be good [13:46] oSoMoN beat me to it [13:46] https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/issues/21 [13:46] awesome [13:46] kenvandine, is that enough or do you still want the card? [13:46] that's good [13:46] k [13:46] that's it for incoming [13:46] http://reqorts.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-gg-tracking-bug-tasks.html [13:47] bug #1872159 needs triaging (got assigned to duflu for plymouth, needs the same for gdm) [13:47] bug 1872159 in plymouth (Ubuntu Groovy) "Boot animation never finishes when external monitors (or just more than one) are connected" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1872159 [13:48] k, that's it for bugs [13:48] #topic update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 | Current topic: update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:48] https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses_by_team.html#desktop-packages [13:48] desktop section is empty, which is the way it should be the week of release! [13:49] #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 | Desktop Team Weekly Meeting - 2020-10-20 | Current topic: AOB [13:49] it's release week as said [13:49] jibel, Laney , do we have candidate images yet? [13:49] yes [13:49] great [13:50] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/20-10-release-candidate-isos-ready-for-testing/18894 [13:50] ^ for everyone to do [13:50] woo hoo! [13:51] I don't think the ISO testing hangout we did previous week is going to work as well today [13:51] since the release people I think have their own event and aren't joining [13:51] which meant other didn't stick around [13:51] that's ok. whoever comes is welcome [13:51] right [13:51] anything else? [13:51] nothing for me [13:52] release note contributions would be welcome :-) [13:52] ah, right [13:52] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-release-notes right? [13:52] * seb128 is going to try to add some content [13:52] yeah looks nice [13:52] thanks! [13:53] what's the process? [13:53] I don't seem to have edit rights [13:54] ask pope_y and get IS to enable that bloody plugin! [13:54] k [13:55] anything else? [13:55] seems not, that's a wrap then, thanks desktopers and happy ISO testing! [13:56] #endmeeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-desktop to: Home of the Desktop Team, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam | For help or questions, try #ubuntu | Work (read-only for non-developers): https://trello.com/b/mxaCZTVc | GNOME 3.38 work claiming / tracking: https://trello.com/b/sdyPskaS/gnome-338 [13:56] Meeting ended Tue Oct 20 13:56:00 2020 UTC. [13:56] Minutes: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-desktop/2020/ubuntu-desktop.2020-10-20-13.30.moin.txt [13:56] thanks! [13:57] merci! [14:10] jibel: where are the candidate isos? [14:10] just the daily groovy? [14:17] hellsworth, http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/418/builds/ [14:18] seb128: MR submitted for cursor issue https://gitlab.gnome.org/Community/Ubuntu/gtk-common-themes/-/merge_requests/25 [14:18] hellsworth, the location on cdimage.u.c is the same than daily [14:22] kenvandine, great [14:26] seb128: and your script won't catch me next week.. i have started my status update already :) [14:26] I can do mine too, I know what I'll do this week [14:28] kenvandine, :-) [14:31] kenvandine, you listed whiteglass a second time, I guess you meant redglass? [14:32] oh sigh [14:32] yes [14:33] seb128: thanks for the review [14:33] i pushed a fix [14:33] thx [14:43] kenvandine, the change seems fine to me, I will let Olivier review though since I don't really understand snapcraft details, e.g why using override-build with a call to snapcraftctl build rather than using the dump plugin to copy content [14:43] this is to pull the content from the stage-packages [14:44] dump plugin would do that? [14:45] or why do you need that overwrite, nil with only the stage packages and a stage wouldn't be enough? [14:46] because i need to move the content to where we expect it [14:46] but i might not need the snapcraftctl build [14:47] I don't understand why that call is there at all, but I didn't do much snapcraft recently [14:47] i'll try removing it :) [14:48] it's harmless, but now i'm curious [14:59] ok great thanks jibel. i figured the daily images were the way to go [15:01] hellsworth, cool. Also if you want to follow the status of the release: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/groovy-gorilla-20-10-release-status-tracking/18647 [15:01] ah thanks! [15:04] seb128: i've wiped my container and rebuilding without that build step to see how it looks [15:10] kenvandine, k, let me know, I need to step out for a bit but I will give it another review later [17:33] jibel: eventually the battery died... (even though wasn't easy to plan :D https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1900741) but we MIGHT have an issue, as I didn't get the nvidia driver enabled just after reboot [17:33] Ubuntu bug 1900741 in linux (Ubuntu) "Missing battery status information on HP Pavilion Notebook 15 bc5xxx" [Medium,Confirmed]