[15:19] OvenWerks: RE: JACK_NO_START_SERVER ... would that go studio-controls or should that be a desktop default? I'd think it'd be a studio-controls thing in order to make it DE-agnostic. [15:20] Eickmeyer[m]: it would have to be a part of the desktop tweaks I think [15:20] Ok, so that doesn't help people who aren't installing the iso. [15:20] controls can not set an environment that everything else will pick up [15:20] It can if it simply installs a file in /etc/environment.d [15:21] Ok [15:23] so logind uses that then? [15:23] Yep. [15:24] Actually, it could be systemd as part of the init. [15:24] Eickmeyer[m]: I don't think waffl3x is actively looking at irc anyway. [15:25] I don't think so either, but they'll get the message when they do. Mauro Gaspari and rgh should know better than to keep, what looks like, a non-support discussion going in a support channel. [15:27] Eickmeyer: waffl3x was asking questions about jack and how to get it to work, well at least in the beginning it looked to me like the good channel for a question like that, no? [15:27] Yeah, that is, but the discussion did degrade. [15:27] yeah... I tried a bit but it looked like a one way rant in the end [15:28] I'm not mad, it just looked kinda odd. [15:29] yes, agreed. Next time if it switches from purely support/tech question to general chat/rant I will politely ask people to move to the other channel. [15:29] Mauro Gaspari: Awesome. Thanks. :) [15:30] no worries. I was just a bit frustrated. I told him like 2 times try on a separate disk, try a fresh install. I did not go in depth why but I know that jack, jack2, carla cadence and all the stuff. it is well too easy to make a big impossible mess [15:31] 😅I know because... err... coff coff... a friend of a friend told me it could happen🤣