[00:02] <karainier> https://pastebin.com/SELFqJUh - adding list of groups for daemon user
[00:03] <cobracommand> Anyone familiar with using /dev/null
[00:05] <basenode> does using full-disk encryption prevent me from deleting files/directories from sublime text?
[00:09] <Kurozen> hello
[00:09] <Kurozen> I get 404 when trying to add ppa:codeblocks-devs/release
[00:14] <Bashing-om> Kurozen: Like "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/codeblocks-devs/release/ubuntu bionic main" ? See: https://launchpad.net/~codeblocks-devs/+archive/ubuntu/release .
[00:15] <karainier> https://pastebin.com/65AkpRkS - added transmission permission denied log
[00:15] <karainier> Am I taking crazy pills?
[00:21] <Kurozen> Bashing-om: I have Kubuntu, I add the ppa as I'm suppose to, it does add it, starts updating, then fails
[00:23] <Bashing-om> Kurozen: Ouch - pastebin ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' so we see all in context.
[00:25] <Bashing-om> !paste | Kurozen
[00:26] <karainier> !pastebininit
[00:26] <karainier> !pastebinit
[00:27] <karainier> test !pastebinit
[00:28] <karainier> !pastebinit test
[00:29] <Kurozen> I asked the guys on #codeblocks, pending reply, I'll need to wrap up for today and try tomorrow.
[00:30] <Bashing-om> Kurozen: :D We are here to help.
[00:31] <adam0000345> Bashing-om in that case I have a question haha!
[00:31] <adam0000345> I finally booted into Ubuntu 20.4!
[00:31] <adam0000345> however, things are very slow
[00:31] <Kurozen> Oh sure, I mean to say it's late, I need to go to sleep, that's why.
[00:31] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: You *KNOW* I will try :P Ask and see how much I do not know :D
[00:32] <adam0000345> things were a lot faster on my regular hard drive :(
[00:32] <adam0000345> on Solid State, things are very slow
[00:32] <adam0000345> haha I know
[00:32] <adam0000345> :)
[00:32] <adam0000345> and thank you!
[00:33] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Any hints ' systemd-analyze blame ' ?
[00:33] <adam0000345> should I run that in terminal?
[00:35] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Yeah - in terminal.
[00:35] <adam0000345> ok I ran that
[00:35] <adam0000345> how long should I wait to expect a response
[00:36] <adam0000345> so I see snapd.seeded.servicew
[00:36] <adam0000345> as top one
[00:36] <adam0000345> 3 min
[00:36] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Will start immediatly with several "pages" of output.
[00:36] <adam0000345> 6.548s
[00:36] <adam0000345> it did not start immediately for me
[00:36] <adam0000345> had to wait 1 min
[00:38] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Something reeks big time on your system. "sysop@2004x-c:~$ systemd-analyze >> Startup finished in 2.786s (kernel) + 11.385s (userspace) = 14.171s" On real old hardware that I have managed to get an SSD working on.
[00:39] <adam0000345> any ideas, I just installed ubuntu on the whole drive
[00:39] <gurki> https://askubuntu.com/questions/1277817/is-tor-browser-installation-broken <- i got the same issue
[00:39] <gurki> is there a sane way to go forward?
[00:39] <gurki> i feel like manually messing with things isnt a very good idea
[00:40] <gurki> ubuntu 19.10
[00:40] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: "whole drive" ?? show us what you have - pastebin ' sudo fdisk -lu '. make sure here we are all on the same page.
[00:41] <adam0000345> ok will do one sec
[00:41] <gurki> i tried reinstalling (including purge) and manually providing gpg2 it seems to require although the dependency isnt resolved by apt
[00:41] <Bashing-om> !19.10 | gurki
[00:41] <adam0000345> is the command just pastebin 'sudo fdisk -lu'?
[00:41] <adam0000345> Bashing-om
[00:41] <karainier> @gurki sudo apt update ?
[00:42] <gurki> karainier: no new packages
[00:42] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: i like termbin the better ; ' sudo fdisk -lu | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[00:42] <gurki> Bashing-om: while i see how i should update my ubuntu install a "broken" package shouldnt come out of apt :-|
[00:43] <Bashing-om> gurki: The repo no longer exist to get any packages ?
[00:43] <adam0000345> I cant do that
[00:43] <adam0000345> no internet connection
[00:43] <gurki> i can install new packages ...
[00:44] <gurki> "new" probably being the final version thats in 19.10
[00:44] <gurki> its just torbrowser that stopped working lately
[00:45] <adam0000345> Bashing-om should I go into live usb and mount the drive
[00:45] <adam0000345> and show you info that way?
[00:45] <Bashing-om> gurki: The eoan repo is still on-line :)
[00:45] <gurki> id have been surprised if it werent.
[00:46] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: For our purpose presently either will work - but booting a live environment takes a spell.
[00:47] <gurki> so i guess its broken and ppl decided its wontfix since 19.10 is eol?
[00:47] <Bashing-om> gurki: EOL releases do die - http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/ .
[00:48] <Bashing-om> !eol | gurki
[00:49] <gurki> im fully aware what eol is. eol should mean that things are stuck on $versions, not things stopping to work
[00:49] <gurki> sb has to manually change a packge for it to stop working
[00:49] <gurki> thats sth different in my book
[00:49] <adam0000345> Bashing-om sadly I think I will have to do live boot
[00:49] <adam0000345> because Ubuntu is super slow
[00:49] <adam0000345> one sec
[00:49] <gurki> id need to strongly reconsider using ubuntu for anything i care about if that were the current ubuntu approach
[00:50] <gurki> hence why im picky on this one
[00:52] <Bashing-om> gurki: Your choice - ubuntu moves on every 6 months.
[00:55] <sarnold> gurki: if you don't want to upgrade every six months, you can stick to the LTS releases
[01:07] <adam0000345> Bashing-om what is the command to mount
[01:10] <Bashing-om> adam0000345:From live ' sudo mkdir /mnt/look ' sudo mount /dev/<sdXY) /mnt/look/ ' where the sdXY is known from the result of ' sudo fdisk -lu ' .
[01:11] <nikolam> Shouldn't upgrade app (do-ubuntu-upgrade) say in GUI: "Upgrading Ubuntu to version 20.10" ? It is now saying "Upgrading Ubuntu to version 20.04" instead and it shouold be 20.10
[01:12] <Bashing-om> nikolam: Not if you are upgrading from 18.04 AND release_upgrader is set to "LTS".
[01:12] <nikolam> I am on 20.04
[01:12] <adam0000345> ok I did sudo mount /dev/sda2 /
[01:12] <adam0000345> that is what I was booting from
[01:13] <nikolam> Bashing-om, and release updater is set to any newer version as I know.
[01:15] <Bashing-om> nikolam: verify: what shows ' grep -i ^prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades ' ?
[01:16] <nikolam> Bashing-om, Prompt=normal
[01:16] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Ho-kay - for what reason are you mounting sda2 ?
[01:16] <adam0000345> because that is what I was booting ubuntu from
[01:17] <Bashing-om> nikolam: Agreed - should workie :( .. is the current 20.04 system fully updated ' sudo apt update ; sudo apt upgrade ' ?
[01:17] <nikolam> lsb_release -a and cat /etc/*release says Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS , uname -a says 5.4.0-52-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP
[01:18] <nikolam> Bashing-om, yes, and yust updated minutes ago and reboted prior starting upgrade to newer version. It is I suppose bug in updater, not reporting newer release
[01:18] <adam0000345> Bashing-om I went onto live usb and now I cannot connect to the internet :(
[01:18] <adam0000345> it was working before
[01:18] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Has no relevance, however, to know the drive's partitioning .. as to what the system is looking for - which in due time we will get to.
[01:20] <Bashing-om> nikolam: nvidia graphics ? And the propriatary driver reverted ?
[01:21] <nikolam> Bashing-om, amdgpu, AMD RX480 and Intel 4600 (i5 4570)
[01:21] <adam0000345> any reason why my internet is not working now on live USB
[01:21] <adam0000345> it was just working this morning
[01:22] <adam0000345> so I am confused as to why my internet is causing these issues
[01:23] <nikolam> Bashing-om, ony thing there is is that amdgpu repo from launchpad.. olaf something.. and I deisabled it and others (but not uninstalling) before upgrade started
[01:23] <Bashing-om> nikolam: So much for my Nvidia thought - All I can suggest at this point is to pastebin the output of that ' sudo do-release-upgrade ' for the channel's inspection. See what we can learn.
[01:24] <adam0000345> should I restart my live usb?
[01:24] <adam0000345> maybe I can still get wifi?
[01:24] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: maybe try and reboot both the router and the liveUSB ?
[01:25] <adam0000345> I am getting wifi from my current laptop?
[01:25] <nikolam> Bashing-om, I have upgrade running on route. Should I just stop it and restart it since, it is just still fetching files now?
[01:26] <nikolam> ok, doing it
[01:30] <nikolam> nikolam, can't re-do do-release-upgrade, it already moved sources in sources.list to 20.10 I suppose. Now updater offers partial upgrade, because I stipped it in mid-upgrade..
[01:31] <nikolam> I can go back to previous state of affairs with Btrfs snaphost I have and start over. :D
[01:33] <Bashing-om> nikolam: Oh Dear ! Maybe a fix ? .. what shows ' cat /etc/issue ; cat /etc/lsb-release ' ?
[01:35] <oft_gegong> I can only solve like 3% of all problems posted in this channel. Why am I even here?
[01:35] <karainier> lol
[01:36] <karainier> Update
[01:36] <sarnold> well if you handle 3% and I handle 3% and Bashing-om handles 3% that's like, 90% left
[01:36] <karainier> sudo -u vpn touch /media/kyle/media/test gets permission denied
[01:36] <karainier> cd /media/kyle/media && touch test works
[01:40] <sarnold> karainier: namei -l /media/kyle/media/test  may help you understand what permissions are necessary
[01:42] <karainier> Yeah, I'm pretty sure i've got the chmod and chown stuff right, this one is weird
[01:42] <karainier> Not sure if it's related to a mount or something
[01:43] <karainier> https://pastebin.com/65AkpRkS - shows user of daemon, group of user, group permissions for relevant dirs. Yet no touchy.
[01:46] <sarnold> karainier: so, my guess, sudo may not be setting the supplementary groups of your new process as you're expecting
[01:47] <karainier> Someone in the #linux channel asked if it was my users 'primary' group, is that a thing?
[01:47] <karainier> I thought a group was a group
[01:47] <karainier> Any way to set 'primary' if there be such a thing? This user has one job...
[01:47] <sarnold> karainier: I don't know off-hand what sudo does for the supplementary groups of a process
[01:48] <sarnold> karainier: you could use https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html#SupplementaryGroups=  to include the 'vpn' group in the process if you switch to using a systemd unit file to start transmission
[01:48] <adam0000345> Bashing-om I got internet, ok getting you info soon
[01:49] <karainier> I'll head down the ol' rabbit hole, beats googling 'transmission permission denied'
[01:49] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: \o/
[01:49] <adam0000345> do I have to mount to run this
[01:49] <adam0000345> sudo fdisk -lu | nc termbin.com 9999 ' .
[01:49] <karainier> Great, I do use systemd, I just couldn't get logging to a file going (because of the same issue) so I ran as shown to see live output
[01:49] <adam0000345> or do you just want the results?
[01:50] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: No mounting . just that command and post back the link it provides.
[01:50] <adam0000345> ok will do ow
[01:52] <adam0000345> I am getting no link
[01:52] <sarnold> karainier: heh, that makes sense; it might also be worth configuring the unit file to capture stdout and stderr to the journal (I  think this is the default), and then you can use journalctl -f in one terminal, try things in another terminal, etc..
[01:53] <adam0000345> I run this sudo fdisk -lu | nc termbin.com 9999
[01:56] <karainier> sarnold nice, didn't occur to me. I like it.
[01:59] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Hum - tool not installed by default ? what shows ' which nc ' ?
[01:59] <adam0000345> now my internet has gone back down :(
[01:59] <adam0000345> no internet
[01:59] <adam0000345> but I have it on my laptop
[01:59] <adam0000345> my other laptop
[01:59] <adam0000345> so it is not a wifi router problem I think
[02:11] <adam0000345> Bashing-om I get /usr/bin/nc
[02:11] <sybariten> oh hai
[02:11] <adam0000345> that is what I get
[02:12] <sybariten> i'm completely new to snap packages. I'm trying to install one, called bpytop. And it all seems normal. But i can't run it afterwards. Whats the first thing i wanna check? I expected to get a "bpytop" executable in my path.
[02:12] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Then the fault of not connectiing to "nc" is not your system end :(
[02:12] <adam0000345> what is another tool?
[02:12] <adam0000345> any other way I can post a link here
[02:12] <adam0000345> Bashing-om
[02:13] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: There is as to topic advises " pastbinit" amongst a score of others :D
[02:13] <sybariten> i installed snapd via apt-get and then i installed bpytop with sudo snap install bpytop. Do i typically have to do something more? This is python based and requires python-psutil, which i installed previously (using apt) . And python3.6 which i supposedly have
[02:15] <adam0000345> Bashing-om any easy examples
[02:15] <adam0000345> something I can just use really quick
[02:17] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: ' sudo fdisk -lu | pastebinit ' = providing that pastebinit is installed.
[02:17] <adam0000345> ok installed it
[02:18] <adam0000345> Bashing-om BOOM GOT IT
[02:18] <adam0000345> here is the link
[02:19] <adam0000345> https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xssVHcZTBB/
[02:19] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Looking ^ ,
[02:19] <adam0000345> thanks
[02:20] <nikolam> I have done: btrfs subvolume snapshot @_snapshot @now , and then sudo mv /mnt/@ /mnt/@_badroot sudo mv /mnt/@now /mnt/@  . But when trying sudo btrfs subvolume delete /mnt/@_badroot , get error: ERROR: Could not destroy subvolume/snapshot: Directory not empty ...
[02:21] <nikolam> what .. directory, when that is now unmounted btrfs subvolume..? (and system booted right form @ now.. (that is replaced older snapshot..)
[02:22] <sybariten> problem solved everyone! Apparenlty after a freshly installed snap (or snapd!) you should log out and log in, to get things into your $PATH ....
[02:22] <nikolam> It's 20.04.1 on Btrfs
[02:25] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Well, going to expose my ignorance - I expected to see a Boot flag - as I do not I am dead in the water for additional help as now I do not know. Anyway - sdb1 is what is that drive a factor ?
[02:26] <adam0000345> sdb1 used to have the MAC OS installed onit
[02:26] <adam0000345> I wiped it
[02:26] <adam0000345> I want to use it as an extra drive I can mount
[02:30] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: sdb1 - OK . We can ignore that drive for now - however as I have no EFI experience I do not know what to expect for the boot flag ( see your output for sdc ).
[02:31] <adam0000345> the sdc is for my usb stick
[02:31] <adam0000345> Bashing-om
[02:31] <nikolam> just using rm on Btrfs subvolume dataset/snapshot worked removing it.
[02:32] <adam0000345> the EFI System is the 512 M on /dev/sda1
[02:35] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Yeah but note that the USB stick has a boot flag - whereas your sda does not :(
[02:35] <adam0000345> the boot flag is the EFI (Fat012...)?
[02:35] <adam0000345> Bashing-om
[02:36] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Got me -- my knowlege is not up to answering :(
[02:36] <adam0000345> how do you know that the USB stick has a boot flag?
[02:37] <adam0000345> oh the * in the boot?
[02:37] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Yeah -- that one :P
[02:41] <adam0000345> are you sure drives are supposed to have that?
[02:41] <adam0000345> does yours have that?
[02:41] <adam0000345> Bashing-om
[02:41] <adam0000345> I did a default ubuntu install
[02:41] <adam0000345> on the whole dirve
[02:41] <adam0000345> that was the output
[02:43] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Mine: https://termbin.com/k1eu - note that I boot legacy mode.
[02:49] <adam0000345> Bashing-om was that default install?
[02:50] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: NO - I preset my partitions for my use cases.
[02:50] <karainier> Issue resolve. Apparently my "effective permissions" were incorrect. Used getfacl to uncover and setfacl to correct
[02:50] <karainier> Thanks for the pointers guys
[02:53] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Another look at what I have installed: https://termbin.com/5zec .
[02:55] <adam0000345> does this mean that the default ubuntu install is messed up?
[02:56] <adam0000345> since I do not see the boot flag?
[02:56] <adam0000345> whats weird is that I can boot into /dev/sda2
[02:56] <adam0000345> it is just super slow
[02:57] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: No does not "mean" that --- just that as I am legacy and you are EFI we should not vpmpare apples to oranges . Someone who also boots EFI on a SSD should advise.
[02:57] <Bashing-om> compare*
[02:58] <adam0000345> that makes sense, I am all ears for any advice, I have been pounding on this problem for days
[02:58] <adam0000345> I feel I am close
[02:58] <adam0000345> since I finally got Ubuntu to boot
[02:58] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: Do you also boot up very slowly ? My thoght is that maybe - as boot is not identified the system is spending time hunting for files.
[02:59] <adam0000345> I think that is true because when I boot from sda2
[02:59] <adam0000345> it spends a while booting
[02:59] <adam0000345> I get a black screen
[02:59] <adam0000345> and a bunch of texts with Ok Ok Ok
[02:59] <adam0000345> until I get into Ubuntu
[03:00] <adam0000345> so it is defintly hunting for files I believe
[03:00] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: And with SSD, you should boot up in 2 seconds or so !
[03:00] <adam0000345> yes which is why I bought it!
[03:00] <adam0000345> I thought my SSD is not compatible but the fact that I see you are using Samsung SSD as well
[03:00] <adam0000345> makes me feel better
[03:00] <adam0000345> so at least I can cross that off the list
[03:01] <adam0000345> besides hanging out here and hoping for an answer are there any other areas where I can ask my question?
[03:01] <adam0000345> Ask Ubuntu stack overflow?
[03:02] <adam0000345> the issue here is I think I have to keep reexplaining the problme
[03:02] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: While we wait - we can read the boot log - see if we get any hints on the delays . ' journalctl -b -0 ' shows messages from the current boot. I got nothing better to do now than read a log file :D
[03:03] <Bashing-om> adam0000345: I frequent ubuntuforum.org. That is a great resource too.
[03:04] <Bashing-om> *https://ubuntuforums.org/
[03:27] <DarwinElf> if I want the 'touch-focused' GUI on a Lenovo X1 Yoga (x86 (64)) do I need to install UBPorts or I just install the standard Ubuntu OS then install Unity?
[03:49] <n00b101> Hi
[03:50] <n00b101> I installed 20.4-1 server image.
[03:50] <n00b101> I cannot do upgrade
[03:50] <n00b101> archive.ubuntu.* is not reachable
[03:51] <n00b101> tried nl.archive.*
[03:52] <n00b101> This time, I could fetch few packages, but still, it's saying not reachable
[03:52] <n00b101> Basically, I cannot upgrade/update the system
[03:53] <tomreyn> n00b101: this can be a dns / resolver issue, or bad network connectivity (packet loss, bad routing)
[03:55] <n00b101> I've a good network
[03:55] <n00b101> I could ping other sites
[03:55] <tomreyn> n00b101: you could use systemd-resolv to test resolving some domain names (it needs to be different ones, due to caching, though the cache can be cleared), or run a traceroute to different targets and see whether packets reachtheir target, and use ping to different targets to see how many packets are lost
[03:55] <n00b101> I'll try
[03:55] <tomreyn> could also be a problem with a proxy server
[03:56] <n00b101> No proxy server
[03:56] <n00b101> I'll try what you said
[03:56] <tomreyn> there can be some you haven'T configured
[03:56] <tomreyn> transparent proxies run by your isp / hosting provider
[03:56] <tomreyn> maybe start by showing   apt update 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[03:56] <n00b101> Oops! If I remember correctly, the TUI while install asked me for a proxy server and I left it blank
[04:00] <n00b101> tomreyn: what is the meaning of piping output to nc
[04:00] <n00b101> Why
[04:00] <n00b101> That's a paste-like service?
[04:00] <tomreyn> n00b101: yes
[04:01] <n00b101> How you read it
[04:01] <tomreyn> you don't have to, of course. it's just a way of sharing it with us
[04:01] <tomreyn> n00b101: you'd need to post the url retruned on your temrinal
[04:01] <n00b101> that's cool
[04:01] <n00b101> Okay
[04:19] <n00b101> tomreyn: just asking
[04:20] <n00b101> apt update 2>&1 | termbin.com 9999 is the same as apt update | termbin.com 9999
[04:20] <n00b101> ?
[04:20] <n00b101> I mean, why 2>&1 is necessary?
[04:20] <lotuspsychje> n00b101: please when volunteers ask something, they need it?
[04:20] <n00b101> It's outputting everything anyway
[04:21] <n00b101> lotuspsychje: I'm just clear my understandings
[04:21] <n00b101> Not questioning what they told me
[04:22] <lotuspsychje> n00b101: you can use #ubuntu-discuss for command discussions if you like
[04:22] <Bashing-om> n00b101: "2>&1" to insure that error notices are not discarded,
[04:31] <tomreyn> n00b101: i got side tracked there, but looks like you got your question answered already. :)
[04:41] <lotuspsychje> n00b101: did you get an output allright?
[04:43] <n00b101> Okay
[04:47] <random1> I know this isnt the right chat but can anyone help me with a problem i got with WordPress on Ubuntu 20.04
[04:47] <random1> u can message me if u like.
[04:47] <random1> im at the end of it all and just stuck on something
[04:47] <random1> apache web server wont start @_@
[04:47] <bumblefuzz> why?
[04:48] <random1> https://www.osradar.com/install-xampp-ubuntu-20-04/
[04:48] <random1> Im using XAMPP.
[04:48] <random1> Easy install. It goes through and everything. I get to the point where i am supposed to start the apache web server
[04:48] <random1> and it says "starting" (5 seconds) "stopped"
[04:48] <random1> tried disabling firewall. same deal
[04:48] <bumblefuzz> how do you start it?
[04:49] <random1> exactly like on that tutorial
[04:49] <random1> sudo ./xampp-linux-x64-7.4.10-0-installer.run
[04:49] <random1> chmod it and everything
[04:49] <bumblefuzz> that sounds like how you install xampp
[04:49] <bumblefuzz> how do you start the service?
[04:50] <bumblefuzz> sudo systemctl start xamppd
[04:50] <random1> no clue
[04:50] <bumblefuzz> or similar?
[04:50] <random1> i cant get past that part on the installation.
[04:50] <bumblefuzz> try 'sudo systemctl status xamppd'
[04:50] <tomreyn> apt install lamp^     is less typing, and you get software you can maintain
[04:50] <random1> cant be found
[04:51] <tomreyn> oops, sorry, i need to look up what the task is called
[04:51] <random1> cant be found for bumblefuzz and tomreyn
[04:52] <random1> just need to get this working so i can start the tutorials in the morning
[04:52] <random1> going insane on this -_-
[04:52] <random1> midnight and my brains pooting out
[04:53] <tomreyn> lamp-server^
[04:54] <tomreyn> so: sudo apt install lamp-server^
[04:54] <random1> its installing
[04:54] <random1> now once it installs how do i start wordpress ?
[04:54] <n00b101> Seems update error got fixed when I added my country prefix.archieve.ubuntu.*
[04:54] <random1> will have to go through a tutorial i guess
[04:55] <n00b101> But, upgrade speed is only 30-40kb/s
[04:55] <n00b101> I have good internet
[04:55] <n00b101> Reflector package is not available for Ubuntu?
[04:55] <tomreyn> random1: you can either install an older wordpress version from ubuntu archives (but i wouldn't), or follow the instructions on wordpress.org
[04:55] <n00b101> I tried to install it and saying; E: Unable to locate package reflector
[04:55] <random1> tomreyn: i have seen a 100 different tutorials. you got any one you can link me?
[04:56] <random1> tomreyn: im losing it tonight. just want someone to spoon feed me for one second :P
[04:56] <random1> just one second. let me get spoon fed is all i ask!
[04:56] <tomreyn> n00b101: then a package by this very name was not available from the sources you have configured at the time the apt cache was last refreshed
[04:56] <random1> lol
[04:57] <ax562> lol
[04:57] <ax562> feed the man
[04:57] <random1> starving over here
[04:57] <lotuspsychje> random1: please easy on the enter button, this is a support channel not a chitchat
[04:58] <random1> lotuspsychje: sorry -_-
[04:58] <n00b101> tomreyn: can I do something now?
[04:59] <tomreyn> random1: if you'Re looking for brainfood, there's a lot of documentation you could, and, if you're setting this up for the first time, should, read.
[04:59] <random1> i agree. seems alot of different documentations for XAMPP then LAMP etc etc
[04:59] <tomreyn> that is, for the compoentns that make up the 'lamp-server'
[04:59] <random1> just have tried this a few times failing. will go at it again. alright thank you anyhow
[05:00] <random1> do appreciate the lamp install info
[05:00] <tomreyn> i.e. apache https, mysql server, php. and then follow the wordpress.org documentaiton on installing that.
[05:00] <tomreyn> !man
[05:00] <lotuspsychje> n00b101: if apt-cache does not return an output, the package isnt there?
[05:00] <random1> tomreyn: thank you
[05:01] <lotuspsychje> n00b101: alternate you can check your !sources see if you want packages from other repos, or search snaps
[05:01] <n00b101> ! sources
[05:04] <tomreyn> random1: also see the "Services" documentation on https://ubuntu.com/server/docs
[05:04] <random1> tomreyn: gotchya. appreciate it
[05:06] <tomreyn> n00b101: if you were looking for this software    https://www.airsquirrels.com/reflector/try    - they don't seem to support Linux.
[05:47] <n00b101> Btw,
[05:47] <n00b101> What should be in sources.list?
[05:47] <n00b101> Same repo for all releases?
[05:52] <n00b101> I mean, I use 20.04 lts
[05:53] <tomreyn> !20.04
[05:53] <n00b101> Can I have same repository as Ubuntu 18
[05:53] <tomreyn> codename is "focal", this should be present on sources.list
[05:53] <tomreyn> you should never mix repositories from different releases
[05:54] <tomreyn> (unless it's explicitly stated that this is supported by who managed the apt repository that you chose to trust)
[05:54] <tomreyn> *manageS
[05:55] <Bashing-om> n00b101: For an instance - my spartan sources.list file: https://termbin.com/pvso .
[05:58] <n00b101> Bashing-om: can I use the same for my 20.04-1 lts ?
[05:58] <n00b101> I mean, do all releases have unique repo?
[06:00] <Bashing-om> n00b101: That mirror is in Chicago Ill. While it is verry fast - your time travel may be a factor. But yes you can use that sources.list file.
[06:03] <Bashing-om> n00b101: "There are 529 mirrors registered for Ubuntu." https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+archivemirrors
[06:19] <TJ-> !info python-scour focal
[06:19] <TJ-> haha! bug
[06:28] <krytarik> Because it's python3 only now..
[06:32] <Bashing-om> !info python3-scour focal
[06:42] <TJ-> missing python-scour breaks Inkscape optimised SVG save
[07:01] <n00b101> sudo apt install resize
[07:01] <n00b101> E: Unable to locate package resize
[07:02] <TJ-> n00b101: because there is no package 'resize'
[07:02] <n00b101> Is it within a group?
[07:02] <n00b101> For arch Linux, it's in xterm group
[07:03] <TJ-> n00b101: what is a group? not heard that expression
[07:03] <TJ-> n00b101: are you looking for an *executable command* ?
[07:03] <n00b101> how can I get resize binary installed
[07:03] <TJ-> n00b101: the apt-file package and executable can search the entire archive lists for any filename fragment
[07:03] <ducasse> n00b101: it's in the xterm package
[07:03] <TJ-> !info apt-file
[07:04] <n00b101> Okay
[07:04] <n00b101> ducasse: okay
[07:05] <n00b101> Is there a way to search for a package that is only available when I install a specific package?
[07:05] <n00b101> Consider current situation
[07:05] <n00b101> I wanted resize and it's available inside xterm because you said. Can I search for it?
[07:08] <ducasse> you can use apt-file ike TJ- suggested
[07:09] <mgedmin> command-not-found usually tells you what to install if you try to run a thing that's not installed
[07:15] <cjoke> Where to find python3-pip python3-venv in focal server LTS ?
[07:16] <TJ-> !info python3-pip focal
[07:16] <mgedmin> what do you mean by 'where'?  apt install python3-pip python3-venv
[07:16] <cjoke> mgedmin: gives me nothing
[07:16] <mgedmin> if apt says it doesn't know anyhting, enable universe with sudo add-apt-repository universe
[07:16] <TJ-> cjoke: ensure "universe" repository is enabled in software properties
[07:18] <cjoke> TJ-: ic, thanks :)
[07:29] <lotuspsychje> im noticing in 20.04 after installing teamviewer, the snap-store doesnt list teamviewer under installed apps so i have to purge it via synaptic, it might be interesting to test this on 20.10 too, anyone else noticed it i can file a bug or affect and existing?
[07:30] <mgedmin> how did you install it?
[07:30] <mgedmin> hm, synaptic implies a deb package
[07:30] <mgedmin> there was that little incident last week(?) where a snap store channel for snap-store had accidentally expired
[07:31] <mgedmin> and some people were upgraded to the wrong version of snap-store that didn't have the right deb integration bits
[07:31] <lotuspsychje> mgedmin: teamviewer is via their website/deb/ppa so not really supported, but i assume this could happen to other software too
[07:31] <mgedmin> ah!  I don't know if snap-store is supposed to show locally-installed .debs not linked to any known repository
[07:33] <lotuspsychje> yeah that might be the logic mgedmin, ill have a look around more
[07:43] <halt> HI All, I found a bug after system update, but unsure what package it comes from so don't know where to raise it, can someone help me to identify it ? It's around the compose key, I set my compose key to be Caps Lock as I never use it, but since the update I have to set and re-set again to make it work.
[07:50] <mgedmin> halt: probably gnome-settings-daemon
[08:34] <boothead> Hey folks, I was in here a little while ago when some kind of update (sunday evening)? Borked my wl driver. I've managed to build a driver for my wired connection and get back online, but both my wireless and my audio are still not working. I'm afraid I'm a bit stuck, can anyone help me out?
[08:43] <tomreyn> actually, "wl" IS a wireless module, for some broadcom chipsets.
[08:43] <tomreyn> oh, you didn't state otherwise, i misread.
[08:44] <boothead> Hi tomreyn - not sure if you remember you were helping me on monday
[08:45] <tomreyn> boothead: i rmeember i was trying, but not very good at it.
[08:46] <boothead> Honestly - I haven't had this much of a frustrating experience with linux of any flavour for 10 years or so - I thought we were over the hump, year of the deskop etc ;-)
[08:46] <TJ-> boothead: the problem you've got is non-mainline out-of-tree kernel modules, that don't get supported by the chipset manufacturers
[08:47] <boothead> Possibly related (in that these issues sound similar): https://askubuntu.com/questions/1285883/no-sound-after-update-from-ubuntu-18-10-to-20-04 https://askubuntu.com/questions/1284262/default-audio-device-typically-built-in-analog-does-not-show-in-kubuntu-20-10
[08:47] <boothead> TJ- I didn't do anything special to set up the sound card when I installed ubuntu ~2 months ago (at least not that I remember)
[08:48] <TJ-> boothead: for audio, often the issue is the HDMI audio device is discovered first and gets index 0 and that is used by default. So it needs the default changing via user's pulseaudio settings, or system-wide via the ALSA config
[08:48] <boothead> Is there a way to use my broadcom based wireless adapter in a way that is better supported
[08:49] <boothead> TJ- ha that makes sense - you wouldn't have a link to docs on how to do that would you?
[08:49] <TJ-> boothead: "aplay -l" will show you the audio device list and indexes
[08:50] <TJ-> boothead: also: https://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Setting_the_default_device
[08:51] <ApOgEE> boothead: which broadcom driver u're using?
[08:51] <boothead> Oh - that's weird pavucontrol now shows all my devices and the sound it working! I didn't even do anything! but the sound control in my xmobar is still saying N/A
[08:51] <boothead> bcmwl-kernel-source ApOgEE
[08:53] <ApOgEE> which BCM is your device boothead ?
[08:54] <boothead> Network controller: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter (rev 03)
[08:56] <TJ-> boothead: use "lspci -nn -d ::0280"
[08:56] <boothead> 05:00.0 Network controller [0280]: Broadcom Inc. and subsidiaries BCM4360 802.11ac Wireless Network Adapter [14e4:43a0] (rev 03)
[08:56] <TJ-> boothead: to match drivers we need the vendor:product IDs - 14e4:43a0
[08:56] <boothead> Ah gotcha
[08:57] <TJ-> drivers 'claim' those vendor:product IDs to indicate they can handle that device
[08:58] <TJ-> boothead: you can also try "ubuntu-driver list"
[08:59] <boothead> bcmwl-kernel-source is the only non-nvidia one included there
[09:03] <ApOgEE> boothead: perhaps you may try this solution https://askubuntu.com/questions/1190728/broadcom-bcm4360-not-working-after-software-update
[09:06] <boothead> ApOgEE that looks promising! I have linux-image-generic-hwe-20.04  whereas all the other linux-image-5.4.0-*-generic are signed kernel images
[09:08] <boothead> uname says  5.4.0-52-generic, so which version would I need do you think? (I already tried manually downloading and dpkg -i 'ing these: bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.271+bdcom-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb bcmwl-kernel-source_6.30.223.271+bdcom-0ubuntu7_amd64.deb
[09:09] <mgedmin> (dpkg -i is a bad idea usually; you want packages to come from a repository that offers timely upgrades)
[09:11] <boothead> mgedmin this was when I didn't have access to the internet :-)  I've since removed and reinstalled with apt (but it still isn't working :-)  )
[09:13] <lotuspsychje> boothead: broadcom driver you can install offline from your install media too inside /pool
[09:14] <boothead> lotuspsychje I tried that too - I think the update may have updated the kernel version?
[09:14] <boothead> WHUUUT?! modprobe wl just worked and I have my link back
[09:15] <boothead> Another update in the background perhaps? I haven't done anything to it :-D
[09:15] <lotuspsychje> boothead: its been a while since i notices broadcom issues, theu usually work nicely out of the box these days
[09:15] <mgedmin> it is a mystery (but there are logs probably if you want to solve it)
[09:19] <ApOgEE> boothead: great
[09:22] <zetheroo> How do you define the default shortcuts in the launcher?
[09:23] <zetheroo> I want to make it so that when a new user account is created there is a different set of default shortcuts there
[09:26] <quadrathoch2> zetheroo: on which DE are you on?
[09:26] <zetheroo> the default for 20.04 ... I guess Gnome
[09:27] <matsaman> https://askubuntu.com/questions/38331/how-to-change-default-launcher-icons-in-unity-for-a-new-user https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2295413
[09:27] <quadrathoch2> Ahh sorry I don’t know too much about gnome, but I guess it’s probably a dconf setting (which is in /etc/dconf/)
[09:29] <zetheroo>  matsaman: ok, thanks ... will give that a try
[10:15] <pyrophilia> keyboard is malfunctioning. the quote  key is doing this ****
[10:17] <pyrophilia> Have tried two different keyboard same issue across all devices.
[10:17] <pyrophilia> so it cannot be hardware.
[10:18] <pyrophilia> latest version btw. fully updated
[10:20] <nanothief> pyrophilia, sounds like a keyboard layout issue. Try https://help.ubuntu.com/stable/ubuntu-help/keyboard-layouts.html.en and try changing it to English (US) or similar
[10:33] <pyrophilia> its been set as such for awhile  I do have japanese installed and switched back and forth but no luck
[10:33] <pyrophilia> ***** same issue
[10:43] <absurdist> is it possible to update from 18.04 diretly to Gnarly Godzilla?
[10:44] <dalurka> usually you can only skip versions that are between LTS releases
[10:45] <absurdist> thank you very much dalurka san
[10:58] <zetheroo> I asked earlier about changing the default sidebar/launcher shortcuts for new users, but the URL I got was to a very topic. Does anyone know of what works currently?
[11:08] <quadrathoch2> Ohh, you were talking about the sidebar shortcuts. Look into gsettings get org.gnome.shell.extension.dash-to-dock <tab> (for all the options) (to set them use set. (And then you can put them into the /etc/dconf conf file you create specifically for it (please do search in your fav search engine as I am on mobile right now. So kinda sucks to search right now) zetheroo
[11:12] <zetheroo>  quadrathoch2: ok, I am using  dconf-editor and found the location you mention ... I'll see if I can make some sense of it ...
[11:13] <quadrathoch2> Just ping me here is you need more assistance. Just remind yourself that I am on mobile zetheroo
[11:15] <imi> hi
[11:16] <imi> I've updated my 20.04 lts today, and now after update it only boots to an (initramfs) prompt
[11:17] <imi> how do I fix this?
[11:19] <quadrathoch2> imi: I guess we need more info, what specifically happens
[11:20] <imi> I used the default gui updater which autostarts when there are new updates
[11:20] <imi> what else would you like to know?
[11:21] <imi> I did not upgrade to 20.10. I updated my lts
[11:21] <quadrathoch2> Hm, do you maybe know if you use some hardware which could interfere with kernel updates?
[11:22] <imi> this ubuntu boots from usbc
[11:22] <quadrathoch2> Something like a Nvidia gpu or wifi card
[11:22] <mgedmin> what are the errors shown before you get the initramfs prompt?
[11:22] <imi> no nvidia, intel wifi but disabled
[11:23] <quadrathoch2> Ugh, that sounds weird. Does the boot process give you any hint maybe (with maybe removing quiet from the grub menu)
[11:23] <imi> ok let me try to do that brb
[11:28] <imi> hi
[11:28] <imi> for some reason now my ubuntu booted up perfectly
[11:29] <imi> I think it's prime time to do an unplanned backup now
[11:35] <quadrathoch2> Sounds like a very good idea. But interesting that now it works fine imi
[11:36] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[11:36] <imi> when I first rebooted it booted the windows OS (which is secondary)
[11:36] <imi> but then I unplugged and replugged and then it booted up to initramfs
[11:37] <imi> then you told me to try to boot without quitet and splash and now it booted up. a bit strange but maybe it'll be ok from now on
[11:38] <Deano59> hello BluesKaj :)
[11:38] <BluesKaj> hi Deano59
[11:47] <aLeSD> hi all
[11:47] <aLeSD> how could I randomize the root passwd ?
[11:48] <lotuspsychje> aLeSD: randomize?
[11:48] <aLeSD> sudo passwd -l root
[11:48] <imi> random.org maybe?
[11:49] <aLeSD> \o/
[11:49] <Deano59> or a password manager like lastpass.
[12:51] <zetheroo>  quadrathoch2: not really seeing anything here that looks like shortcuts
[12:52] <zetheroo> there is 'show-favorites' ... maybe I need to change the favorites?
[12:56] <quadrathoch2> zetheroo: sorry I misremembered. It’s just the normal favorite apps, so it’s under org.gnome.shell favorite-apps
[12:56] <JayDoubleu> Any one knows if ubuntu server 20.10 does have snaps installed by default?
[12:56] <quadrathoch2> JayDoubleu: yes it does
[12:56] <JayDoubleu> darn it
[12:56] <zetheroo> quadrathoch2: great, ok
[12:57] <JayDoubleu> and If I want to install gnome without the SNAP, is there a way to do that?
[12:57] <quadrathoch2> JayDoubleu: just remove it oO
[12:59] <quadrathoch2> JayDoubleu: theoretically yes. But it’s just way more work than just removing it
[13:02] <JayDoubleu> so if I remove the snaps and i have gnome as snap, will i have to reinstall the gnome ?
[13:04] <tomreyn> JayDoubleu: as far as i know, (have not tested / checked 20.10), you can still remove snadp (and thus all snaps) safely without breaking the gnome DE.
[13:07] <quadrathoch2> JayDoubleu: the Gnome snap that is installed is not the DE you use, it’s just the „libs“ for the gnome stuff
[13:08] <trupsalms> Good morning all
[13:11] <trupsalms> I'm running darkice on Ubuntu, I have about 3 USB mic, I notice some time that the initial order is changed on some reboots, card 1, will now be card 3, 3 would be 2 and etc. Is there i way I could map to the device ID of the USB mics, so that it doesn't change.
[13:14] <tomreyn> trupsalms: i assume those don't show up in    ls /dev/input/by-id/usb-*    or do they?
[13:15] <trupsalms> ls /dev/input/by-id/usb-*
[13:16] <trupsalms> device          = hw:1,0
[13:16] <tomreyn> ah, probably rather /dev/snd/
[13:17] <trupsalms> Darkice uses this term to ident the device
[13:18] <tomreyn> that's the alsa denominator to point to the hardware in the order it was initialized in, i think.
[13:19] <tomreyn> https://www.alsa-project.org/wiki/Changing_card_IDs_with_udev should work, but there may be a better way to do it
[13:21] <tomreyn> https://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleUSBAudioDevices
[13:21] <tomreyn> this also suggests udev
[13:27] <trupsalms> I've seen a few post about udev, all seems unsure when using darkice, because of the reboots still
[13:28] <basenode> does using full-disk encryption prevent me from deleting files/directories from sublime text?
[13:28] <trupsalms> Another option I'm thinking about is, someway of forcing the device to keep there names on reboot, but how would that be possible
[13:29] <tomreyn> basenode: "sublime text" is some third party text editor, i think? seems very unlikely.
[13:29] <basenode> tomreyn: apparently its related to sublime needing to put deleted files into trash, but FDE somehow changes the Trash location/id?
[13:31] <tomreyn> basenode: no, it doesn't. "trash" would be a file system location, but FDE does not modify the file system, it's a separate block device layer.
[13:32] <basenode> tomreyn: https://forum.sublimetext.com/t/unable-to-delete-files-folders/6470/4
[13:32] <tomreyn> that's assuming that by "FDE" you're referring to the full disk encryption option offered by the ubuntu installers, i.e. dmcrypt-LUKS (managed through cryptsetup)
[13:34] <tomreyn> basenode: a python library reporting file system permissions issues has nothing to do with dmcrypt-LUKS.
[13:48] <basenode> tomreyn: what exactly is the solution?
[13:48] <basenode> didn't really understand from the thread
[13:53] <zetheroo> is it possible to set a command to be run when a new user is created?
[13:54] <tomreyn> basenode: we usually don't try to support software not available in ubuntu here. i can't tell whether this is or was a bug in the send2trash python module, and the 2017 "solution" of changing permissions on the Trash directory certainly isn't the right approach.
[13:55] <tomreyn> basenode: if this still affects their current releases, you may wish to seek support from the developers / vendors of this software, using the support channels they provide.
[13:56] <basenode> tomreyn: ok, thanks
[13:57] <tomreyn> zetheroo: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/15567887/execute-shell-script-everytime-a-new-user-is-created
[13:57] <TJ-> zetheroo: yes, if using 'adduser' see its man-page. A script /usr/local/sbin/adduser.local can be used
[13:58] <zetheroo>  TJ-: is 'adduser' what is used when making a new user via the GUI?
[14:03] <leftyfb> zetheroo: How often are you adding a user to a desktop system that requires running a custom script every time where you can't use commandline to administer?
[14:07] <TJ-> zetheroo: I don't know; likely not
[14:41] <JohnnyL> How can I get the original configuration package files for apache2?
[14:41] <JohnnyL> like 000-default.conf
[14:44] <quadrathoch2> JohnnyL: I guess downloading the deb file and extracting the file
[14:45] <quadrathoch2> You can find the file through packages.ubuntu.com
[14:47] <JohnnyL> quadrathoch2: ok thanks.
[14:48] <quadrathoch2> JohnnyL: next time it’s easier to cp the file, so you got a backup 🙃
[14:49] <JohnnyL> quadrathoch2: yeah, it's one of the few times i didn't! :p
[14:50] <quadrathoch2> At least (hopefully) you learned to not forget it ^^ JohnnyL
[14:51] <JohnnyL> hm, internal server error for those files.
[14:52] <quadrathoch2> Oo, did you download the right version? JohnnyL
[14:56] <jStefan> Hello, is there an Ubuntu compile of the 5.9 kernel WITH all the Ubuntu patches? I'm currently using the 5.9.1 mainline kernel provided by ubuntu, which says doesn't include said patches.
[15:00] <JohnnyL> hm.
[15:01] <JohnnyL> i downloaded apache2-doc , the apache2.conf is there but not the 000-default.conf
[15:04] <EriC^^> JohnnyL: it says 'apache2' package provides it
[15:04] <EriC^^> (dpkg -S /etc/apache2/sites-available/000-default.conf)
[15:04] <tomreyn> jStefan: i think groovy's 5.8.x is the latest you can currently get in terms of readily built + patched ubuntu images. you may need to build it yourself.
[15:05] <tomreyn> focal also has a copy via linux-generic-hwe-20.04-edge
[15:06] <JohnnyL> EriC^^: wow, thank you.
[15:07] <JohnnyL> EriC^^: wait, what?
[15:09] <tomreyn> JohnnyL: what'S your question?
[15:10] <IniGit> hi, can somebody help me with a small bash script? I would like to find the drive with the file THIS_IS_THE_BACKUP_DRIVE.txt in it? Output should be for example /mnt/d. I cannout search by PARTUUID, because I'm using wsl
[15:10] <JohnnyL> tomreyn: what package has 000-default.conf in it?
[15:10] <IniGit> wsl throws an error for this line:
[15:10] <IniGit> BACKUPDIR="${find /mnt -type d -name "c" -prune -o -type f -name "THIS_IS_THE_BACKUP_DRIVE.txt" -print 2>/dev/null}"
[15:10] <IniGit> bad substitution...
[15:10] <tomreyn> JohnnyL: you seemed to have read what EriC^^ said?
[15:11] <EriC^^> IniGit: why dont you use the UUID to figure out if the fs is the one you want
[15:11] <EriC^^> UUID is like the unique ID a filesystem has
[15:13] <IniGit> EriC^^: I'm on windows using the wsl Ubuntu
[15:13] <EriC^^> (sudo blkid /dev/sdxY or lsblk -f /dev/sdxY)
[15:13] <tomreyn> JohnnyL: ...-doc packages usually contain upstream projects' documentation, not rarely also sample files. Ubuntu configuration failes are usually found in the non ...-docs ones.
[15:13] <IniGit> You cannot get the PARTUUID from there
[15:13] <EriC^^> IniGit: so? it doesnt have blkid or lsblk or....
[15:13] <IniGit> blkid, lsblk etc is not available
[15:13] <EriC^^> IniGit: what is available?
[15:13] <IniGit> EriC^^: AFAIK not
[15:14] <IniGit> lsblk: failed to access sysfs directory: /sys/dev/block: No such file or directory
[15:14] <IniGit> same for blkid
[15:14] <EriC^^> /dev/disk/by-uuid ?
[15:14] <IniGit> -bash: cd: /dev/disk/by-uuid: No such file or directory
[15:15] <tomreyn> ^ would need to migrate to wsl2
[15:15] <tomreyn> !wsl | IniGit
[15:16] <IniGit> ok, and when I do the update then those commands work?
[15:16] <JohnnyL> tomreyn: yeah, that shows me the destination file. Not the one in the package.
[15:16] <tomreyn> IniGit: i don't know for sure, but it's quite likely, since it's then a VM with a proper Linux kernel.
[15:16] <tomreyn> IniGit: "For discussion and support, see #ubuntu-on-windows or ##windows."
[15:17] <JohnnyL> okay. i found it, but only in the main package.
[15:17] <IniGit> Ok
[15:17] <IniGit> I'll try that, thx
[15:19] <JohnnyL> okay. I have it. Thanks guys.
[15:19] <IniGit> btw is it possible to create an image of a NTFS drive with Windows on it via the dd image tool of Disks (sry I don't know the exact name, Ihope you know what i mean) and restore it, or should I better use Clonzilla for that?
[15:21] <CarlFK> IniGit: both work.  I like using Clonezilla.
[15:23] <IniGit> CarlFK: Does the drive where I restore the image on have to have the same size?
[15:23] <CarlFK> IniGit: no.  but...
[15:23] <IniGit> CarlFK: I mean can it be bigger
[15:23] <compdoc> yes
[15:23] <quadrathoch2> IniGit: with dd you copy bit by bit, so you even copy the empty space, that’s why the transfer takes longer and is most of the time not recommended
[15:24] <IniGit> And should I store the image on ext or ntfs? Is it even possible to store it on ntfs?
[15:24] <IniGit> quadrathoch2: But the image created via dd is smaller then when I just dd right?
[15:24] <tomreyn> IniGit: for better recommendations, give us the greater picture, what are you try to do, and why.
[15:24] <CarlFK> IniGit:there are ways to shrink the fs.  and if you move to bigger, dd the whole drive will copy the smaller drivers partition table.  which won't know about the additional space
[15:25] <IniGit> tomreyn: Backup my windows system
[15:25] <tomreyn> IniGit: the full (bootable) system, in hopes it will be restorable?
[15:26] <IniGit> CarlFK: That means I'd not have all space available of the bigger drive?
[15:26] <IniGit> tomreyn: yes
[15:26] <tomreyn> IniGit: and you'd restore it to the same storages and computer, or different ones? i doubt the latter would work this way (without more changes).
[15:27] <CarlFK> IniGit: correct, but also no.  you can fix the partition table later.  but that's dangerous and you may trash everything
[15:27] <IniGit> tomreyn: To a new harddrive on the same computer
[15:28] <IniGit> CarlFK: And do you know is that also the case with clonezilla?
[15:28] <tomreyn> IniGit: i would suggest you check in ##windows whether that is going to work.
[15:29] <CarlFK> IniGit: clonezilla is basically all the disk utilites orgized with a menu that tries to make it easy for you to use
[15:30] <IniGit> CarlFK: I mean I can just try it and unplug the current harddrive and use the new one with a restored image for example
[15:30] <IniGit> But I'm worried that windwos does crazy stuff then
[15:30] <CarlFK> IniGit: I suspect you should read up on partition tables.  then, most of your questions here will fall into place
[15:30] <IniGit> Would not be the first time
[15:31] <IniGit> CarlFK: ok
[15:31] <CarlFK> IniGit: warning: partition table things have evolved over time.  because now there are disks much larger than originally expected.
[15:32] <CarlFK> IniGit: so you may see something like "mbr only works on drives upto some size"  which may not be true any more.  I've lost track :p
[15:33] <IniGit> ::)
[15:34] <tomreyn> also uefi, and efi system partition (which can be on a different storage)
[15:34] <IniGit> CarlFK: But generally if I dd to a drive of the exact same tpye and size, then I can switch back and forth theoretically right without windows doing crazy stuff like not booting or complaining about keys or something like that?
[15:35] <tomreyn> IniGit: you may have noticed this channel is called #ubuntu
[15:35] <IniGit> tomreyn: yeah, right I'm sry :/
[15:35] <tomreyn> just ask in ##windows for windows questions ;)
[15:36] <tomreyn> oh you did
[15:36] <CarlFK> windows is always doing crazy stuff regardless of what you do ;)
[15:42] <nax_> need some help with restoring win10 from ubuntu
[15:53] <Guillaume___> hi
[15:54] <Guillaume___> I have a little question. I have recently upgraded my ubuntu server to the last version (20.04) and since then, there's a black screen during 10 seconds before i see the verbose of the loading/startup, does it speaks to someone ? thanks !
[15:55] <shrini> try ESC
[15:55] <Guillaume___> gonna right now
[15:55] <shrini> and see whats going on
[15:55] <coolusername12> hey does anyone know what this error means? ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\_SB.PCI0.XHC.RHUB.HS02._UPC], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20190816/dswload2-326)
[15:56] <tomreyn> coolusername12: look for a bios upgrade
[15:57] <nax_> how do I add a kernel in grub?
[15:57] <coolusername12> why would my bios need upgrading?
[15:57] <coolusername12> also I'm just gonna say it, I'm fairly certain I'm rooted and no one is online in ##security
[15:58] <tomreyn> coolusername12: because it can be buggy, as this messages suggests. and new versions usually provide bug fixes.
[15:58] <coolusername12> ACPI BIOS Error (bug): Failure creating named object [\_SB.PCI0.XHC.RHUB.HS02._UPC], AE_ALREADY_EXISTS (20190816/dswload2-326)
[15:58] <coolusername12> sorry that one
[15:59] <coolusername12> ACPI Error: AE_ALREADY_EXISTS, During name lookup/catalog (20190816/psobject-220)
[15:59] <coolusername12> sorry last try
[16:00] <coolusername12> same answer right?
[16:00] <tomreyn> nax_: are you asking how to add a custom built (or third party provided) kernel, to the grub menu, as a bootable option?
[16:01] <tomreyn> coolusername12: probably.  journalctl -b | grep DMI:    will tell you which mainboard and bios version you have now
[16:01] <coolusername12> ok ##security updated me
[16:03] <tomreyn> coolusername12: it is very, very, very unlikely that there is any relation between these messages and "I'm fairly certain I'm rooted"
[16:03] <nax_> tomreyn, when I boot with unibootin
[16:03] <nax_> it says I need to add kernel first
[16:03] <Guillaume___> so i see the grub menu when i type escape, maybe there's a delay before it select the first entry, which is weird because i don't have any other entry except ubuntu advanced boot options, gonna check the grub
[16:03] <tomreyn> nax_: hmm, i don't know what "unibootin" is.
[16:04] <nax_> a bootloader recover
[16:04] <nax_> Ive tried em all
[16:04] <coolusername12> yea I know the odds I just think I'm special, someone on the internet has it out for me and hard
[16:07] <Deano59> tomreyn: think they mean "unetbootin" something like rufus but it's for ubuntu/linux.
[16:07] <Deano59> bootable usb's.
[16:07] <Deano59> but why they'd use that idk. it's so old now.
[16:14] <tomreyn> Deano59: thanks, i'm (somewhat) familiar with "unetbootin", but that's spelled differently and, as far as i can tell, not a bootloader recovery tool, but only nax_  would know what they're using.
[16:16] <Deano59> odd but important question, can firefox's cache be loaded to my RAM? I did look on Google but there all from 2010 or so.
[16:17] <lordcirth> I created a 20.04 LXC container using lxc-download, on an 18.04 host with HWE kernel. Getting this error on lxc-attach: relocation error: /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libnss_files.so.2: symbol __libc_readline_unlocked version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[16:18] <lordcirth> I see bug reports for docker that say updating docker fixes it; but I am using LXC
[16:19] <lordcirth> The host does have very high uptime, and I would like to reboot it, but that probably won't happen soon
[16:45] <TheRedRipper> should I upgrade to 20.04? i have 18.04 right now.
[16:46] <Deano59> TheRedRipper: why not upgrade? :)
[16:47] <Deano59> 20.04 is nice.
[16:47] <TheRedRipper> i have been told to skip 19.04 but i just found out 20.04 was released
[16:47] <Deano59> 19.04 is EOL, no?
[16:47] <TheRedRipper> ? end of life?
[16:47] <Deano59> upgrade to 20.04.1 :)
[16:47] <lordcirth> Ok, I was able to get a reboot after all, and it works!
[16:47] <TheRedRipper> cool
[16:48] <lordcirth> .1 being out is usually good enough for me
[16:49] <Deano59> TheRedRipper: or if you want the latest, 20.10 is also decent. :)
[16:49] <TheRedRipper> yeah i think i should upgrade to 20
[16:49] <TheRedRipper> alright here i go
[16:55] <mgedmin> woohoo 20.10 fixed the annoying pause I used to get in fullscreen youtube windows when alt-tabbing between chromium and gnome-terminal
[17:13] <hays> AWS claims that their AMIs are 'optimized' but even the Linux 2 AMI is super old Centos derivative
[17:13] <hays> is there any way to know how true that claim is compared to a recent Ubuntu LTS image
[17:14] <hays> like--its they are backporting patches into CentOS sure I could see its maybe better than running Centos. But Ubuntu has a much newer kernel
[17:18] <Deano59> off-topic... kinda; what's the official ubuntu forums?
[17:18] <tomreyn> hays: this may be more suitable in #ubuntu-server and ##aws
[17:19] <tomreyn> Deano59: forums.ubuntu.com redirecty to https://ubuntuforums.org/ - there is also https://community.ubuntu.com
[17:19] <tomreyn> *redirectS
[17:20] <dTal> ...shouldn't it be 'fora'
[17:20] <tomreyn> this probably makes a great topic on that forum
[17:22] <weretav1a> If a 'mv' command gets interrupted by something (on a single file), does the file stay in the original location or does it exist in two corrupted halves?
[17:24] <Deano59> thanks tomreyn :)
[17:28] <geosmile> apt update is stuck at: 100% [28 Contents-amd64 store 0 B]
[17:28] <geosmile> any ideas on how to fix this?
[17:29] <sarnold> weretav1a: it depends -- if you're moving a file within a single namespace, it should happen nearly instantly, and you should have only a single copy of it. you'll also have trouble actually interrupting it ..
[17:30] <sarnold> weretav1a: if you're moving a file across filesystem mount points, then it's implemented via a 'copy' loop followed by unlinking the source file -- if you kill -9 the mv, chances are good it hasn't issued the unlink() call yet
[17:30] <weretav1a> sarnold: in my case I am moving the file from a local disk to an NFS mount, mv would not respond to sigint?
[17:30] <sarnold> weretav1a: oh, ugh, because nfs :/
[17:30] <weretav1a> ok, actually not nfs, but glusterfs ;p I think it likely works similar tho.
[17:31] <tomreyn> geosmile: did your file system run full by chance? you can cancel using ctrl-c.
[17:32] <tomreyn> geosmile:   df -h   and   df -i   show how full a file system at a given mount point, or all file systems are.
[17:48] <b247_eu> hi, wondering about suspend-then-hibernate in #ubuntu, anyone tested if working? i'm using swap file (not partition) ...
[17:50] <mgedmin> doesn't hibernation need a swap partition specifically?
[17:53] <b247_eu> i quess yes ... because suspend-then-hibernate works but .... hibernate actually performs shutdown ... that's why asked the question if shall i use swap partition instead of swap file
[17:56] <mgedmin> there can be other reasons for that
[17:57] <mgedmin> e.g. if you upgrade your kernel, don't reboot, suspend to disk, then on resume it'll say "oh the kernel doesn't match the hibernation image" and will simply boot a fresh session
[17:57] <mgedmin> the message is hidden away discreetly somewhere in your dmesg/journalctl and is easy to miss
[17:58] <mgedmin> also, heh, if you hibernate to install more ram into your laptop, thinking you'll save some effort reopening all your running apps
[17:58] <mgedmin> on next boot it'll say the amount of physical memory doesn't match what was stored in the hibernation image and refuse to resume
[17:58] <mgedmin> ask me how I know
[18:02] <b247_eu> mqedmin so you say hibernation is not a deal on systemd ....
[18:07] <ax562> Just a random question.  Why does ubuntu get so much hate in the linux community?  I personally <3  ubuntu but I've noticed the shade thrown it's way.  Keep up the good work y'all!
[18:16] <Deano59> ax562: I <3 ubuntu too. would also like to know the same. a lot of hate for a very decent OS.
[18:17] <ax562> I honestly feel like it's the best "first" linux OS for a noob..but that's just my honest opinion.
[18:17] <ax562> 20.04 lts is amazing
[18:24] <mgedmin> fwiw all my hibernation adventures and disappointments happened long before systemd
[18:24] <mgedmin> ubuntu gets hate because of contempt culture basically: https://blog.aurynn.com/2015/12/16-contempt-culture
[18:26] <mgedmin> ubuntu wants to make things just work out of the box, and some people latch on to that trying to feel more elite by loudly disclaiming that they don't need these conveniences
[18:26] <mgedmin> although there's also some fallout from canonical's copyright assignment policies
[18:28] <ax562> mgedmin ty
[18:28] <tomreyn> that's probably a good topic for #ubuntu-discuss
[18:32] <threebar> trying to do-release-ugprade and it says "Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading." but i'm up to date. i'm on 20.04 ideas?
[18:33] <sarnold> threebar: try sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[18:33] <threebar> i did
[18:33] <threebar> i did it all from command line
[18:34] <sarnold> do you have both -updates and -security configured in your apt sources? I wonder if there are complaints if you only have one enabled
[18:35] <mgedmin> threebar: does the file /run/reboot-required exist?  e.g. if you'd upgraded to a newer kernel, you need to also reboot before you can start the upgrade
[18:35] <sarnold> ooooo
[18:35] <sarnold> good call
[18:36] <threebar> mgedmin, doesn't exist, but I just upgraded the kernel and rebooted before trying to update
[18:37] <mgedmin> weird
[18:37] <mgedmin> do-release-upgrade worked for me fine this morning
[18:38] <tomreyn> threebar: are there any warnings when you run     apt-get update && apt-get full-upgrade
[18:38] <pavlos> threebar: sudo apt dist-upgrade
[18:39] <tomreyn> that also works
[18:53] <threebar> Okay guys, I figured it out
[18:53] <threebar> I had a package that was held back
[18:54] <sarnold> \o/
[18:54] <threebar> Yep, I need to learn to read. Sorry, everyone!
[19:20] <EsperantistoLuiz> Hellow,Guys !
[20:12] <jguk> hi, im wondering if anyone can help me with installing ubuntu server in a dual boot system with manjaro?
[20:13] <Examknow> jguk: I can try
[20:13] <jguk> i appreciate that, ive got a couple of issues with it, first off the installer wont seem to connect to internet, it says that the autoconfiguration failed
[20:14] <Examknow> jguk: Is your machine using DHCP?
[20:14] <Examknow> How is it connected to the network?
[20:14] <jguk> wirelessly
[20:15] <Examknow> Like a wifi router?
[20:15] <jguk> yeah
[20:15] <Examknow> Are the other devices on the network connecting fine?
[20:15] <jguk> yup all fine
[20:16] <jguk> connect on manjaro fine
[20:16] <Examknow> jguk: Strange. What's the exact error message?
[20:16] <jguk> il get that for you
[20:17] <jguk> integrity check is all fine btw
[20:18] <jguk> it is a laptop if that helps at all
[20:18] <Examknow> meh
[20:18] <Examknow> I don't think that would cause any issues
[20:20] <jguk> i have a picture, any way to send that?
[20:20] <sarnold> imgur.com is pretty easy
[20:20] <Examknow> or ttm.sh is what I use
[20:20] <jguk> https://imgur.com/a/cMnC4vR
[20:21] <mgedmin> Examknow: looks like ubuntu detected only your wired ethernet adapter
[20:21] <luketheduke1> Anyone here have experience with ubuntu's snort package? I'm having trouble with configuring alerts with it
[20:21] <mgedmin> do you have a broadcom wifi chip in there or something like that?
[20:22] <mgedmin> (not that I think I'll be able to help much if you do)
[20:22] <mgedmin> do you have an ethernet cable handy?
[20:22] <jguk> im not sure, its a 7 year old laptop
[20:22] <jguk> and no i dont
[20:23] <mgedmin> the server installer gives you a shell on tty2, you can switch with ctrl+alt+f2 and run lspci so see what kind of wifi hardware you have
[20:23] <mgedmin> lspci -nn, probably; you need those XXXX:XXXX pci vendor/device identifiers to look up specific hardware drivers
[20:28] <jguk> https://imgur.com/a/vSVFeig
[20:28] <jguk> sorry for the delay
[20:35] <FreeBDSM> cntlm package is crapware
[20:35] <mgedmin> atheros! huh, I thought those were normally well-supported
[20:35] <FreeBDSM> crapware quality
[20:35] <FreeBDSM> requests get stuck
[20:36] <mgedmin> yeah, https://certification.ubuntu.com/catalog/component/168c:0032 is a 404 page
[20:37] <mgedmin> huh https://askubuntu.com/questions/514018/how-do-i-get-to-work-my-atheros-ar9485-wireless-card-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts
[20:37] <mgedmin> jguk: what does 'rfkill list' print?
[20:38] <jguk> cannot be found
[20:39] <mgedmin> huh
[20:39] <sarnold> I wouldn't be surprised if the server installer doesn't ship with wifi tools
[20:39] <jguk> the command could not be found but can be installed, but when i try to install it is unable to locate the package
[20:40] <jguk> if it is a driver issue perhaps i could fix it after the install orr?
[20:43] <mgedmin> do you have a hardware switch for airplane mode?  or a special function key?
[20:43] <mgedmin> try toggling that maybe
[20:44] <jguk> didnt work
[20:53] <jguk> mgedmin if its something i can fix after thats ok il fix it after
[20:53] <jguk>  i have another issue with the installer
[20:55] <jguk> when setting up partitions, i can set up the primary partition just fine but i cant select the device as the boot device or anything
[20:55] <jguk> i would not like to wipe the drive as manjaro is on it with some stuff i set up
[21:05] <jguk> anyone got any ideas to my issue?
[21:07] <mgedmin> I can't see your screen, and I've never installed ubuntu _server_ side-by-side with another os
[21:07] <mgedmin> I'm sure there's a way to do that, but I can't help you
[21:07] <sarnold> jguk: it's been ages since I've seen the server installer, but I'm pretty sure there was a way to pick which partitions you wanted to install into. but boot device is a funny thing, since there's usually one EFI partition that knows how to boot everything else on the system, no?
[21:08] <mgedmin> 7-year old laptop, does it even use UEFI?
[21:08] <jguk> mgedmin alrighty, thanks a lot for the help provided
[21:08] <Sven_vB> jguk, (shameless plug) in such cases the SuperGRUB disk can help: you can install Ubuntu without a bootloader, have the SGD boot it, and then install a boot loader later from the inside.
[21:09] <jguk> much info, how would i go about setting that up?
[21:10] <jguk> if i choose to reformat the device then i can make gpt partitions and i can set it as boot disk, but id rather not because of the data on it
[21:10] <Sven_vB> join #sgrup , follow the link in the topic, and if you need more help, ask there. :)
[21:10] <Sven_vB> err, #sgrub
[21:11] <jguk> thanks a lot il check it out
[21:12] <Sven_vB> usually gdisk can convert MBR disks to GPT, but make sure you have SGD first, in case your BIOS doesn't like to boot from GPT disks.
[21:12] <Sven_vB> (e.g. in some Thinkpads)
[21:49] <JPSman> So, youtube-dl has been removed from GitHub
[21:49] <JPSman> what does that mean for the youtube-dl repository in ubuntu?
[21:50] <oerheks1> JPSman, i think it will disappear
[21:50] <Sven_vB> oh wow, that's news to me
[21:50] <oerheks1> war on youtube-dl,..
[21:50] <JPSman> yeah, ive been trying to goto every corner of the web to spread the news
[21:50] <oerheks1> lets move this to #ubuntu-discuss
[21:50] <JPSman> k
[21:51] <random1> I am running ubuntu 20.04 and my battery wont go past 15%. Was wondering if there was a way I could run a diagnostic to see if the battery is dying. Its the only thing I can think of
[21:51] <random1> spread what news?
[21:51] <Sven_vB> where can I read about the reasons?
[21:51] <jpds> Sven_vB: Google
[21:53] <Sven_vB> I'm lucky I updated it just yesterday
[21:56] <Devrim> inb4 you youtube-dl development moves to TOR lol
[22:00] <random1> Trying to see about a battery diagnostics for Ubuntu 20.04. My battery has been stuck at 15% and not really to sure why. Any help? thank you in advance
[22:10] <random1> Hello ubuntu. Anyone able to guide me to why my battery stays at 15%? lol..
[22:10] <random1> My power statistics shows its at 100% capacity
[22:28] <Sbur3> I'm trying to upgrade to 20.10, but it doesn't work through update-manager.  And my display keeps shutting down and turning back on ....
[22:28] <random1> i got u
[22:29] <Sbur3> Any ideas as to how to bypass that
[22:29] <sarnold> Sbur3: check journalctl -f perhaps?
[22:29] <Sbur3> sarnold: In task manager or somewhere else?
[22:29] <random1> open up terminal. apt-get dist-upgrade
[22:30] <random1> that should work i think
[22:31] <random1> Sbur3 what version of ubuntu do u have ?
[22:32] <random1> ctrl alt t
[22:32] <random1> bring up terminal and then type in 'lsb_release -a'
[22:32] <Sbur3> random1: I just tried.  verbose comes back about libboost-atomic and libboost-system and getting rid of them and nothing about dist-upgrade
[22:32] <random1> tell me what you get when you type 'lsb_release -a' in terminal
[22:33] <Sbur3> ^random1: Ubuntu 20.04
[22:33] <Sbur3> lsb_release-a
[22:33] <random1> You have the most updated version of ubuntu.
[22:33] <random1> let me double check
[22:33] <random1> i got u either way
[22:33] <random1> 1 sec
[22:33] <random1> sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade
[22:33] <random1> type that in terminal
[22:33] <random1> few more steps after that
[22:34] <random1> then type 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[22:35] <random1> tell me what you get after you type that last command in
[22:35] <Sbur3> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[22:35] <Sbur3> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[22:35] <random1> did you type in 'sudo apt update'
[22:36] <random1> 'sudo apt upgrade'
[22:36] <Sbur3> random1: Yes. But what bothers me is that I ask for update-manager to upgrade and it gives me the button to push.  I push it and nothing else happens
[22:37] <random1> your trying to get a new distro on ubuntu right ?
[22:38] <Sbur3> random1: When I run update-manager, it says that I can upgrade to 20.10
[22:38] <random1> thats what i am going to show u
[22:38] <random1> did you type in sudo apt update
[22:39] <random1> 'sudo apt update'
[22:39] <random1> 'sudo apt upgrade'
[22:39] <random1> going to show you a way to do it via terminal
[22:40] <random1> then type in 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[22:40] <random1> then tell me what the output is
[22:40] <Sbur3> random1: Done that .... but in task manager, I see this "unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown--wait-for-signal"
[22:40] <Sbur3> random1: Is that significant?
[22:40] <random1> dont worry about it for right now
[22:40] <random1> just focus on the terminal
[22:41] <random1> did you type in the upgrade and update commands followed by the
[22:41] <random1> sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:41] <Sbur3> random1: Would it be wrong syntax to group all three commands in one with &&?
[22:42] <random1> i wouldnt do all 3. But you can do it with update and upgrade
[22:43] <random1> then do 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[22:43] <random1> let me know what output you get after typing in the 'sudo do-release-upgrade'
[22:43] <Sbur3> random1: From update && upgrade, I get this :
[22:44] <Sbur3> random1: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/7DmYd65Gfd/
[22:44] <random1> type in 'sudo apt-upgrade'
[22:44] <random1> see what it does
[22:44] <random1> try it by itself. see if it gives you same output
[22:44] <Sbur3> random1: command not found
[22:45] <tomreyn> random1: Sbur3 just wrote they have "unattended-upgrades/unattended-upgrade-shutdown--wait-for-signal" in their process list, so the system is going to shutdown soon - not a good condition to start a release upgrade in
[22:45] <random1> sudo apt upgrade
[22:45] <random1> tomreyn will show you what to do :)
[22:45] <random1> Hes trying to upgrade distro
[22:45] <sarnold> this feels like something a reboot would help
[22:45] <tomreyn> actually, sorry, i take this back, this is a common process
[22:45] <random1> sarnold: i was about to recommend that
[22:46] <tomreyn> or it can be common
[22:46] <random1> sbur3: try this now "sudo do-release-upgrade"
[22:46] <random1> tell me the output please
[22:46] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Been having some issues getting the computer to boot of late
[22:46] <Sbur3> random1: sudo do-release-upgrade
[22:46] <Sbur3> Checking for a new Ubuntu release
[22:46] <Sbur3> Please install all available updates for your release before upgrading.
[22:46] <tomreyn> Sbur3: any error messages you remember about booting?
[22:47] <tomreyn> Sbur3: better do a fresh reboot before you start the release upgrade
[22:47] <random1> sbur3: definitely try doing a reboot. then try typing that command in and let me know the output
[22:47] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I hear some of the familiar noises, but not all of them
[22:47] <Sbur3> brb
[22:49] <random1> hey tomreyn
[22:50] <tomreyn> random1: what's up?
[22:51] <random1> My battery stays at 15% and i ran 'power statistics'
[22:51] <random1> and it shows 100% capacity
[22:51] <random1> probably sure my batter is dying. But was wondering if u had any opinions on the matter
[22:52] <random1> refrubed labtop fml
[22:53] <tomreyn> if the battery is dying there's not a lot you can do other than replacing it. you can check the bios for a recalibration routine, but this will just improve the reading.
[22:53] <random1> good idea
[22:55] <random1> was thinking about freezing my battery lol
[22:55] <random1> heard its a hit and miss
[22:55] <random1> throw it in a plastic bag and put it in the freezer next to some frozen veggies
[22:56] <compdoc> wont help
[22:57] <random1> what about microwaving my battery then beating it with a hammer? lol jk. Yeah its pretty much done
[23:00] <compdoc> beating the microwave wont help either
[23:00] <Sbur3> No improvement.  When I look at task manager, still that weird process.  And I can't seem to kill it or terminate it or stop it
[23:00] <RadSurfer> is there any way to properly load in a text file containing Ansi and expanding the commands, say in Vim or some editor that can interpret Ansi?
[23:01] <Sbur3> I sometimes wonder if someone's playing with my computer
[23:01] <tomreyn> Sbur3: it's probably fine to have this process then
[23:02] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Any ideas as to how to get the upgrade that is out there?
[23:02] <tomreyn> Sbur3: can you show    apt update && apt -sy full-uograde     on the pastebin?
[23:02] <tomreyn> Sbur3: can you show    apt update && apt -sy full-upgrade     on the pastebin?
[23:02] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I'll be right back with that
[23:02] <tomreyn> ^ typo fixed
[23:03] <random1> Alright
[23:04] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/8SmskRZjgV/
[23:04] <BalooRJ> anyone know if there is an equivalent of regionset for bluray drives?
[23:05] <BalooRJ> I have a blu-ray optical drive in my PC running Pop OS and wanted to know if regionset worked for the blu-ray portion of it
[23:05] <BalooRJ> I had to use regionset to set the DVD part to Region 1, but now testing with a blu ray it seems that the region needs to be set on the blu ray portion of the optical drive as well
[23:05] <tomreyn> Sbur3: apt --purge autoremove && apt policy libboost-thread-dev
[23:05] <RadSurfer> Is there something called 'ansifilter' for ubuntu?
[23:06] <Sbur3> tomreyn: As sudo, I imagine
[23:06] <leftyfb> !popos | BalooRJ
[23:06] <tomreyn> Sbur3: yes, please, the former
[23:06] <BalooRJ> leftyfb, ah understood. Though really I am just looking for a package that would be in the Ubuntu 20.04 repos.
[23:08] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/2JcpxcSkXB/
[23:09] <tomreyn> Sbur3: apt --purge -y autoremove && apt full-upgrade
[23:09] <tomreyn> both with sudo
[23:09] <quidnunc> Does anyone know how to setup xrdp? I can't get it working and don't see much in the logs
[23:10] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bbGkmY432R/
[23:11] <tomreyn> Sbur3: do you have any apt related GUIs running?
[23:12] <tomreyn> Sbur3: if not, what does this report?    sudo lsof /var/lib/dpkg/lock-frontend
[23:13] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Not that I'm aware of. But I put "sudo" in both parts of the last command before and after the && and got another verbose
[23:13] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/pmvPmt2MBZ/
[23:13] <tomreyn> Sbur3: oh that calrifies it, sorry
[23:13] <tomreyn> *clarifies
[23:14] <tomreyn> Sbur3: it's not clear why this package is being held back, though. do you have apt preferences (pinning) set?
[23:14] <tomreyn> ls /etc/apt/preferences.d/
[23:14] <jadax> hi, using ubnt 18.04. After connecting FTDI USB cable, I get no activity under minicom. But if I unplug FTDI USB and plug back again, then it works, any ideas what's wrong?
[23:15] <Sbur3> tomreyn: To your lsof command, I got this ... https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/bRxGF8xy4q/
[23:15] <jadax> modem/network manager getting in the way, perhaps?
[23:15] <tomreyn> Sbur3: thats fine, thank
[23:16] <Sbur3> tomreyn: And no verbose from the ls command
[23:16] <tomreyn> jadax: you're referring to Sbur3? if so, where did you see those mentioned, modem/network manager (what am i missing?)?
[23:16] <tomreyn> Sbur3: you mean no output?
[23:16] <tomreyn> Sbur3: ls /etc/apt/preferences    also, does this exist?
[23:17] <jadax> tomreyn nope, i'm just asking about FTDI USB serial
[23:17] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Nothing typed on the terminal in response to the command ls except for the command line prompt
[23:17] <tomreyn> jadax: oh, sorr,y i missed this first line where oyu asked
[23:18] <tomreyn> Sbur3: sudo apt -y install apt-forktracer && sudo apt-forktracer 2>&1 | nc termbin.com 9999
[23:19] <tomreyn> this is to get a better picture of why thiere is this pending installation, and your apt package management systems' state
[23:20] <RadSurfer> CAN SOMEONE tell me please : is there a way to save to a file the scrollback buffer from terminal?
[23:20] <Sbur3> tomreyn: https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/sbmB3N8BHG/
[23:21] <tomreyn> Sbur3: https://termbin.com/oy77 is the output of apt-forktracer
[23:21] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I'm sure it is. But I have no clue what that means for me
[23:21] <tomreyn> Sbur3: packages without [ brackets ] on the same line are leftovers, for which no apt repository is configured
[23:22] <tomreyn> Sbur3: they will just get in the way. either purge them, or find an apt repository providing these very packages so they have an upgrade path. but for a release upgrade, it'd be safer to remove them.
[23:23] <fructose> RadSurfer: The script command might be what you want
[23:23] <Sbur3> tomreyn: So that crap is what is preventing me from upgrading?
[23:23] <RadSurfer> What script command?
[23:23] <fructose> man script
[23:23] <tomreyn> Sbur3: that is well possible. i would not recommend upgrading a system in this state
[23:24] <EriC^^> RadSurfer: are you speaking for the future or you want the stuff that's already on the scrollback right now?
[23:24] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Is there a simple command or some kind of magic thing to do this?  And brackets aren't ( ) but rather [ ] ?
[23:25] <tomreyn> Sbur3: at least some of these packages seem to be leftovers from when you ran ubuntu 19.04, and ubuntu 19.10.
[23:25] <tomreyn> right, lines without [ ... ] mean no apt source is configured
[23:26] <Sbur3> ¨tomreyn: I keep running "autoclean" and "autoremove" regularly
[23:27] <tomreyn> Sbur3: this won't help if you have packages in this state
[23:29] <tomreyn> Sbur3: this is just for testing, it doesn't make changes:   sudo apt-forktracer | grep -vF '[' | cut -d ' ' -f1 | xargs apt -sy purge
[23:29] <ChetManly> can the ubuntu partitioner partition macos (macbook air) or is it better to use the macos partitioner?
[23:29] <ChetManly> first
[23:29] <Sbur3> tomreyn: So I should purge almost the entire list except the maybe 4 things that have [] as opposed to those don't?
[23:32] <tomreyn> Sbur3: tightly spoken, PPAs and third party packages and even community maintained packages are not supported (i.e. any packages not from main or restricted, for your current Ubuntu release)
[23:33] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Ok, so here's the next set of information https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/GnksSXdF32/
[23:33] <tomreyn> Sbur3: but there is a good chance you can get away with keeping those two or three packages, for which you still have an apt repository configured, installed
[23:33] <tomreyn> Sbur3: you missed a blank space there in the "cut" command
[23:34] <tomreyn> just edit it and run it again
[23:35] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I added a blank space too many or I was missing one?
[23:35] <tomreyn> Sbur3: missing one
[23:35] <tomreyn> sudo apt-forktracer | grep -vF '[' | cut -d ' ' -f1 | xargs sudo apt -sy purge     # is correct
[23:36] <tomreyn> sudo apt-forktracer | grep -vF '[' | cut -d '' -f1 | xargs sudo apt -sy purge     # is what you wrote
[23:36] <ChetManly> holy shit is lsblk ever more easy to mix up when you dont have persistent mount points
[23:37] <Sbur3> tomreyn: This should be better : https://pastebin.ubuntu.com/p/w8rZSy6Pfy/
[23:38] <tomreyn> Sbur3: okay, this should be more readable, hopefully:   sudo apt-forktracer | grep -vF '[' | cut -d '' -f1 | xargs sudo apt -syV --autoremove purge
[23:41] <tomreyn> Sbur3: have a look at the list of packages in the section "The following packages will be REMOVED:", see if you're ok with removing them as well as all of their configuration files off /etc, and any data (stored outside your home directory), too
[23:41] <tomreyn> e.g. for a database server this could mean loosing databases, for a webserver it would mean loosing all virtualhost configuration files
[23:43] <Sbur3> tomreyn: It seems to have done its business. I can try to upgrade now?
[23:44] <tomreyn> Sbur3: it hasn't, unless you removed the -s option to apt
[23:45] <tomreyn> note also the "NOTE: This is only a simulation!" at the beginngin of the output
[23:45] <tomreyn> to proceed, if you're happy with purging allthese packages and their data, remove the -y option passed into apt, and run again
[23:46] <Sbur3> tomreyn: So what you are saying is that I remove the -s ... just the -s or all -syV and it will do the dirty work of cleaning up and I can upgrade?
[23:46] <tomreyn> just the 's'
[23:47] <tomreyn> so make it
[23:47] <Sbur3> tomreyn: So I keep the yV and it will happen?
[23:47] <tomreyn> sudo apt-forktracer | grep -vF '[' | cut -d '' -f1 | xargs sudo apt -yV --autoremove
[23:47] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Will this crash the system and make me lose everything?
[23:48] <tomreyn> Sbur3: hopefully, not. but then i cannot speak for the quality of non ubuntu packages
[23:49] <Sbur3> tomreyn: Too late to hesitate ... it's in the process of doing its job
[23:50] <tomreyn> Sbur3: running     sudo apt-forktracer     again  after that will show you what's left
[23:50] <tomreyn> should be these: manuskript google-chrome-stable nordvpn nordvpn-release secureboot-db lynis
[23:51] <tomreyn> secureboot-db is actually an ubuntu package, but the version you have installed is from focal-proposed, an apt repository you do not have configured at this time.
[23:53] <Sbur3> tomreyn: I think I'll need to reboot before I check to see what is left and if it worked ... brb?
[23:54] <tomreyn> no :)