 @h [whats that], Volla Phone - https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/volla-phone-free-your-mind-protect-your-privacy#/
 this is amazing
 @TotalSonic [Initial batch of Volla Phones (some loaded with pre-installed Ubuntu Touch OS) a …], amazing!
[01:07] <ubptgbot> . was added by: .
 no username . for name hmmm
 It's a good name, quick and efficient
 @TotalSonic [Initial batch of Volla Phones (some loaded with pre-installed Ubuntu Touch OS) a …], hm, I might be waiting a bit - part of the "worldwide" batch
 @PhoenixLandPirate [It's a good name, quick and efficient], lol also hard to refer to
 Maybe a lil bit
 @mateosalta [hm, I might be waiting a bit - part of the "worldwide" batch], same here - ours are supposed to ship in November and could take several weeks to arrive - but looking forward to it as a present to self sometime around Christmas
 What app store does the Volla phone include by default on Android? F-Droid?
 @TotalSonic [same here - ours are supposed to ship in November and could take several weeks t …], yep, seeing as they hit the oct goal, they shouldn't be far behind :)
 @mintphin [What app store does the Volla phone include by default on Android? F-Droid?], I'm not sure - I am purchasing it for use with UT - but you can ask at the Volla Telegram group here - https://t.me/hello_volla
 @mintphin [What app store does the Volla phone include by default on Android? F-Droid?], the ut one( which we are ordering here) has the open store
 I know. I meant on Android. I know it's off-topic, but I just wanted to quickly know.
 ;)
 @mintphin [I know. I meant on Android. I know it's off-topic, but I just wanted to quickly …], they are fairly quick to reply at the Volla Telegram group
 Ok thanks.
 i'm not planning to order one actually, but i just wanted to know.
 hm, the main page just says alternative app store
 not sure which one then
 Hm. Welp that's ok.
 @mintphin [Hm. Welp that's ok.], I think Volla is planning on their own app store with some curated open source, privacy respecting Android apps available on it - but I think you could add F-droid if you wanted.  Not quite sure - and it's off topic of this board.
 @Fuseteam [no username . for name hmmm], original names go brrr
[07:12] <ubptgbot> Tzbluk was added by: Tzbluk
 Hello all
 Is there a way to dual boot Ubuntu touch on Android?
 deja vu
 @Tzbluk [Is there a way to dual boot Ubuntu touch on Android?], No, not really sorry. Kernel needs to be exchanged, thats a difficult task without fiddling with the bootloader
 @Flohack [No, not really sorry. Kernel needs to be exchanged, thats a difficult task witho …], Okay thanks
 I had to go back to Android...I use a redmi 7 and I couldn't get the camera to work and some Android games to play but it was nice installing it... really beautiful thanks
 I am using ubuntu  touch on redmi  note 7,Lavender  and loving it. Hope there are some more updates to this to be able to use accounts.
 I see that whenever I run a radio app and it goes off the mmoment I turn  off the screen, is there a way to make this run in the background even when the screen is off ? Thanks  for your help
[08:00] <cc> https://github.com/ubports/ubports-installer/issues/1450
[08:01] <cc> this question still .....
 @Nagendra [I see that whenever I run a radio app and it goes off the mmoment I turn  off th …], With UT Tweak Tool enable 'prevent background suspension' should do the job.
 @Danfro [With UT Tweak Tool enable 'prevent background suspension' should do the job.], Thank you I will try that
[09:23] <cc> hello,ubports cant connect internet,how to solve it? on window10
[09:41] <ubptgbot> Lukapanio was added by: Lukapanio
 @Flohack [No, not really sorry. Kernel needs to be exchanged, thats a difficult task witho …], You can use 2nd stage bl
 In rear cases even modify main lk
 @Flohack [No, not really sorry. Kernel needs to be exchanged, thats a difficult task witho …], Canonical did it with recovery hacks iirc
 As I do for volla
 @amyosx [Canonical did it with recovery hacks iirc], Dirty way
 @Lukapanio [Dirty way], Yep but it worked
 Do we have front-end developers group around here?
[09:44] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @amyosx [Yep but it worked], Better a working dirty solution than none, if you ask me  ... 😉👍
 @X YZ [Better a working dirty solution than none, if you ask me  ... 😉👍], Lol
 @Lukapanio [You can use 2nd stage bl], Messing with bootloader is on the edge of hardbricking devices. I would not go that way, if its not really really needed. Also, people would maybe expect that they can exchange data between both OSes which will not be the case. So you end up with redundant data on the device, and you might run out of
[09:44] <ubptgbot>  space sooner. I dont think dualboot solves a lot of problems
 @Flohack [Messing with bootloader is on the edge of hardbricking devices. I would not go t …], What?
 Luka has made a 2nd stage bootloader that lives in boot partition
 What?
 @amyosx [Luka has made a 2nd stage bootloader that lives in boot partition], That works nicely
 @X YZ [Better a working dirty solution than none, if you ask me  ... 😉👍], No I totally disagree. YOu can always do what you want with your device, but we have a responisiblity for our users not to break their daily drivers, and they expect a solid and working OS. We will not lower our quality standards just fur hunting features
 @Flohack [Messing with bootloader is on the edge of hardbricking devices. I would not go t …], How can you brick device with 2nd stage BL?
[09:45] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Why would one not be able to share data, e.g. via sd-card?
[09:45] <ubptgbot> bencelaszlo was added by: bencelaszlo
 @X YZ [Why would one not be able to share data, e.g. via sd-card?], A few devices only have SD card
 Thats an option, yes
 @Lukapanio [How can you brick device with 2nd stage BL?], So you mean flashing another bootloader into boot which tehn loads a kernel?
 @Flohack [A few devices only have SD card], Much devices have it
 @Flohack [So you mean flashing another bootloader into boot which tehn loads a kernel?], Yep
 @Flohack [So you mean flashing another bootloader into boot which tehn loads a kernel?], Yes
 Well then do it. We will not accept any solution which needs flashing of the bootloader.
 @Flohack [So you mean flashing another bootloader into boot which tehn loads a kernel?], Like lk2nd for example
 @Flohack [Well then do it. We will not accept any solution which needs flashing of the boo …], It exists
 It works
 @amyosx [It exists], Too beta tho
 I didn't do anything for ota yet
 Postmarketos guys love the bootloader cause mainline
 @Lukapanio [I didn't do anything for ota yet], Yes but it boots
 @amyosx [It exists], + not in case of Volla were I use custom bl
 Its not on our roadmap now, to do dual booting since we got a ton of other more important issues. You can always propse smth but it must fit our way of how we install and update devices, so you would need to resarch how that works
[09:48] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> I think that users willing to flash and use alternative OS like UT are more willing to Experiment than the average user.
 @Flohack [Its not on our roadmap now, to do dual booting since we got a ton of other more …], Ye ota updates is big problem
[09:49] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Lukapanio [I didn't do anything for ota yet], How many UT-users remount rw and thus can't use ota anyway?
 In case it overwrite recovery what could I do?
 @Lukapanio [Ye ota updates is big problem], Until we have a solution for this we would not even think of trying it out ^^
 @Lukapanio [In case it overwrite recovery what could I do?], Check fsrab every boot?
 @X YZ [How many UT-users remount rw and thus can't use ota anyway?], Not many. Why you would like to do this on a daily ?
 @Lukapanio [Check fsrab every boot?], No I wount
 It is wrong way
 @Flohack [Not many. Why you would like to do this on a daily ?], And to be honest IG ubports recovery is kinda hack too
 @Lukapanio [And to be honest IG ubports recovery is kinda hack too], As long as a hack is stable it can be a hack ^^
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> My impression is that one of the strong points of the vollaphone for people is its ability to work with different OS right from sd. So a way of having a choice of OS without changing sd would be useful. At least until anbox can reliably do banking apps  ... and whatsapp. 😉
 @X YZ [My impression is that one of the strong points of the vollaphone for people is i …], It will probably never do banking apps properly :P
 @Flohack [It will probably never do banking apps properly :P], Cause dumb safetynet
 what is vollaphone? sounds like someone has turned raspberry pi into the phone
 @Its_K1tty [what is vollaphone? sounds like someone has turned raspberry pi into the phone], lol
 @Its_K1tty [what is vollaphone? sounds like someone has turned raspberry pi into the phone], No lol
 TBH what do you expect of users, that they are rebooting their phones every 20 minutes since otherwise they are offline in WhatsApp? That wont happen. I would reboot once a day max
 long time no chat everyone
[09:55] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> So users can either change their bank or need Android.
 All other apps must work for me at any time
 @Its_K1tty [what is vollaphone? sounds like someone has turned raspberry pi into the phone], just another android phone but having support form ubports
 @Its_K1tty [what is vollaphone? sounds like someone has turned raspberry pi into the phone], [Edit] just another android phone but having support from ubports
[09:55] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @amyosx [Cause dumb safetynet], Magisk?
 @amyosx [Cause dumb safetynet], Exactly. And its not dumb if you look at the fraud thats being pulled off already today. Its a useful thing
 @X YZ [Magisk?], In anbox? Lmao
 @Flohack [Exactly. And its not dumb if you look at the fraud thats being pulled off alread …], I dont think many people care about my 30 quid
 @X YZ [Magisk?], They have hardware detection now, it will get much more complicated to not detect you run on a virtual machine or hosted Android
[09:56] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [TBH what do you expect of users, that they are rebooting their phones every 20 m …], Exactly - for banking only. Which even increases security.
 @X YZ [So users can either change their bank or need Android.], I do banking only from a PC. I would only need the 2FA app, but luckly I can still use SMS codes
 @Flohack [I do banking only from a PC. I would only need the 2FA app, but luckly I can sti …], HSBC has no option for that
 Nor the keypad my parents have
 @X YZ [Exactly - for banking only. Which even increases security.], For that I will put aside an older Android phone. It stays at home, very safe ^^
 @Flohack [For that I will put aside an older Android phone. It stays at home, very safe ^^], Did you ever try lineage on the e5?
[09:59] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [For that I will put aside an older Android phone. It stays at home, very safe ^^], No banking when away from home? One more phone when travelling? (Business+private+banking)? I was hoping to reduce that to say volla+os-specific sd or eventuell better bl+sd.
 @Flohack [As long as a hack is stable it can be a hack ^^], now ik why pmos guys hate ut ;)
 @X YZ [No banking when away from home? One more phone when travelling? (Business+privat …], If it works for Volla it will be good. But its probably smth then restricted to Android-9+ phones
 I am a legacy guy, we have a lot of older devices around, in fact its over 90% of the user base
 @Lukapanio [now ik why pmos guys hate ut ;)], They hate us? Hmm do they already have a second device or an App store :P
[10:02] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Me too ... but having that flexibility on just one device is my reason for considering the purchase.
 Sure
[10:04] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> Note 4 does not get Android updates anymore, same for x5+. Los for x5+ is nice, but still needs fixes. UT on U+ can't do banking ... … Perhaps that's the reason so many of us have so many legacy devices. 😉
 lol
 I have for sure 10 devices lying around :P
 @Flohack [They hate us? Hmm do they already have a second device or an App store :P], Indeed some of them
 Mis012
 @Lukapanio [Indeed some of them], LOL so you tell me they never use hacks and do all things according to intended architecture? I dont think so
 @Flohack [LOL so you tell me they never use hacks and do all things according to intended …], Mis012 is ready to fight if he here halium or hybris or libhybris
 @Flohack [LOL so you tell me they never use hacks and do all things according to intended …], And he don't like ut bcz of outdated things
 @Lukapanio [And he don't like ut bcz of outdated things], Well at least we have working phones by the numbers, utilizing Android container in a way where its still under control I would say. If you want to do all mainline well... where is the hardware ^^
 I need to talk with those guys, we said we cooperate but this sounds like the plan got spoiled
 @Flohack [I need to talk with those guys, we said we cooperate but this sounds like the pl …], Lel contact mis012 on matrix
 I will
 Usually he begins this in chats
[10:15] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [I have for sure 10 devices lying around :P], I did not even dare to mention my n900 and two low-cost old Samsungs ...
 @Lukapanio [Usually he begins this in chats], mis012 is practically a troll, I learned to not take him seriously quite early on
 If someone doe snot accept diversity and compromise in that mobile world of today what can I do? Buy Librem5 😆
[10:17] <ubptgbot> <X YZ> @Flohack [I need to talk with those guys, we said we cooperate but this sounds like the pl …], In the interest of simple users and not of purity of concept in theory: Yes, please, all of these initiatives, try and cooperate or at least exchange information on who is doing what.
 @Deathmist1337 [mis012 is practically a troll, I learned to not take him seriously quite early o …], Ye but he do mess in chat
 @Flohack [If someone doe snot accept diversity and compromise in that mobile world of toda …], Pinephone
 @Lukapanio [Pinephone], Well its performance is subpar to the Android phones youmust admit and a lot of stuff is still not working. We are talking about a daily driver that our userbase of a few thousand ppl probably can use already today ;)
 We wont tell them: Sorry we go mainline now, throw away your stuff and fire up your compiler, and you need to debug every day a bit why you cannot receive calls etc
 @Flohack [We wont tell them: Sorry we go mainline now, throw away your stuff and fire up y …], Indeed you cant
 But what about going to Ubuntu 18?
 16 is dead
 We go to 20.04 now
 The plan is already underway
 But it wont bring so much benefit to the users, its mainly Qt upgrade. Still system is a blocker, older kernels struggle with that
 @Lukapanio [16 is dead], 16.04 is still supported
 @Maik_aD [16.04 is still supported], Until March next year
 @Maik_aD [16.04 is still supported], Until next year
 Then dead
 No worries guys we are on the case
 @Flohack [No worries guys we are on the case], Yay
 But it will probably take longer than March
 @amyosx [Until next year], nope
 and then +5 years wit ESM
 @Maik_aD [and then +5 years wit ESM], Yeah paying companied
 nope
 @Maik_aD [and then +5 years wit ESM], [Edit] Yeah paying companies
 users can activate ESM up to 3 machines for free
 @Maik_aD [users can activate ESM up to 3 machines for free], Oh nice
 @amyosx [Oh nice], https://ubuntu.com/security/esm Ubuntu Members can get up to 50 machines. I'm lucky i got approved as Ubuntu Member. :D
 @Maik_aD [https://ubuntu.com/security/esm Ubuntu Members can get up to 50 machines. I'm lu …], Lol yay
[10:50] <ubptgbot> ptrcnull was added by: ptrcnull
[11:24] <ubptgbot> SamarasContradiction was added by: SamarasContradiction
[11:53] <ubptgbot> <Shaun Tsai> it was 0.11.5 sorry
[12:20] <ubptgbot> Suzie Vermunt was added by: Suzie Vermunt
 @Shaun Tsai [it was 0.11.5 sorry], What
 Guys any interest in a Nexus 6 port? Withou P at the end ^^
 (Photo, 442x674) https://irc.ubports.com/phViki5D.png
[12:58] <ubptgbot> Oliver Dziemba was added by: Oliver Dziemba
 Many people tried that but no one succeeded
 @Maik_aD [https://ubuntu.com/security/esm Ubuntu Members can get up to 50 machines. I'm lu …], but we can't do this for UT really
 remember, all the flavors don't get the extended service; only the official Ubuntu releases from Canonical
 @Deathmist1337 [mis012 is practically a troll, I learned to not take him seriously quite early o …], definitely. he hates everything. don't take his ranting as speaking for pmOS community. others are working well with us
 @dohbee [definitely. he hates everything. don't take his ranting as speaking for pmOS com …], as someone who was a part of the pmOS community, i agree with you, he's very toxic
 @amyosx [What], one of the weird spam bots that occasionally drops a random short string of text in the chat
 (Document) https://irc.ubports.com/tyNVdOai.mp4
 @Sophie [<reply to media>], 😮
 C o n v e r g e n c e
[14:36] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> what device is that
 It... is.... BACK!
 It's the Fxtec Pro1. Only just hooked it up to a monitor today and 😍
[14:39] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @Sophie [It's the Fxtec Pro1. Only just hooked it up to a monitor today and 😍], it looks wireless? i thought that device was hdmi
 It is HDMI. The monitor is connected out through the wall
 (Photo, 956x1276) https://irc.ubports.com/c0Qyh6uO.png
[14:42] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> is it possible to enable miracast?
[14:42] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> in systemsettings
[14:43] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> i think one has to set some things in setenv
 AFAIK miracast currently doesn't work on most devices yet
 Not running Ubuntu Touch, but it is possible with the Pro1 running Android or Lineage OS
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @RealDanct12 what is broken? the connection/negotion?
[14:44] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] @RealDanct12 what is broken? the connection/negotiation?
 it does try to connect but didn't make it
[14:46] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @RealDanct12 at least is there a setting in systemsettings?
[14:46] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> is it some wificard problem?
[14:46] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> most recent wificards support p2p...
 you can enable the option for miracast
 but it just doesn't work
[14:48] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> what's the option?
[14:48] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> i want to try it out on some other device
[14:48] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> xperia 10
 ubuntu.widi.supported=1
 you need to add it to device.mk then rebuild systemimage
[14:49] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> is that a setenv option? i'm using the GSI
 it's a build.prop option
 Sophie I have the fxtec pro1, is it using the GSI image?
 would like to try this out
 @RealDanct12 [AFAIK miracast currently doesn't work on most devices yet], because porters aren't having the android property for it set on their ports
 @RealDanct12 It used GSI image on Lineage OS
 and i guess it's probably not in the GSI
[14:52] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @dohbee [because porters aren't having the android property for it set on their ports], android property?
 also i think the GSI rootfs is a bit old
 @Heng Ye [android property?], `setprop ubuntu.widi.supported 1` i guess?
 @RealDanct12 [would like to try this out], 😁😁😁
[14:55] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> do setprop options persist
 @dohbee [setprop ubuntu.widi.supported 1 i guess?], with that, it's also very broken
 @dohbee [setprop ubuntu.widi.supported 1 i guess?], [Edit] with that, it's still broken
 (Photo, 1280x720) https://irc.ubports.com/HnTAqP00.png speaking of the fxtec pro1, i'd like to drop this image i took weeks ago
 because of keyboard flex
 looks nice - how well does ubtouch run on it these days?
 @rogieroudshoorn [looks nice - how well does ubtouch run on it these days?], i have not going back to it for a week or two now as i was a bit too busy with another project
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], Okay so damn that's a really nice looking device 0.o
 it is
 [Edit] it is, one of the best device i've hold on
 i did not buy it anyway, got it mainly for dev
 @RealDanct12 [with that, it's still broken], streaming to what adapter? or there is something broken in halium 9?
 @dohbee [streaming to what adapter? or there is something broken in halium 9?], my tv has miracast built in
 @RealDanct12 [my tv has miracast built in], only known working well adapter is the ms wireless display adapter, i think. others may deviate from standard or such a bit and have other issues, and would need someone with such adapters to work on improvements to deal with them
 @RealDanct12 [<reply to media>], 😍
 @rogieroudshoorn [looks nice - how well does ubtouch run on it these days?], It's pretty smooth & swipe works really well with the curved edges!
 sounds like a much better setup then the cosmo phones, but still pretty expensive and they'll make you wait for months before you'll get it
 is it fully functional?
 @rogieroudshoorn [sounds like a much better setup then the cosmo phones, but still pretty expensiv …], Thats why I am interested to see what they are launching next week. They have plastered the Yumi logo on their teasers & sign up page.. so wondered what it could be.
 @Heng Ye [do setprop options persist], I don't think the Ubuntu namespace does... Set that in build.prop
 @rogieroudshoorn [is it fully functional?], Yeah it is & it the container is working as well
 hmm, guess i'll sign up then
 my OP5 has comparable hardware, and that's definately good enough
 the phone feels very luxury imo
 but i don't like oled displays, because after years it'll get burn in
 my OP5 does fine after more then 3 years ... and the colors you get are very nice
 @RealDanct12 [but i don't like oled displays, because after years it'll get burn in], My s2 was fine until about 24 hours of hill climb racing with virtually no break
 10 year old me was strange
 I've got the original Moto X. That thing has some crazy Android status bar and navbar burn in.
 burn-in happens on anything when you have stationary UI elements being constantly displayed for long periods
 @dohbee [burn-in happens on anything when you have stationary UI elements being constantl …], Yeah
 Mine had like the score and that
 LCD, OLED, doesn't matter. light + glass + heat == burn-in
 LCD doesn't get burn in, they get image persistence instead
 @RealDanct12 [the phone feels very luxury imo], I agree & the keyboard is a dream to type on.
 (Photo, 1080x2520) https://irc.ubports.com/TuW54OFg.png
[15:57] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> sailfish os browser
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> how do you feel using it? it's not that good
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] how do you feel using it? it's not as good as morph
[15:58] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> but sailfish in general looks much better
 (Photo, 1080x2520) https://irc.ubports.com/w7uZILk0.png
[16:00] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @jameshjacksonjr [<reply to media>], when is that article from?
[16:03] <ubptgbot> phmpg was added by: phmpg
 2 days ago on tuxmachines website i got a screenshot before it was taken down guess they jumped the gun and was supposed to wait till 27th
 To announce it
 Should be tomorrow
 Hello, is there a prediction for a Maxx moto?
 https://store.fxtec.com/something-special-is-coming-on-october-27th/
 Sorry. 27th then
 A few sites jumped the gun announcing it
 They quickly removed articles
 Well I guess we should too
[16:08] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> @jameshjacksonjr do you have any other info, the screenshot seems to be the top of the article
 Where it says read on in first screen shot at bottom when u click it errors out article was gone
 I wasnt quick enough clicking link before article left
 Seems like they are doing something good. Let them do the reveal in their own time
 I had heard they were leaking the article at a certain time 2 days ago for a few hours but got busy at work and miss the window of opportunity
 27 October is no time to wait 😀
 Exactly
 Are any planning to get one
[16:45] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> delivery times are so slow based on what i'm seing online
[16:45] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] delivery times are so slow based on what i'm sesing online
[16:45] <ubptgbot> <Heng Ye> [Edit] delivery times are so slow based on what i'm seeing online
[17:11] <ubptgbot> duckduckrice was added by: duckduckrice
 @Heng Ye [delivery times are so slow based on what i'm seeing online], Yeah with covid everything has slowed down correct
 @Flohack [No worries guys we are on the case], +1 !
[17:44] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> I can't make hotspots with ubports on pinephone anymore. I know that worked before. not sure when it stopped (have not tried for a long time)
[17:45] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> I do not see the hotspot wifi of the pinephone. any ideas?
 There is also a UT on Pinephone group. Might be a good idea to head there for advice
[17:47] <ubptgbot> <Benni S> @Stereofont [There is also a UT on Pinephone group. Might be a good idea to head there for ad …], thx
 https://t.me/utonpine
[18:01] <ubptgbot> access_denied404 was added by: access_denied404
 @Flohack teleports isn’t showing any messages, I tried uninstalling and reinstalling but it didn’t help, is there a fix for this?
 [Edit] @Flohack teleports isn’t showing any messages inside any chat, I tried uninstalling and reinstalling but it didn’t help, is there a fix for this?
 @ItsMeShouko [@Flohack teleports isn’t showing any messages inside any chat, I tried uninstall …], No sorry, it affects random users. Some reported it fixes itself after a few days. We seem not to receive any messages for chats from tdlib, but its not a bug in our code. Hard to trace
 Alright